Abuzola:


The answer is God. But the Bible said God died and resurrected

Abuzola:


Don't be confuse,

God can do many things and at the same time, if God die then he is lifeless, who then resurrected him ?

Compare-
A transformer provide power to different apartment,

if the transformer stop working i.e dies, is it going to repair itself or need a mechanic ?

So that means it was satan or angels that resurrected him, I think we are making sense

@Abuzola

- Abu

Making sense?

With that gibberish, you showed yourself up man. I almost had an attack of hysteria.

By the way who created DEATH?

And also, who died?

Please I need a name, give me the name of who died, and give it fast

Abuzola:


I feel like slapping you people when you put word into jesus mouth.

Jesus never rule the world but claim to come back to do so even the Book of hadith support this,

Jesus was a man and a slave of Allah.

@Recognise, I agree God is on one place, are you now telling me that God died? If so then who ressurrected him

@Abuzola

- Abuzola

Abu you can't handle the truth, you aren't ready to yet  . . .

Is anything impossible for God?

Is it beyond God to be at two places at the same time? I ask again . . .

Abuzola:


Mary did you know that henceforth you are the wife of god ? Jesus the son of god.

Mary did you know that you are the mother of god ? Jesus as son of god.

Mary did you know that jesus will die in pieces? Matthew 27:46.

Mary did you know that you saw the penis of god while bathing him when he was a kid or baby?

Mary did you know that you groom god who was childish at his younger age?

Mary did you know that you circumcise god?

What a heavenly God

christianity and lies

@Abuzola

- Abuzola

You'll grasp sooner or later . . . 

God hasnt got your hang ups . . .

"Humility is not thinking less of yourself but rather thinking of yourself less"

Is it beyond God to be at two places at the same time?

Is anything impossible for God?

You dont know half of it . . .

so take a chill pill for your mockery and sniggers.

Davidylan:


the "tourist guide" photo is obviously from a movie. That is Femi Black.

JeSoul taken from What Is A Familiar Spirit? on August 08, 2009, 10:13 PM:


. . . But I wouldn't trade the ease of understanding & simplicity of versions like the NIV for the KJV . . .

@JeSoul

- Jay

Then just one line below

"I personally consider it the best phrase-for-phrase translation available today"

he pulled the rug under the proverbial feet and said

"However, its major flaw is its simplicity of language"

We are on the same side

It was your quotation up there,

that got my goat not in biggie way though  Just a rattle

The question was "Is it corrupt?"

Of course it is but it still doesnt stop us picking it up alongside or in parallel with other translations . . .

White flag? . . .

At least the cat has been let out of the bag

Daniel B. Wallace - Bible Translation]

New International Version (NIV)

The NIV was published in 1978. It may be considered a counterpart to the NEB - New English Bible
(The NEB is strictly a British product, while the NIV is an international product).

It is more of a phrase-for-phrase translation than a word-for-word translation.

The translators were generally more conservative than those who worked on the NEB.

I personally consider it the best phrase-for-phrase translation available today.

However, its major flaw is its simplicity of language.

The editors wanted to make sure it was easy to read.

In achieving this goal, they often sacrificed accuracy.

In the New Testament, sentences are shortened, subordination of thought is lost,

and conjunctions are often deleted.

for SOURCE: Click here

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[quote author=Alimat 2:


Greetings,

As a non xtian who want to convert which bible will u recommend for me?

But I thought the bible is just one?

Thanks

JeSoul:


Alleged Perverison #2: The NIV perverts the virgin birth. Luke 2:33

KJV-
And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

NIV-
The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.

Bone of contention? NIV says "Father" KJV says "Joseph. Quote from the website: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/niv_exposed.htm 

Seriously? I'll let the readers judge for themselves if this is a serious enough offense by the NIV.

By the way, we should also chastise Mary for refering to Joseph as Jesus's father in yes the KJV:

Luke 2:48
And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

@JeSoul

Jay! Please!!

Stop, you've stepped in it again and am hurting . . .

I keep re-writing my responses because I dont want to come across as brash

Are you trying to pull wool over our eyes, hmm?

or recklessly and desperately looking for cheap pot shots without any regard to caution?

You called to chastise Mary for refering to Joseph as Jesus's father, yeah?

Why didnt read and study Luke 2 in context and properly instead of zeroing on Luke 2:33 and Luke 2:48 alone

Mary hadnt a clue, and Jesus corrected her already

Didnt you notice that Jesus corrected his Mum in Luke 2:49-51 and they still werent the wiser . . .

Luke 2:49-51:


⁴⁸And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

⁴⁹And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

⁵⁰And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

⁵¹And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

JeSoul:


. . . Okay so are you saying the NIV is okay for some people but not for others?

I don't want to misunderstand you . .

@JeSoul

- JeSoul

Its OK for all and sundry to use

as in, if all and sundry are aware it's dodgy and arent naive enough to think its harmless . . .

Its akin to carrying a bag full of explosives,

Its either you'll be careful with the bag once you're aware of the explosives in it or let go off it

We havent covered grounds at all, in fact we haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg yet

This is a can of wriggly rotten worms, it aint goody two-shoes . . .

You said ". . . I will miss and forget certain ones especially the ones I don't use or hear often or are not used in the version I use often . . ."

Funningly enough thats one of the agendas and objectives of NIV and Rubert Murdoch the owner achieved

to remove phrases such as familiar spirits from the Bible to suck the non suspecting public to psychics, mediums etc

JeSoul today 10t Aug 2009:


You're right Matt 18:11 does not 'exist' in the NIV bible. BUT before you smile in false victory  . . .

@^ Muwhahaha . . . 

We're anxiously awaiting your findings & the outcome of the other verses . . . 

Revelation 1:10-11:


New International Version (NIV)
¹⁰ On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

¹¹ which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

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King James Version (KJV)
¹⁰ I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

¹¹ Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

JeSoul:


. . .  Can we discuss what exactly the problems are with the NIV bible compared to the KJV?

. . .  had this debate . . .  in the past and my conclusion

was that the 'differences' or 'omissions' to me are not nearly enough to dismiss the NIV

hence why I still continue to use it.

I attribute those problems to translational or transcriptional errors or shortcomings

- not necessarily a conspiracy to water down the word of God

and I don't see how the NIV presents a different or manipulated gospel from the KJV.

. . . christians your input is more than welcome.

I like the manner you selectively quote and chose your responses

How did you manage to miss the below and not address it as well

[center]" . . . Trust me NIV is corrupt and perverted

It is lethal and dangerous if in the hands of those that dont know or are naive"[/center] 

Have you not noticed that no one has grasped the bull by the horns

and come out to prove or refute Is The NIV Bible Corrupt?

I'll reiterate or paraphrase that the NIV Bible is corrupt because it is dishonest.

It contains undesirable changes in meanings and/or blantant outright errors

It introduced misleading and deliberate ommissions,

an example is "familiar spirits" albeit inspite of it, you are now familiar with the phrase, excuse the pun

We've heard that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God"

One would have thought, yeah a trivial thing such as familiar spirits would be in HIV Sorry NIV

Jay please can you publish here what  the following verses say from your NIV:

1) Matthew 18:11
2) Matthew 17:21
3) Mark 15:28
4) John 5:4
5) Acts 8:37
6) Romans 16:24

Disclaimer! Weather check, you're due for a disappointment because you wouldnt find such verses in HIV NIV.

You think KJV is Kings English What you gonna say if you were reading Chaucers

As I say I used NIV, with caution, extreme caution for that matter . . .

I walk on water and dont sink because I know where the stones are   ^{an old Joke about the Pastor, Padre & Rabbi fishing on a lake . . .}

NIV is a loaded gun left in the wrong hands, its lethal and can be fatal . . .  

KISS- keeping it short & simple

JeSoul taken from What Is A Familiar Spirit? on August 08, 2009, 10:13 PM:


. . . But I wouldn't trade the ease of understanding & simplicity of versions like the NIV for the KJV.

Is The NIV Bible Corrupt?

Yes it is and the evidences are abound

Someone has to say it if no one else yet, is prepared to admit it

Having said that incidentally, it doesnt stop me using it

since I use it with caution; Aye, extreme caution.

Oddly enough, back in the days when I couldnt come to grips with KJV

it was NIV that I used to blitz the Bible through back to back.

So in fairness,  NIV put me in good stead & prepared me to grasp KJV afterwards

The ". . . wouldn't trade versions like the NIV for the KJV . . ."

gave the impression that NIV is what you exclusively use

The unawareness of familiar spirits fuelled further the presumption

KJV, once gotten the hang off, is a doodle

The key is to use it inconjunction & in parallel with other translations

Whenever the bones are about to choke, dont hesistate, just spit them out literally . . .

Pastor AIO?

Jay dont let the title or office razzmatazz you. Thats all I'll say about that . . .

By the way, those in the know, understand that "Suffer little childre to come unto me” and the likes

means "Tolerate, allow endure or permit little children to come unto me"

Trust me NIV is corrupt and perverted

It is lethal and dangerous if in the hands of those that dont know or are naive

Imhotep:


Jesus was sacrificed through the instrumentality of very religious people.

Pagans like Pontius Pilate tried to save Jesus from these religious people. . .  and failed . . .

@ Imhotep

- Imhotep

With all due respect and without malice your ". . . humble opinion" is going on a tangent here . . .

Jesus was sacrified? Yeah? . . .

So what? What's the big deal? Whats new?

Didn't  He come down to be sacrified in the first place? Huh? 

Your so called "religious people" inadvertently played into God's hands plan

and Pilate thought he was all that, that he was Mighty Mr Big Man but he hadnt had a farthing clue pft

Imhotep:


Adeboye might sack him. But God will never sack him. . . "The Lord is close to the broken-hearted, "


Quote ==> Religious people have a natural tendency to be CRUEL.

Because they easily sacrifice PERSONS for the advancement of a PURPOSE.

@Imhotep

- Imhotep

Do you really think so or know that as a fact? . . .

Mind you God is no respecter of PERSONS . . .

What you have to say about God sacrificing His Son for the advancement of a PURPOSE . . . 

[b]@ the Nay[/b]s

Hear hear. Totally

[b]@ the  Yea[/b]s

To appease a guilty conscience and authenticity,

they search  & seek the bible for unfounded backings, loopholes, opt-out-on-a-technicality etc  to justify their blantant disregard of the obvious

The Bible correctly stated the man is no longer bound . . .

Yes! but it also fell short of considering and/or allowing remarrying for the man,

it actually as a matter of fact, was silent, as to whether the man can remarry

We all know the famous quotation "Its not good for man to be alone . . . "

God will give the grace, to be, in this case able to be alone until when things turn around for the good . . .

Yeah, it's better for these lot to have self-control and to make up their minds not to marry

If they want to remarry, then they'll have to wish their ex dead

but hey they dont want to wish that, or would they

Imagine if the other party (i.e. the woman) does eventually find the Lord, properly; and now wants back

but hey firigbon has remarried someone else, what a tidy mess, the whole thing becomes . . .

As a believer you are obliged to let go of a non-believer if they want to opt out

this is because God had called us to peace

The letting go is not a licence for remarrying

It's a bitter pill alright , but one has to swallow it, literally

1 Corinthians 7:12-17:


1 Corinthians 7:12-17

King James Version (KJV)

¹²But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

¹³And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

¹⁴For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

¹⁵But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

¹⁶For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

¹⁷But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

JeSoul:


  . . . be suprised at how many things I don't know .

That's why we need other believers around so we can sharpen each other

and you've sharpened me just a lil bit today .

You're right in that the KJV is the "purest" of translations

and a lot of the time the power with which certain phrases were spoken

get watered down with each new translation.

But I wouldn't trade the ease of understanding & simplicity of versions like the NIV for the KJV.

Funny enough I was "brought up" with the KJV so I know all my memory verses in KJV lol.

But yeah there's much merit to using all versions during study

. . . something I should apparently do more of

. . . thrilled you enjoy the music . . . blessing to hear.

. . . shoot me your email address and I'll send you some. Godbless!

@JeSoul

- JeSoul

Why would anyone use the NIV and use it exclusively for that matter?

Jay, am not quite sure how to gently drop this . . .

I'll hint you anyway and give you pointers that NIV is dodgy when used all by itself . . .

If you know half the story, you'll probably be wary of the NIV and likely drop it like a hot potato

NIV is to be used with caution, extreme caution ^{. . . - reiterating by "eating NIV the chicken & spitting out the bones"}

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According to Wikipedia.org, the New International Bible (NIV) is the most popular Bible version today. 

What Zondervan Publishers won't DARE tell you is that they are OWNED by Harper Collins,

who also publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex. 

Doesn't it seem odd to anyone and a love for Christ that the world's largest Bible publisher (Zondervan) is owned by the same company, HarperCollins, that publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex." 

Every pastor and Christian using the NIV are supporting these demonic publications. 

For an idea of the perversions of NIV (i.e. the New International perversion) Click here

JeSoul:


Well I'll be damned . . .

I haven't seen the exact phrase before

because I am guilty of being an unrepentant NIV user which does not use the term 'familiar'.

But yeah thanks for setting me straight.

@JeSoul

- JeSoul

Jay its aiight! . . .

Was surprised at your oversight considering your knack with the word

but hey the ommission is making sense now that you admitted the NIV partiality,  

I use all available translations/versions to gain an almost comprehensive idea of what's usually happening . . .

I lay them out in parallel, and literally "chew up the chicken & spit out the bones" if you know what I mean

To be honest with you, KJV is your best bet, yep can be a pain at times to comprehend and/or follow

but when used inconjunction with other translations the scales fall off

By the way I've been a long admirer of your music . . . its brilliant

and your postings/responses among a list of other posters, I ardently follow, check and read . . . 

PS: Also know you were joking but still you aint damned, and need to watch that because:

Proverbs 6:2 (KJV) - Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

Something like if you dont mean it, dont say or think it like fingers tongue has the power of life and death

JeSoul:


Krayola,
    I didn't know either how that term came to be, it is not in the bible . . .

Leviticus 19:31:


Leviticus 19:31

King James Version (KJV)
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them:
I am the LORD your God.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Don't make yourselves disgusting to me by going to people who claim they can talk to the dead.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
`Ye do not turn unto those having familiar spirits;
and unto wizards ye do not seek, for uncleanness by them; I [am] Jehovah your God.

Leviticus 20:6:


Leviticus 20:6

King James Version (KJV)
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits,
and after wizards, to go a whoring after them,
I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
I will be your enemy if you go to someone who claims to speak with the dead,
and I will destroy you from among my people.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
And the person who turneth unto those having familiar spirits,
and unto the wizards, to go a-whoring after them, I have even set My face against that person,
and cut him off from the midst of his people.

Deuteronomy 18:10-11:


Deuteronomy 18:10-11

King James Version (KJV)
¹⁰There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire,
or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

¹¹ Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

1 Samuel 28:7:


1 Samuel 28:7

King James Version (KJV)
Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit,
that I may go to her, and enquire of her.
And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

2 Kings 23:24:


2 Kings 23:24

King James Version (KJV)
Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols,
and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away,
that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book
that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.

Isaiah 8:19:


Isaiah 8:19

King James Version (KJV)
And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Aloy_Emeka:


Recognise, . . . Na you de take force align our name with that British guy.

This guy no be Naija at all at all and we neither know him nor does he look like typical Naija man.

His mother may be jamaican sef.

Corspecops.com:


Prison nurse caught smuggling drugs and alcohol for inmates has been jailed for three and a half years. Olawale Jibona, 51, had cannabis resin worth £1,500, a two-litre bottle of whisky disguised as cola and packs of sleeping pills favoured by heroin addicts for the high they produce. 

The married father of two, a nurse for 24 years, was stopped by security staff as he returned to work after his lunch break at HMP Brixton.

He was clutching a carrier bag containing a 123 gram block of cannabis resin with a street value of £500. Inside the prison it would have been worth three times that figure, Southwark crown court heard. He also had a Diet Pepsi bottle which was 97 per cent full of whisky with just a small amount of cola to colour the liquid, and stuck to the outside of the bottle were 28 tablets of insomnia drug Zopiclone. The prescription-only medicine, sold in the UK as Zimovane, "heightens euphoria when ingested together with alcohol" and is known to addicts as "zim-zims", said Andrew Mazibrada, prosecuting.

[size=19pt]Nigerian-born Jibona, a Dutch citizen who moved to the UK in 1998,[/size] is a registered mental health nurse who has been employed by the prison service since 2003.

He pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing to possessing a class B drug with intent to supply and wilful misconduct in public office on 24 April.

Jibona, of Peckham, now faces the prospect of being struck off the Nursing & Midwifery Council Register.

[size=18pt] for SOURCE:Click here[/size]

Sorry for dropping a fly in your ointment . . .

Aloy_Emeka:


Where did the article say he is Nigerian?. The guy na correct British.

Kshow1:


need not to say more , they want to soil our name.

. . . Nigerian-born Jibona, a Dutch citizen who moved to the UK in 1998, is a registered mental health nurse who has been employed by the prison service since 2003.

He pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing to possessing a class B drug with intent to supply and wilful misconduct in public office on 24 April.

Jibona, of Peckham, now faces the prospect of being struck off the Nursing & Midwifery Council Register

for SOURCE: Click here

@Aloy_Emeka & Kshow1

British!? Soil una name!!?

Me? I go yarn . . . I go say more . . . 

I know y'all wouldnt wanna claim him now talkless touching him with a barge pole . . .

Nevertheless "omo wa ni" . . .

Even if una no sabi ocean, you nefa chop salf for food?

Pesin wey no sabi elephant, hin go sabi elephant's trunk call naw . . .

Sorry for dropping a fly on your ice cream . . .

Take it from me, the bros be thoroughbred true-born-naija . . .

Spikedcylinder omitted LOL:


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Recognise Posted on August 01, 2009, 08:53 PM:


. . . and hunches why people, possibly weren't keen or looking forward to Methuselah dying

@^

Yep! Hint was in the above quotes 

People dreaded when he'll die cos of potentially what was going to happen

- The flood