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smtx:
Have you reviewed Trump's 20-point plan? Lets discuss Israel's objectives, particularly as outlined in points 4, 6, 9, and 13 of that plan.

Before we debate these goals, I want to clarify: is your perspective genuinely concerned with the well-being of ordinary Palestinians, or is it influenced by religious bias or the current trend of political correctness?

Wickedlywicked:
So says our distinguished Nairaland international war and security analyst and expert
No sir, since we all know which side needs this peace talk badly and most, and the party that was being begged, blackmailed with committing genocide and even being threatened for not backing down on its resolve to annihilate the other party, it's safe to conclude that this very party is the clear winner since the peacetalk is even being discussed on his terms.😂 Was it even a war in the first place? It was a one-sided and unfair onslaught that shouldn't have happened. The funny part is that the US even presented it in a threatening manner, ordering Hamas to either agree to the terms or watch the US fold its arms watching Israel deal with them whichever way they so wished. That doesn't sound like a loss to me and every reasonable person, my friend
Someone just told you to accept an offer or he would leave your adversary alone to deal with you however way he wants and you called that a loss for the enemy? 😂😂 C'mon bro, you are wiser than this.

Wickedlywicked:
Yes, they couldn't annihilate Hamas totally because you and many other Muslims around the world were weeping and crying about genocide It's even erroneous to call it a war because it was so one-sided. The proper description should be Israeli occupation of Gaza and Iran. Please next time, don't cry for anybody, let the two parties fight it out and let nobody disturb our hearing with genocide cries🙏🙏🙏

tctrills:
Do you even know the meaning of hostage? If you don't know, ask someone before embarrassing yourself.
Anyway you see that the value of 1 Israeli liife is worth 10 Hamas lives.
Hamas has lost everything they claimed to be fighting for.

Originality007:
Na people like u dey make some innocent Palestinians suffer

donleo92:
Israel no be your mate oooh


There were fighting three wars simultaneously.


Abeg cut cap for that nation.


Them hold Iran for boloks

sagitariusbaby:
Peace at last. At least the terrorists have learnt their bitter lesson. Hamas will be out of governance of Gaza and will finally be done away with. Israel is the undisputed winner here. Congratulations to Israel!!!

Ezeama400:
The massacre of Christians under Tinubu’s watch has swung into into full gear..

Nigerian Christians are in big trouble..

Nigerian Muslims are busy shouting free Palestines,while Christians are being hunted hunted down everyday in the same country they live in

Elusive001:
I Corinthians 1:18 NKJV
[18] For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

I understand why the message of the cross sounds like nonsense to you. You will realise that it is wisdom and truth one day. I only hope that it wo won't be late for you by then

Elusive001:
It is prophesied in the Holy Bible. Many will eschew CHRIST JESUS. Closure of denominations does not translate to backsliding. Being a member of a denomination does not mean being born-again.

As we approach to the time of your 12th Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi, the antichrist, more people will abandon the faith and will be deceived by satan his sponsor.

Matthew 7:13-14 TPT
[13] Enter through the narrow gate because the wide gate and broad path is the way that leads to destruction—nearly everyone chooses that crowded road! [14] The narrow gate and the difficult way leads to eternal life—so few even find it!”

II Thessalonians 2:3 NKJV
[3] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Matthew 24:12 NKJV
[12] And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

II Timothy 3:1-5 NKJV
[1] But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: [2] For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, [3] unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, [4] traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, [5] having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

Helinuse:
After running out of talking points, you believe it’s time to beg me. 🤣

I didn’t mention anything about r a c e. But you did.

The ancestors didn’t become claves because of any reason but for the fact that their culture didn’t provide the necessary tools to survive the SUPERIOR culture of the West. No west African or Central African tribe had a working alphabet or numerical system even up till today. Something the Chinese, English, Egyptians, Inca, Arab, Romans, Spanish, etc had more than 4000 years ago. 😅 Yet you don’t think they are superior.

I’m glad that you are including the a r a b s in your agree ment that they too are rampaged through Africa.

You think superiority comes by taking a stand to “believe” in the superiority? 😅 Just as how you think that Hamas has survived today because of their “willingness” to survived. When in truth, it is because of the leniency and peaceful culture of the Israelis.

Helinuse:
🤣🤣🤣

He has gone to that very phrase that they think helps them win arguments.

Well, this is the mentality: their culture gave us airplanes, mathematics, space travel, automobiles, medicine, science, technology, etc. Dropping a culture that struggles with a snake inside a well (carving a folklore of Hausa bakwai da banza bakwai) for such is worth it. 🤣🤣🤣

It has proven superior as no none of these modern day solutions has been produced by African local culture or those Middle East r3l!g!on.

Disliking something shouldn’t necessarily make one lie against it. Their culture is proven superior.

And yes, you don’t have a response that is why you couldn’t respond.

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Iamzik:
I have not mentioned bible in any of my argument here. So that is purely your own assumption.

Aside from the bible, we have history from thousands of years ago. If isreealis are not the owners of the land then where are the Israelis located on earth today?

And if you don't believe the Bible you will believe the Quaran if you are a Muslim. Palestine was never mentioned in the Quran but Israel was mentioned severally. What does that tell you about the history of the two?

Iamzik:
Ok since you know Israel's intention so well why do you keep supporting Hamas to give them more excuse to continue?

We said release the hostages you their supporters keep justifying why they should keep the hostages.... Can you see that your argument does not make any sense?

Wickedlywicked:
Thanks for this, it shows you are open to learning. You claimed that Israel defeated Hamas in less than a week after Oct 7 but how aren’t you seeing how wrong you sound?
How can you claim to defeat someone who still has your relatives in captivity?
The message and instruction is simple and clear, release the hostages taken and the war would be over. Why is that so hard for Hamas to comply with? Why are we all pretending like it’s not human beings that are held in Hamas’ captivity for almost two years now? Why are we pretending like it’s okay when Hamas kill Israeli civilians but becomes wrong when Israeli military kill Palestinian civilians (collateral casualties) in their effort to catch Hamas who are using them as shields? C’mon, those Israeli killed in Oct 7 and the ones still being held hostage are humans just like you and the Palestinians; they had their own dreams, aspirations, ambitions and futures just like you and I and the Palestinians you are fighting for. What was the sin of that Tanzanian kids that was killed like a dog by Hamas on the street of Israel on Oct 7? Why do you lots tend to be this selectively biased and pretending like it’s all normal? To think you are even African makes it even worse and sad. Again I ask, what was that Tanzanian boy’s sin? Was he also a Jewish infidel? Oh, you mean his life meant nothing since he wasn’t a Palestinian Arab/Muslim?
Many of us won’t be complaining this bitterly if : 1. You are not being biased by condemning both parties for killing and kidnapping and 2: if Hamas had been targeting only equally armed men like themselves.
So tell me, are you saying Hamas can kill an unarmed Jew at will but it becomes a genocide when Israeli forces do the same despite the fact that theirs (Israelis) are even a bit better because their primary targets aren’t always those innocent Palestinians since the deaths caused by Israel are mostly as a result of mistakes since Hamas think the best way to protect themselves is by living in the midst of innocent civilians.
Let me break it down a little more and I would like you to be the judge yourself.
The first party love to intentionally avoid armed counterparts to go after unarmed civilians while the other party enjoys going after armed fighters but heavy civilian deaths are recorded because those armed fighters love using the unarmed civilians as shields to protect themselves but as it stands today, many ‘woke’ people want us to pity the former while condemning the actions of the later for killing civilians while trying to get their targets.
This emotional blackmail isn’t working and will never work on us. We will start taking you seriously when you start condemning both parties equally!

Helinuse:
🤣🤣🤣

Oh dear, it’s difficult being in the shoes of one thing so hard to make the Arabs look nice while making the West look bad.

They left their language and culture intact not because there was not clave trade but because the character of the conquerors (the West) was shaped by their religion and need for commerce.

Their religion gave us the freedom to choose acceptance or rejection unlike what the Arabs presented to North Africa.
Their culture (language, traditions, style, proved to be more superior and showed prospect for growth, that is why a lot of people accepted it and it was never forced on anyone. Unlike the Arabs and Northern Africa/Nigeria.

And those who took it were proven right. Arabic and the local languages have proven not to be able to complement the fast paced growth of human civilization. The growth of Arabic stopped where the expansionist from the Middle East stopped. But English is still growing up till today.

Iamzik:
After October 7 there is no more distinction between hamas and Palestinians

Are hamas members from a different planet? Are they not from the same Palestinian population? What are you saying sef?

Chief if you call for an election in Gaza today. Palestinians will vote for Hamas again so what are you talking about?

Where were those so called Palestinians when hamas was building tunnel and bomb under their schools and hospitals?

Sentiment and victim mentality does not win wars. In war there are no emotions ...If you launch a rocket at me from a hospital then the hospital becomes a legitimate target.

If you love these Palestinians so much you will advice them to release the Israeli hostages because without doing that isreal will have a legitimate excuse to overrun Gaza.

It is stupid to pick a fight you cannot win

Iamzik:
They are not brave. They are stupid, plain and simple.

It is stupidity and foolishness to start a battle you can never win. Shouting genocide upandan will not help them. Release hostages, No. Peace deal, No. Disarm, No. They said they want to destroy Israel and make Jerusalem their capital....an absolute pipe dream in this life and the life to come.

If you are a supporter of Hamas you better advise them to wake up to reality

Wickedlywicked:
Brave? Are you really sure about this? If they are truly brave, why then are they crying and blackmailing Israel with their usual “genocide” claims? Two people are fighting and each is sustaining and recording casualties but it’s only one side that is claiming genocide. Since they aren’t afraid of death according to you, they should accept it in good faith and stop disturbing our peace with their cries!

Helinuse:
In case you don’t know, ALL of that Middle East was under the very colonial masters that colonized that “our African ancestors.”

But you must just talk
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Ezeama400:
US saying peace plan is to make it sound more diplomatic…

This clown doesn’t have option, accept it or get ready to face your nemesis

NothingDoMe:
Hamas hates the peace plan! 😅

safarifarms:
Interesting.

So if your grandparents were Nigerians and relocated to Iran and your father happens to be born there, he looses being Nigerian and likewise you if you were also born there.