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yet again, you keep digging

One major difference between a country with systems and a country that is broken are the laws...

You mentioning race etc instead of having some form of accountability for your actions is funny and sad at the same time

Look in the mirror sometimes....

ehizario2012:
The conductors definitely must have had an option to use their descretion and accept cash, maybe an unwritten rule among them... But it's but it's by discretion. If there was no room for flexibility, those white conductors would have booked me. Take it ore leave it. There are laws, there are traditions.

1 bottle of whatever your fav drink is ....

Thanks for the truth....

ReesheesuKnack:
Whether Edo man. Lagos man. Or Sheffield man.
You were wrong.

You even implied that the ticket inspector stuck to the rules because he was BLACK.
And you even went on to insinuate that if it was somewhere else, you would have physically assaulted the inspector, for doing their lawful job.

Bro. You were wrong. Plain & simple.

You always amaze me

Someone freely told a story, started and finished the story... and is being corrected so he can learn from his mistakes

You reply stating you don't think he has finished the entire story..... you want him to add Jara??

lol.. amazing stuff..


I'm sure if the race was switched and it was the white conductor giving him the penalty charge, it would have been "the white conductor is racist"

Goke7:
before we pass judgment on him, I don't think he has finished the entire story

a working system with consequences for actions taken

Zahra29:
What stopped you?

if some of us talk now, na "oppressed mindset" or "because you have settled status" that they will reply with....

"he definitely came in as a migrant" is funny .. ..

ReesheesuKnack:
Imagine….. na you break law, na you still wan come claim say black conductor do wrong.
You are in the wrong.

Look at this

https://www.channelstv.com/2023/12/07/zamfara-govt-recovers-50-stolen-vehicles/


and then look at these

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nwest/600587-education-infant-mortality-poverty-worsened-in-zamfara-under-matawalle.html

https://myschoolnews.ng/zsubeb-chairman-laments-over-rising-number-of-out-of-school-children-in-zamfara


and the screenshot



He is now Minister of State of Defence


This is just 1 state out of the many

You see why Nigeria can never be great..

kwakudtraveller:
The country na just serious cruise 😂😂

like heroshark stated, he doesn't seem to read to understand or doesn't take his time to read to understand..

where and how did anyone here say anything mean or condescending??

Someone said people here on settled status are saying this and that.. . I don't have settled status.. i paid all the IHS Visa fees last year.. i'm also affected.. but that won't stop me from being logical and speaking the truth..

Countries will continue to review migration policies from time to time after analysing the necessary data and how it impacts their previous policies.. and they have the right to..

Adapt and plan around it.. Planning can be fighting the policy, Accommodating and adjusting, Looking for a new Japa country etc..

At no point has someone ever condescended on anyone in the past 72hours we've been discussing...

How you keep going on and on about a country that has official visa data from year end Dec 2022, June 2023 and Sept 2023 and it all shows positive trend and increase all across board beats me....

Visa approvals as high as 95% on a Year-to-Year basis and you still go on and on about this and that.. on a topic that can be measured

Wthhhhhhhh!!!!

kwakudtraveller:
I don’t think the poster said anything mean nor condescending towards new immigrants. They spoke from an angle of understanding of the new policy and not in agreement per se….. which is similar to what others here have been echoing. Your constant demand for when he will move out of the country just dey come off like say you get am for mind abi he write another thing wey we no see?

blesssssss youuuuuuuuuu

Nigeria that immigrants account for less than 1% of the total population lol

Deepest level of hypocrisy

A lot of things you're pushing for can't happen in your home country..

Someone was called a bastard and can't run for governor just because his maternal side was from the East.. even though his paternal clan is one of the most popular Lagos clans ever

The level of tolerance and tribalism within the same people is alarming in your home country and you're going on and on about how another country should run their policies..

I really don't understand if and why people don't look in the mirror...

Emotions will keep you running in circles.. you will never be objective

Goodenoch:
How you feel about your home country has everything to with the UK - in particular, how people view immigration and respond to it.

If in your own country there are impossibly high barriers for immigrants to come in and work or access public services, all while still paying taxes and various fees and you have never advocated for that to change, but you go to another person's country and you are casting their policies that are much more liberal despite being made more restrictive recently as inhumane, then it's hypocrisy.

Would you and your people back home tolerate the same numbers that you are saying are insignificant here? Not just from other countries o - even inter state and inter-region, do we not see even more stringent restrictions on 'foreigners' trying to get certain jobs/public offices? If you know all these but act shocked that Brits are being the same, then, again, it's hypocrisy.

You say they aren't doing us immigrants a favour, and I agree. But it's also on this thread that many (including you if I recall correctly) essentially said immigrants are doing the UK a favour and that the economy would collapse, and that 'what does the average brit even contribute?' So now that they are saying they don't want to do business again, why the lamentations?

i remember someone here told us about the taxi drop off services for her kids and she was asking if it was public funds..

I also know one, he was my airport pickup cab and told me he runs the school run for council.. and he even told me how much he is paid.. sweet money ooo.. i just cant remember

ehizario2012:
I've never heard of this taxi drop off and pick up before, it's quite surprising.

i no bother respond again.... no need.... lets stay on vibes!!!!

kwakudtraveller:
Lol na why I give up to dey answer am. I said "an argument" was lazy as he was narrowing the argument to us being oppressed but he interpreted it as me saying that all his arguments are lazy and he must agree with me. It just showed me that he was attaching emotions to a simple critical banter from opposing ends so I just gave up. It’s like saying just because we are immigrants then we must all agree on the same views especially when our country is no better.

Bless youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Thanks for this....... **hugs**

iyatrustee:
Honestly, Goke needs to address issues from a logical point of view and not out of emotions.

He makes some good points, but has a way of twisting people's words in a sinister way.

Every side to this discussion have raised valid points. But while others present theirs objectively, he is subjective in his opinion.

That's the default response... when there is no data or stats to back it up

emotional outburst and using oppressed mindset as the response

i expected this yesterday..

Almost 48hours, and no data ..... i even went ahead to provide different forms of data but the counter argument was to leverage on Hear say, Daddy freeze, vibes and emotions as reference.

The data showed a major increase in visas granted across board etc..

If the data from UK gov supported the claims that UK isn't immigration-friendly, the same people referencing beer parlor gists would have embraced it..

One can keep migrating to new countries and still complain and complain because there is no perfect setting anywhere

A lot of the countries used in the immigration laws comparison are larger in size than the entire UK.. and so can never have same opportunities..

USA is 40x larger than the UK..

Over 10 states in the States are larger than the UK..

Australia is over 30x larger than the UK..

Ticha gave us a detailed account of how Australia is...

Some babes did videos about how to get an appointment at the hospital took them over 3months in Canada

If you want to believe beer parlor gists and vibes, then thats on you...

kwakudtraveller:
This is a lazy way to address an argument. I’ve noticed that you always narrow every counter argument to us having an oppressed mindset. I’m curious to know what you have done outside of this forum to address this new policy or previous immigration policies. After all I started a petition which most of the people who complain here everyday refused to sign.

bless youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!

triplo3:
How can you claim no one is doing anyone a favour when the immigration numbers demonstrates people are coming in droves? If it was a 50/50 business deal like you say, shouldn’t direction be in both ways or fairly stable. I don’t just mean from Naija (India, China, Pakistan etc. are on the list). The truth is people will move from areas of economic hardship to areas with more opportunities…just like Osmosis. When you come and you start paying tax in the new system, were you not paying tax in the previous location? What did you get in return? If it’s not a fair deal, people would stop coming and enjoy their extra “money”.

That said, I think immigration should be sustainable, otherwise we overload the system and we get the same “unworkable” system some of us were running away from. When last have you visited a GP or house-hunted? There’s no doubt in my mind this “tiny-Island” is under a lot of pressure and it needs to be released somehow. I don’t like the uncertainty of the immigration laws (they should be fairly stable so people can plan and not be stranded), but how many countries are viable alternatives? [/b]Maybe Canada, Australia, USA…be things May even be changing in these countries as well. In terms of voting or making a change, not sure the immigrant vote/lobby is significant enough to move the needle.

Las las, everyone go Dey alright.

How I wish we could get our acts right as a country, doesn’t even have to be el dorado, just back to 2015 economic outlook and the influx from Nigerians won’t be as bad. [b]God punish APC for forcing middle class Nigerians to flee their country!

there is no table shaking bro

He brought news of PSW being extended last year as a response to last night's news from the PM of Australia stating they want to revise immigration laws.....

The PM yesterday said they're going to reduce immigration nos and there will be a student crackdown in migration overhaul

Isn't it clear that they're going to change policies they currently have?

So how's bringing up 2022 news a response to last night's news?

Hopefully they don't cut down the PSW

Poanan:
table shaker

in life... there are situations we can't control.. scenarios we can't control..

That's life...

LionInZion:
I quite agree with you that every responsible govt would prioritise its citizens interest over others.

That said, at bolded - this idea of 'keep shot or fvck off' that I've seen expressed here over and over isnt the best. There are several points I disagree with both for and against the new policy but it's not in my place to ask people to stop complaining and adapt.

If everyone holds that view, all asylum seekers would have been shipped off to Rwanda without anyone challenging the policy in court; several migrants would have been deported at POE for minute reasons without any immigration lawyer fighting for them.

I work in this industry and I have first hand experience of how this policy has rattled up so many people especially British citizens with foreign spouses. So it'll be unfair to ask people not to "rant" about it if they feel aggrieved. We react to issues differently and if your own way is to adapt and move on, someone else's might be to 'cry' about it, and each is within their right. And if you think the complaints here is too much, just pay a visit to Reddit.🙂

mention what?

i brought links for everyone to read as i saw it... you're the one trying to start an agenda

I'm bringing news from last night and you're bringing up news of last year as a response .....

hustla:
Mention everything naw

Didnt they revise the PSW to 5 years recently too or its agenda you want to agend

are they revising their immigration policies? Yes or No?

Yet again, you need to understand you're comparing countries (US and Australia) that are the top5 largest in land mass to the UK.. the jobs and opportunities will never ever be the same..

US accounts for 6% of the world's land mass

Australia accounts for 5% of the world's land mass

UK accounts for less than 0.5% of the world's land mass yet is just 1% behind US in % of immigrants to total population

Like someone said, this isn't a moral issue.. it is a matter of economic numbers

hustla:
Also mention that they increased their post study visa to 5 years, allowed students to work unlimited hours and their application fee for PSW is considerably lower than that of the UK while at it

It isn't just the UK revising immigration policies

The Prime Minister of one of the largest core Anglosphere countries, Australia has said migration policies will be reviewed in the interest of Australians etc.

This was just last night..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/09/anthony-albanese-announces-plan-to-reduce-immigration-levels-following-covid-influx

https://www.news.com.au/national/pm-albanese-warns-of-student-crackdown-ahead-of-migration-overhaul/news-story/876b3f8e57b78eb1071b71cd4533babd

Like i stated, Countries will do what they seem best in the interest of their citizens and that's fair/fine.... either you cry and cry about it Or you adapt and plan around it

that's why i had to remind him i have only a Nigerian passport.. i'm also affected as an immigrant..

Goodenoch:
I tell you.

And also the absurd guilt-tripping talking about "except you're not an immigrant".

So because I'm an immigrant I should close my eyes to economic and political reality and keep holding other people and their country to a standard that nobody; not even citizens; holds my own country to? Lol

that's why i stopped replying tbh..

not a single stat brought..just talk talk and hear say

No developed country was built on hear say and talk talk....that's why you have economic patterns and trends

You can't vibe your way to success or progress.. it has to be measured with defined OKRs

Have a great weekend everyone

Goodenoch:
One amusing thing about you is how you always accuse people of being emotional but it's your response that never contain any facts or statistics, and instead are heavy on hearsay and random gossip.

Someone has shared official stats to show you work visas have hugely increased. You're still insisting not many visas are given.

Now I've outlined the very high barriers to foreigners working in Nigeria, you're bringing in random name-calling. How is that relevant? The point is that all countries are protectionist about their local workforce - even ones that aren't as globally desirable, so why are you acting shocked that the most desirable ones are putting similar restrictions in place?

In fact the UK's restrictions are substantially less than Nigeria's, so the key question is why are you constantly attacking the UK as if they are doing something unheard of?

https://aviationmetric.com/foreign-airlines-at-breaking-point-over-792million-stuck-funds-expansion-threatened-may-cease-operations-to-nigeria/

sad stuff... they can't get their money..

but i already shared the % of immigrants to population and it is just 1% behind the world's largest economy... 15% to 14%... soooooo

Goke7:
so you think for a country with 5th largest economy in the world, this is much? Jesus, 22,000 decisions on sponsorship licenses, My God!

tbh.. it is disappointing.. very disappointing

kwakudtraveller:
Lol at this point, it’s getting quite silly.

like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you should go do research when the government body that gives the visa has shown you data.. lol

Mehnnnn.. i don't understand again

kwakudtraveller:
You mentioned visa stats and I showed you the stats and now you are asking me to go and do my own practical research? What figures were you referring to in your initial comment about visas granted? I would like to see those numbers as you can’t use hear say and non existent data as a benchmark for your argument.

How won't it tell the story bro??

You're arguing with stats from uk gov

Not hear say stats.. official stats?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/summary-of-latest-statistics

We should go by hear say? or daddy freeze? or vibes ? or beer parlor gist??

C'mon .. lets be logical

Resurgent2016:
These numbers do not tell the story.

-Go to any job website, apply to 50 companies on the sponsorship list.

-Pick the lower end of the salary scale, just to be sure you are not outpricing yourself and you are potentially offering them cost savings

-Insist on visa sponsorship as a condition to joining.

Let us know how many offers you get or even second interviews.

Exclude medical, NHS, big accounting or other firms where the culture is different for various reasons.

Come back and tell us the stats.

On point!!!!!!

we can list out so many countries .. from the most welcoming to the least welcoming like Japan which is extreme

kwakudtraveller:
Didn’t Nigerians ask Ghanaians to leave at some point? No one truly likes foreigners, go to Switzerland and see how those ones lift up their noses at their fellow white immigrants. This thing is everywhere and it’s not unique to the UK. After all, SA dey show Nigerians pepper.

exactly, you're making my point.. every country has it's own immigration policies to control the numbers that come in, etc..

Quit acting like the UK is this or that..

hustla:
If you lose your sponsored job in the UK, does the same not apply?

lol you must counter with something...

community goals here covers beyond our personal lives..

I'm Nigerian.. that's my only passport.. i paid all the visa and IHS revised fees.. i'm also affected.. so i don't understand what you mean by not caught in crossfire, others can get lost..

Goke7:
that's the issue with our unique community, it's all down to our personal lives, [b]for as long you are not caught in that crossfire, others can get lost. [/b]God help us all

That's the spirit bro... leave all the hear say and talk.. make we hustle achieve our personal/family/financial/community goals.. and strive irrespective of the government changes we can't control

It is friday.... lets enjoy the weekend

Poanan:
Not sure abt 60days Bro. Someone wrote something about it here. There was a way U.S went about it. Agreed that u.s has higher cost of living but 200k dollars no matter the cost of living that is good money o. But again we will make out something by the Grace of God.

emotional? i'm bringing data and someone is using hear say and Daddy freeze as reference.. but i'm the one being emotional?

lmaoooo

Goke7:
the person you quoted gave valid points that you and some others here fail to see, the UK is more hostile to professionals and it's what it is. All those who lost their jobs in the companies you mentioned were a global thing as the companies also laid off here in the Uk or you think folks are not losing jobs here in the Uk too? But you know what the US created a pathway for those folks to remain and gave them a chance to stay longer than the so-called 60 days to find another job, something the UK will never do. Let's not be emotional, the Uk is more hostile than it's Western allies to immigrants.

then tell that to those who started the conversation of comparing to other english speaking western nations

I only reacted to someone saying UK isn't immigration-friendly

Also, you can't compare the average income of USA with the UK...

The cost of living is higher in the States than UK, and people are one sickness away from being financially bankrupt.. because of the healthcare ish we all know

The same way you say people are hooked on HCA jobs is the same way in America, we've seen people who have lived and paid tax in the States for a while have to either find a job in 60days or leave the country when they lose their jobs..

It happened earlier this year and end of last year when Meta, Twitter, Amazon, etc laid off their staff and immigrant workers with H-1B (skilled worker) had 60 days to find another or leave.

They openly sourced for new jobs on twitter and linkedin because they know 60days clock was ticking

Every country has its' own unique policies and systems in place for immigrants.. The struggle is real .. lets keep our heads high and be hopeful

Poanan:
My emphasis was on many Nigerians are hooked on HCA jobs. This is what most dependants do and this has been received to be "low quality" by some people in govt. However, no one talks about how difficult it is to get into the formal sectors. Someone i know who finished last year in the U.S already has a job of 200k. His mates in the U.k are counting time in one care home. Before getting that job his first job was in Amazon which he got while still in school, the same thing happeend to the sister of a friend same U.S.
My classmate attended Oxford and already had his CFA, baba stayed for a while before getting a job. May be a year or also. If it was in the U.S that would have been different. I am not saying UK shouldnt put their citizens first but making a direct comparison with the U.s is some what different. We have being told here that it is easier to get UK visa than the U.S visa but that doesn't translate to been migrant friendly. I am not saying they are hostile though.

i'm tired ...

We must think Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in the States are just there to play around..

Your last statement.... On point !!!!!!!

toughest007:
Are you actually disputing his data with hearsay and quoting daddy freezer?! His data and percentage are quite clear, nothing confusing there.

The ability to live freely when one becomes an overstayer or an illegal immigrant in a country is not a yardstick to measure or compare a country's migrant friendliness.