₦airaland Forum

blackaxe78:
Let me enlighten you if you dont know. Some states have agricultural land mass which is cheaply leased to farmers. Ogun, Osun and Oyo have such. Please do your findings and get back to me. An acre goes for as low as 50k. So is my point now justified if such exist?


To buttress my point, Lagos state has a fish farm people buy into in Epe

I hope you wont shift goal post now

blackaxe78:
You still mot making a point. Is it on daily basis? "Frozen" you called it and not fresh. I would have welcomed it if you said Fresh fish is transported from Lagos to Bayelsa. You talking of a product people mostly demand fresh and mostly will reject a second day product.

Lets imagine cattles are transported monthly to every region, wouldnt still their be a designated ranch they will be before facing the abbattior?

Moreover, Where is this done in any part of the world? If I am to list the advantages of ranching to you, you wont be able to come up with 3 meaningful disadvantages of ranching

blackaxe78:
Hear yourself! Do you think you making sense. The Tomatoes and products from the North you consuming today did not get to Lagos today, Like wise the beef.

Please reason and make logical points. Moving Cattles to the South on daily basis..... smh You should be sacked from your work place if you reason at this level. You couldnt even proffer a sensible solution.

Cattles leaving Sokoto to Bayelsa on daily basis... Chai!

blackaxe78:
And how do the products get to other parts of the country on daily basis. Please think and proffer logical solutions. There are more cows than human in New Zealand and its well with them. Stop using hate to hinder your thinking and progressiveness

blackaxe78:
Its disappointing that at this age, "Our land" mentality still thrives among lots. If you objecting to ranching, Do you have a better solution that could be beneficial to all?

No one is taking away your land, clauses might be introduced in the agreement that gives the state to revoke the lease or sale. Lets try to think forward please and remove ethno-religious sentiments.

Ranching is the way to go. If you have something better, Please share.

IbnAbdullah1:
I on't know why people won't set emotions aside and say the truth for what it is even on a sunday(the holy day of some people) goes to show the people who are spreading hate speech in the name of christianizing Nigeria are bunch of unrepentant liars.
If nobody was killed don't start saying people were killed to stir up hatred and provoke people into killing,but slowpokes like SalmanRushdie ( Like I will say, rush die) won't allow the truth to come out because people like him crave attention even if it is to the detriment of others, all he cares about is his love for praise and likes by some simpletons on nairaland who can't distinguish between when somebody is blabbing and when the same person saying something reasonable.

It does not suit a man that he openly lie against his sworn enemy and still claim he is right when the facts says otherwise,except such person is a devil.

Quality20:
v good of daily trust. CAN ,PDP n xtians are just too bent on bringing down ds country so long as buhari and Muslims are ruling d country.
They sponsor killings so as tarnish d image of d administration before d world and electorates b4 d 2019 general elections

IgboBasthard:
Astrology and metaphysics are not supernatural powers! Especially in the 'juju' context where this conversation started. Na wash!

IgboBasthard:
This same Yankee? USA? I lIved in Van nuys California for years ....never heard this nonsense. Oga the only supernatural powers talked about here are ghosts, sightings and inter terrestrial images....Nothing more.
And you are mostly talking 'dem-say' jare

IgboBasthard:
Exactly, the foolish mindset that made Nigeria a fertile ground for dubious and swindling pastors, criminal politicians to hold sway.

The joke is on you. Supernatural ko supersonic ni. Dadandidi.

Empiree:
Mr. Governor does have the right to reject the idea. It is his prerogative. But you gotta brace for high cost of rams, cows and other livestocks when the need be. And you have no right to condemn herders for open grazing anywhere in the country.


Really, it doesn't have to be fulani only that do this herds business. Why can't Yoruba leaders encourage their people to be self reliant and create their own ranches?. Remember, even if you don't sell the land to federal govt but you want herders to buy the land themselves, you will suffer worst consequences, bcus the moment you sell the lands to them, you relinquish your rights of ownership. There should be reserved lands in every state for this.

Enough said now

IgboBasthard:
Ok, myths no dey develop country sha.

IgboBasthard:
Alaye, I am more Yoruba than you BUT I have never seen these supernatural powers you are talking about.

As an omo Odua to kan to kan, I think they are just myths!

All rubbish.

Empiree:
That's it. You guys want no peace. What's religion has to do with this issue?.
Maybe you should explain why only people who ran into a mosque in one of the affected villages were spared at the pleading of an Imam while all the churches were burnt and all it inhabitants massacred?
One thing about liberal Muslims like you ( I suppose you're one) is the living in perpetual denial that there is no Violent sect of Islam. I've lived in the north, I've witness crisis and only diplomatic fools will tell you any crisis in the north are not "mostly" religiously motivated.
It's very easy for you to say this from your save abode in the SW because you've not witness people killing while shouting allahu Akbar. You can't tell me what I've experienced, people coming back from Jumat prayers vandalizing and killing so called Kafirs. Ask Yorubas/non Hausa Fulanis and even honest Hausa fulanis in the north irrespective of their religion affiliation and they'll tell you the same thing. #Fact.

Ranch, cow grazing is for the benefit of all just like agriculture. Also note that, this kind of hullabalou is not exclusive to Nigeria actually. In the USA, farmers too do have disagreements.

Disagreements is inevitable in any human interactions but resorting to violence and shedding of blood is the height of inhumanity.
BTW bringing USA into the picture is sheer ignorance, USA is a federating units with each unit (state) having its unique laws and policies. So the question of USA acquiring lands for Cattle breeders is practically impossible. Cattle breeders in Idaho, Omaha, Nebraska etc. do it as a private business entity. You can prove me wrong by showing prove to any state acquired/constructed ranch in the US.

If ranches are only in the north, cows and ram price will continue to skyrocket due to many obstacles fulani people have to go through all the way from North to transport livestock down south and East.

Lame!!! I guess they also need farm settlements in the south so that the prizes of food items won't skyrocket. Benue indegenes too deserves farm reserves in all the states because they are the food basket of the nation.
You talk as if Fulanis give Nigerians Cows for free, why should I give you accolades for goods and services I'm paying for.

Empiree:
there is no need to argue. You have already made up your mind to call all of them murderers as if SW/East are free or are not guilty of this too?. It is a waste of time talking to you. Nigerians generally are more rascists than White people.

ivandragon:
ranching is certainly the way forward.


I think the issue is the way & manner the FG is going about it. the impression seems to be that the ranches are for the Fulani's only & I doubt this... the FG needs to clarify that aspect.


furthermore, in most northern states, some businesses are not allowed to operate or are severely restricted... such as sale of alcohol, piggery. so if the northerners put restriction on some southern businesses, restricting the northerners (in terms of FG funded ranching) can be seen as retaliatory in a way.


the key things are:

1. further discussions between the affected parties... also clarify if the ranches are government owned or private;

2. a clear statement from the herders that they would cease all hostilities & be ready to pay compensations for farm lands destroyed in the interim before the ranches are established;


3. clear cut guidelines on the modalities through which the FG will assist the herders acquire the land, taxes to be paid, operational modalities etc;


4. the immediate withdrawal from lands presently occupied by the herders through violence;


5. FG should stop acting as a mouth piece for the herders...



those who say the FG built irrigation dams, airports etc for businesses have a point, but those facilities belong to the government & not the private businesses making use of the facilities...

to stop the killings, reason must prevail on all sides...

Ovamboland:
See those who think they are good people but in reality bigots avoiding this thread like plague.

Government gives subsidy to farmers to buy fertilizer, nobody shouted it's Private business and government should stay off.

At huge cost the government builds dams at many river basins to irrigate farms.

They train farmers usually free of charge to adopt modern methods.

They sometimes provide free seedlings and encourage farmers to adopt it for increased yeild.

Many governments buy tractors and attachments to be rented by farmers.

But why is it such a bad thing to establish ranching reserves?

Why is it wrong to train herdsmen to stop nomadic life and embrace ranching?

Will it be a bad thing to buy milking machine for rent to herdsmen to improve our dairy Industry and reduce milk import?

Will it be a bad thing to have fat healthy cows instead of the lean diseased types common today?



When the opposition was in power their last government released 100 billion naira to all 36 states to establish ranches. Due to the corrupt hallmark and incompetence no state used the money for the purpose. Now they claim to be champions by opposing a solution they themselves proposed and paid for, only weak minds take them serious.

The truth is obvious, the opposition don't truly want the farmers/herdsmen clashes to stop, they want to obstruct any solution and hopefully ride on the blood flow and associated anger back into office. Very wicked people.

Empiree:
you guys want no peace at all. You make no sense. Having ranch reserves is modern way. Fulanis are proposing modernity or modern dimension to cow rearing. And you are the same people who condemn fulani should you see them rear cows in the streets. Talk about hypocrisy.

GavelSlam:
Afenifere should realise this is a situation which nobody would win.

To think we can wish away this situation is naive.

Whether Buhari is in power or not this problem would persist.

The longer it lingers the more lives would be lost.

Ziggylady:
Have they heard from yoruba muslims before making such pronouncements??...cos last time i checked,yorumuslims call Afenifere 'PDP' stooges

Lot13:
The daft evil seems to be docile cos of some unimaginable crime they have committed against the Nigerian people.

If only the number of people killed by the actions or inactions of the PDP government is visible for all to see, I'm sure you will see the evil genius as a lesser evil.

I still believe the looters of our common wealth who wants to come back to power at whatever it takes have a hand in these killings with the sole motive of making Nigeria ungovernable for this president and his team.

It's only a matter of time before the truth and those behind these dastardly acts are revealed.