Abuzola:


. . .  Do you need the verse that Jesus first miracle was to turn water into wine, and at the last supper he had a wine?

@Abuzola

- Abu

Nope

Thanks but no thanks

Abuzola:


I hate liars. Which kind example Jesus taught, to be single till the end of your life or to consume wine

- his first miracle was wine and last super he took a wine,

Jesus said he came to spread sword so why will you only take God for granted and say God was tempted so as to set example for us.

Too bad. A God that died crying Mathew 27:46, so why oh why

@Abuzola

- Abu

Aw Abu though he can obnoxious at times, don't you still just like him eh?

To be honest am beginning to warm to you, mind you, not that I had ever resented you . . .

For someone that is very observant, I am referring to you noticing wine at the start & at the end of Jesus' ministry . . .

you have a myopic understanding of "how satani carried Jesus"

Theology isnt your forte anyway, so its understandable. We know your shortcomings so we'll let it roll

Have you ever hacked planned or schemed a crime in your mind from start to finish

but the only thing that stopped you executing the crime was remembering CSI episodes . . .

It all happened in the head didnt it . . .

Thats what satani does plays and tries to mess with your mind . . .

Imagine how vulnerable one will be, if one is left in a desert without food & water for 40 days & 40 nights

Majority wont last 3 days before they start behaving funnyly

The "bread to stone", "jump from the mountain" & "worship me" were all mind games that He didnt give in to, friend

Olabowale:


@Simmy: « #75 on: Yesterday at 03:31:32 PM »
Take off your opague glasses my man. There is no where that Jesus said that these men served him, before he was born. There was no verse in the Bible that pointed to any of them saying that he served Jesus. They said, always that their Lord God the Creator was unique, and very much unlike human. Jesus was human, at one point was unknown. God was always known. Jesus was born and helpless at one time. God was never in either positions. God was always in authority. Jesus was at one time not in authority. God was never helpless and needed any anyone. Jesus was helpless at least needing his mother. God never was humiliated. Read your Bible, it recorded the humilation suffered by Jesus from the hand of Jewish gangsters who you said hung him! God never dies. You said that Jesus died when he was nailed to the cross!

Moses who heard the voice of his Lord through the burning bush which the vegetation was not consumed, he did not see God! Jesus was seen by many many people; as a child, helpless in mom's hand. At the toddler and preteenager age. At the ages of up to the point that he became strong enough to fend for himself. Even then, we read that he asked people for food! Is any of the things that I point your heart to to reflect upon about Jesus the Quality of the Cherisher of all creations? Of course not!

Your claim that Jesus was God is of your own desire and there is no truth to it!

@ Olabowale

- Olabowale

I haven't had the liberty of personally welcoming you back from your sabbatical . . .  

Welcome back bro . . . Nice to have you back, to have you back is nice . . .

Couple of questions please . . .

1) Is there anything impossible for GOD?

2) Is GOD too proud to be "humiliated" coining your phrase?

3) Is it impossible for GOD to turn up legally & operate on earth the right way for that matter?

4) Is it impossible for GOD to render Himself vulnerable to the point of weakness for example?

5) Is it impossible for GOD to become a "Son of man" & be subjected to the whims & mercy of man?

6) Is it impossible for GOD to be in more than one place at the same time?

7) Is GOD omnipotent at all? . . .

Lets go over these sevens for now . . .

GEW:


Tithing 101. Do Nigerians like paying for anything or obeying any rule for that matter?

Have still not got anyone telling me how to fund the church and ministries they so willingly enjoy.

Is it a case of you all fund it and I come enjoy becos I am free loading sanctimonious Nigerians.

Pastor AIO:


Eucharistos is as often as I drink it, in remembrance of HIM (His imperial Majesty).

JeSoul:


lol . . . no qualms brother, you know I still got you .

I just wanted for us all to be clear on what exactly we're saying

as we can either lead many astray or lead them to freedom in Christ.

You have explained yourself so I will save the koboko for the next time

@JeSoul

- JeSoul

Jay Its not easy, not easy at all . . .

Some things can't necessarily be drop for public consumption just like that . . .

Timing, opportunities, the person offered the information etc have to be right

Peeps are still wrestling & struggling with 10%

Whats going to happen when they get presented with the bigger picture & the reality

When the boat is pushed out, am testament of the responses & marvels of Jehovah Jireh . . .

Only Him can build up faith & direct one enough to step out of the boat

Its a journey. And we're getting there . . . 

Maybe slowly, with the odd hitches but certainly we're getting there surely

JeSoul:


Recognise,
 
My brotha you know I love you right? 

but I'm going to have to whip you if I see you . . . lol

This is my problem with many pro-tithers.

Are you somehow insinuating that those who don't tithe don't have "big faith"?

and that we somehow are lacking in something tithers have attained?

And how did 10% become the "starting point"? for who?

Who's to say the "starting point" for another's choice to tithe is not 5%? or 1%?

Isn't this all about faith and not rules of engagement?

What are all these rules and laws and "standards" some pro-tithers are again instituting upon christians when we have been freed from these rigid following of laws?

I choose not to tithe by faith!

Because my faith frees me from a ritualistic, systematic, cyclic procedure of giving a certain amount

- hence I give as I decide in my heart (2 Cor 9).

Your faith frees you to adopt the systematic giving of 10% and there is nothing wrong with that!

We all believe differently and that is okay (please read Romans 14).

What is wrong is when pro-tithers think themselves spiritually superior enough to project their own personal convictions on tithing to become the standard for other christians.

This is wrong my brother, wrong.

@JeSoul

- JeSoul

Jay! My sista, my sista from another mother

You wan lash agbalagbi  . . .

On a serious note, rewind, do a double check & read between/behind the lines of my posting

Notice I mentioned that just like most things in the OT,

tithing inclusive is a foreshadow of the real thing

You'll notice I didnt explicitly advocate 10% and didnt respond to any one in particular

That was deliberate because it's not about tithing at all,

Not the very least, if anyone thought so,

then they've got I beg your pardon, a myopic understanding

Tithing has gone by its sell by date 

In the real sense  the issue is not about tithing, I could have used 0.5%; 1%; 2% etc

I used 10% in my posting & contributed according to the posting subject matter (i.e. tithing; 10%)

Yup one can start with less than 10% but rule of thumb, ideally, 10%,  is preferable if serious & sincere IMHO

Whether its 0.5%; 1%; 2% or 10%,

its still boils down to faith & how much faith muscle one able/wants to flex

Wake up and smell the coffee, issue hasnt got anything to do with tithing baby . . .

The goal post has been widen & moved since when the temple curtains got ripped

Its according one's faith & yup as you rightly said according to how the Spirit leads one . . . ^{. . . Not one's heart . . .}

"To be tight" or "not to be tight"

- That is the question most are wrestling with. Not 10% or whatever

Dont fight me Sis We are in the same team & corner

Pro-tither? Me? Not me

Tithing is old school. Tithing is limiting. Measly sorry-ass 10%. Pathetic ^{. . . where is the faith}

The picture is bigger than tithing men

and the soil is bigger than the "church"

Hey any superiority complex claim is a figment of an imagination & unfounded

The little faith issue shouldnt be misconstrued as a negativity

A journey of a thousand steps starts with the first little step, isnt it?

Little faith has potentials to be an amazing mind-blowing faith if flexed . . .

We were MERELY just stoking the fire . . .

and throwing the knowledge know-to-have-an-edge out there

Pastor AIO:


So is there anybody on this planet that can qualify to be a pastor.

Me personally, my biggest downfall will be the 'not given to wine' part.

I am extremely partial to generous quantities of Christ's blood.

@Pastor AIO

- Pastor AIO

". . . is there anybody on this planet that can qualify to be a pastor?" you asked

Yup there is; the criteria is there, all qualify if they so desire . . . 

The clarion call is out for all albeit few are chosen

You reckon personally, that your biggest downfall will be the "not given to wine" part

There's nothing wrong with having the odd tipple now & then

Inasmuch as its taken in moderation, not abnormally used (i.e. not abused)

Also if taken for the right reasons, at the right moment, and its right by or with GOD;

now if all the former are/were met at the same time, its not an issue, its no biggie.

You wanna "shayo"?

Check out how to shack yourself up christian style Hoo-la-la-la!

Check this out: Geting drunk in the Spirit & not in wine

Ephesians 5:18:


[size=16pt]King James Version (KJV)
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Don't destroy yourself by getting drunk, but let the Spirit fill your life.

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but ever be filled and stimulated with the [Holy] Spirit.[/size]

@Pastor AIO

- Pastor AIO

First lets rewind . . .  

Because I cook, it doesnt necessarily mean am a chef

Because my neighbours cook, it doesnt necessarily make them chefs

My Mum cooks delectable & mouth-watering meals, still doesnt necessarily make her a chef . . .

My mate dons a chef's hat when cooking, that too doesnt necessarily make my mate a chef

Having a dog's collar round the neck doesnt necessarily make one a pastor

Capisce?

Pastor AIO:


Please everybody, what is the criteria to be a pastor?

Can pastorhood just be revoked like that? Na wa o!. . .

@Pastor AIO

- Pastor AIO

In a well known church that we all are somehow one way or the other too familiar with  

by and large the resident "pastors" are career (i.e. in a line of business) pastors soughting a meal ticket

They are not the genuine article

Criteria? you asked Pastor AIO

I'll show you criteria  . . .

Check out the biblical qualifications from 1 Timothy 3 (NIV) that makes a pastor <sup>NIV 

1</sup> . . . If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task.

² Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

³ not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

⁴ He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect.

⁵ (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?)

⁶ He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.

⁷ He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.

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The following are the decisive factors that make a pastor

A desire to serve - a pastor should be called by God and should want to serve (this is reinforced by the apostle Peter in his first epistle)

Blameless - calls to mind Pilate's verdict on Jesus: "I find no fault in this man."

Husband of one wife - no polygamists or bigamists allowed

Temperate - self-disciplined

Sober-minded - contemplative and not given to irrational or irresponsible thinking / behavior

Good behavior - self-explanatory

Hospitable - friendly, compassionate, and welcoming

Able to teach - kind of an obvious one

Not given to wine - a modern day application would involve any form of substance abuse (liquor, drugs, etc)

Not violent - wife-beaters need not apply, nor should anyone that is abusive

Not greedy for money - this disqualifies a great deal of most pastors out there!

Gentle and not quarrelsome - there goes Fred Phelps and quite a few more firebrand, judgmental ultra-fundamentalists!

Not covetous - includes previous admonition against greed, but also encompasses other kinds of covetousness (such as looking at other men's wives, etc.)

One who rules his own house well - if the pastor can't take care of his own family or properly raise his own kids, he's not qualified

Not a "novice" - the pastor should be spiritually and emotionally mature and at least a little seasoned and educated

and last but not the least Solid testimony and reputation

Pastor AIO:


And people say I'm not a pastor because I don't 'sound like a pastor'. so that is a criteria?

Make dem commot jare.

@Pastor AIO

- Pastor AIO



Just because one cooks at home doesn't make one a chef

Daji31:


Recognise

The point I was driving at is the fact that God chose to die before same God will perform an act of forgiveness.

Is this reasonable if He has power over all things and can decide to proclaim forgiveness and it stands.

Why coose to die? Was that His only option and He could not do otherwise?

Abuzola:


Why is it that you never answer question directly instead going round the table. I bow for u. Igwe !

@Abuzola

- Abu

Igwe!? You got that right. Yup am royalty!! Ah-ha!!!

Who are you? What are you? 

List the questions you asked that were dodged or not answered

I dare you to quote or reference them here . . .

None! Rather its you that's dodging and darting . . .

Not once have you responded whether you want to face the truth

Possibly due to pride, ego or not wanting to loose face

You can play the Nicodemus card

That's another "get out of jail free card" for you hombre 

Abuzola:


Recognise aka pinkylady, shame on you for not giving a cogent answer to Daji's question.

Christian god died once, who resurrected him remains the hard question.

The biggest shame is jesus did not resurrect on the 3rd day, 3 days and 3 nights,

instead it was friday to early sunday instead of monday equals to two days

@Abuzola

- Abu

You're just been absurd with your unfounded claims . . .

Pinkylady will respond to you in her own time when back online during the week from the office . . .

Abu hey, you're catching up and it seems we are slowly but surely getting there somehow

Dont rush it. Let's take it a step at a time. Yeah?

Why sprint when you havent even learnt to crawl talkless walk . . .

You really want to know who resurrected Jesus?

We've made a bit of progress so far. Not bad Abu, not bad at all

Dont fall on your laurels though, there's a lot of more truth you need to face . . .

Daji31?

Daji31's question was "Whose plan?"

Obviously God's plan. that goes without saying. Daji31 was just playing ignorance there

Its Daji31's call . . . the ball's in his court

Daji31:


According to plan? I dont really get it. Whose plan?

If God has power over death, how come he has to die to achieve something?

Was he trying to commit suicide to impress His creatures or do some kind of magic.

For death to overcome any God simply implies that the God has no authority over death

or simply enjoys dying.

@Daji31

- Daji31

Ha-Ah! Ha-ah!! . . . 

Was he trying to commit suicide to impress His creatures or do some kind of magic.?

Nope to both

Dont you know?

Its a sin to commit suicide and "whoever" that died isnt going to commit suicide

Furthermore God doesnt do magic, ,

Oh no! there's no kick in it, He leaves that for the magicians

Death didnt overcome "God" That's actually the contrary.

Death? Death couldnt even take "God" out the irony, it's funny

God enjoy dying?

Err, em, you're kinda right, in a way. Yeah enjoyed dying for a purpose.

It was a bitter pill, but hey someone had to take and swallow it.

And hey stop been silly. What you mean by "trying to impress his creatures?"

Do you impress you inventions or acquisitions?

Anyway have you got the time, temperance and self-restraint to face the truth?

Are you prepared to handle the truth?

Can you look truth in the face and accept it? hmm?

If you are, you better strap yourself up. Could be a bumpy ride! . . .

Jagoon:


@riff-raff

It is your father that is a cretin

and I am quite certain he is utterly ashamed of having a deluded and idiotic fool like you as a child.

Stupid slowpoke like you.

@Jagoon


- Jagoon

Haba! Wetin concern fish with raincoat now

Wetin hin papa do una for dis matter? Nothing now, so why the papa yapis?

And by the way, what slowpoke number hin get sef

Because hin be say, imbeciles get am for numbers according to the below video ooo 

Abuzola:


Jazakhallahu

Delusion . . . 

Reward indeed

Abuzola:


@Bobbyaf, must you lie to defend jesu, if he is God then why dying not being a god, your answer is questionable

@Abuzola

- Abu

Are you sure of who died?

Are you 100% on that?

Your response is/was God

Is that your final answer?

Or do you want to call a friend to check?

Maybe you want to gamble?

Let me know what it is; the soonest

If you're going for gambling,

dont forget your wellies because you'll likely end up in the deep ends 

Jagoon:


@Recognise

Imagine addressing yourself and a deluded fellow like Olaadegbu as lords,

that is actually very unchristlike and arrogant,

I actually thought you were a more enlightened christian than that.

@Jagoon

- Jagoon

You sound like a pharisee "Far-to-see"

You certainly must be familiar with the phrase "Lord of Lords"

Who is Lord and who are the Lords?

Pot Kettle Black

OLAADEGBU:


The Word of God has always been under attack right from the Garden of Eden. 

Check the link below to see how this dastardly act is being carried in contemporary days, even as we speak.

http://www.chick.com/tractimages33733/0031/0031_22.gif

@OLAADEGBU

- OLAADEGBU; peer and fellow lord

That website was very detailed & informative . . .

Couldnt help not noticing the below extracted snapshot;

its part of the website but its taken out to display here

http://www.chick.com/tractimages63936/0031/0031_22.gif

It actually touched on 1 John 5:7 and the famous footnotes

Muhsin:


@David,

Help me differentiate the two quite synonymous words "slave" and "servant"?

Just wanna know. Thanks

@Muhsin

- Muhsin

I'll step in for Davidylan temporarily to answer that until when he comes online

Except in terms of serving, its a misconception that "Slave" and "Servant" have the same or a similar meaning

a "Slave" is a "Servant" but this is not vice versa

Slave - Not a free person; held in bondage to another person & who involuntarily serves the person without pay or kind

Servant - free person and who voluntarily serves or does services to/for another person for pay or kind

Abuzola:


Why are you running away because i expose you.

Come lets solve the quest on God dying and resurrecting himself

@Abuzola

Abu

You must have thought you are clever, huh?

I sussed you out light years ago. I know who created Pinky Lady

It was you and not me

The trickery and duplicity is all your doing

Am not shocked you stooped so low with that sly hairbrained scam

Its aiight, I understand you took a bite

and that you bitten more than you can chew

No sweat, here is a "get out of jail free" card . . .

Take it and run along

Go do something, go bother someone else or play with yourself

Way back in post #21; I already knew you were a time waster and distraction

Abuzola:


@Recognise, why not use one ID and stop distracting I,

Post your question again and be explicit

@Abuzola

- Abu

Distracting you? You dont half gratify and flatter yourself, huh?

I knew you weren't ripe for the big league yet

I rest my case . . . Run along . . . Sayōnara.

Abuzola:


Wonders shall never end ! I just read something and before am back pinkylady post had disappeared.

By God who created me pinky mistakenly used that ID instead of Recognise,

final conclusion: Recognise is Pinkylady, let the whole world know

Abuzola:


So you use two ID, Recognise and pinkylady, God don catch you

@Abuzola

- Abu

Two IDs for you? Dont flatter yourself 

You are getting unnecessarily paranoid

Am almost getting worried for you . . .

Boo! - only joking

What are your answers to post #12 and #21 huh?

Why are you dilly dallying . . .

Abuzola:


God never die, thats for sure.

It is God who created death, death cannot dare take God. Think wisely

@Abuzola

Abu

You've got me up in stitches

"God" did die and it was according to plan . .

and hey, you're actually spot on & right that death cannot dare take God. True true

But do know how death took "God", do you know how it came about?

Keep on coming. . . Hope you brought along your wellies though

Listen am sounding like a broken record now,

you still havent come back with answers to post #12 and #21

Abuzola:


If God died, then he is breathless, how on earth can a dead thing perform any single duty ?

Your signature is terrible, you are of how to die ba ? Why not hang yourself or stab yourself

@Abuzola

- Abu

You are wavering and coming across as a time waster cum distraction

I do recall earlier hinting you that your theology is questionable.

I also recall intimating you that you arent prepared for the truth yet . . .

My signature? You mean this

"While I thought I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die."

It's an appended quotation and not a or my signature, 

Is it a bit over your head? No probs I understand

You still have left an earlier question unanswered  . . .

Remember the below

Recognise to Abuzola Today at 01:56:46 AM:


You only just said it now, that God created Death

Nonetheless thanks for the answer, better late than never I've heard people say

Right we've agreed God created DEATH

if that's the case whats the gripe over then

I hope you aren't limiting God,

I hope you arent insinuating that God has no power over death or are you?

Anyway are you sure that who died; using your response; was God?

Is that your final answer?

Or do you want to call a friend to check?

Or do you want to gamble?

Let me know what it is the soonest

Bring your wellies if you're gambling because we'll likely end up in deep ends

It'll come in handy then

Abuzola:


@Recog. GOD's power is unlimited

@Abuzola

- Abu

Welcome back

Happy to hear you admit GOD's power is unlimited . . .

By your admission, there is nothing impossible for Him to do. Yeah?

In that respect, if GOD created DEATH, as you've earlier testified

we can safely deduct from your testimony, that when He died, He has the power to resurrect Himself

i.e. He has the power to rise from the dead and return to life.

So what is your hang up all about?. . .  eh?

Abuzola:


I said God created Death

@Abuzola

Abu?! Abu?!! No you didnt.

You only just said it now, that God created Death

Nonetheless thanks for the answer, better late than never I've heard people say

Right we've agreed God created DEATH

if that's the case whats the gripe over then

I hope you aren't limiting God,

I hope you arent insinuating that God has no power over death or are you?

Anyway are you sure that who died; using your response; was God?

Is that your final answer?

Or do you want to call a friend to check?

Or do you want to gamble?

Let me know what it is the soonest

Bring you wellies if you're gambling because we'll likely end up in deep ends

It'll come in handy then