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Iranian cleric says Muslim unity will obliterate Israel

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Ayatollah Seyyed Ahmad Khatami delivers Tehran’s Friday Prayers sermons on August 17, 2012.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:0PM GMT

Tehran’s interim Friday Prayers Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ahmad Khatami says once unity is achieved in the Muslim world, the Zionist regime will disappear from the face of the world.

Ayatollah Khatami referred to the wave of the Islamic Awakening in the region, noting that the new development attests to the Muslim world’s might and potentials.

“In a period of one year of the Islamic Awakening, people entered the scene and brought down four dictators,” he underlined.


Tehran’s interim Friday Prayers Leader also stated that the Zionists only understand the language of force, adding that during more than 60 years since the occupation of Palestine, only people’s movements in the form of intifada have been fruitful, while negotiations have never been, and will never be effective in solving the issue of Palestine.

The senior cleric criticized certain Islamic states for serving Zionists in Israel by encouraging the Israeli regime in its invasions of Lebanon and Gaza during past years.

Further in his sermon, Ayatollah Khatami alluded to demonstrations held to mark the International Quds Day and praised the Iranian people’s massive turnout in the Friday rallies.

The late founder of the Islamic Republic, Imam Khomeini, declared the last Friday of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan as the International Quds Day, during which Muslims across the world hold rallies to show their solidarity with Palestinians.

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Quds Day rallies staged in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia

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File photo shows a protest rally in Bahrain.


Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:37AM GMT

People in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia’s Eastern Province have taken to the streets to mark the International Quds Day in support of the Palestinian cause to free their land from Israeli grip.


Despite the bans imposed by the Saudi regime and Bahraini government, people took part in the rallies on the last Friday of the Holy month of Ramadan.

Meanwhile, in Yemen's capital city of Sana’a, an International al Quds Day conference was held in which the speakers called on Muslims to end all ties with the US.

The speakers stated that supporting the US would be the same as supporting the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

In 1979, Imam Khomeini, the late founder of the Islamic Republic, designated the last Friday of the lunar month of Ramadan as the International Quds Day, during which Muslims across the world hold rallies to show their solidarity with Palestinians.

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Thousands of Palestinians enter al-Quds to mark al-Quds Day

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Muslims pray outside the Dome of the Rock mosque situated in the al-Aqsa mosque compound. (file photo)

Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:9PM GMT

Thousands of Palestinians have entered al-Quds (Jerusalem) to mark the international al-Quds Day despite restrictions put in place by Israeli regime.


Thousands of Israeli soldiers were deployed to the city on the last Friday of holy month of Ramadan as Muslims around the world took to the streets to express their solidarity with the Palestinian people and condemn the continuous Zionist occupation of Palestinian lands.

Tel Aviv has imposed an age restriction on men and only those over forty and under twelve are allowed to cross from the West Bank into the city to attend Friday Prayers at Islam’s third holiest shrine, Al-Aqsa mosque, and many Palestinians were forced to turn back.


Palestinians describe the ban as an act of collective punishment, stating that access to holy sites should be guaranteed, especially during religious ceremonies.

Muslims in Iran, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan and several other countries marked al-Quds Day on Friday with anti-Israeli demonstrations.

In 1979, Imam Khomeini, the late founder of the Islamic Republic, designated the last Friday of the lunar month of Ramadan as the International Quds Day, during which Muslims across the world hold rallies to show their solidarity with Palestinians.

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Hezbollah will give crushing response if Tel Aviv attacks Lebanon: Nasrallah

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Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah speaks through a video link on the occasion of al-Quds Day in the southern suburb of Beirut on Aug 17, 2012.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:43PM

Hezbollah Secretary-General Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah has warned that the anti-Israel resistance movement will turn the lives of hundreds of thousands of Israelis into a living hell if Tel Aviv attacks Lebanon again.

Addressing Hezbollah supporters on the occasion of the International Al-Quds Day, Nasrallah said on Friday that Hezbollah has both the capability and the courage to defend Lebanon and that the movement's missiles are ready to strike back certain targets inside Israel in self-defense if Tel Aviv launches an attack on Lebanon.

"If we are forced to use them to protect our people and our country, we will not hesitate to do so... and that will turn the lives of hundreds of thousands of Zionists into a living hell," Nasrallah said, adding that Hezbollah has fixed its targets.

He also said that a possible future war would be extremely costly for Israel and incomparable with its 2006 war against Lebanon.

Hezbollah leader said Israel's humiliating defeat in the 33-day war in 2006 is the main reason behind Israeli military officials' opposition to the government plans for launching war against another country, namely Iran.

He also criticized certain Arab states for fueling the unrest in Syria by supporting and funding anti-Damascus insurgents, saying that they are serving Israeli interests by doing that since Tel Aviv wants the anti-Israel resistance axis to lose Syria.

Nasrallah described some Arab leaders as "leaders of sedition" over their tough approach toward Syria unrest.

He urged Saudi Arabia to stop funding media outlets that promote division among Muslims.

The Hezbollah leader also condemned the Organization of Islamic Cooperation's (OIC) decision to suspend Syria’s membership, saying that the move means a green light to more killings and bloodshed in the country.

Nasrallah also urged Muslims around the world to adopt a unified stance on Israeli-Palestinian conflict and al-Quds issue.

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Quds issue prompted Arab nations to stand up to dictatorship

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People in Ahwaz, southwest Iran, attended International Quds Day rallies on August 17, 2012, to express solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:24PM


Hamas representative in Iran Khalid Qaddoumi says the issue of Quds is the main cause of uprisings in Arab countries against despotic regimes.

Addressing a rally held on Friday in the city of Ahwaz, southwest Iran, to mark the International Quds Day, Qaddoumi referred to the Arab world developments and the Islamic Awakening as a cause of pride for Muslims in the region.


“We should not remain indifferent towards these developments and wait for history to take its course…. We must take the opportunity … and play a role,” he said, warning that the enemy is in ambush to take control of the regional developments for its own benefit.

The Hamas representative cautioned that the “Zionist enemy” exploits the existing problems in the Islamic world to foment discord among Muslims.

Referring to designation of the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan as the International Quds Day by the late Founder of the Islamic Republic Imam Khomeini, Qaddoumi stated that it was a judicious move that made the issue of Quds, top priority of the Muslim world.

He concluded by saying that if Muslims get united, the liberation of Quds will not be far away.

Imam Khomeini declared the last Friday of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan as the International Quds Day, during which Muslims across the world hold rallies to show their solidarity with Palestinians.

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Quds Day will remove the Zionist black stain: Ahmadinejad

Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:44AM

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says the International Quds Day is the day of unity among all human beings to remove the Zionist “black stain” from the human society.

“Today, countering the entity of Zionism and the fabricated Zionist regime safeguards rights of all human beings, defends human dignity and paves the way to save humankind from arrogance, poverty and misery,” Ahmadinejad said in an address at the International Quds Day on Friday.

The world should know that most Western hegemonic and colonial powers maintain a joint commitment to protect the entity of the Israeli regime, he added.


The Iranian chief executive stated that the Israeli regime is a tool to control the Middle East region and the entire world, stressing the regime’s existence is an insult to the mankind.

He added that Western powers are justifying the Israeli regime’s homicide “because they are dependent on them (Zionists).”

Ahmadinejad said that the Zionists masterminded the Word War I and II to dominate nations and prepare the ground for the US power.

He added that all the world’s main centers of power, media and banks are controlled by the Zionists. However, they “use all of them for destruction of values and nations.”

He said that even the US presidential hopefuls have to bow to the Zionists if they want to have the chance to run.

Ahmadinejad emphasized that successive US governments have explicitly announced that they have been committed to salvage the Israeli regime and stated, “So, we should be vigilant and negligence against enemies will give the opportunity to them to dominate the region.”

He highlighted the significance of reinforcing unity and securing fundamental rights of nations in a rational atmosphere and through dialogue.

“The Iranian nation will not give up one iota of its own fundamental rights and those of other nations,” the president pointed out.

The head of the Supreme National Security Council further pointed to regional developments, dubbed by Western media as the Arab Spring, and stated that the world would also witness European and American spring in the near future.

He lashed out at the US President Barack Obama for failing to remain committed to his change slogan and recommended American authorities to avoid pursuing the Zionists and act independently to serve their own interests.

“Westerners are after [the establishment] of a new Middle East. We are also after a new Middle East which will definitely be formed … but in this new Middle East, there will be no trace of the US and Zionists,” Ahmadinejad pointed out.

Millions of enthusiastic Iranian people held massive rallies in Tehran and more than 550 cities and towns on the International Quds Day in support of the Palestinian resistance against the Israeli regime.

The participants carried placards and chanted slogans against the United States and Israel.

In 1979, Imam Khomeini, the late founder of the Islamic Republic, designated the last Friday of the lunar month of Ramadan as the International Quds Day, during which Muslims across the world hold rallies to show their solidarity with Palestinians.

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answers on mut'a:

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/chap10.php

dragnet: a new or innovated act which is bid'ah is as regards every action that leads to or includes acts of worship. . Just like d saying that fasts could be observed in d honor of the remembrance? It's bid'ah. . . .or a specific date set aside for that also falls under the same ruling.

no one here has considered the commemoration [b]itself [/b]as an (obligatory) act of worship or has made it obligatory like (obligatory) ibada (acts of worship) e.g. five daily prayers,fasting on the holy month,e.t.c.

no one here has supported any new act of obligatory worship.

all ibada whether obligatory or optional is for Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) and not for people.no one disagree here.

so this your excuse that bid'ah is in regard acts of worship does not hold because the commemoration itself is not seen as an (obligatory) act of worship like the obligatory ones are seen.

besides,every action a human makes is an act of ibada (worship).we are told even sleeping with our wives and striving to feed our children are acts of worship we would be rewarded for.even breathing is an act of worship and praise to Allah.Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) has said in the Holy Quran :"I have not created jin and man except that they worship me".

so even saying that bid'ah is only regards acts of worship is wrong because every action of man is worship for Allah.it becomes bid'ah and haram if any act does not glorify Allah but someone or something else.the commemoration itself can be rightly said and agreed that it is not an obligatory act of worship.but every act is worship.therefore worshipping Allah in a particular date or any date is worship for Allah (swt) and no one else,and Allah will reward us for that.so the analogy brother LagosShia drew about driving a car instead of riding animals does make sense; and going by your logic on NEW things, cars can also be seen as bid'ah because the Prophet (s) used animals.riding animals is therefore sunnah and driving cars is changing the sunnah of the Prophet (s).the Prophet (s) used to travel for the sake of Allah and Islam.so travelling is also an act of worship in that case even though not an obligatory one.it clearly shows that the sunnah is in moving/travelling for the sake of Allah (swt) regardless what object you use,just as all (obligatory and optional) worship is also for Allah regardless of when.obviously,so if you are to call commemorating the beloved of Allah as "bid'ah" we can also say driving cars is bid'ah.no one is calling the commemoration an obligatory act of worship.and keep in mind every action of man is worship and sin only result when you do not do what glorifies Allah (swt).

[size=14pt]Is it an Innovation to Commemorate the Birth and Death Anniversaries of Awliya Allah?[/size]

The Wahhabis consider the honouring of birth and death anniversaries of awliya and divine personalities to be forbidden and an innovation. They are the staunch enemies of the awliya Allah and religious leadrs and consider the gatherings on their birth and death anniversaries to be (haram) prohibited.

Muhammad Hamid al-Faqi, the leader of group ‘Ansar al-Sunnat al-Muhammadiyya’ in his footnotes to his book al-Fath al-Majid writes:

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“Remembering and celebrating on the days of birth and death of awliya amounts to one kind of worshipping them and respecting before them”.[1]

The root of all their mistakes is that because they have not determined any limit and margin for polytheism (shirk), tawhid and specially the meaning of 'ibada, they think that every kind of respect and honour is worship. As you must have noticed, he has brought the word of 'ibada and homage close to each other and imagines that both give the same meaning.

In the one of next chapters, we shall explain the meaning of 'ibada and clearly prove that every honour and respect to the virtuous servants of God with the intention that they are the ‘servants’ of Allah, does not result in their worship at all. Therefore, we shall examine this discussion from another angle (not polytheism in 'ibada).

Undoubtedly, Qur’an has repeatedly praised the Prophets and awliya with eloquent and rhetorical words.

About Zakaria, Yahya and others the Qur’an says:

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“Surely they used to hasten, one with another, in deeds of goodness and to call upon Us, hoping and fearing, and they were humble before Us.” (al-'Anbiya: 90) .

Now, if in a gathering which is held under their name, someone portrays them in a similar manner which has come down in the contents of this verse and by this way honours them, has he done anything other than obeying the Holy Qur’an?

About the household of the Prophet, Allah (swt) says:

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"And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive." (Dahr: 8 )

Now if the followers of Ali come together on the birthday of Amir al-mu'minin and say that Ali is one who used to give his own food to the poor, orphan and the captive, have they by this act worshipped him!?

If on the birthday of the Holy Prophet (s) we translate the verse which praises the Prophet into a non-Arabic language or write a poem on a tablet and recite it in a gathering, have we committed a forbidden action!?

They are having enmity with the matter of honouring the Holy Prophet (s) and awilya Allah that they wish to stop this under the pretext of fight against innovation.

At this stage a question is brought up to which the loud-speakers amongst the Wahhabis lay great emphasis and it is this: ‘Since these assemblies and gatherings are held under the name of religion and are labelled as Islamic, they should be approved specifically and generally by the Islamic rules. Otherwise it would be innovation (bid’at) and forbidden (haram).

The reply to this question is quite clear because the verses of Qur’an that draw our attention to the necessisty of honouring the Prophet is sufficient in this case and these kinds of gatherings are not held for any reason other than respecting the awliya Allah. That thing is considered to be ‘innovation’ which is not approved specifically or generally by Qur’an or the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet.

The purpose of these honourings which is common amongst all the nations of the world is nothing but paying respect and homage and this practise is common among all the Muslims of the world except for these handful of dry wahhabi ‘Najdis’. If it was innovation and something new and not confirming with the general Islamic principles, it was impossible that the Islamic scholars would celebrate the birthday of the Holy Prophet (s) and make splendid such gatherings by reading scholarly monographs and reciting sweet and elegant poems.

Here are some logical reasonings from Qur’an permitting such respect and honourings:

First Proof
The Holy Qur’an praises that group of people who honour the Holy Prophet (s):

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“So (as for) those who believe in him and honour him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.” (A'raf: 157)

The words which have appeared in this verse comprises of:

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Is it possible for one to think that the words https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image292.jpg,https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image293.jpg and https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image294.jpg are confined to the period of the Holy Prophet? Certainly not! If such a probability cannot be given about these three words, the word of https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image295.jpg which gives the meaning of honour and respect [2] cannot be assigned to the period of the Holy Prophet (s) and thus this sublime leader should be respected and honoured at all times.

Is it not that arranging memorial gathering on the day of bi'that and birth of the Holy Prophet (s) and delivering speeches and poems on such occasions clear evidence to https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image295.jpg?

Surprisingly, the Wahhabis pay homage and respect their own tribal leaders and rulers and honour even one ordinary person such that observing one hundredth of that with regard to the Holy Prophet (s), his pulpit and alter is considered to be innovation and anti-Islamic by them. As a result they introduce Islam to the world as one dry religion lacking any sentiments and affections and think that the shari'a which is in fact simple and easy, matching with the human nature and feeling and generous enough to attract the people is a dry "shari'a" which does not consider the respect of divine leaders to be of any significance and does not possess the ability to attract the people of the world.


Second Proof
What do the Wahhabis who oppose any kind of mourning ceremonies for the martyrs in the way of Allah have to say about the story of Ya'qub ('a)? If today, this great Prophet was living amongst these Najdis and the followers of Muhammad bin ’Abd al-Wahhab how would have they judged him?

Day and night he was weeping for his separation from Yusuf and all the time he was asking the people about the whereabouts of his beloved son. He was so much sorrowful by the separation of his son that he lost his eye-sight. [3]

Sickness and loss of eye-sight did not deter Ya’kub (‘a) from forgetting his son Yusuf (‘a). Instead, as the promise of re-union was drawing closer the flames of love towards his son increased manifold and he could smell Yusuf miles away. [4]

And instead of the star (Yusuf) pursuing the sun (Ya'qub ('a)) it was vice -versa.

Why expression of such affection during the life of the loved one (i.e. Yusuf) is correct and confirms to Tawhid but after his death when the heart becomes more prone to pain and suffering it amounts to polytheism and becomes forbidden?

Now if the Ya'qubs of our time gather together every year on the death anniversary of their Yusufs and speak about the value of his moral qualities due to which they start crying, will such an act amount to worshipping of their sons!? [5]


Third Proof
Undoubtedly, https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image296.jpg (love towards kinship) is one of the Islamic obligations which Qur’an explicitly commends us towards it. Now, after fourteen centuries if someone wishes to act upon the religious obligations then what should we do? Is it not that he should rejoice on their joyous days and become sorrowful on the days of their grief and sorrow?

Now, for expressing one's own pleasure, if someone holds a gathering wherein he reveals their historical life and sacrifices and describes their innocence and their deprivation from their rightful claims then, has he done anything other than expressing his affection and manifesting mawadda dhawi'l qurba? (https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image296.jpg)

If, for showing more affection, such a person visits their progeny and comes near their graves and holds such gatherings near their graves then, has he in the eyes of the wise and intelligent people, done anything other than manifesting his love and affection!?

Except that the Wahhabis may say: Such love and affection should be kept secret and confined to the heart and no one has the right to manifest and express them (openly).

During the time of the Holy Prophet (s) and the period after him which was the period of change of thoughts and beliefs, different tribes and nations with different cultures and customs were turning towards Islam and by reciting the shahadatayn (creed) their Islam was accepted. The position of Prophet and the leaders was never to investigate, censor (by establishing the ‘section for scrutinizing of beliefs’) than dissolve the entire rites and customs of the nations and tribes and bring them out in another form different from the previous ones.

Respect of leaders, establishing memorial ceremonies, attending the graves and expressing love for their signs and traces was and is the custom of all nations and tribes. At present too, the people of East and West stand for hours in que waiting to pay visit to the mummified bodies and graves of ancient leaders in order to express their love and shed tears in their grief. They consider this to be one way for expressing respect and honour.

It was never seen that the Holy Prophet (s) would accept the Islam of people only after investigating their beliefs and examining their practises and customs in practical life. Instead, expressing the ‘Shahadatain’ was enough for him. If these practices and customs were forbidden and or amounted to worshiping the ancestors, then it was necessary to accept the Islam of nations and tribes (only) after taking allegiance and promise from them about their exoneration (of such practices) while such was never the case.


Fourth Proof:
We see Isa (‘a) asks for table (with food) from the Almighty Allah and introduces the day of its descension as the day of celebration and says:

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“O Allah, our lord! send down to us food from heaven which should be to us an ever-recurring happiness, to the first of us and the last of us, and a sign from Thee, and grant us means of subsistence, and Thou art the best of the Providers.” (Maida: 114)

Is the value of the Holy Prophet's existence lesser than one heavenly table which Isa (‘a) declares the day of its descension to be the day of ‘Eid’. If such a day is declared to be the day of ‘Eid’ because of the table being a divine sign, then is not the Holy Prophet (s) the greatest divine sign!?

Woe to those who are ready to celebrate the day of descension of one heavenly table that feeds the stomachs but ignore and label as innovation, the celebration of the day of descension of Qur’an and the day of appointment (bi’that) of Prophet who blessed the minds of human beings with perfection of thought over the period of history !


Fifth Proof:
The Qur’an says:

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“And exalted for you your esteem”? (Inshiraah: 4)

Is it that arranging gatherings for celebrating the days of birth of the Holy Prophet (s) having any purpose other than elevating his name and fame! Why in this case we should not follow the Qur’an? Is not Qur’an an example and the best model for us?

Notes:
[1] al-Fath al-Majid, page 154. At this time when these pages and papers are being composed, and in the entire Islamic countries celebrations are being held on the occasion of the birth of the Holy Prophet, the Mufti of the House of Sa’ud, Bin Baz has declared as forbidden and innovation any kind of respect for the birthday of the Holy Prophet (s). But the same person addressed King Faisal al-Sa’ud during his reign as ‘Amir al-mu'minin’ and this action was biting and shocking to the extent that the king too understood and excused for accepting this title.

[2] Refer to al-Raghib, Mufradat al-Raghib, under " ' dh r".

[3] https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image299.jpg Sura Yusuf: 84.

[4] https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image300.jpg Sura Yusuf verse: 94.

[5] Moreover, reliable traditions have come down from the Infallibles about holding of mourning ceremonies and in this connection, Allama al-'Amini has collected in one chapter of his book titled:https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/Wahhabism%20Final_files/image301.gif all the traditions from Sunni books

source: http://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/9.htm

(Holy Quran 19:33)
"And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."

every last day of friday in the holy month of ramadan is set aside by Muslims worldwide to commemorate and remember al-Quds (Jerusalem).Muslims all over the world participate in rallies in solidarity with Jerusalem and in particular,Masjidul-Aqsa.Jerusalem is presently under Israel's zionist occupation.the Masjidul Aqsa is also under threat of demolition and destruction by zionist extremists and israeli excavations under the mosque.insha'Allah ta'ala,this thread would serve us this month in this year to mark the activities of Jerusalem Day on the last friday of the holy month of Ramadan in 2012.

Masha'Allah,a very well written and informative article.

thanks for sharing.

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Did you know this...!!!


Out of 496 members of new Majlis (parliament) in the Islamic Republic of Iran:

* 270 Members are Haafiz al-Qur'an (remembers the entire Qur'an by heart)

* 40 members are experts in economics

* 170 members are PhD holders

* 130 members know more than 1000 authentic ahadith by heart.[/size]

maclatunji: LOL, you and your perceived opponents are really becoming too. childish for comfort. Sweetnecta, I see your efforts, this guys won't stop!

i think in this thread there are no opponents.these are facts we have known to be present in Sunni books of narration over the ages.you just need to warn Vedaxcool to stop making claims of disbelief and insult against others like the thread he started today.today is bygone but next time he should'nt repeat that for the sake of peace.

logicboy,

how did your "honest question" about Prophet Muhammad (s) turn into an argument on arabs? doesn't the Quran say that the people deepest in hypocrisy can be found among arabs? so how do you expect each and everyone of them to be a true Muslim? it is wrong to group people and generalize about them.

Logicbwoy: 2) When you sell someone to a fellow citizen, that is slavery. So get out with your "POW" propaganda. Slaves were traded.

there is a big difference here.the europeans for instance who came to africa,made exploitations and war to catch slaves.in Islam,the battles that were fought were defensive battles to protect the lives of Muslims,who were oppressed and their lives threatened.so the Muslims ended up winning those battles and taking prisoners.the intended purpose of getting those prisoners in the first place was defense because those prisoners were once waging war against the Muslims and trying to or even oppressing them.the Muslims did not embark on campaigns to capture fellow humans and trade them,as the europeans left their land miles away with the sole aim of enslaving africans and treating them like fruits you pluck from trees and sell.

@OP

are you looking for a master to own you?

this topic and insisting to implicate Islam in "slavery" which is infamously promoted by your christian masters is sick.it looks like your obsession.

if you're looking for a master to enslave you,i think you're in London;that would make a perfect place to find a master.

‎19 LETTERS OF BISMILLAH REPRESENT THE SPIRITUAL REALITY OF THE AHLUL BAYT

If you add the letters of the names of the 5 Holy One's, the ahlul kisa, it totals nineteen letters, and “Bismillahi 'r-Rahmani 'r-Raheem” is comprised of nineteen letters!

Allah (swt) wants to show the nineteen letters of “Bismillahi 'r-Rahmani 'r-Raheem” are equal to the nineteen letters of the names of Muhammad (s), Ali (as), Fatima (sa), Hasan (as) and Hussain (as). “Bismillah” represents the reality of the “Ahlu -bayt!” which means any `amal you do, as the Prophet (s) said:

كل عمل لم يبدأ باسم الله فهو أبتر
Kullu `amalim lam yabdaa bismillahi fa huwa abtar.

The Prophet (s) said, “Any `amal (act of ibada/worship) which doesn't begin with Bismillahi 'r-Rahmani 'r-Raheem is cut off, it has no continuity.” (Ahmad, al-Musnad)

Every `amal that does not begin with “Bismillahi 'r-Rahmani 'r-Raheem” is cut, there is no meaning to it, which means any `amal you do without mentioning the names of Sayyidina Muhammad (s) and Ahlu ‘l-Bayt which equal nineteen letters, like Bismillahi 'r-Rahmani 'r-Raheem equals nineteen letters, your `amal is not accepted!!!

It has to be salawat on Prophet (s) and Ahlu ’l-Bayt (i.e. saying: Allahumma Solli Ala Muhammad Wa Alee Muhammad-"May Allah's blessings be upon Muhammad and the Household of Muhammad" ) before every `amal you do. After every salaah (prayer) that you do, your du`a (supplication) has to be wrapped by salawat on Prophet (s) and Ahlu ’l-Bayt, because it’s equal to “Bismillahi 'r-Rahmani 'r-Raheem.”

- Naqshbandi Sufi Shaykh Hisham Kabbani

BetaThings: The prayer for rain is performed in congregation? Is it compulsory?
If we like, we may not pray for rain. But when we decide to pray it, we would do it in congregation
So it is not correct to say all congregational prayer are compulsory
When we are informed that after Asr, we are going to pay Janazah, I may leave the mosque immediately after praying Asr in congregation and just leave the people who want to pray Janazah to get it done
I insist that Janazah is not obligatory for me so long as some have performed it
If I miss, will I make it up?
If I miss Dhur, will I make it up?

you are mentioning prayers that possibly some Muslims have never heard of in their lifetime.these prayers for rain or during eclipse are done to invoke Allah (swt) for mercy.

Obligatory prayers can be done both in congregation and individually.

optional prayers can be done individually only.

the category of prayers you are citing as examples are done in times of emergency to invoke Allah (jj) out of need.if you like dont do it and die in thirst.the point is,these special prayers like janaza salat cannot be used to draw reference here.even their method of praying them are different in pattern.they follow special methods and reciting particular surah or dua,e.t.c.

There is nothing wrong with any of the two. Muslim uses exactly the words in Bukhari and goes further to explain the reason

the reason is so that the prayers do not become obligatory.so you that perform everyday (during the month of ramadan) in congregation are you following the sunnah of the Prophet (s)-not to pray it in congregation so it doesn't become obligatory? i still do not understand the logic in that hadith that praying in congregation would make it obligatory.why does praying it in congregation make it look obligatory? can you explain that? to me it simply means that it is not obligatory so it should be offered individually or at home and only the obligatory prayers should be offered in congregation.

and that is what is clear from these two hadiths:

The Prophet (s) said: “O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what he performs at his home, except the compulsory (congregational) prayer."
[Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 9, book 92, number 393]
[al-Nasa’i, Sunan, volume 3, p. 161, p. 198]

Once Abdullah bin Mas’ud asked the Prophet (s): “Which is better; to pray in my house or in the mosque?” The Prophet (s) replied: “Do you not see how near to the mosque my house is? To pray in my house is more beloved to me than to pray in the mosque except for the obligatory prayers.”
[Ibn Majah, Sunan, volume 1, page 439, number 1378]

The Prophet (PBUH) prayed with them for 2 days before stopping. Was he doing bid'ah then?
The conclusion about non-obligatory prayres being said in the mosque is your own ruling which I do not share.
There are only 5 obligatory prayers collected on the night of miraj.
There are different rulings for different activities.

the Prophet (s) cannot do anything "bid'a" because he is the teacher and it is what differs from what he said or did that becomes bid'a.according to hadiths earlier presented the Prophet (s) did not order or teach them to do it.it was their desire.and it is agreed that the Prophet (sa) only pass rules when he receives revelations.alcohol was not forbidden in the initial part of his mission but was later totally banned after revelations he received.so do we now drink alcohol and ask if the Prophet (s) allowed it or not?

Masha'Allah.

thank you for the good lectures you presented on Imam Ali (as).

^
great info with evidence and facts on point!

BetaThings: The previous poster asserted that congregational prayers are obligatory. And I insist it is not so
Some prayers are obligatory on the Muslim community (eg Janazah), some are compulsory on individuals (5 daily prayers)
If I am at work and it is time of Janazah, and I am sure others are going to say it, I don't need to join the Janazah
Or if I sleep through the time for it, I don't need to make it up
There is no such reprieve if I miss an obligatory prayer like Fajr or Isha
If I miss Eid prayer, say I thought it would be said at 10am and it was prayed at 9am. Do I need to repay it?
No.

my point is since it is obligatory for a dead muslim to be offered upon janaza prayer,janaza prayer is therefore an obligatory prayer that is performed in congregation.the point is all congregational prayers are obligatory prayers.if a prayer is not obligatory it cannot be performed in congregation and if it is only allowed to be performed at home,then it is not obligatory.now you are asserting that because you are not required to do it therefore it is not obligatory even though it is performed in congregation.now let me ask you this:CAN YOU PERFORM JANAZA PRAYER AT HOME? no because janaza is congregational only.nafilat are supplementary and individually offered only.obligatory can be performed both in congregation and individually.

i think it is best you do not use janaza prayer to draw an analogy on this issue.

I will like to point out that we need to quote the hadith correctly if we are going to discuss it
THe hadith does not say
FRom Bukhari it says “Nothing prevented me from coming out to you except the fact that I feared that it would be made obligatory for you.”
The version in Muslim says “But I feared that night prayers would be made obligatory for you and you would not be able to do them.”

it is either the version in bukhari is correct or the one in Muslim is correct.so you have to decide.if the Prophet (s) fears it would be made obligatory,then why was it okay to pray it individually as other hadith suggest that it is not obligatory and should not be performed in congregation?

So the issue is not that people would think it is obligatory. But the divinely guided Messenger of Allah (PBUH) who never erred in conveying his message based on his knowledge of how revelations always came to him in his lifetime told us that it was possible that that prayer would be made compulsory in congregation if he had continued saying it with people

Who could make it compulsory? Allah (SWT), the creator and master of the Prophet (PBUH) himself. Allah is the only being that the Prophet could not give instruction to or direct to stop an action and the only being who could refuse a request from the Prophet (PBUH)
So the Prophet (PBUH) told us that he feared that Allah could make that congregational prayer compulsory if He (the Prophet, PBUH) had continued it.
And having being made compulosry, it would become an additional duty which would be punished if left undone. He added (from that version in Muslim) that HIs followers would not be able to do it. That would lead to punishment
And we know that the Prophet (PBUH) was sent as a mercy to mankind. His (PBUH) action and fear justifies that attribute in trying to save the Muslims from potential punishment resulting from inability to do a potentially compulsory deed

As for the Prophet (PBUH) fearing that people would think something is compulsory, he would simply tell them to stop it
Being muslims, they would "hear and obey"

it is clear from the hadith presented that the Prophet (s) asked Muslims to pray their supplementary prayer at home and not in congregation. the question still remains:why does praying a non-obligatory prayer in congregation make it look like obligatory? is there any rule that supplementary prayers known as nafilat (including taraweeh) which are offered individually as extra prayers should not be prayed in congregation? it is very clear that obligatory prayers are to be offered in congregation but can also be offered at home or individually.while supplementary prayers or nafilat should only be done individually and not in congregation.

Date: 2012/07/16 - 12:24 source: shiitenews


[size=14pt]Shiite Genocide Continues; 16-year-old Shia Student Martyred by the Wahhabi Terrorists in Karachi[/size]

Turab Haider, 16, Sajjad Haider was kidnapped days ago by the terrorists of the banned pro Taliban group LeJ.

Shiite Genocide Continues; 16-year-old Shia Student Martyred by the Wahhabi Terrorists in Karachi

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - 16 years old Shia Muslim student who was kidnapped days ago from Jaffar-e-Tayyar has been beaten and killed by the banned Lashkar Jhangvi terrorist group.

According to received reports Turab Haider S/O Sajjad Haider was kidnapped days ago by the terrorists of the banned pro Taliban group LeJ. Turab Haider was a first year student.

According to the sources he has gotten 4 bullets and beaten till his death and his body found from the Malir Naddi today. Turab Haider also burned by the acid where he has done the mourning for Imam Hussain (A.S).

Turab Haider funeral prayer performed at Nad-e-Ali square in Jaffar-e-Tayyar.

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http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=329362

interesting points.i really don't want to continue the long and time consuming arguments many of which stem from ignorance of history and reality.

but i am really amused by the way our christian friends are defending themselves.they have easily made the majority of christians non-christian.catholics are not christians,and the anglican church is a royal house church and therefore also "un-christian".they find it easily to denounce over 1.5. billion christians out of 2 billion as "non-christian",but find it difficult to see that wahhabism followed by a few million muslims out of over 1.5 billion muslims are following interpreations of the Quran that are extreme and in conflict with Islam and therefore Islam and the large body of Muslims are not responsible for terrorism,that wahhabi/salafi groups like alqaeda (with american support) and boko haram are following.

i really also liked Mac's point.if christians claim to be like Christ then their very name "christian" is un-christlike because Jesus (as) never called himself or followers "christians".so all those claiming to be followers of christ should stop calling themselves "christian".Jesus did not call his followers "christian".

[size=14pt]5.6-magnitude quake hits Myanmar-India border [/size]

An earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter scale has struck the India-Myanmar border region, but there were no immediate reports of casualties or damage.


The US Geological Survey said the quake hit at 1:25 a.m. local time on Sunday (1955 GMT on Saturday) at a depth of 6.5 kilometers (4 miles).

The tremor struck 43 kilometers (26 miles) southeast of Kohima, the capital of India's northeastern state of Nagaland, and was at 25.437 degrees north latitude and 94.496 degrees east longitude.

India's seven northeastern states -- joined to the rest of the country by a narrow sliver of land -- are located in an area of frequent seismic activities.

More than 100 people were killed in September last year when a powerful 6.9-magnitude earthquake struck the border of India's northeastern state of Sikkim and Nepal, according to AFP.

The quake devastated towns and villages on both sides of the Indian and Nepal border, as well as in southern Tibet and the tiny kingdom of Bhutan.

MP/MFMA
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/250983.html

[size=14pt]Washington’s Alliance With al-Qaeda[/size]

Playing the Sunni Card

by Justin Raimondo, July 13, 2012
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When I read Imperial Hubris, by Michael Scheuer – a former top CIA official and head of their bin Laden unit — I was floored by his opening paragraph:

"As I complete this book, U.S., British, and other coalition forces are trying to govern apparently ungovernable postwar states in Afghanistan and Iraq, while simultaneously fighting growing Islamist insurgencies in each – a state of affairs our leaders call victory. In conducting these activities, and the conventional military campaigns preceding them, U.S. forces and policies are completing the radicalization of the Islamic world, something Osama bin Laden has been trying to do with substantial but incomplete success since the early 1990s. As a result, I think it fair to conclude that the United States of America remains bin Laden’s only indispensable ally."

It seemed incredible – at least in the way he phrased it — but Scheuer made an entirely plausible case: through its actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, he argued, the US was creating a deep pool of recruits for al-Qaeda, giving credibility to Osama bin Laden’s view that the US was embarked on a campaign to eradicate Islam. Al Qaeda, he averred, was "blowback" from decades of US intervention in the Middle East, the result – indeed, the creation – of American foreign policy in the region. Scheuer’s book was published in 2004, when the Bush administration was at the height of its hubris. The President had recently declared that his wars were an episode in what he called a "global democratic revolution" that was being led by the United States. The neoconservatives who had agitated for and provoked this war were dreaming of a "transformation" of the entire region, one that would "drain the swamp" of the Middle East and remove the sources of Muslim radicalism – which, naturally, they did not locate in the particulars of US foreign policy, but in the "Arab mindset," or some such borderline racist nonsense.

Hubris soon gave way to despair, however, which finally gave way to realism – and America’s withdrawal (however tentative) from Iraq. Afghanistan, too, has ended in a stalemate, and Washington’s announcement of a time frame – however vague – for withdrawal. The geniuses in charge of American foreign policy had finally realized their strategy of reform-at-gunpoint wasn’t working – or had they?

When the Obama administration came to Washington, they brought with them a new "smart" strategy for fighting the Terrorist Threat, exemplified by the "COIN" doctrine, the military’s new counterinsurgency theory associated with Gen. David Petraeus. This was an essentially political strategy: that is, it was premised on the idea that if we could "win hearts and minds," the US military could defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, build up the Afghan state apparatus, and depart, leaving our local allies to police the region and prevent a Taliban comeback. That it didn’t work out that way is generally acknowledged, these days, but this doesn’t mean the strategic premise at the heart of "COIN" has been abandoned.

Far from it: the "smartness" of the new strategic vision was applied to the foreign policy realm, in the wake of the "Arab Spring," and fully implemented in the ditching of Hosni Mubarak and our support to the Libyan rebellion. It has culminated in US support to the Syrian "opposition," which is, for all intents and purposes, the Syrian branch of Al Qaeda.

You know you’ve landed in Bizarro World when our "war on terrorism" means making an alliance with the ideological blood brothers of those who brought down the World Trade Center and attacked the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 – which is precisely what we are doing in Syria.

"We have solid information and intelligence that members of al-Qaida terrorist network have gone in the other direction to Syria to help and to liaise to carry out terrorist attacks," says Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari. "This is a fact that the extremist groups have an important role in the level of violence that is going on in Syria," he continued.

Al Qaeda-in-Iraq – the alleged reason we kept our troops in that country as long as we did – is now reappearing in neighboring Syria as our de facto ally. As Al Qaeda fighters pour across the Iraqi-Syrian border, our Secretary of State echoes the jihadist call for Bashar al-Assad’s ouster. And it isn’t just talk: while there is much "debate" about whether we should officially arm the Syrian rebels – who have gathered just over the border in Turkey, where they are being succored by the international "Friends of Syria" — we are already doing so indirectly, at the very least, via our allies in Qatar and the Saudi Kingdom.

Yet the Free Syrian Army, as it calls itself – in reality a constantly splitting and re-splitting collection of independent militias– is not the only or even the main military force facing off against the regime. It is Al Qaeda – or, rather, groups claiming the Al Qaeda franchise – who are conducting the most effective military campaign against Assad’s army. Al Nusra, widely believed to be a front for Al Qaeda operatives arriving from Iraq, recently claimed responsibility for dozens of bombings, including one in Damascus that killed 55 people and an attack on a pro-government television station in which three journalists and a number of other personnel were killed. There is also the Al Baraa Ibn Malik Martyrdom Brigade, another faction of suicide-bombers, which claims affiliation with the Free Syrian Army and is fighting on the front lines in Homs, the epicenter of the rebellion: they, too, seem to have migrated from Iraq. The Lebanon-based Abdullah Azzam Brigade is also in the running.

Wherever the American eagle strikes, the vultures of Al Qaeda soon follow. Scheuer’s contention that the US is objectively, albeit unintentionally empowering Al Qaeda by intervening in the Muslim world was one thing, but this is something else. The campaign to win "hearts and minds" has become an attempt to coopt Sunni radicalism, neutralize Al Qaeda, and use the Sunnis as a battering ram against Washington’s real target in the region: Iran.

The Bush administration played the Sunni card in Iraq to spark the so-called Arab Awakening and neutralize Al Qaeda as an effective terrorist force. The COIN-distas universalized the great "success" of the surge and turned it into a full-blown military strategy, while over at the State Department Hillary Clinton went from declaring Mubarak an old family friend to demanding he step down. The Libyan adventure was the doctrine’s debut: there the local Al Qaeda affiliate was the backbone of the opposition’s military wing, and now we are seeing the same pattern emerge in Syria.

While Syrian oppositionists meeting in Cairo are slugging it out, Al Qaeda is doing their dirty work on the ground: killing innocents, spreading terror, and setting just the right conditions for Western military intervention.

Funny how it works out that way.

It is no longer the case that the US government is objectively advancing Al Qaeda’s cause due to its ineffective and counterproductive policies in the Middle East: we’ve gone far beyond that. This administration is actively aiding and abetting Syrian opposition groups, such as the Free Syrian Army, with whole contingents of Al Qaeda fighters in their ranks. American money is "training" the public face of the opposition, while the Saudis and Qataris funnel arms to Islamist terror groups: that’s how the international division of labor in the regime-change industry works.

To say that the US is Al Qaeda’s "one indispensable ally," these days, is no overstatement: it is literally and not just metaphorically true. Which just goes to show how everything comes full circle, or some such metaphysical jazz: after all, we were allies with Al Qaeda during the cold war with the Soviet Union – indeed, the US and its Saudi ally could be credited with birthing the international mujahideen network that fought in Afghanistan (and, don’t forget, in the Balkans) in alliance with the US.

After a falling out that began when the Saudi king refused bin Laden’s offer to defend the Kingdom against Saddam Hussein and allowed US troops on sacred Saudi soil, it looks like these two old allies are together again. It may be a remarriage of convenience, but it’s a reunion all the same: politically and militarily, the two are fighting the same battle – against the old-style secular Arab autocrats, of which Assad is the last surviving example, and against the emerging Shi’ite power centered in Iran and spreading to Iraq and beyond. The only point of contention between them is whether US military power or Al Qaeda’s suicide bombers are the best means of defeating these two enemies. Hillary Clinton disdains the Al Qaeda factor in Syria by saying they merely "claim" to be supporting the rebels, but in reality it is Al Qaeda that is doing the bulk of the actual fighting, and the US that is doing most of the claiming.

This is good for the regime changers in the mid to long run, because eventually they’ll get to designate Syria a "failed state," with a significant presence of Al Qaeda. That it failed due to their diligent efforts, and that they and their Gulf allies fully facilitated the success of bin Laden’s boys, will at that point be deemed irrelevant. The West will be "forced" to intervene.

And the regime-change machine rolls onward. Next stop: Iran….

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/07/12/washingtons-alliance-with-al-qaeda/

BetaThings: Actually it is not a true summary
It is not really correct to say that congregational prayers are obligatory. Obligatory prayers or acts are those that if missed, they must be made up
Janazzah prayer (for the dead), salat Istisqa (rain prayer) are prayed in congregation
But if I miss them, will I repay them? No. Same goes for eid prayer
If I miss Jumuah prayer, I cannot even repay it, I have to pray 4 rakats of dhur

those prayer you have mentioned are obligatory.the salat al-janazah is obligatory for a dead Muslim to receive it.now imagine,your family member is dead.would you say you do not pray salat al-janazah because it is not obligatory upon you? in fact,we cannot even use salat al-janazah for a comparison here because the method and purpose of janazah prayer are different from the prayers we do to worship Allah for ourselves.

the other prayer or any prayer offered like during eclipse or natural disaster,if they are deemed obligatory to be performed by a scholar or religious authority,then you not performing them means you have abandoned a prayer that is obligatory and accounatble for.

Regarding taraweeh, fact is
It is not obligatory - individually or in congregation. There is no punishment if it is not said
Since non-obligatory prayers are best said at home, it is better to pray it home
However, it is not bidah to pray it in the mosque
And sunnis continue to avail themselves of that opportunity


Sunnis do it in congregation to
1. Get the reward similar to praying the entire night
2. encourage those who would otherwise not do it at all and consequently miss out on the blessings of that act in the blessed month of Ramadan

But Sunnis know that it is not obligatory and there is a hadith in Bukhari to show that it is better to say it home (see below)


The hadith said the Prophet (PBUH) said that he feared that it would be made obligatory. So we cannot start asking why he did not fear it would be made obligatory if said individually.
But let us look at these reasons:
The Prophet (PBUH) was sent with the divine message. He knew best what to fear and what not to fear and he acted accordingly
Prayers said individually are usually non-obligatory. So it was unlikely that the prayer they said individually would become obligatory

please can you explain to us the logic behind not praying taraweeh in congregation (but at home) "so that people would not think it is obligatory".can't people still think it is "obligatory" if they are ordered to pray it at home? or are obligatory prayers,the only prayers to be prayed in congregation? if not,then why didn't the Prophet (s) abolish it both at home and in congregation? what is the logic in allowing it to be prayed at home but not in congregation "so that people do not think it is obligatory"? please explain.

tiarabubu: Yes you are partially correct on persecution. But You can't call sunnis names cos you are Muslims like them! What do Iranians call America for example? The great Satan right? But are all Americans devils? If half of Americans were Muslim, would they be so tagged?

seriously i hate to argue like this.it is a waste of time with cheap arguments that prove nothing in the end.

Iranians call america the "great satan" in reference to its government and their bad and evil policies.not that american citizens are satanic.that is not the case.so please try to think well before commenting if you want others to honor your post with a reply.

You throw words around. Who are the Christian "fanatics''? Those calling a spade a spade? And how is that helping " evangelisation''? How is that propaganda when PEOPLE are dying! You call that propaganda? Is that how people lives mean little to you?
Ask yourself, honestly if it were muslims that were continually targeted by Christians for large scale destruction, would we have the kind of response we are having? Please be honest.

the fact is in the last ten years with the invasion of afghanistan,iraq,the killing in palestine and the war against lebanon in 2006,have claimed millions of muslim lives.

why is it terrorism when bin laden is accused of killing 3000 people but it is not terrorism when bush fly his planes to bomb other countries and in the process kill innocent people? they call that collateral damage when Muslims die.but is war not terrorism?

And Bush said America invaded Iraq to spread christianity or did so in Jesus' name? Please leave behind the lies you guys comfort yourselves with. If it were so you think Saudi and indeed the entire middle east would have allowed that? It's all about oil and regional politics. Even Iran was exceptional quiet cos it was an opportunity to deal with their enemy Iraq by proxy.

this is not lies we comfort ourselves with.upon the first attack on afghanistan,Bush described it as a "crusade".and you should know that is a very offensive term to use when you are bombing and killing muslims.if you look into bush's history,he is a fanatical christian and a born-again zealot.

Well you don't know true christianity to say it plays less roles in people's lives. Don't be carried away by people who choose to deemphasize religion in their lives. Those are minimal christians. Christianity doesn't encourage outward show of piety but through words and deeds. It's about your personal relationship with God.

stop the name game.people most times remember they are christians when the pastor or bishop of CAn stir their emotions and try t demonize muslims using the criminal boko haram.is that not madness?

This is a juvenile assertion. Does a Muslim doing wrong and blaming it on shaiytan or jinns makes muslims followers of the devil?

we do not blame it on shaitan.even if a muslim is influenced by shaitan,in the sharia and islamically that muslim is accountable for using his freewill to follow shaitain.so yes,anyone who blames shaitan for his evil deeds has followed shaitain or could be shaitan's follower.very simple.

Doing wrong like murder, stealing, lying, envy, sexual pervasion are not supported by the Bible and are rightly ascribed to the Devil. How does this admission of wrong doing support your statement above?

It's impossible for a murderer, a suicide bomber, a molester or trying to spread religion by force etc to find justification in the Bible. Doing so is so and sound so improbable that its a futile exercise.

[size=16pt]let me leave you with your christian brothers in Jos eating the flesh of Muslims after burning them:[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/988799/cannibalization-muslims-jos-video-where

these are the same people that want us to sympathize with them when illiterate and uncivilized fulani herdsmen kill them or when boko haram bomb them.what is the difference between them?

tiarabubu: @ Rafidi

Muslims get a bashing from the media for the wrong behaviour of a few because the bad guys use the Holy Koran to justify their acts. Or call on the name of God while doing so. For instance, the last release by Boko Haram on the murder of innocent villagers says Christians will know no peace until they revert to Islam! Imagine yourself a non Muslim, what would you think? Be very honest! Or imagine that someone raids a predominantly Muslim community and says the opposite. What would you say?

i do not think two wrongs make a right.as a Shia Muslim myself,from the little i have read and i have witnessed in my lifetime,the Shia have being persecuted by the extremists influenced by wahhabism and the Sunni caliphate more than christians.but does it mean we should bundle all Sunnis and tag them names?

i think the campaign of boko haram is playing well into the hands of christian fanatics as well and helping their evangelization.now that is unfair and propaganda.

On the other hand, when the bomb was dropped on hiroshima did the Americans or the pilot say "in Jesus' name"? When America bombed Iraq it wasn't about Jesus or the Bible. Also, America doesn't project itself as Christian (cos it is not) but seclar, that's why Islam and Muslims enjoy freedoms they wouldn't even find in the middle east or their home countries. Their policies are not based on the Bible but on individual freedoms. Even if their foundation as a country was influenced by Christian principles of equity, faith and freedom.


Do they kkk say Bible verses when carrying out their arson? Even when criminals who claim to follow christianity are caught, they will often attribute their crime to THE DEVIL!!. And the vocal condemnation from Americans themselves shows a variance from a typical reaction from the ummah for crime committed calling on God's name. !

That's the fundamental difference. Muslims must do more to distance themselves from these guys who call on God's name to do despicable stuff.

both the KKK and bush who invaded iraq and even apartheid in south africa had some influence of christianity.however it is true that christianity generally plays lesser role in the lives of christians than islam plays in the lives of muslims.i do not want to go into the argument whether america is christian or secular.i think it is a mixture of both.

as for christians who do every wrong and blame the devil,would it justify me to label all christians as the followers of the devil?

The Wahhabi contributor further mentioned:

Actually most of Iran have accepted the SUnnah of the prophet and
joined the Jamaah before they were forcefuly converted to Rafidhism by
the Safwiyyeen, to show the extent of the strength of the fitnah in
there.

Most people of Persia followed Ahlul-Bayt from the beginning of the
appearance of Islam in that place, eventhough the Umayad and Abbasid
oppressive governments continued to prosecute the followers of Ahlul-Bayt
in Persia, Iraq, Hijaz, and other places.

No body can force a person to convert into another religion, since religion
is in the heart of People and not in ID. Your logic slips away from me when
I see many Arabs inside the Arabian Peninsula (what is now know as the
kingdom of Saudi Arabia) are the Shia of Imam Ali (AS) despite the
oppressive regimes in Hijaz since the early history of Islam. Perhaps you
give me an excuse that Hijaz was a part of Iran at the time!

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter5a/12.html