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Tunnel vision at it's most extreme, wow!

Okay, let me indulge you...

One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.

What would happen if we get down on our
knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, blah blah blah, in Jesus name we pray, Amen.

We pray sincerely, knowing that when God
answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish,
non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

Will anything happen? No. Of course not!

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss.

Could it be that it's all imaginary?

Mintayo: nope,you are not actually getting it,except you are trying to play hide and seek...
my question is not based on assumption!

Okay lets define Assumption.

Assumption can be defined as Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof.

Now let's treat your question again. You asked;

"If God show himself to you,will you still believe Him?"

By opening with the word "if", assumption had already taken effect. You took it for granted, minus my position on the matter that the argument will continue, even without proof.

That is an assumption, mate. A cheek one at that.

There is another aspect of it, but the above will do.

Reyginus: Lolol. Begging the question to reveal itself. You know, I am not contesting the authenticity of anything. You are. And before you say anything is without proof, you also should have a proof that vindicates your statement.
Back to my question.
How come you know so well that He doesn't exists?

Someone asked me a similar question today, which I answered, and shut her up for a while.

Let's hope it will have the same effect on you.

1. Try praying

2. Statistically analyze prayer

3. Look at all historical gods

4. Think about science

5. Read the Bible

6. Ponder God's plan

7. Understand religious delusion

8. Think about Near Death Experiences

9. Understand ambiguity

10. Watch the offering plate

11. Notice that there is no scientific
evidence

12. See the magic

13. Take a look at slavery

14. Examine Jesus' miracles

15. Examine Jesus' resurrection

16. Contemplate the contradictions

17. Think about Leprechauns

18. Imagine heaven

19. Notice that you ignore Jesus

20. Notice your church

21. Understand Jesus' core message

22. Count all the people God wants to
murder

23. Listen to the Doxology

24. Ask why religion causes so many
problems

25. Understand evolution and abiogenesis

26. Notice that the Bible's author is not
"all-knowing"

27. Think about life after death

28. Notice how many gods you reject

29. Think about communion

30. Examine God's sexism

31. Understand that religion is superstition

32. Talk to a theologian

33. Contemplate the crucifixion

34. Examine your health insurance policy

35. Notice Jesus' myopia

36. Realize that God is impossible

37. Think about DNA

38. Contemplate the divorce rate among
Christians

39. Realize that Jesus was a jerk

40. Understand Christian motivations

41. Flip a coin

42. Listen when "God talks"

43. Realize that a "hidden God" is
impossible

44. Think about a Christian housewife

45. Consider Noah's Ark

46. Ponder Pascal's Wager

47. Contemplate Creation

48. Compare prayer to a lucky horseshoe

49. Look at who speaks for God

50. Ask Jesus to appear

Reyginus: Lol. How you think! How come you know so well that it doesn't exist?

And how do you?

Mintayo: me: God exists.
Ray: He doesn't.
Me: He does.
Ray: prove it.until I see him.
Me: ok,but If you see Him will you believe?
Ray: what are you saying? I don't believe in assumption!
Sighs#

#Exactly.

Chibuebem: your puzzle has already been answered before when I spoke to Doc_miss.

Please, humor me and post the explanation again, will you? Thanks.

Mintayo: please don't take it to hard.
You said i should show you God or perhaps God should be seen by you,hence the question 1.
Okay,lets do away with question 2 for now,can you answer question 1,afterall is that not what you want?

You are still missing the point. I don't believe in assumption and that's the very foundation in which your questions were based, hence it's irrelevancy.

Reyginus: What an irrational statement. How can all christains be blind?

Believing in something that doesn't exist and making every decision in life base on a book that contradicts everything logical.

Chibuebem: no we don't.

How does "no we don't" solve the puzzle??

Mintayo: i think it still bowl down to PRIDE.
Now let me ask:
1. If God show himself to you,will you still believe Him?
2. What will you lose by believing in God or that He exists.
(i wld love quivah to answer the above too,sincerely)

All your questions are irrelevant. I made a mistake of rising to the bait at first but it won't happen again, believe me.

Just prove to me that your god exists and then we can continue from there.

Ever heard of this saying? "Don't count your chicks before they're hatched"

Don't forget Manifestation!

Wasn't that the whole point of atheism in the first place?

Just show me god and tell him to make me me taller, and I will revert to Christianity in a micro-second.

Mintayo: That is not true,no christain is blind.
Again nobody is beyond redemption,even you,just call on Jesus,that is what He came to do,REDEEM US!

I laugh in Yiddish

Such delusions!

Please, don't encourage him, quivah. This is not an Islamic thread. The topic is not about Islam.

dareabiola98: That's hipocrisy!!!!....just bring the contradiction now....If there's a deen/scripture that has no flaw in it...its the Qur'an

We will have all the time in the world to debate that when I create a topic for it, but for now we are talking about the Christians...so do yourself a favour and quit being a nuisance. Bugger off!

Mintayo: i can't remember the number of times i read this your post, and eventually the bolded got me thinking and proved that my earlier observation abt athiest was right.
God actually exists,but looking at the word"I" ,you(athiest) just refused to believe,that is you know that God exists deep inside of you,but you just 'refused' or better put 'choose' to believe that He doesnt exists.
One word=PRIDE. (no offense)

To reach a certain point of decision, there is always a reason. To become an atheist, there is a reason, a reason that questions the existence of a supernatural being that couldn't be seen or proved.

When a lightening strikes, you see it, you even know what caused it, so thus lightening can be proved. When a breeze blows, you feel the touch even though it's invisible to the naked eyes. Not believing in all this scientifically proven and physical manifestation of nature could only be construed as foolhardy or pride or just plain foolishness.

Your god on the other hand is not only invisible but doesn't manifest in anyway, so then how could you accuse me of being too proud of admitting that I believed in something that wasn't really there to begin with? Something that is only based on faith and sentiments, and not logic?

How does that make sense?

Appliedmaths.:
We aint arguing bro!, so you're trying to say that we should live our lives as free as we can, doing anything we want cause in the end when we die we just cease to exist? Is that it?

You couldn't have said it any better.

Truth hurts, I know, but you gotta have to make peace with it and accept it, cuz it's the reality.

All Christians are blind, but there is a certain group that is beyond redemption, some call them ROMAN CATHOLICS

Quoting the scriptures doesn't make you right. The bible in itself is FALSE.

Definitely a front page material. Devastating in it's surgical precision.

#Thumbs Up.

I'm not here to make pointless arguments. It's pretty simple, really. When life ends, everything switches off forever. Take it or leave it.

Doc_Miss: The Perfect Balance In Nature Proves there's a God that did not Only create it but also Sustains it

Yours is the perfect example of how religion originated. To satisfy a need.

Too many questions and no plausible answer, then a conclusion that an higher power must be responsible, thus religion was born. A concept that is based solely on faith without an atom of physical or scientific proof, that's religion.

Religion is a myth Sis, your god is grouped together with Zeus, Odin and incredible Hulk...pure fantasy.

Taylor184: alright sir...But sir,is it that you don't believe in the existence of a Supernatural being?Or you just don't believe in the Bible

I believe that there are limitless possibilities, as far as they had been proven or within the range of human comprehension (I'm not that close-minded), but I refuse to believe in the concept of a higher power(s) (Out of sight, out of mind, so to speak).

So the answer to your question is NO, I don't believe in god or gods. I believe that man created the concept of god(s) solely to satisfy a need, nothing more.

Chibuebem: you guys don't seem to understand that i was once a confused religious person like you were.

First and foremost, you dolt, atheism isn't a religion.

Chibuebem: Except i didnt take matters into my own hands. I didn't have time for that. GOD got ahold of me you see. I met God. And i will continue to live for him by his grace.
Don't worry, when God gets ahold of you, you'll understand.

How about this; I was once as confused and deluded as you are, until I got smarter. Then everything became clearer and I realised I was living in bondage. Only fools go about believing in something that ain't there.

Chibuebem: And don't go and start talking too much and fall your hand like plaeton in the other thread.

I let facts speak for me, it's no concern of mine that it threatens your delusions.

Chibuebem: lolz i didn't modify it, i posted twice.
Lol again. You don't know truth. You do not know reality.

We do. We speak of what we have seen and heard, what we have experienced for ourselves. Yet you do not believe us. John said this, Jesus said this also. I say it here. We make these claims friend. More importantly, our lives bear witness to this reality of eternal life.

Please, wake up from that dream world of yours and face reality. You talk like a person on a weed trip, mate.

Doc_Miss: Prove to Me there's no God

Simple.

It is easy to prove to yourself that God is imaginary. The evidence is all around
you. Here are 50 simple proofs:

1. Try praying

2. Statistically analyze prayer

3. Look at all historical gods

4. Think about science

5. Read the Bible

6. Ponder God's plan

7. Understand religious delusion

8. Think about Near Death Experiences

9. Understand ambiguity

10. Watch the offering plate

11. Notice that there is no scientific
evidence

12. See the magic

13. Take a look at slavery

14. Examine Jesus' miracles

15. Examine Jesus' resurrection

16. Contemplate the contradictions

17. Think about Leprechauns

18. Imagine heaven

19. Notice that you ignore Jesus

20. Notice your church

21. Understand Jesus' core message

22. Count all the people God wants to
murder

23. Listen to the Doxology

24. Ask why religion causes so many
problems

25. Understand evolution and abiogenesis

26. Notice that the Bible's author is not
"all-knowing"

27. Think about life after death

28. Notice how many gods you reject

29. Think about communion

30. Examine God's sexism

31. Understand that religion is superstition

32. Talk to a theologian

33. Contemplate the crucifixion

34. Examine your health insurance policy

35. Notice Jesus' myopia

36. Realize that God is impossible

37. Think about DNA

38. Contemplate the divorce rate among
Christians

39. Realize that Jesus was a jerk

40. Understand Christian motivations

41. Flip a coin

42. Listen when "God talks"

43. Realize that a "hidden God" is
impossible

44. Think about a Christian housewife

45. Consider Noah's Ark

46. Ponder Pascal's Wager

47. Contemplate Creation

48. Compare prayer to a lucky horseshoe

49. Look at who speaks for God

50. Ask Jesus to appear

Don't derail my thread, Please.

Taylor184: The word of the cross is Folly to them who are perishing,but to us who are being saved it is the power of God....1st Corinthians 1:18
The Bible is not just a Book,it is filled with power and authority,filled with life and blessings,filled with knowledge and wisdom...If you don't believe in the scriptures sir,you are Doomed already#no offence
But,Jesus loves you,Come to him and you shall have understanding

There are no pacts between Lions and men. Emancipate yourself from mental slavery and be truly free. #NoOffense.

Don't allow the oracle to dictate your destiny for you. You make your own destiny, you set your own fate.

There is no afterlife. If you die, that's it for you. Sayonara, like my Japanese mate like to say.

Ibrahim Mav: I disagree. Every electronics and electrical source became non existent and people struggle to adapt. It set them back to the dark ages again. The series was a good example in my opinion.

Whatever...

It's not an issue.

@Appliedmaths, your body decomposes (or is cremated), and goes back to the earth. That’s all.

A lot of people find that depressing and use that as a reason for believing in god, but they’re confusing their desires with reality.

What you believe does not change what happens after you die. If god does not exist, then there is no afterlife, and that’s just the way it is.

Uyi Iredia: Then I should expect one to be arrested for hate speeches against Christians or deists.

Never gonna happen, so keep living in fools paradise. Remember, it's not an 'hate speech' if it's true...which most are.

Christians and theist in general are cerebral hypocrites.

Chibuebem: keep your blind and wavering faith in the THEORY(its a theory actually, not a law, just in case u didnt notice ) of evolution.
I'll hold tightly to my power yielding faith in Jesus Christ.

Look here mister, scientific theories are anything but blind, and in many instances some had been proven.

Prehistoric Fossils of ancient animals that date back to 220 million years ago had been discovered and documented (proven).

Thanks to science, moon had been proven to be a mere rock that reflects light, not a smaller Sun that shine only at night, like the bible would have us believe.

Scientific theories tells us what causes eclipses (proven).

Scientific theories help discover electricity, In fact electronics device you love so much owed it's origin on scientific theories.

Aeroplane were made to fly, keeping in mind the Newton law of gravity which is a theory, etc.

Look mate, anybody that termed science blind is an ignoramus. Science is all about the reality, proof, fact, all the things that religion contradicts.

Don't you ever equate science with your religion, cuz both have nothing in common whatsoever.

Blind is when you keep faith in something that hides in the shadow of your imagination.