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Even in advance democracy, the national security supersedes the rule of law.
Under which rule of law was Osama Bin Laden Murdered?
CIA published names of assumed terrorists and place bounty on their head to get them dead or alive without referring to any rule of law.
Under which rule of law were Guatanamo (and several others) inmates incarcerated?
Obama campaigned that he was going to close down Guatanamo bay but was treated with the reality by the service chiefs when he assumed office.
Under which rule of law did Mossad (Israeli secret forces) and CIA etc carry out several extrajudicial killings? Killing nuclear scientist, assumed terrorists, political leaders etc.
Under which rule of law did Western nations use in causing unrest and usurping powers in other nations?
Not every issue of national import can be discuss in the court room and that's why every nation have their CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
There are still 20th century informations that are still classified in the US.
It takes more than being a Mr Nice Guy to rule a nation.
I know it'll be very hard to draw the middle line between supremacy of the national interest and dictatorship, that's the reason why we need to elect a president with good antecedents that we can trust with several clandestine decision.

Even in advance democracy, the national security supersedes the rule of law.
Under which rule of law was Osama Bin Laden Murdered?
CIA published names of assumed terrorists and place bounty on their head to get them dead or alive without referring to any rule of law.
Under which rule of law were Guatanamo (and several others) inmates incarcerated?
Obama campaigned that he was going to close down Guatanamo bay but was treated with the reality by the service chiefs when he assumed office.
Under which rule of law did Mossad (Israeli secret forces) and CIA etc carry out several extrajudicial killings? Killing nuclear scientist, assumed terrorists, political leaders etc.
Under which rule of law did Western nations use in causing unrest and usurping powers in other nations?
Not every issue of national import can be discuss in the court room and that's why every nation have their CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
There are still 20th century informations that are still classified in the US.
It takes more than being a Mr Nice Guy to rule a nation.
I know it'll be very hard to draw the middle line between supremacy of the national interest and dictatorship, that's the reason why we need to elect a president with good antecedents that we can trust with several clandestine decision.

Aquariann:
Na wa o. It must be hard being Igbo. The victim mentality, crybabies complex, and general aversion (for lack of a better word) towards Yorubas is beginning to call for concern.

These people need help. It's not inborn but rather due to what I'll like to refer to as an acute dose of social conditioning that begins when they were just babies, running throughout their childhood and adolescence, and eventually goes on their entire life.

Carried out by their parents, teachers, leaders and local media, through the repetition of the same simple messages thousands of times over long periods until their mind gives in and absorbs them, they're trained to have certain beliefs, behaviors, desires and emotional reactions to (National) issues generally.

Examples.

1. When the civil war is being discussed, you must blame Awolowo and Yoruba

2. Lagos is no man's land and was covered with water, we developed it. (This was what my 11/12 years old classmate told me in Jss1 in FGCV during documentation when the teacher in charge of our class asked our states and I stood up to say Lagos. Mind you, the only thing I knew then were the states and capitals, their governors and a few ministers. She already knew Lagos was no mans land and had to make a comment that I was wrong to say I'm from Lagos).

Spot on bro. It amazes me how my igbo friends who doesn't know Jack about national politics assumes proffersorial status in issues relating to the civil war and mundane ethnic bigotry even at a tender age.
You hear them say silly words like Lagos is no man's land, Yoruba's are dirty, Yoruba's are traitors, Yorubas are diabolical, Yoruba are cowards, Igbos are superior to other ethnic nationalities, and all forms of ethnic stereotypes even at s tender age.
it makes me disturb and wonder who programmed this kids for this level of hate and bigotry. It's as if there is a HATE curriculum being circulated and taught by this people to their young ones.

Aquariann:
Na wa o. It must be hard being Igbo. The victim mentality, crybabies complex, and general aversion (for lack of a better word) towards Yorubas is beginning to call for concern.

These people need help. It's not inborn but rather due to what I'll like to refer to as an acute dose of social conditioning that begins when they were just babies, running throughout their childhood and adolescence, and eventually goes on their entire life.

Carried out by their parents, teachers, leaders and local media, through the repetition of the same simple messages thousands of times over long periods until their mind gives in and absorbs them, they're trained to have certain beliefs, behaviors, desires and emotional reactions to (National) issues generally.

Examples.

1. When the civil war is being discussed, you must blame Awolowo and Yoruba

2. Lagos is no man's land and was covered with water, we developed it. (This was what my 11/12 years old classmate told me in Jss1 in FGCV during documentation when the teacher in charge of our class asked our states and I stood up to say Lagos. Mind you, the only thing I knew then were the states and capitals, their governors and a few ministers. She already knew Lagos was no mans land and had to make a comment that I was wrong to say I'm from Lagos).

Spot on bro. It amazes me how my igbo friends who doesn't know Jack about national politics assumes proffersorial status in issues relating to the civil war and mundane ethnic bigotry even at a tender age.
You hear them say silly words like Lagos is no man's land, Yoruba's are dirty, Yoruba's are traitors, Yorubas are diabolical, Yoruba are cowards, Igbos are superior to other ethnic nationalities, and all forms of ethnic stereotypes even at s tender age.
it makes me disturb and wonder who programmed this kids for this level of hate and bigotry. It's as if there is a HATE curriculum being circulated and taught by this people.

Cry cry babies on the beat again, with their kwashiorkoish entitlement mentality, chest beating borne out of inferiority complex.

LaudableXX:
Egbon, no mind am. I just dey take corner eye look im face...I no wan talk, yet. E be like say one babe just give am marching orders...

One love my brother

deomelo:
When he ignorantly lied and tried to derail the thread from the topic to garbage and who will clean up the water creek, I not only showed him facts, I did so with a picture of the waterways authority clean the waterways with modern waterways cleaning machinery.


You might want to read the thread, l think you have not

I get. But you know it kinda harsh replying your guy that way for having a different opinion to yours. You're meant to educate him politely, but your first approach was offensive which made him defensive.
Ore wa ni guy yen. Anyway you be my person. Osun tokan tokan.

deomelo:
I don't apologize because of the people's silly arguments and ignorant comments.

There's nothing polite about spewing lies, twisting facts and argument just to display the usual pointless hatred and bitterness. That's what ipobs do, they derail threads with irrelevant nonsense and blind arguments.



Btw, another good trait of omoluab is standing up for what's right and just

You counter lies with fact and not abuses.
I just got to know the other side of you. Have a nice day

deomelo:
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Stop babbling ignorant and irrelevant nonsense.


The topic is about waterways HQ, not boats. Go to five cowrie creeks in front of the HQ, you will see boats going up and won the waterways and not inside the new HQ.


How lame and childish can you people be with your silly and pointless rants.

Deomelo wetting dey do you this afternoon, you just dey para for everybody, even LaudableXX wey be your person.

He asked a salient question and you're expected to answer him politely. You be Omoluabi and not a potopotarian carrying hate all around.

Apologize to LaudableXX asap. Ire o

emmie14:
This lengthy empty words must come from that west side who stock on human parts.
Bishop what is repentance? PDP might not be the best but statistically they are better than APC current government.

Arc Bishop what is RESTITUTION?

iammo:
. I know he was ganged up by the new APC saints people like oshiomole and fashola. but he could have deployed all necessary tools to get them in line. even if he had to involve the media. its the same media the apc guys are now using to make it seem like he spent all the money we could have saved

There wasn't any gang up, the governors noticed that the sovereign wealth account keeps reducing monthly at FEC meetings with no tangible reason for the reduction, that's why the governor's (who are ~70% PDP) asked that their own share of the money be giving to them.
Also what happened to the over 50% share of the FG?
Simple answer: it went through the several gates (Dasuki, Oduah, Dokpesi etc)

Mr Obi, i agreed that the states collected their shares (which is less than 50% of the total), what happened to the almost 60% share of the FG. It went through Dasuki, Oduah gate and all the other several gates abi? GEJ will be remembered for being a weak and corruption supporting leader.

My problem with him was that he himself no too chop o, na the goats wey him carry full body chop the yam pass.

You are leveraging on Ojukwu, who himself was unable to win ordinary senatorial seat.

I hope they "dash" our eastern bothers some awards this time, before they start their Marginalization cry.

On a more serious note, Patoranky's HEAL D WORLD is my best song of the Decade. That's song is on a class of its own. If that song doesn't win the song of the year, then I'll join my eastern cry cry babies in wailing.

naijapips04:
Smart dude but not so smart. As at 2012, BBC was evaluating based on a worthless dollar. Nigeria just as the rest of the world was still in depression as at 2012.

Check the chart below. Dollar as at 2012 was about 40% less what it is in 2018.

Lol, dude you're bringing unrelated variables into the equation. You keep changing narratives like a chameleon.
The argument is Dollar to Naira centered, now no matter the devaluation of the dollar, it value relative to the naira is 1$ to ~N400 (@ the moment). That's why FX rate is dynamic, when their is devaluation of the dollar, the naira appreciate against it (cetri paribus) and vice versa.

What do you need the presidency of the Zoo under a Yoruba/ Fulani terrorists party for?

I thought you guys are not interested in who becomes the president of the zoo?

Did you just realised that APC will win 2019 presidential election?

How can your cheap threat and empty chest beating earn you the presidency?

This guys are clowns... lol

Shukuakukobambi:
I see what you did here bro. Walahi I see am. You have finished my guy's argument.

na my man but I don't know why he always falls his own hands. That's how he goofed with the funding for Lagos ibadan rail yesterday and deomelo washed him with the floor. I wish he can learn to choose his battles wisely

Most of this guys argues out of ignorance and hate. He's a nice guy though, unlike Ipob miscreants on NL that can't engage in intellectual discuss. He kept his cool throughout. Thumbs up .

vedaxcool:
Mistakes remains an issues when people politicizes problems of today. As long as there exist individuals who intend to decisive the public about how Nigeria ended up in its current state then we will continue to point them to out journey to NOW. I suggest rather than complain about this thread you focus on correcting those who have made Nigeria's failure their ultimate goal in life. We will continue to educate the public about the harmful intentions of manipulators of truth.

It's our civic responsibility to Educate this petty traders with little understanding of Economics.
If we don't do it, who will. That's why we are patriots.

naijapips04:
Let's assume Breadsellers are accepting dollar notes.

Whereas $1 would get me a loaf of sliced bread that's sold at N120, in 2012, I'd need $3 to get this same bread in 2018.

Good Example. Now N120 x 3 = N360. You'll need 360naira (< 1$ in 2018 which is approx. N400 and not 3$ {(3xN400) = N1200.}

naijapips04:
In 2012 $1 = N120
in 2018 $1 = N400.

So N120 in 2012 is as valuable as N400 in 2018. No?

Yes. The value of any currency is embedded in its Fx strength.

naijapips04:
I'm talking in terms of value not figures. In real value, $1 in 2012 is just as valuable as a $3 in 2018.

Sorry the answer is ABSOLUTELY NO. 1$=160# in 2012 will give you the same value of 1$=~400 in 2018.

NB: I thought your question was 1$-1$.

naijapips04:
$1 in 2012 would get you same thing that $3 would get you today. No?

Absolutely NO. You're the one that brought about the FX dichotomy which led to your 1$-3$ gaffe.

naijapips04:
$1 in 2012 would get you same thing that $3 would get you today. No?

No

naijapips04:
Idiots $1 in 1914 is not same as $1 in 2018. Go and argue with your ancestors.

Stop arguing blindly bro, the devaluation of the naira further strengthens the dollar. So 1$ in 2012 is an equivalent of 35-40 cent to the naira.
35 cent is equivalent to 160# now.
Your arguments of 1$-3$ will only be reasonable if Naira appreciate against the dollar and not the reverse.

This is what happens when a region exalt money above morals. When illicit wealth qualifies you for the highest cheiftancy title in the land.
I hope elders of this region do something ASAP to stop this impending - self impose genocide.

CSTR1005:
There is a reason why Guantanamo is not on US soil.
There is a reason why Guantanamo is not for US citizens.

It contravenes the constitution protecting the right of Americans.

If you trust buhari enough to surrender your freedom to him, kindly make exceptions for millions of us that have zero trust in him or his motives.

So the rule of law only applies to US citizens on US soil? lol. Haven't you heard that everyone is equal before the law ( the fundamental tenet of the rule of law) or it's only US citizens that enjoys fundamental Human Rights and who tells you that their are no US terrorist in Guantanamo? Do you even know that Osama Bin Laden was a US citizen?
Why not provide answers to the other questions?
come up with more weighty arguments, and stop this petty/bias argument

Whether you support Buhari, Atiku or even yourself for president, the fact remain that the National Security will always be superior to the rule of law.

When it come to development, this govt is head and shoulder better than the previous govt combine.

Even in advance democracy, the national security supersedes the rule of law.
Under which rule of law was Osama Bin Laden Murdered?
CIA published names of assumed terrorists and place bounty on their head to get them dead or alive without referring to any rule of law.

Under which rule of law were Guatanamo (and several others) inmates incarcerated?
Obama campaigned that he was going to close down Guatanamo bay but was treated with the reality by the service chiefs when he assumed office.

Under which rule of law did Mossad (Israeli secret forces) and CIA etc carry out several extrajudicial killings? Killing nuclear scientist, assumed terrorists, political leaders etc.
Under which rule of law did Western nations use in causing unrest and usurping powers in other nations?

Not every issue of national import can be discuss in the court room and that's why every nation have their CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
There are still 20th century informations that are still classified in the US.

It takes more than being a Mr Nice Guy to rule a nation.
I know it'll be very hard to draw the middle line between supremacy of the national interest and dictatorship, that's the reason why we need to elect a president with good antecedents that we can trust with several clandestine decision.

It's high time foreign nations started distinguishing this people for who they're. A single tribe with low morals and dignity can't keep tarnishing the image of the generality of Nigeria.

trillville:
The highlighted statement you made above is highly deceptive. It is true that our debt to GDP ratio is low relatively to other countries but our governments revenues (ability to pay debts) to GDP is also one of the lowest on earth. Our tax to GDP ratio is 6 percent.(Bill Gates spoke about increasing this by raising taxes to fund education and healthcare).

Back to the matter.

Nigeria has a very low tax rate so government lacks the ability to raise revenues to pay it's debts.

Nigeria also has the highest number of extremely poor people and the 5th highest percentage of people living in extreme poverty on earth.
Interestingly, only 14 countries have populations that are increasingly getting poorer, 3 of which are OPEC members( Nigeria, Angola and Venezuela). One would wonder how countries without crude oil are getting their people out of extreme poverty.

Facts gotten from www.worldpovertyclock.org

Agreed, but revenue generation is not our "major" problem but the corruption in our revenue generating institutions, ever wonder how JAMB remmited 7.8billion revenue in a year, whereas 50m was remmited before in over 5years, same with FIRS, NIMASA, CUSTOMS, NNPC, NCC etc. If we should block the loopholes siphoning our common patrimony we'll be fine.
Also this govt has increased tax on some items and increased the tax basket. I know more can still be done but increasing the income tax of Nigerians still struggling with recession and poverty will be insensitive.

The solution to all the menace plaguing our nation is diversification of our economy and only fiscal restructuring will catalyse such process, as this will take the feeding bottles off the mouth of our greedy politicians and make them put on their thinking caps to explore other revenue generating frontiers aside oil.
Lastly, where we're today is the cumulative results on our actions and Inactions, so placing all the blame on buhari's table will be unjust. As a matter of fact I still maintain that he has so far "RELATIVELY" done better than the previous govt.

djon78:
In Nigeria, Africa’s largest economy, the current state of affairs, of a growing public debt profile is scary, particularly since 2015 when the Muhammadu Buhari administration came into power. According to the Debt Management Office (DMO), Nigeria’s total debt has increased by about 90% in almost three years from about N12.6 trillion in December 2015 to about N22.71 trillion as at March 2018. The DMO figure indicates that total public debt prior to the 2018 budget stood at about N21.17 trillion. With the N1.95 trillion budget deficit of the 2018 budget and the $475 million loan agreement recently signed with the French government, following the recent visit of the French President, Emmanuel Macron, total debt will stand at about N23.645 trillion with debt service likely to increase beyond the N2 trillion provision in the budget.

Called from Guardian Newspaper
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/guardian.ng/opinion/halt-nigerias-rising-debt-profile/amp

From after Obasanjo paid off our debt 2006 till 2015. Nigeria's debt was 12.6trillion but this present regime has increased the debt over 90percent.

Well as for Peter Obi we judge based on records not a clime where incompetent and very clueless people are in control of things. No wonder Nigeria keeps on running around in circles. And this is the man they want to bring back in 2019.

Now you're arguing constructively with facts not the beer parlour arguments you were doing before.
From what you quoted above, if you consider the average exchange rate between 2006-2015 (about 180#/1$) with the avg exchange rate between 2015-2018 (about 400#/1$), I.e simply put, compare the value of 100naira in 2006 to 2018. you'll realize that buhari is still more prudent compared to GEJ. Despite crude selling at record price and production at it peak, GEJ had no business borrowing that much, instead he should have added to the foreign reserves. GEJ depleted the reserve OBJ left behind, despite the fact that OBJ cleared our debt when crude was selling for less than 80$/barrel.
Okonjo Iweala was borrowing to pay salaries as at January 2015 despite overseeing a boom in oil prices less than a year ago, they saved nothing.

I don't support either of pdp or Apc, but Buhari's regime is still better than that of previous govt.
FACT.

djon78:
Totally falsehood.
This regime incured more debt than Gejs regime.
You are now quoting soludo abi?
Peter Obi has better economic record than even soludo. Soludo is more of a theorist while Peter has practicalised it and got results. Even till today Anambra is still on solid economic seating. Privately Peter has achieved greatly.

What business has Buhari ran before?

I provided you with facts and figures, why not counter any of my claims with your own facts and figures? Or is vanguard newspaper which I quoted also peddling falsehood?
My problem with you guys is that you choose to believe what you want to believe even when facts are staring you at the face, your fuel is sheer HATE.

Regarding Peter Obi, you can believe he his a better Economist than Soludo, but the rest of the world believe otherwise.