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OLAADEGBU: I hear you that you say that you accept Jesus as Lord or a Lord just as you have changed the fact that the Word was a god instead of God. Now tell me, is Jesus Christ your saviour according to these verses?

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isaiah 43:10-11).

"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me" (Hosea 13:4).

nlMediator: Why are you so obsessed with the topic of hell? If nobody is going to hell, why bother them with this deluge of information? It's like saying everybody would pass an exam whether they study or not. And then, every day you keep on reminding them of it. What sense does that make? Perhaps, you don't really believe in what you're preaching.

frosbel: Just be careful so that you do not run out of credit , or they do not disconnect your phone, i am here 24/7 'world without end '.

ifeness: Not knowing your yourself are a false teacher. Teach people how to think and not what to think. Jesus my foot!

ijawkid: Yes I am.....and frosbel isn't ......

Pygru: [b]What JW's believe, but won't initially tell people when they knock on doors and ask if they think the world would be better off without war, suffering, sickness and child abuse:

1. If you become a JW and then leave them because of their false teachings, you will be literally shunned. You family that remain in the organization will not be permitted to even talk to you!

2. The Watchtower Society is the only source of truth on earth today and your soul will be destroyed if you refuse their organization.

3. The Watchtower Society and its followers are all prophets of God today and the Governing Body is directed by angels from God.

4. The Watchtower and Awake magazines originate with and are treated as equal to the Bible.

5. They deny the that God consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

6. They deny the deity of Christ (Arian view) Jesus is a created being also called Michael the archangel, and was the first and only direct creation of God.

7. Jesus was not the Christ (Messiah) until age 30, even though their own bible says in Luke 2:11, "because there was born to you today a savior, who is Christ the Lord."

8. They deny the bodily resurrection. After Jesus was buried in the tomb, Jehovah dissolved his body into gases and it disappeared forever.

9. Jesus rose invisibly in three days, so Jehovah had to "materialize" a fake body forhim complete with fake nail prints so His disciples would believe it was really Jesus risen.

10. They deny the personality of the Holy Spirit(viewed by the Watchtower organization as "God's active force", similar to radio waves)

11. They deny man consciously survives death.

12. They teach the eternal punishment of the lost is annihilation.

13. They deny the bodily, visible return of Christ (Christ's "return" was only His"turning his attention" invisibly toward earth in 1914, and there was an invisible"rapture" of the dead members of the 144,000 in 1918.)

14. The cross is a pagan symbol of sex worship, and that all buildings or persons displaying the cross are likewise pagan. Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus died on a cross but a stake. However, recent"new light" in the Watchtower now admits they are not certain about the cross, but will continue to deny it anyway. Further, the watchtower originally claimed it was across.

15. No one goes to heaven but 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses.

16. They teach Christ is the mediator for only the 144,000,
not the average Jw.

17. Teach only the 144,000 must be "born again", not the average Jw.

18. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob etc. were to be back on earth as perfect humans in 1925. The Society built a palatial home called"Beth Sarim" for them BUT when the patriarchs failed to show up, the Presidentof the Society moved in.

19. Their light gets "brighter and brighter", allowing for many changes and "about faces" on their doctrines. Yesterday's erroris today's "truth". Often the "light" bounces back and forth from old to new views and back again! (Might we call this discarded truth... "black Light"?)

20. Blood transfusions are rejected and if a Witness receives one willingly, it results in his eternal death. However, the society allows Hemopheliacs to consume blood for medical purposes to save their lives.
21. To salute the flag is an act of idolatry.

22. Participation in any civil holidays, mothers day, birthdays brings condemnation of God.

23. Only persons who use the true name of God, Jehovah, will have their prayers heardby God. No salvation is possible without using the name "Jehovah."
[/b]

They deny the personality of the holy spirit Just to rubbish the Trinity.
How can you say the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar
If the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...
Why dem call am God ( Acts 5:3-5 )?
Acts 5:3-5
New International Version (NIV)
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn’t it belong to you before it wassold? And after it was sold, wasn’t themoney at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.
How him take be teacher ( John 14:26)?
King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you
How you fit Blasphame am ( Matt. 12:31, 32 )?
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version (KJV)
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall beforgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world tocome
Comforter ( Acts9:31 )?
Acts 9:31
King James Version (KJV)
31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee andSamaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
How come he fit Talk ( Acts 28:25 )?
Acts 28:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after thatPaul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers
How come you fit resist am ( Acts 7:51)?
Acts 7:51
King James Version (KJV)
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye
How can a force be grieved ( Eph. 4:30)?
Ephesians 4:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption
How he fit help Us when we weak ( Rom. 8:26 )?
Romans 8:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth ourinfirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for uswith groanings which cannot be uttered.
If you still insist that He is a Force, then how is He able to exhibit those Xteristics?
Does a Force speak, teach and comfort
How can a Force be blasphamed

Pygru: [b]What JW's believe, but won't initially tell people when they knock on doors and ask if they think the world would be better off without war, suffering, sickness and child abuse:

1. If you become a JW and then leave them because of their false teachings, you will be literally shunned. You family that remain in the organization will not be permitted to even talk to you!

2. The Watchtower Society is the only source of truth on earth today and your soul will be destroyed if you refuse their organization.

3. The Watchtower Society and its followers are all prophets of God today and the Governing Body is directed by angels from God.

4. The Watchtower and Awake magazines originate with and are treated as equal to the Bible.

5. They deny the that God consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

6. They deny the deity of Christ (Arian view) Jesus is a created being also called Michael the archangel, and was the first and only direct creation of God.

7. Jesus was not the Christ (Messiah) until age 30, even though their own bible says in Luke 2:11, "because there was born to you today a savior, who is Christ the Lord."

8. They deny the bodily resurrection. After Jesus was buried in the tomb, Jehovah dissolved his body into gases and it disappeared forever.

9. Jesus rose invisibly in three days, so Jehovah had to "materialize" a fake body forhim complete with fake nail prints so His disciples would believe it was really Jesus risen.

10. They deny the personality of the Holy Spirit(viewed by the Watchtower organization as "God's active force", similar to radio waves)

11. They deny man consciously survives death.

12. They teach the eternal punishment of the lost is annihilation.

13. They deny the bodily, visible return of Christ (Christ's "return" was only His"turning his attention" invisibly toward earth in 1914, and there was an invisible"rapture" of the dead members of the 144,000 in 1918.)

14. The cross is a pagan symbol of sex worship, and that all buildings or persons displaying the cross are likewise pagan. Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus died on a cross but a stake. However, recent"new light" in the Watchtower now admits they are not certain about the cross, but will continue to deny it anyway. Further, the watchtower originally claimed it was across.

15. No one goes to heaven but 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses.

16. They teach Christ is the mediator for only the 144,000,
not the average Jw.

17. Teach only the 144,000 must be "born again", not the average Jw.

18. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob etc. were to be back on earth as perfect humans in 1925. The Society built a palatial home called"Beth Sarim" for them BUT when the patriarchs failed to show up, the Presidentof the Society moved in.

19. Their light gets "brighter and brighter", allowing for many changes and "about faces" on their doctrines. Yesterday's erroris today's "truth". Often the "light" bounces back and forth from old to new views and back again! (Might we call this discarded truth... "black Light"?)

20. Blood transfusions are rejected and if a Witness receives one willingly, it results in his eternal death. However, the society allows Hemopheliacs to consume blood for medical purposes to save their life.

21. To salute the flag is an act of idolatry.

22. Participation in any civil holidays, mothers day, birthdays brings condemnation of God.

23. Only persons who use the true name of God, Jehovah, will have their prayers heardby God. No salvation is possible without using the name "Jehovah."[/b]

frosbel: ^^^^

I do not consider myself to be a teacher , though my Son once asked me to be one , because of the logical, clear and simplistic method I used during family bible expositions.

All I had believed for most of my life were commandments, creeds and dogmas of MEN and their institutions, I regarded people like Adeboye, Kumuiyi as on a different planet and infallible , my churches deeperlife and Apostolic faith were it, they could do no wrong , all other believers and churches were suspect, even, not true believers.

When I tasted the freedom from MEN and their churches, wow, it was like , Joy, Joy to study the bible for myself with God's wisdom, apply logic and reasoning to the word of GOD and examine all that I ever was taught. No more tradition with their tons of dos and donts, what to eat or not eat, what to wear , where to go , what to believe etc.

Back to your point, I share all my discoveries, revelations and knowledge here for all and sundry to discuss, review and conclude , but this is not done in the office of a teacher, rather as a layman and a very small fry in a big pot of Christian 'fish'.

JeSoul: Funny comments on this thread

Ever since I was able to comprehend James 3:1, I have been terrified of being a "teacher" of the Word. May all those who strive to be teachers/preachers of the Word solemnly & cautiously & prayerfully - with the right amount of trembling as well - consider this verse:

James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."

If that doesn't just scare you into thinking carefully before you post (teach), then you need to check yourself!

Ubenedictus: E b like say this thread don die natural death.
*Yawn*

The nature of his mental indolence is understandable. In
this attempt to pull President Jonathan down at all costs,
lies have become standard stuff, mischief a major
commodity, and indecency a character flaw

Pygru: Beware of Frosbel, Ijawkid, Truthislight & Seriallink
I like their anti Rcc stance, but most of their teachings are laced with false doctrines

Beware Of Goshen360 and Okeyxyz ;they said premarital se.x btw two consenting adults (Fornication in my Bible) is not a sin.

Also Beware of the catholic crew led by Italo and assisted by chukwudi44, ubenedictus, striktlymi etc