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quivah: [color=#0066000]dear,you'r a Christian oo[/color]

A Christian who is open to the truth, nothing wrong with that. We need more of them.

[size=16pt]Geez!

Christianity massacre.

I'm starting to feel bad for creating this thread...Lol![/size]

Judas2013: Any why is this thread not on front page. Politics?

Apparently.

All the Mods are 'born-again Christians', or have you forgotten?

quivah: judas is here again after betraying Jesus,this time hes here to erase all beliefs of Jesus.
Judas the eraser!!

Funny

Alfa Seltzer: So christians needs you in order to keep their faith. Thay didn't understand what they were doing in the first place?

Apparently, he sees himself as the Pope.

Rev noblefada, If your creation and Adam rubbish are any indication of your bible prowess, then non-Christians are not missing out on anything, believe me. Your arguments are not strong or reasonable enough to be termed as such.

Do you feel justified by spewing this?;

noblefada: you claim there were 2 creations, Gen 1 &2, Nay there was just one creation, Gen 1 creation was essentially done in the Spirit of God, nothing physical, so God finished creating in His Spirit and then brought them to manifestation in the physical in Gen 2, that's why if u read Gen 2 very well, u'll never see the word create but just made and formed

or this?

noblefada: noblefada: another illusion u stated is that Jesus said in one place He is one with the Father and in another place the Father is greater. No contradiction here; u c in nature and substance God and Jesus are the same and represent the same thing but in authority God is greater.

How does the above quotes negate the contradictory nature of the bible?

Spurning a côck and bull story about the spiritual death of Adam was nothing but pure ignorance and desperation.

The second post, you went from saying that God is the same as Jesus to saying that God is greater than Jesus. Confusion at it's peak again.

So I asked you one more time, where did you prove those fictional points you kept referring to?

nnofaith: you didnt answer anything bro! you were just dancing around the ring like mohammed ali!

Muhammad Ali's deftness holds no candle to the way that guy dodge questions, I tell you.

quivah: there is just one thing I know; adam was never meant to die,God dint create man to die.
Death came into existence after they ate the forbidden Fruit,besides God dint mention the day they were gonna die or tell them gna die immediately..after eating the fruit!
"For the day thou eat of it,thou will surely die"
Is diff from "on the day thou eat of it".. blah blah"..
Na dem sabi!!

Proudly Agnostic

Even though, you are an agnostic, you made more sense than all those confused Christians that had contributed so far, put together.

I was expecting them to say that God wasn't intending Adam to die immediately, after eating the fruit, instead, they were spewing "spiritually dead" crap.

Goes to show you that a lot of Christians are really ignorant of things and out of touch with reality.

You still haven't showed me where you made all those points you kept referring to, noblefada. Waiting...

Poverty is more susceptible to religion because of poor man's hunger for sustenance/redemption, which religion superficially offers.

Rich people are more incline to ignore religion than the poor, cuz redemption is no longer required.

That's why the developing countries are more religious than the developed in the real world.

RationalDude: I think poverty would only apply in poorly developed nations.

You hit the hammer right on top of the nail's head. Couldn't agree more.

My contribution is simple.

Being religious is a state of mental bondage. No more free will in it's natural state. Before you make any decision, oracle must be consulted and so on.

So tell me how a country can move forward if some forms of oracles are running the affairs in the shadows.

When the atmosphere is covered in fog, visibility becomes near impossible, cars move around with their head lights on full blast, cars horn hooking here and there to warn any approaching vehicle that another vehicle is just around the corner. That is Religion.

But what if that fog disappears? Everywhere will become visible again. No more need of headlights and constant horn hooking. That is freedom, secularism.

Nigeria is better off without the fog

Alfa Seltzer: Are my questions to hard for the christian mind? Running away, are we?

Obviously. He's intellectually inept.

noblefada: Although I decided not engage u guys in ur folly, just wanted to support @Uyi. Ecc 3:14 KJV says I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

I'm pretty sure If I look hard enough, I will be able to find a contradictory quote to the above...but let's move on.

noblefada: God intended man in Adam to live forever, but when he disobeyed he died spiritually and then physically.

He died spiritually and yet was able to know god's ire towards him after the deed? How could a spiritual dead person hear god, or weren't you the ones that tell anybody who cares to listen that one need to be one with the spirit to converse with God?

Your logic bothers on desperation, mate.

noblefada: Jacob as a person retained his name but concerning thepromise became the nation of Israel.

Genesis 35:10- And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name : and he called his name Israel.

The above verse says otherwise.

noblefada: You see yourself, dodging and frantically trying to save your faces. You can now see why xtians were just avoiding this thread. I made two valid clarifications rather than the Op to do the honourable thing and admit it at least got those version, he simply avoided them

Please, indulge me by showing me where you made your fictional two valid clarifications, and while you are on that, show me where I avoided them? Thanks.

noblefada: and then my friend @Uyi whom I not even sure is a practising xtian right now easily punched some more holes in ur allusions and again what do we see, dodging

You spoke in haste. Look above your post, and see how porous your friends argument turned out to be.

noblefada: Pls my friends, I'll tell you again explaining all ur contradictions above is a very simple thing but I'll choose not to, because u won't admit u were wrong even with a very valid response.

Stop show-boating! Everyone including yourself know that you wouldn't be able to make one logical argument even if your life depended on it.

noblefada: I think I've achieve my aim, to show xtians viewing this thread ur folly, and big thanks to @Uyi for helping out.
Grace to you all

I laugh in Yiddish.

Did you just said you made your point? What point was that again??

I was just seeing your post or I would have tackled it a long time ago.

Anyhoo, better late than never, so here goes...

Uyi Iredia: * On death, the death Adam immediately experienced was a spiritual death (or seperation from harmony with God) and then years later, the physical death, where there was none. Not to mention, that Adam's eventual death can be harmonized with Gen 2:17

Very poor argument. The bible didn't say anything about spiritual death, it made us to understand that Adam would meet his definite end if he were to disobey god's warning, which didn't happen. Stop attaching your own interpretation into what wasn't there.

Uyi Iredia: * On respect of persons, it also isn't contradictory given the punishments God meted out to the Israelites, which punishments you conveniently leave out here, till you want to depict God's evil. The fact God is no respecter of persons doesn't mean he won't respect whom he wants to. It also happens that the contexts are different hence your claims are flawed. The first context was from God's viewpoint. The second was what a person said about God.

Lol! Do you hear yourself? A further prove that there is disharmony between the two, don't you think? If someone said one thing, and a person says another, it's what the dictionary calls contradictions.

Uyi Iredia: * On temptation, the temptation in James is temptation with an evil intent. The temptation of Abraham was actually a test of faith with a good intent. Jesus prayer doesn't contradict insofar it doesn't claim God tempts with an evil intent, to claim so would be the fallacy by implication whereby the implication of a thing is presumed as the thing.

Long story short, you don't have a clue.

Uyi Iredia: * On Jacob, not a contradiction. Calling someone by the former name after switching to a new name is common and normal, I don't think you make claims of contradiction to those cases.

What is this??

God specifically told him in Genesis 35:10 to drop his original name(Jacob) in Old things have passed away, all things have become new, context. In fact it was a command not to be disobeyed.

Then God himself went on to disobey his own command to Jacob by rousing him with the very same name he commanded Jacob not to answer to anymore, and better yet, Jacob disobeyed God's direct command by responding to his former name, thus saying "Here I am."

Contradictions are all in their contradictory splendor between both verses, mate.

Uyi Iredia: *On graven images, it is shown you have comprehension defects, God said the people shouldn't make graven images FOR ONESELF, hence the phrase 'thou shalt not make graven images UNTO THEE'. In the making of cherubims, graven images were made for God at His command. No contradiction.

You are the one that lacked comprehension skills, mate.

Okay, let me try to break it down to your level of understanding;

Exodus 20:4- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Read the bold 3 times until it sinks in, then Google the meaning of Cherubim.

Nuff said.

Uyi Iredia: If this is the poor precedent you set in a bid to discredit the Bible, then I must shake my head in pity. Not to mention that if I were to grant some of your arguments abd point out confutations in your beliefs, you would play deaf.

You shouldn't have bothered, cuz the arguments you posted didn't reflect well on you person, rather it questioned your intelligence.

Saul was slain by God

1 Chronicles 10:14- And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse

Or did he?

1 Samuel 31:4- Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword,
and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.



[i]Judas Iscariot hanged himself

Matthew 27:5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.


The contradiction

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out

Good question there, Alfa Seltzer. Let's watch him shoot himself in the leg again.

dareabiola98: Please Muslim brother.What we are doing here is good but don't let us do it in a wrong way...Al Qur'an say 'and argue with them with beautiful lectures' not abuses and curse...

What is this Mohammadian talking about? Do I look like a Muslim to you. Does this thread seem like an Islam propaganda to discredit Christianity?

No!! This is meant as an anti-religion thread engineered to expose the meaningless of religion.

You think this one is defamatory? Wait, till you see the one I will be posting against your precious Islam in the near future. Your tyrannical presiding Imam is the only obstacle standing in my path, nothing else.

Christianity is even better than your blood-thirty religion in many ways, so don't feel smug that your religion is any better.

[size=16pt]Two Accounts of Creation[/size]

If there is one thing to be said about the Bible, its that it doesn't waste time in contradicting itself. Technically the very first word of the Bible is the beginning of the first contradiction.

The very first thing the Bible covers is creation, and there are two accounts of creation in Genesis...two different accounts.

The first account starts at Genesis 1:1 and ends at Genesis 2:3.

The second account begins at Genesis
2:4 and ends at Genesis 2:25.

Now let's see how they differ.

The order of creation in the first account.

1. Heaven and Earth

2. Light (night and day)

3. Sky

4. Plants

5. Sun, moon, and stars

6. Fish and birds

7. Land animals

8. Man and woman at the same time


The order of creation in the second account

1. Man

2. Plants

3. Birds and land animals

4. Woman

There is a reason to this, as there is for many of the errors in the Bible. The first account originated in a time when man wanted to believe that they were God's pride and joy. That this world was made for mankind. God created everything, and made this nice little place for him to put his masterpiece...man.

The second account is from a time when men were seeking dominance over women, and justified it by saying man was God's original creation, and worked with God in
naming things. Then women were made from a left over part of a man. Women always get dumped on in the Bible.

Errors in the Creation

Aside from the obvious contradictions,
there are just a lot of things in this short section of the Bible that just doesn't make sense.

In Genesis 1:1 it says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.", then later on in Genesis 1:8 it says "And God called the firmament Heaven."

So did he create heaven twice? Are there two heavens?

I thought maybe the first statement was just saying what God did, then it was going to explain in detail how he created heaven and earth...but in Genesis 1:2 the earth has already been created. So I have to believe that there was a double creation of heaven.


On the first day, God created light. No problem there, right? But God didn't
create any sources of light until the forth day. So did he only invent the concept of light on the first day, but no light was around until the forth day?

If he had light, as well as darkness, and light and day...then why did he have to make the sun, moon, and stars?

No matter how you look at the subject of light during the creation, it just doesn't add up.

Sunlight brings us to another problem. We know the sun was created on the forth day...but plants were created on the third day. We know plants require sunlight to live, so why did God make these things in this backwards order?

Now if we take the literal time frame, and a day in creation as being a 24 hour period, the plant thing isn't a real problem...plants can survive 24 hours. But then the whole creation story loses credibility...who really believes the universe was created in less than a week? Not even most creationist believe this one.

That is why many people say that a day in the creation was 1,000 to 7,000 years (depending on who you ask). Name a plant that can live 7,000 years with perfect
conditions...much less with no sunlight.


Its amazing that anyone would try to get this stuff taught in class as a fact, do you believe it, with all of these errors?

noblefada: Thank you for your post, I initially did not want to comment, but I see the guys falling over themselves thinking they've got xtians cornered but I can only laugh because all I can see is gross ignorance.

It's a fact. This is one of those threads that Christians typically make themselves very scarce on. Only one conclusion can be drawn from this; They are cornered. You laughed at your own foolishness and embarrassment, nothing more.

noblefada: Let me tell u guys the bible clearly says as earlier stated that the things of the Spirit are foolishness to unbelievers, look even believers cannot fully understand the scripture if they don't take time to study the bible in the Holy Ghost, how much more folks who just want to discredit it.

It used to be amusing hearing most Christians make this kind of excuse, when they have their backs against the wall.

Now? It's getting old and stale. So better find something new to hide under, cuz this one doesn't sell anymore.

noblefada: Let me tell I can easily explain and clarify all the above seeming contradictions but it will be an exercise in futility! To prove what I just said I'll take just 2

I have already seen your whiz brain in action, and it was a sad experience. Truly, I felt embarrassed for you.

noblefada: The first one is that u claim there were 2 creations, Gen 1 & 2, Nay there was just one creation, Gen 1 creation was essentially done in the Spirit of God, nothing physical, so God finished creating in His Spirit and then brought them to manifestation in the physical in Gen 2, that's why if u read Gen 2 very well, u'll never see the word create but just made and formed:

Lol!

Was this your best excuse? I gotta tell you though, yours is rather refreshing in all of it's uniqueness. In one of my earlier threads, some of the Christians that contributed, denied a second creation, in fact one went as far as to backup his claims with science.

But you, No, you accepted it. Your excuse was hilarious as it was unique. According to you the first creation was an illusion of the actual one that took place from Genesis 2:3.

Frankly speaking, mate, your excuse is the worst one I have heard in a long while. The bible never once mentioned in all the verses in the first chapter of Genesis about the first creation being an illusion, so where did you get that idea from?

I have nothing but contempt for religion, but in that regard, I seemed to know your holy book more than you, and I interprete it better too.

noblefada: another illusion u stated is that Jesus said in one place He is one with the Father and in another place the Father is greater. No contradiction here; u c in nature and substance God and Jesus are the same and represent the same thing but in authority God is greater.

I don't know what you are talking about. Obviously I didn't post anything like that. All the contradictions I posted are loud and clear and self explanatory. All the Christians that saw the damning evidence that condemned their high and mighty bible, took to their heels like the cowards they were.

Why not challenged one of my post, instead of picking the easiest that I didn't even remember posting.

Your hypocrisy is very visible, mate.

noblefada: Let explain, as Nigerians we're all humans, meaning if I want to do a gross anatomy dissection of man, I can pick any man randomly from any where in Nigeria irrespective of tribe and get the same result, but as of authority there can be only one president at a time.

And how does this explain the inconsistency and contradictions in the holy bible??

noblefada: So pls stop all this ur folly, because u don't understand something doesn't mean it cannot be explained!

There is nothing not to understand in the bible. The bible is more literal than you would make people believe. All the contrasting passages I quoted are self explanatory in all their contradictory splendor.

noblefada: As someone rightly said in @uyi iredia's thread on his intention to read the bible; The Bible only shows to u what u want to see, if its contradictions u'll get it, if its a wicked & tyrannical God u will get, but if it is Salvation thru the Grace of our Lord Jesus, its there in abundance!

A typical example of Christian double-standard in full display. You dismissed the contradictions in the bible that are all in their abundance btw, you dismissed the cruelties of God that are numerous in the old testament, then welcomed with open arms the salvation of Jesus that is only witness in the new testament and thus technically not all that abundant.

noblefada: In conclusion, @op n all no matter how u discredit the Bible and God, the gift of salvation is always available for you as long as u have breath, but I admonish u choose life n live. Shallom

What salvation? How can a sane man look for salvation in a book that is obviously penned by men on weeds? Men that couldn't even keep their stories straight and kept on contradicting one another.

No, mate, you need salvation not me. A salvation from that state of mental slavery infamously known as Religion.

4runner does it for me. With V8 engine powered 4runner, you can never go wrong, mate.

First of all, there are 2 different kinds of beggers. The lazy one and the physically handicapped.

Before I part with my money, I always make sure that it's not to the lazy ones, but I don't always give to the handicapped, especially when I'm not in possession of loose change.

And when I don't give, I feel no guilt whatsoever.

Why should I?

teeo: Step by step we would get there. We are accumulating points, It doesn't just happen over night. I believe in the Super Eagles dem sure pass GEJ

@the bold, exactly. In October edition, Nigeria is expected to move up the table while Ghana drop back.

Henry praise: How do u expect us to climb up d ladder wen we bask in local championing winning teams like Burkina Fasa, Gabon, SA, Eritrea, wats wrong in playin Germany, Ghana, england n let sum one may be our ludo team beat dis Uruguans for me.

It's not really the fault of NFF. When a team is ranked outside top 30, there is less probability of attracting top oppositions in friendlies.

Cameroon is prob'bly one of the biggest losers, they dropped 10 places. Nigeria only lost one place and actually moved up in a weird way, thanks to Mali dropping down behind them.

saintvc: WHY DO PEOPLE FEEL THEY DONT NEED GOD

Why do you feel that you need god?

RationalDude: But, have you ever wondered why different humans around the world (who had no previous contact with each other) choose to explain their existence with the concept of a god?

Simple.

Man is naturally a curious being. He questions everything and not finding answers, the questions lead to paranoia, paranoia gave birth to superstition, superstition in turn gave way to man inventing the idea of celestial beings watching his every move. So to appease them he gave offerings, thus religion was born.

Religion is deeply rooted in superstition and paranoia.

Uyi Iredia: I just dey laff ! Lame-brained is saying space has no color, then saying space is black in color, then saying it is 'logical' to say space isn't a color. So far, you seem to be the demented one, good luck understanding that space is nothing.

Why do I even bother?

Okay Lemme try again...

When someone say that something is black, technically it means that that thing is without color. Black is not a color, so by saying that space is black, I wasn't in anyway wrong. so in that assessment, space is technically colorless.

Rather, it's you that is contesting that black is a color, thus space couldn't be black, that is deluded and misinformed.

Like I said earlier, read up. And on that note I hereby close this thread. From here on out, any irrelevant issue will be ignored by moi. Thanks.

Man was born, man asks "why am I alive", Man makes up BS story, BS story spreads like wildfire because people have nothing else to do but tell BS stories.


In a more serious note, we needed answers, and the concept of god filled a massive gap in our knowledge, it's a good thing that science and reason is gradually making that gap disappear.