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[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=815768.msg9694382#msg9694382 date=1323060532]haha now i'm laughing  .
I used lol to express that his action was funny (in an ironic way)

that's what he means to you. I take it you're igbo.

yeah RIP to d man[/quote]Na I am not. take a guess. I am sure you are from Bayelsa or delta/Edo or the SW.

So Ghanians Loved Ojukwu.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=815768.msg9694359#msg9694359 date=1323059690]this is exactly my impression as well. minus the "burn in hell" part.
I see him as a [i]would have been [/i]dictator.
also imagine he came back from exile and ran for Nigerian presidency twice!! lol This is a guy who put lives of millions at stake to fight a war against Nigeria.
what are his principles?
It would be nice to see a recent biography about him.

how many unbiased obituaries/eulogies have you read?[/quote]Abi na cry be that?

What else do you people want?
Ojukwu means freedom, justice, equity.
Allow the man be for Allah's sake!
Oya go to bed.

^ ^^^ why are you laughing like ori eja?

^^^^^Enyia, which one is Ojukwuism?

We go soon call boko haram spokesperson to come tell us how ojukwu help shape their future.

BY DOTUN IBIWOYE
The accolades totally outweigh any criticism about the late Dim Odumegwu-Ojukwu, in the eyes of the former Minister of Information, Chief Alex Akinyele. In this interview on the legacies of Ojukwu, Akinyele also bared his mind on some other national issues including national security, corruption among others. Excerpts:

Where would you place the late Odumegwu Ojukwu in the nation’s history?

[b]Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu might be wrongly misunderstood by many people, but I don’t fall within that category. I saw Ojukwu as a Nigerian. He was every sense a Nigerian. Whether you think of his activities and non activities with respect to the Biafra-Nigerian civil war. The fact that he came back after his exile and went into political activities to vote as a Nigerian shows that he is truly a Nigerian.

From the point of view of what he did in the Nigerian- Biafran conflict, he showed that he was a couragous man who laid the foundation for the agitation of the minority interests in Nigeria. He is man who could fight hard to achieve an objective. The first objective might not be in the general interest of Nigeria but you can see the good intentions in his fight.

Also, he fights for the general interest of Nigerians and everyone can see the fighting spirit, like a good soldier.

In 1998 when I went to Enugu as part of the National Reconciliation committee, he presented a paper to the audience. That paper was the best paper that we got in that committee. When you read the paper, you will see that he is passionately in love with one Nigeria. But at the same time, he made attempts for the people who fought the war, he felt that Nigerians who fought in the Biafran war should be compensated, which was a great idea.

You talk as if you knew him personally and had regard for his agitations?

You talk about people according to the way they relate to you. When my wife died, he came to pay a condolence visit to me. He consoled me and pacified me and spoke to me for 30 minutes in my sitting room. I was really impressed because I never knew that he had such patience, for him to stand by me and encourage me to move on with life, was really helpful.

I respect his, perseverance and approach to nationals issues which made him unique among his peers. Since he married the most beautiful woman in Nigeria, he was a good family man.

The lessons that Nigerians should learn from him is that no matter what your country does to you, don’t go to war against your country.

We also have to commend the effort of the former president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, Alhaji Shehu Shagari who gave him a soft landing to his fatherland. He received him back and settled him in the language of reconciliation.

Ojukwu did not abuse the reconciliation. He honoured it. We thank Shagari for bringing back that kind of Nigerian to the fold of Nigerians. What we have to learn from him or to appreciate, is that whatever difficulties or differences that we have in our country, our country is still our country.

How do you situate these differences you mention in the emergence of Boko Haram that has led to the prosecution of Senator?

The security issue is so serious that it is enough to make all of us shiver. A senator of the federal republic! One of the highest offices in Nigeria and one of them is charged with treason! In fact, I want to say that all those of them who are in the National Assembly should bear part of the shame. That one of us can turn round against the fatherland?

I hope that they will not make a mess of the case in court. It baffles me and it baffles many people. How safe are we?

These Boko Haram people tell you that they will strike at any place that they want to strike, and they strike there. There is nobody to stop them. That was why President Goodluck Jonathan made a mockery of our national award by giving one to the Inspector General of Police. What for? What is the meaning of that?
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The police is not doing their best to save us in this country. And the way they distribute policemen to senators, assembly men here and there as if they are so jobless.

I went to see a friend, he is just a politician and there were three of them (policemen) there!

There was a time that I visited my friend, he was then the chairman of PDP, his house was like a police barrack – as if the country does not know what to do with the policemen we train. That is why 30 people were recently killed in Jos, 10 people killed by armed robbers in Ogun State last week. So who is safe?

A logical and reasonable distribution of policemen will address the question of insecurity. But they are in the houses of these politicians, they carry plates, they drive their cars, they drive their wives. They are like house boys.

The Inspector General of Police should look into that. And whatever he observes let him write the Senate. The policemen have lost their identities, they have lost their pride, they are like house boys. They follow their bosses to parties and when their bosses are drinking, they are also drinking and they send them errands there in the party. The girl friends of the senators also send them on errand. They have really downgraded our police.

How can you expect the best from a police force which has been so downgraded? So we need a rethink in this country. What we have, we don’t know how to use. Our police have gone round the world, they come back with medals, but we who own them do not know how to use them. We still treat them like house boys, errand boys, it is unfair.

What is your take on the plea bargain method adopted by the EFCC?

What is called plea bargain? It is the most corrupt way to dispense justice. When it started, I was alarmed and it was a shame that all of us opened our eyes wide when they were going with their plea bargain. There is no degree of honesty. Somebody who has stolen money? It may be ten thousand or one million naira. Basically he is a rogue. Treat him like a rogue. Why pamper them? Why say, “Alright you have stolen billions, say you are sorry. Give back about ten naira to the government and they themselves will take some for themselves.”

It is an abuse of the rule of law. Abuse of the rule of justice of fair play, abuse of the integrity of the court. It shouldn’t have happened and when it happened, I was so shocked that I stopped talking or commenting on EFCC.

I am surprised that the great minds in this country did not see it. I am surprised that they allowed it to happen at all. I am also surprised that they allowed it to happen in more than one case. When it happened in another case people would have raised alarm and it would have been better. Whatever happened, it is already in our records that those who are called upon to fight crime, to fight corruption are themselves assisting and encouraging corruption with plea bargain.

So what do you think is the way out?

One of the reasons that Farida Waziri was sacked was because of this plea bargain. She is a lawyer, she is a top police officer, she should not have allowed it, talk less of executing it. I must confess, I have respect for her, she is my friend and I like her very much and there was a time I was supporting her with my views as expressed in the papers. But immediately this plea bargaining started, I was surprised. It could have happened under somebody else, not Farida.

Does that imply that the President made the right decision in sacking her?

We all know that the president has good intentions. He is a godly man, he is a lucky man, always dancing around him are the apostles of the devil so he needs a greater heart not to shame God. If he was appointed by God and he is there now, you should know that anybody that is anointed by God’s will is the target of devils.

The way that some of these governors are looting the treasury and being set free is also worrying. They don’t start to steal at the second term, they start stealing from the time they get there, right from day one, because they know that they might not be elected again.

So if the second term doesn’t come, they carry on with their business. It is a pity in this country. Sunny Ade said that the problem that money will bring, money will not be able to cure it. Nigerians love and craze for money will definitely destroy this country eventually.

It seems as if nobody is too big nobody is too highly placed not to steal. Where are we heading in this country?

What does anybody want to do with it excess money. It does not exempt you from death, it does not exempt you from being sick and it does not exempt you from having cancer. They just destroy themselves, destroy their reputation and they destroy Nigeria alongside. That is the most pitiable part of this craze for money. It is a pity.

What is your assessment of the recent national awards, does it still have its credibility?

From my assessment it has nothing called credibility. When you line them up and take a selection of ten of the awardees, you will discover that six of them are looters and unpatriotic people. Where is the integrity? That was why I have expressed an opinion that the president should begin to think from next time, he should write out list of those to be awarded. He should give the list to the Nigerian public. If anyone has anything against any of these people, let us know. Then they will be appointed by all of us.

If that does not seem to suit them, then send the list to the EFCC, SSS, ICPC are these people honest, can you clear them, and tell us if they have criminal records. We want to know more about these people inside and outside. When they say yes as they confirm their names, the president can give them awards. But when you give rogues…

I told you that there is no degree of honesty. You are either honest or dishonest. Not you saying that your own degree of dishonesty is manageable, I stole only NI.1 billion. It is not acceptable. There is no comparison. A rogue is a rogue. If the president will do that, it will be very good for the country and therefore, if you have a national award offered to you everybody will respect it, not only Nigerians will respect you, people outside Nigeria will respect you. When you go to the UK, the US and other western countries, you will be sorry for Nigeria the way people talk about the values that we hold dear to ourselves.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/ojukwu-was-in-love-with-one-nigeria-akinyele/

Dede is good too.


I also nominate myself. Nwa ogalanya! Eze umu nwanyi! Achikota 1 of NL.

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[quote author=musiwa,,. link=topic=817508.msg9693100#msg9693100 date=1323031998]when i stop posting on nairaland,  nairaland internet traffic drop by nearly 30% that should tell you what it means.  because the lifes of millions of nigeria depend on what I do , with does satellite picture. and decision made in Nigeria by the government.  if you dont believe, by the grace of God I can make them call national strike on Jonathan Goodluck govt. By that same grace of God. I can make them overthrown Jonathan Goodluck govt,. I have help in removing state governors before in nigeria. that should tell you the grace of God in my life.[/quote]Oba has spoken! Listen!

[flash=400,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhbJs26SjNw[/flash]


Oya listen to Ojukwu speak Yoruba. This is to make some people happy.

Ileke kindly put my name off that list thank you.

I am the Oba of Yorubaland on NL. Musiwa is the Chief of General staff!
Wetin self!!!

Make una no fight o. I am sure this will the front page very soon.

I would nominate GENBUHARI not because He supports Buhari but because He's never fighting with the rascals from both sides.


But I will vote for Beaf if GenBuhari is not considered.
This is not Naija election but NL. Haba1
Beaf single-handedly put so many people under during the campaign.
He came, He saw and He conquered.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=814161.msg9691411#msg9691411 date=1323013856]Beg for it ? Where did you get that from

As I said Ojukwu should have engaged the FG at that time to do something about the kiilling. It is not necessary begging

We were still under fedralism or jsut recently left fedralism, thus each region saw the other as another country but the Igbos did not see it like that back then which was very patriotic and mature of them.

Needless to say, we the new generation should not do anything that would cause thousands to die again, We should always seek diplomatic means. I understand the angry and the sense of unfairness on the minds of the igbos on this site but most of you on this site are not being objective which is understandable.

It is a lesson we all can learn from.[/quote]Are you serious all the stuff about Ojukwu engaging the FG in several discussions skipped your demented head?
As usual I do not expect anything from you.
You Bigot!

For those Igbo people who say Igbo dont crown women as EZEs(King), I hope you all will read Nwando Achebe's research of a Woman who was king in Igboland during the colonial era.

It's for sale on Amazon.

Here's the book,
The Female King of Colonial Nigeria: Ahebi Ugbabe

By Nwando Achebe


This is Enugu in the Nsukka area, so it was in old Nsukka division. She's actually from a town called Umuida. I conducted at the least 150 interviews with people in her community. I met with her descendants. She didn't have any biological children of her own. One of the fascinating things is she was not a queen, she was a king, because in Igboland gender is - actually in much of Africa - gender is fluid and flexible so that you can be born biologically female but become a man and that's what happened with her. She was made king by the Atta of Igalaland.

I visited the son of the Atta that made her king and I asked, in Umuida they are saying she became king, how does a woman become king? I just wanted to make sure, and they said: yes. He said his aunt who was the king's sister said: yes, in fact my brother made her king. And I asked: why do you make a woman king? And if you go back in Igala history, their very first Atta, the king of Igalaland was a woman, a female king. They've never had another female king so they had a precedent for making a woman king and they made her king.

So I talk about transformation, gender transformation; even though she's born biologically female she's become a man in several categories of manhood. The first category was when she became a Head Man which was under the British system, then she moved to become a warrant chief which was defined as male; then she moved to become a king which is also male. It was her fourth gender transformation that did her in; when she decided she wanted to become a masked spirit.

Read more here

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5739331-146/story.csp


http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=406796

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=814161.msg9690501#msg9690501 date=1323003144]God Bless you for this. Only if people can read and understand

You are one of the few that understand The baifra war. It was greed, and an arrogance filled war that caused 3 million lives to be lost.

Ojukwu should ask himself why he took the non-baifra igbo area along with baifra

He should also ask why he wanted to annex Lagos, ogun and Ondo to baifra

Why did he invade the mid-west and kill Millions of Itsekiri, Bini, Esan, Usan, Urhobo, etc unless he knew of the presence of the oil there.

Why did he not jut go with the Igbo speaking areas ?

smh, so much for heroism[/quote]You be one heediiot and will always be one regardless of what you think about yourself.
your lies stinks to hell, you born troway mumu.

queensmith:
God is going to bless you for this;
you put down my stance on the Biafran War.
After reading random journals and various ethnically biased opinios on the war, especially listening to friends and relatives from the south. I came to my own conclusion that the war most likely began due to greed and that arrogance is never a way to solve community situations.
No1 its not an unknown fact the igbos only decided they were regionally of any sort of value after the sudden oil discovery. Just like the killings by the criminal coups in 66 it was a matter of trying to assert your dominace. Like animals scrambling to become the King of the Kingdom.
I understood all that was written in the journals written by Effiong. I do not support or belive in war, it never solves anything and just serves as a playground for the coldhearted and blood thirsty (obama) to play games with real lives. However I must mention, all that was mentioned in the journals describes the situatiuon during the war and  thereby clearly not justifying the cause. Its simply consequence, fine they were beaten starved and brutally mistreated but thats not the reason you started war? We know very well those that were for the biafran war could not care less about the biafran people and were simply protecting monetary interests (oil) with the bristish simply trying to enslave the world like they always do.
I still dont see how Ojukwu ever thought he will win? War was definitely not the way out, and in the end he fled! like a goat! why people continue to praise him is absolutely beyond me! He lead people to thier death traps!
Unfortunately Nigerians will always blindly follow ethnic loyalties instead of logical and analytical thinking and this is what is destroying the country (example the he goat we call president).(the baboon we used to call president)
I do understand igbos thinking this man was a hero; but its the wrong thought, his legacies died way before he did, massacre and war continues in the country, Gowon had the last laugh and where are we today in terms of ethnic solidarity? People need to pull this ethnic cotton wool out of thier eyes and see plain sense!

lol
FYI, Gowon will regret all the days of his life.
Two, I wish your people will get massacred and I will wait to see your reaction.
I hope you loose your property and I will also love to see your reaction.
You are just as ignorant as the next mumu poster.
How can you see injustice and as a leader you allow it persist.
Ojukwu would have joined the group of thieves if He wanted to. He had the power and the will to but He obeyed his conscience to do the right
thing. He forfeited all the good things of life to protect his and all you could come up with is absolute trash.
I will put you in same group of one of those people who fail and turn away when injustice stares you right in the face.
You could also join the thieves to steal and devour your household.
Ojukwu never in his life stole anything from anyone but gave his all to defend and demand justice.
I dont expect any sensible talk from you anyways.
You have a dark and wicked soul.

KDULAR:
I try as much as possible to refrain from commenting on issues that borders on  IGBOS  (maybe some especially on NL and even in reality ) hating my people so much that some of then have become so blind to seeing the obvious. During my service year I was a CLO with 2 Ibo chicks( both confidential secretaries) , an Akwa Ibom lawyer , a Delta Igbo guy economist and a Hausa doctor  in the  Corper's lodge. I remember that being the CLO and also a medical personnel, I was earning far more than everybody there coupled with the fact that I used my influence to organised some lesson classes which I made the parents to pay weekly and every teacher ( corps member) were paid according to the number of hours imputed also getting some extra official incentives for each and everyone of us with the local govt. The ladies were always scpetical and non trusting despite that they were not initially in the considerations as the parents only wanted science and commercial related lessons but I had to make a case so that these girls will be involved.( their allowance was a meagre 2000 from the local govt and me and the other doctor were on 48k while me was on a total of 55k outside others).

I could not believe that these girls were still non trusting and was making allegations behind me that I was collecting more money from the parents than I'm declaring to them !!!.  Until one day, I asked one of them to collect the weeekly dues from the parents when I travelled to the state capital on official assignment. Even when they knew the truth, one was still carrrying on with all sorts of allegations that after investigations were baseless . most of this I didn't know. Along the line one of them and the Delta Igbo guy told me hoha! that the reason main and only why Ebele totally hated my guts was just because I am Yoruba !! even  if I cut my head and give her, she'll not like anything I do for her.

What Am I saying ? No matter what, some people will continue to dislike and hate you for no reason or baseless reasons  even in the face of the truth. It is not peculiar to some sets of people though but it is really appalling for NL none entities (faceless and nameless) not known for any  good or progressive in  their immediate neighbourhood still perpetrating such debasing acts and disrespect for people that they think in their small minds  are their heroes do not disrespect but infact trusted and eulogised . It makes me wonder what sort of human being they are really.
I never in my entire small life ever heard read or see  Ikemba portrayed anybody he was with as a traitor because they were trained and know what it means to be a traitor. I'm even begining to think thst  non- Igbos tend to respect and regard some Igbo leaders based on issues and not sentimentality and gra-gra. More than the Igbos themselves cause I cannot fathom how you call somebody your leader elder ( not others declaring them for you)  and you don't respect their opinions and some actions even when you don't understand the wisdom of such !! People like that are definitely are going to be bad (don't wanna use worse) compared to their predecessor and will definitely self destruct. The more you blame the more you''l hate and the more you become blind to see and the more you loose the game.

I THINK IT'S RATHER HIGH TIME TO MOVE ON AND STOP THIS BLAME /  DISTRUST/ DISRESPECT/ DISREGARD GAME  for a better stronger cohesive , virile and INDEPENDENT NDIGBO .

@ 9ja- i - hail. I think it's better you speak for your family or village . You word does not in this case does not show a consesus of the Edo, Delta, Akwa Ibom, Cross River,Rivers and Bayelsa.
Actions for a long time now has really shown who is and still happy with the way Nigeria is and by the voting pattern and party allignment

Your stories are personal. It goes both ways. There are Igbo vs Igbo fights likewise Yoruba vs Yoruba fights.

Niger delta is a big place and very diverse. There are different groups that would support either of the two bigger ethnic groups.

CyberG:
^^^ Thank you and as someone who has lived and been to almost every part of Nigeria, I never get this kind of vibe! All my Igbo chicks been they roll tight and this NL things na wah o but I think a lot of them have been lied to and can not use their own brains to read, understand and dissect issues. Some of them are even old and married while young guns here take them to school everyday and they get mad, why? I still got friends here and whenever someone even slightly suggests tribe, I ask them immediately about the situation where Nigerian leaders never remember their tribe when they are sharing the money in the executive, legislative, judiciary and others but you working honestly and trying to live a normal life is deceived? But well as you said some people cannot and will not change on tribalism.

There's nothing to lie about as we face reality today. Abi you self blind?

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=817241.msg9688709#msg9688709 date=1322974500]They should start conducting background checks and ethnic profiling, which should be followed by massive clamp down and deportation of Non-SW origins to their various state.[/quote]So you mean they don't pay tax? I think the UK should also start the massive deportation of Nigerians @peckham.

Now whoever wrote and posted that crap there needs to be in jail!

Is Tinubu corrupt? Yes or No?i will pull out recent accusations if you want me to.
I will also want you to trash every issue raised one after the order. You game?
Anyways, I am going to bed jare.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=817200.msg9689299#msg9689299 date=1322985012]Whatever, Enjoy the pictures of the Yoruba men.

Or you can help post more pixs like chyz is doing.

LOL Igbo boys and their gazing eyes for Yoruba boys. [/quote]Naaa, give me any girl from any corner of the earth. so gbo.


@Ijaw girl, tamuno soki.

Onwe onye asa owerri muna ya ne me ihe ndi agadi ne me na bedroom. lol.
O onye owerri town.
N gwa gi aha nna ya, i ge ti nkpu.
Chei! ukwu nwanyi owerri na no ka sugar!

^^^^
I know those places in the pics.
That's HRM, Ukandu in the pics.

Every body in government is corrupt or tends towards corruption as far Nigeria is concerned?
Now, Is Tinibu the owner of Oriental hotel? Yes or No.
Is Tinubu the owner of First Nation airline?

1025:
@relax101,
please permit me to shame for u bcs i don confirm say u no dey shame.
if a man is a drug baron and a fruad, why are u asking where he got his money from? give me a 419 and a drug baron and i will go for the two join together instead of having anything to do with pdp. pdp are criminals at the highest order eg - bode george and alams. the are cultist and blood suckers - u know the annenih and obj combinations now. name just one pdp member with a clean record. like i said, no matter the crimes of any man, that same man will be judged as a saint compare to the stories of pdp and their gang members.
pdp is a mess and a regret. please do not compare any living being with these pdp that have long lost their morals.
when a man that sleeps with his own daughter inlaw is the leader of a party, u know what it means. who is even sure that obasanjo is not sleeping with iyabo his daughter?

haha, you wey dey very frustrated. Ever since your oga Atiku lost to Jona, na wahala you just give everybody. So you support make Tinubu dey Lagos money. You be thief!

^^^^ WTF do you think you talking to? You think say I no know who you be. Just respect yourself!
What lies are yu talking about?
Ojukwu this and that will run you down!
Stop this madness!

By Udeme Clement
INTERVIEW IN BRIEF
Dr. Shamsuddeen Usman is the Minister, National Planning Commission, Chairman of the Steering Committee on Vision 20:2020 and immediate past Minister of Finance.

The first Nigerian Minister to publicly declare his assets before assuming office as a public officer, Dr. Usman, in this interview explains why people get public service appointments and appear to have lost capacity to deliver, and the possible benefits from the removal of subsidy.

Being a minister you should be able to sincerely answer this question: Why do many people who have so much energy and ideas enter into government and simply become something else – they talk differently, see things differently?


Shamsuddeen Usman
Well, I do not know of any. I know of many people who are full of ideas and when they get into government become much more active. For instance, look at the constitution of the present cabinet.

They are people who have the capacity to turn the economy around for greater productivity. There are probably some constraints because sometimes the public service machinery does not move as fast as the private sector does. But that again is the nature of public service. The issues of accountability and democratic system.

For instance, you can not just spend money that is not budgeted for. You can not do things that are illegal. If you want certain things to be done, you have the appropriate legislation to back what you want to do. So, sometimes these things seem like people are slow. They are not slow in any way. To the extent that you are pursuing appropriate legislation, to the extent that you are working, it does not mean you are slow.

I am very optimistic about this country for a number of reasons. For example, I grew up at a time when things worked. When you got admitted into a University on merit. I got admitted into schools by sitting down to write examination. While in the University then people came to interview students for jobs. The trains were running, electricity was not wide spread but it was constant. What made us to get things right in those days were leadership and commitments. I am optimistic because it has been done by other countries. Countries have been transformed within 10 to 20 years, but with efforts, strategic planning, commitments, leadership and implementation.

Is vision 20:2020 realisable considering the high level of poverty and unemployment in the economy?

Vision 20:2020 blueprint is a perspective plan target set by the government to guide in its macro economic policies aimed at achieving rapid economic development. It is important for a country to set ambitious target for its economy. More importantly, some people misunderstand the concept of the Vision.

The blueprint of the Vision answers the question on what policies, programmes, projects and actions that the three tiers of government, the private sector and individual Nigerians can do to reposition the economy for optimum production. The Vision anchors on specific targets such as, by 2020, GDP of not less than $900billion. People, per capita income of not less than $4,000 per annum, growth aimed at improving the quality of life of the citizens, the people fundamental reason for growth and achieving inclusiveness, equity and balanced development in the economy.

This talk of double digit growth, which way for Nigeria?

When we did the calculations and projections in 2009, clearly we needed a double digit growth of about 13.5 per cent but that was an average over a 12 year period at the time. Obviously the projection that time was that the top 20 economies were also going to continue growing at the pace that they were growing at that time.

But with the global economic crisis, many of them are not growing as fast as expected and many of them are growing negatively. But we are moving faster and if we continue with this pace and higher, the prospect of being among the top 20 economies will become much easier.

We are working now on calculating the figures. So, it does not actually require double digit growth rate. Mathematically, if an economy is growing at seven per cent and above, it means it is going to double the size of the economy.

Assuming by 2020, we double the size of the economy, that is still a remarkable achievement. I believe we can do even better. There are many sectors of the economy with enormous potentials to be harnessed. For instance, the telecom sector is growing at the rate of 35 per cent per annum. The agricultural sector which was between eight and nine per cent is going close to 10 per cent with little that is being done.

So, with agricultural revolution that the Minister is now talking about, clearly, this is a sector that will soon move into double digit. One problem with our growth is that it has not impacted very much on employment and majority of the people. Unfortunately the poverty rate is still high in Nigeria and that is what Mr. President is trying to tackle with the transformation agenda.

Why is the economy growing at eight percent without creating jobs, it would be difficult to explain this to the average Nigerian or does it mean Nigeria is experiencing a jobless growth?

There are certain types of growth that are not jobs creating, depending on which sectors are growing. The oil industry for example is not a big employer, though it is a big contributor to revenue, foreign exchange and Gross Domestic Product (GDP). That is why the focus of government is to identify those sectors with greater potentials for employment generation such as agriculture, transportation sector, Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs) with improved power supply, roads and other public goods. These are sectors that will create large number of jobs and people will feel the impact of the growth.

Do we still need the Medium Term Expenditure Framework (MTEF) since we are back to planning, it seems implementing both the MTEF and Perspective Plan blueprint already in place may bring conflict in the fiscal policy framework?

There will be no conflict in fiscal policy.

The reason is that medium term fiscal strategy focuses more on the fiscal side and is also a legal requirement. Under the Fiscal Responsibility Act, the Minister of Finance is required to place before the National Assembly the medium term document. The planning aspect goes beyond the fiscal strategy. For example, we are also looking at the monetary framework. The Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) is leading an effort to the whole financial sector to what is called financial sector strategy 2020.

Before Mr. President was re-elected, he started the transformation agenda by setting up a team, which I chaired, to work on producing a set of key policies, programmes and projects that he would implement when re-elected. That is what we are calling the transformation agenda.

Nigeria’s economy experienced structural lag due to delay in the approval of the budget, is 2012 appropriation bill going to be different?

I believe 2012 budget will be approved on time because there have been a lot of consultations between the executive and the legislature. To address the key element for example, the fiscal strategy document, there was a meeting between the President and the economic team as well as the leadership of National Assembly, on the key features of the document. There was another meeting between the President and the Senate during which other issues were discussed, in particular, the petroleum subsidy.



Most people believe that if government increases fuel price from N65 per litre to N149 per pump price, the quantum jump in price will cause structural inflation in economy and the multiplier effect will spread to other sectors. What’s your take?

The market has it own discipline. There will be some immediate reactions.

Just immediate reactions?

But if you increase your prices beyond a certain limit, there is tendency to lose customers.

In an economy where the one is contingent on another? Where are the options? In some instances there would be no option?

It is important to realise that diesel has been deregulated already. We are just talking about Premium Motor Spirit (PMS) commonly known as fuel. What is the major element of transport in Nigeria? The Lorries carrying goods from Lagos to other parts of the country are using diesel and diesel is selling at a commercial rate.

Clearly, the effect will only be temporary because the market forces will regulate the prices in the long-run. Look at the telecom sector for example, initially the unit price was very high, while phones were also expensive. The lines were very expensive as well.

So, with the competition and coming in of other service providers, prices began to decline. It will be similar to fuel subsidy. Right now the subsidy is not going to the right pockets and everyone knows that.

The masses using public transport are still paying actually the correct prices. Many people got licenses to build refineries and should be encouraged to go a head. Some people are asking why government’s refineries are not working, forgetting that government has carried out Turn Around Maintenance (TAM)) on the four refineries generally with nothing tangible to show for it.

But whose fault is that? Why are the four refineries inactive?

The reason is that some agencies run by government seem to be inefficient.

That was why I asked earlier whose fault it is?

For example, NITEL is almost dead, but Nigerians are getting along with Global System Mobile Communications (GSM).

But that is not ideal?

We still need land-lines yes; but Nigerians can get along without land-lines. The reality is that we need private sector efficiency to get new refineries built in order to stop excessive importation of petroleum products that is not helping us and the economy in any way. After a short while, the benefits of subsidy removal will begin to manifest to every Nigerian.

Some years ago, the government declared certain goods to be essential commodities. For example, rice, salt and sugar. People formed queues at co-operative shops because there were import licenses for those goods. People were not allowed to import without licenses. Who were those making the money? People who got those pieces of papers called import licenses. They made so much money but an average Nigerian still bought his rice, salt and sugar very expensive at the market prices.

Today, nobody cares because when you need these goods you simply go to the market and buy them. That is what fuel will become one day. We will be laughing at ourselves one day.

Back to unemployment. The rate of unemployment officially stands at over 21.9 per cent, what are the economic implications of an increasing rate of unemployment in a developing economy like Nigeria’s?

The rate of unemployment is high, which ever figure you use like 21.9. The National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) recently put the figures slightly upward to 23.9 per cent. The point NBS made is that unemployment is much higher among the youths between the ages of 15 and 35. So, government is working towards empowering them with small and medium scale loans so that they can actually work for themselves. Especially those who are already running businesses and have ideas on how to expand those businesses to become big employers of labour.

But at present, banks are not giving loans to operators of SMEs; and the few banks willing to assist give very stringent conditions, what is government going to do about this?

Some banks can give very good account of themselves in terms of facilities that had been given to entrepreneurs. They may not be giving as much as needed.

That is why the President is looking at other schemes that will assist this group of young people and as much as possible no stringent condition is required. Clearly, that is not to say that we have an arrangement whereby everyone walks in and takes his own share of the national cake.

Everyone must show evidence of some business organisations, records of previous business transactions and credible business plans to show seriousness in the exercise. It is actually targeted at people who will become entrepreneurs and employers of labour to solve the unemployment problem in the economy not only for themselves but for other people.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/subsidy-what-nigerians-stand-to-gain-by-shamsuddeen-usman/

BY JUDITH UFFORD

Governor Peter Obi of Anambra State insists that the unity of Igbo is more important at a time like this, much more than succession.

When the news of the death of Ikemba Nnewi, Dim Odumegwu-Ojukwu after a long-drawn illness in a London hospital hit the air waves, the first person that came to my mind was Governor Peter Obi of Anambra State. And the reason for this is obvious. Governor Obi had been with Ojukwu since his ill health began and should be in the know of some very private thoughts of the late elder statesman.

So off I went to Awka. When I arrived, I was told the Governor was just returning from London for Awka where he was to hand over some hospital equipment to mission hospitals. Well, I’m blessed. So I thought until the governor announced he was on his way to Abuja to formally informed President Goodluck Jonathan of Ojukwu’s passage.

This didn’t not deter me. I followed his entourage to the Akanu Ibiam International Airport Enugu. An unwilling Governor Obi said now was not the time to talk but I was determined he must say something. His reason for declining an interview is not far fetched; he is in the centre of activities preceding the erstwhile Igbo leader’s burial. For ten minutes Governor Obi shared what could pass for the last moments with Ojukwu.

Excerpts:

The Ikemba Nnewi,

Emeka Odumegwu-

Ojukwu has finally passed on. What were your immediate thoughts at the news of his death?

I would say everybody feels sad. But for those who were very close to him the feeling is even more. I am one of those who was very close to him, but we have to push on. I could not but think of his eventful life; our close association; his brave battle with ill health; and how our society would look without him. Sure, a number of things quickly ran through my mind. The truth is that there is no easy way to say goodbye. When I saw him on Friday, there was nothing to suggest that he would die on Saturday. So, I was shocked when I got an SMS that he had passed on when I just left him hours before. I was on my way to Awka when I received the SMS. I immediately got on the next available plane back to London. Even if he had died a year from now, it would still have been difficult to say goodbye. So like I said, he’s gone and we have to move on. We pray God grants him eternal rest. We will give him a befitting burial and emulate those qualities like courage and love he had.

You talked about some of the privileged information he shared about those that gave him support morally. Can you share them?.

What I said is that I had the opportunity of talking to him about certain areas, certain things in Igbo land he was always fond of. Ojukwu was always concerned with how to improve the fortunes of our people and that of the country. In Igbo land for instance, he was particular about certain areas and towns. He was very particular about Aba. He felt Aba was strategic to Igboland and so was concerned about its development. But we don’t have to go into all that now.

You are a key voice in the Igbo political circle. Following the Ikemba’s demise, attention is now shifting to his successor. What are the options before Ndigbo?

Talks of succession for now are premature. The core issue now is how to organise a befitting burial for Dim Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu. To indulge now in the kind of speculation you are alluding to is for me disrespectful of our fallen hero. We will like to use this major milestone in Igboland to reunite our people. In grief, new meanings can arise, new imperatives, new dreams, new hope and a deepened sense of unity and common destiny. I want to use this occasion to urge everybody that we should love each other more. To do him the best honour is to emulate the depth, scope and strength of his vision. We should also emulate his sheer courage. This is a time for everybody to come together.

You talked about wonderful and befitting burial. Did Ikemba leave any instruction about his burial?

At this point in time, I have no such information. But like I said, we have not fixed the burial date.

What will the Igbo miss most about the late Ikemba Nnewi?

His wisdom and courage; the confidence that flowed from his leadership. And it is not just the Igbo who are affected by his exit. Ojukwu was a national leader. His strong voice on national issues will be missed.

Putting you in the second term was one of his last wish to you. How do you feel?

Well, to me, it’s been a great challenge. I see that as an appreciation of our efforts in governance and invitation to do more. By God’s grace, we will get there. But we should discuss all that after the burial.

Where would he be buried?

Of course, in Igboland.

Are you discussing the associated issues with your colleagues, like other South-East governors?

We will all come together at his village. As you know, it is not a burial of just any person. He was an outstanding figure in Igboland and an important national leader. All of us, both politicians, governors and all stakeholders will be there.

Are you canvassing a national burial?

The Igbo nation is naturally taking the initiative. As they say, charity begins at home. We have a duty towards our son. But in giving honour to whom it is due, we are not restricting participation. It is open to all Nigerians, institutions and governments.

What were your thoughts about our health institutions as you took Ojukwu abroad for treatment?

That was a challenge. We started from going to Europe, Egypt and South Africa. When you get there, one observe that the hospitals are not run by government. It was this that got me thinking: Why don’t we do what these countries are doing back home. We can do the same, I thought. We have taken up the challenge. The process of upgrading our healthcare system has started. We will continue to improve the standards until they attain acceptable global standards.

Did this inform the key innovations in the education and health sector you are spear-heading in your state?

Yes. What we are trying to do in Anambra State is to take no decision off the cuff. I had said in the past that at the time we came into office, Anambra was on the verge of becoming a failed state but people would unfortunately try to politicise this simple truth. There are critical indices of development to look at and these critical institutions like education has collapsed. And you ask yourself, why would the education sector collapse? We drove the missionaries out without a replacement model, that was the beginning of the collapse.

In the area of healthcare, we used to give them (missions) support and suggestions. Later, we abandoned them and the institutions collapsed. For example, Iyienu Hospital produced the first and best mid-wife in Nigeria. By the time we came into power, that school was closed down and then you wonder why such a good school was closed down.

This was a school which trained our professional nurses, which should be a premier iconic institution; yet it was closed down. Iyienu trained most of our medical doctors. That was where, they did their House jobs. As I speak to you, the place is no more functional. Before we built state and national Hospitals, these hospitals served our own people. So, we are now going back. As at last week, we paid non-academic staff N3 billion and we are giving all these back to the Churches that ran these institutions. Today, we have commenced subvention to the federal schools, we are spending N6 billion in that regard. We gave over N1 billion to different schools of nursing, including Iyienu, as well as Lourdes, Ihiala.

Is the Church still what it used to be, to manage moral upbringing?

Yes, of course, at least, they are far better than we are (laughs) but we challenge them.

You talked about giving subvention to the different institutions for them to manage. How sincere are you about non interference?

I don’t interfere. But of course, there are policy guidelines. The relevant government ministries monitor the disbursement of these funds. The benefitting schools and hospitals submit action plan before they receive the money and the implementation of the projects are supervised by us.

Are you selling this innovative development model to the South-east zone or is it just for Anambra State alone?

Before selling out things to outsiders, you try it inside first. When the vision behind the policy is clearly seen to work out, it will be easier to sell it to others in the region.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/igbo-leadership-succession-talk-premature-gov-obi/

By Taye Obateru & Gabriel Enogholase
TWO-time governor of defunct Bendel State, Dr. Samuel Osaigbovo Ogbemudia, has described the late Ikemba Nnewi, Chief Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, as a “gallant nationalist and freedom fighter” who fought for his rights and for the rights of the overwhelming majority of his Igbo people.

In reminiscence of their days in the Nigeria Army and the events that led to the civil war, Ogbemudia said Ojukwu “was always a visionary, forth-right, courageous, outspoken, nationalist and patriotic”.

A[b]ccording to him,“Ojukwu wanted to see a Nigerian nation where all ethnic nationalities are recognized and fairly treated, not a country of disparate and desperate ethnic groups. He threw all that was left of his physical and mental energy into this enterprise but did not live to see it through”.

He went on in his condolence message, “Although it is a universal saying that you don’t say evil about the dead, in the case of Chief Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, the Ikemba Nnewi, there is truly no evil to talk about his life. Many say he was a rebel. No, he was a gallant nationalist and freedom fighter. He openly disagreed on issues and rather than stomach his dissatisfaction, he fought for his rights and for the rights of the overwhelming majority of his Ibo people who looked up to him.

“Imagine that he succeeded, and Biafra had become a state, going by the feats they achieved at a very difficult time, Biafra would have become the toast of Africa by now. Perhaps many other new states would have been born.[/b]

“I was a major and later a brigade major when he was a Lt Col. commanding a battalion at Kano. We were all under the command of Kaduna 1st Brigade. Following the coup of January 15, 1966, he was appointed Military Governor of Eastern Region, David Ejoor for the Midwest, Adeyinka Adebayo for the West and Usman Hassan Katsina for the North. The crisis ensued as the North had good reasons to believe that the coup was targeted against them. Many Ibos in the North were killed in a reprisal manner. Gen Ironsi the Head of State was also killed.

“By 1967, the crisis had worsened and Ojukwu declared Biafra. He invaded the Midwest. Same year i was appointed Military Governor of the Midwest. We fought against Biafra Army and liberated the Midwest. Midwest sacrificed human and material resources to save Nigeria. The Head of State at this time was Gen. Gowon. He appreciated this and remarked that but for Midwest, there would have been no Nigeria.

“That notwithstanding, my admiration for Ojukwu remained high. I contributed all I could to the rehabilitation of the east.

“My friendship with Chief Ojukwu effectively resumed when he returned from exile. I helped with his political reintegration and was sorry that he wasn’t allowed to go to the Senate in 1983. He was always visionary, forth-right, courageous, outspoken, nationalistic and patriotic.

Meanwhile, an Igbo socio-cultural organization, Izu Umunna, has  urged the Senate to reverse its decision which opposed a state burial for Chief Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, in the interest of justice and fair play.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/ojukwu-biafra-would-have-been-the-toast-of-africa-ogbemudia/

Every one knows Tinubu is a criminal and has every tendency to run down nigeria starting with Lagos state.
Where did He get the money for his airline and the the hotel at VI.
I mean he should stop talking like saint. He belongs to the group of Abacha.
Abacha self dey understandable because na military but Tinubu a killer, a drug baron and a fraud, naaaa.

^^^^ STFU. Who told you no one on NL saw the war?
Is it because of the stupid thread you created. I go send you correct slap for that canada wey you dey.
Common go to bed.