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When did ds man become Mourinho?

ifenes:
The misunderstanding of what god is and is not will be a continuous problem to Christianity. The lack of asking the right question will not bring the right answers.

Homosexuality is not wrong. It can be disgusting but certainly not wrong. If the only reason you consider it wrong is due to the bible god, you are being misinformed.

Homosexuality is offensive to a reasonable person and as such it is very wrong

LiberaDeus:
Guy you are embarrassing your fellow Christians. You are helping strengthen the stereotype that Christians are stupid, ignorant, close minded and willfully ignorant.

Please kindly quote any part of my write up where I said atheism is equal to science. Please show me and I will show you that you have comprehension issues.

I thought you said I shouldn't quote you in the last thread but here you are running around quoting me when I didn't invite you. Well you are a Christian so I am not surprised.

You quoted me I did the same for you what is wrong in that? How does my statement above affect Christian? You just said that Atheism has solved problems of the world through science as if Atheism is the basis of science. Mr man you need to grow up

Princedapace:
Some people wey dey talk for Nairaland like u..if u see them in real life...them no fit talk A not to talk of B..


Nairaland gives mouth to the mouthless

Notice me syndrome is a tremendously terrible trait guy get help

kcnwaigbo:
Smh at your gross stupidity!!! A simple Wikipedia page on the obi of Onitsha would have educated you. Don't tell me you still believe that crap that oduduwa descended from heaven

How much does this explain anything about your Obi? How influential is that obi? When did Obiship start in that Erosion-threatened land? Answer these questions and then we'll talk. You don't even know your own history, this explain more about your aggression here on nairaland.
Kid at heart go learn about your history so you won't goof around.

LiberaDeus:
The Malaysian aircraft is not the problem of Christians right because Malaysia isn't a Christian country. How have Christians in Christian countries stopped air crashes and other disasters? Nada . No help no supernatural help, just empty rhetoric and stupidly vague prophecies that they can't even get right e.g US election result.

Lets even look at things that should be Christian concerns since saving a crashing plane is so mundane.

How about Christianity unifying and giving a wholesome united message that can save the world at least. Instead we have 30000 denominations and divisions everywhere.

Christians have never been moral examples on a personal level. There is no difference between Christians and normal people in moral behavior. Christians fight, kill, slander, defraud, launder govt funds, commit adultery, rape and do anything one can think of that is abhorrent.

With the millions of churches littered around Nigeria we still can't see the effect on moral behavior. And we supposedly have new creatures with the power to overcome vices and live good lives in our midst. New creatures my foot.

How about performing signs and wonders the way Jesus instructed you guys to do in order to make people believe. Please where are the signs and wonders and I don't mean staged miracles but spontaneous bursts of power. By the way, birds can fly anywhere and anytime, birds dont need carefully staged shows to display their flying ability, it just happens every time. Please Christians show your so called power in Christian issues since identifying a missing aircraft isn't any of your business.

As for atheism solving problems, unlike religion where people are born into religions and are indoctrinated into the rituals and rites hence a religious identity is formed. Atheism is not groomed, atheism is freedom from such dogma, rituals , baseless superstition and mythology. Atheists get to that point through different routes, some get there through science, some through exposure , some through studying their religious texts. Atheists give to society in numerous ways, but it isn't a United institution with claims of being powerful. Atheism is not meant to solve any problem. Atheism is most likely as a result of philosophy , science, advanced sociology and psychology. Atheists are solving problems but not under a United banner. Einstein's theory of relativity and quantum mechanics have given us our modern day electronics and semiconductor. Einstein was an unrepentant atheist or pantheist. He didn't solve those problems under the banner of those ideologies. His ideologies were as a result of his hard work, scientific mindset etc. Atheism is a product of critical thinking. A side product of critical thinking. Atheism major contribution should be freeing the mind from religious bondage, anxiety, guilt etc.


A religion like Christianity that claims to be endowed with the true message of god alongside his powerful holy spirit, a religion like this has knowingly or unknowingly put a burden of proof and performance on itself, so please don't shy away from that responsibility, remember that as a believer you should lay your hands on the sick and they should get well immediately. So mr Christian what are you waiting for, go to the nearest hospital and do your work.

In your own world and word Atheism is science? Ok, now I know how gullible you are

TroubleMaker47:
What of Obi of onitcha?

Obi of Wetin? When did Obiship start in that Erosion-threatened land? Thatch roof Republic people sef

LiberaDeus:
Atheism is a lack of belief in a god based on available evidence. Atheists never promised to solve the world's problem, even science that we can rely on better than your fraudulent religion never claimed it will be able to solve all problems.
Science is still growing, geologists never claim to have all the knowledge of geology, physicists accept that there are many quantum principles they don't understand yet, no biologist claims to understand DNA totally and I can say the same for all fields of science.
Scientists strive to know more about the world and make it clear where their current knowledge ends.
That is very honorable.

But wait, we have supermen amongst us.

People that know the beginning of the universe, people that know exactly what happened then.

People that know the name of the person that created it, they even know the name of his servants Michael and Gabriel . We have people that know this mighty persons chosen people[ jews]

These people also know the son of this supreme creator and they know the exact time his son came on earth and every thing he did on earth. In short, this people know that this creator is a male hence he is called a he.
It doesn't even stop there, this people claim to have been blessed by this creator with the power of his son and they can move mountains by that power.

They can do exceedingly above all normal human beings imagine.
We actually have supermen amongst us and they number around 2 billion.

Well why didn't any of this supermen just point us in the direction of this Malaysian aircraft, we ain't asking for too much, just point is in the direction and rescue teams will rush to the location.

Just like when the centurion told jesus to give the word only and he would go pick his daughter up and do the remaining dirty job, that's all we ask .

Just a teeny tiny but of that power and we would have found the plane. We didn't even ask for resurrection of the people in the plane, we just want to know where it landed and understand how to prevent further calamities like that.

Please is that too much to ask. Out of 2 billion Christians can't we have just one person that can perform a verified supernatural feat, lets not even go to the chibok girls.

The Malaysian MH370 is not the problem of the Christians, wait o did Christians plunge it into the sea? So why should it be our headache? Why? Whao you accept there are atheists but they don't offer to help to solve any problem in the world? Then of what use is Atheism? It is seem to me that it is more stupid to be an atheist, of what use is it then? Atheistsm has never been used to solve any problem in the world either in the past present or future. Chibok girls? How has not believing in God solve that?

Zoharariel:
Watch this video before I answer your question.

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Hollywood lies SMH for you if you could believe this hoax

LiberaDeus:
@OP if I receive tangible evidence and I mean tangible evidence that yahweh is god then I have no other option but to accept his will not necessarily what xtians claim but his publicly revealed will.

What do I mean by tangible evidence. Let me give examples of what i consider to be tangible evidence.

1. A worldwide announcement and introduction of himself as god. This introduction will be verified by everyone at the same time and should happen for a considerable amount of time in a way that can't be falsified . It might be in the form of general darkness accompanied by an appearance in the sky or anywhere but everyone must see it and confirm it. Ask yourself why is it that yahweh always makes this appearance to just his prophets and yet xtians claim he loves and longs to reveal himself to humanity. Some Christians even claim that man is to filthy to be in his presence but ironically many prophets claim that god arrested them when they were sinful. The logical explanation is that those mystical experiences are subjective and purely psychological/ hallucinatory.

2. Another form of tangible evidence will involve Yahweh empowering his messengers to do his work. President buhari must not come and meet me before I believe he invited me. The presence of a presidential aide comes with power, signs and other undeniable attributes that can only originate from the president. A presidential aide can invite you with a letter with the seal of the president, if that's not enough, he can show you video proof, if that's not enough then he can convince you by showing you dignitaries like police commissioners or ministers that are also aware. So a king must not make himself available before you accept his existence and will.

Now coming to Yahweh. If he can endow his followers with unquestionable supernatural power that can't be argued then that should be sufficient evidence. The funny thing is that the new testament has at least 4 places that talk about Jesus endowing his believers with power and granting all their requests. I expect believers worldwide to go into hospitals and heal all the sick people with diseases ranging from cancer to fractures and all infections. They can also go into kitties and hospitals and raise the dead. Elijah brought down fire from heaven to prove a point to the prophets of Baal, why can't modern day Christians perform signs and wonders everyday.
Imagine how the world would be if every day and every where you see Christians miracles happen spontaneously. In acts of the apostles, people allegedly came near Peters shadow and were healed. Lets imagine that in the real world , people rushing Christians to get near their shadows to get healed. Imagine you believing in Christ and immediately you pass a place, crippled people will start walking. Pleas tell me who won't be a Christian. The ironical thing is that these things are scriptural but they never happen thereby showing that the scripture lied about it and about every other thing. Yahweh most likely doesn't exist with the proof on ground.

3. Another form of evidence would be Christians making predictions bout the future in a definite and specific way and the prediction comes to pass. Some idiotic pastors have already fooled themselves by predicting Clinton's victory and they ended up falling flat on their face. I don't know any man of god that successfully predicted Trumps victory. With the whole chibok girls saga , not one man of god could predict their location, when the Malaysian aircraft MH370 got missing not one man of god could pin point the location. But they are masters of vague prophecies that can be interpreted anyhow.

How has the atheists or Atheism pin point the location of the MH370?
Why make fish of one and foul of the other?

Failed party

Anas09:
Hmmm. People sabi reason oo.

That was a useless reasoning

harmbhrosz:
does the topic or the content of the article above addressed to Nigeria?

Forming posh Mtchewwwwwwwww

J4parry:
Asus can't be in that category cos they're already an established brand in China.

Na China ú dey?

engrjacuzzi:
any update yet on Soyinka's green card

He must tear his green card in the public like obj tore his pdp card or else he should go an hide in his hilltop house in the forest of ogun state. Baba àgbà ìyà radarada

Anas09:
When i read "From Witchcraft to Christ", by Doren Irvin, was when i knew that there's nothing like atheism. Its just a ploy of satan to deceive the uninformed.

In Satanism, she said, they have Arms, Atheism is an arm in Satanism. (All this NL little boys athiest are like street urchins. They know nothing).

Their job is to sell the idea that Satan does not exist. If Men believes that Satan does not exist, it will be easier to also say, theres no God. This is the duty of atheism

When an initiate comes in, base on your strong point, they shift you to a section where you'd function well. She was sent to the Witchcraft arm, because he could get into people easily and he could manipulate and have her way. She had powers to cast spells, so, she did well there.


Athiesm is Satans own religion. Why does it take so long for people to get it?

Atheism is the rejection of an external being, but the projection of SELF.

IS that not who satan is? Is that not how he got Adam to Fall.



Atheism began in Eden.

Deny God, for you are God yourself. You don't need Jehoavh coming down here, dictating to you as if you don't have a mind of you own, he said to Adam.

Be wise and be a man of your own devices.

Break free and think freely. If you are your own Master, you'd be free. No axcounatbility. What you deem right, will be right, and what you seem wrong be wrong.
You make your own laws. That was satan.
Arent we seeing the same thing playing out in atheists even as minute as NL kids atheists?

Today, wen u believe in God, atheists look at you as brain dead, u can't think for youraelf.

Isnt that what satan said to Adam in Eden?

Atheism is Satans own religion.

Okay, let's carry out this test. Bros open a thread castigating Lucider. Do this and wait for athiest come at you with loaded guns.

Here in NL have u ever seen any atheist open a thread casting aspasions on allah or Buddha or Zeus, thor, Odin or any African diety? No. Why are they sooo incenced agaisnt Yahweh?

Something is there.

GOD bless you brother, I have always maintain that Atheism is formulated, organized and established against Christians, as if we the only theist

olatade:
Shame on you T B

https://www.nairaland.com/3450239/t.b-joshua-predicts-win-us

TB Joshua would be hiding by now

End of the road

LiberaDeus:
Na you no wan let me rest oh. Sell junk, I don't evangelize to anyone unlike you xtian. I have visited it and it's the same ol twisted logic supported by blind faith.

A liar like you Mtchewwwwwwwww

LiberaDeus:
Acting like the typical christian, spout some claims then get cornered then finally get annoyed when they realize that their precious belief is seen as a dirty rag amongst the sane.

Am doing something with my life, I don't have time for you its your weak arguments that I am dismantling, I didn't mention you cos I know or care about you but because your logic needs to be stripped bare and exposed for the nonsense it is.

For those willing to learn, please compare this two websites and tell me which is neutral and which has an agenda.
Rice.edu - which is the website for rice university in Houston Texas - a private research university.

Godevidence.com - which is a website created by the religious for the religious and in order to produce evidence of god.

Its as clear as day. Its like asking between arsenalfc.com and goal.com which website will be biased in favor of arsenal.


Simple logic.
Goodbye rhektor, hope to never bump into you again

What is logical about you concluding without verification? I don't know who lobotomised you. How was I cornered? Like seriously you think I'm one of those you can sell your junk to? Do have a rethink visit that site and debunk everything there if you are not afraid.

LiberaDeus:
Please how did my link confirm your view point. Over 70 percent of British citizens believe in a god while on the same UK amongst scientists not up to 50percent believe doesn't it show you something. Why should I repeat myself again and again.

In the USA, over 90 percent believe in a god amongst normal people but in the same USA amongst scientists not up to 50 percent of scientists believe in that god. Can't you see the pattern.
I just gave you one link from a neutral site, I expected you to pick the facts from the site but you gave me a link to an apologist site that spews the same arguments over and over again.

What's the fuss about scientists, you were the one that said I didn't know more than scientists that believed in god. You claimed that most scientists believe in god and I have shown you that the claim is false. I am not going to give you links here and there, you can go and Google it yourself and see the percentage of atheist scientists but you don't want to check it out yourself.

You drove to argument to the point of showing that scientists are religious and I cornered you there, you now wanted to pass a snide remark about atheism and boko haram but I also caught you there and showed you that belief wise you are much closer to Abu Shekau than I can ever be.

Am still waiting for you to prove to me that scientists in advanced countries are more religious than non religious. I know you can't do it cos you can't prove a lie .

And you said I am afraid of Christians, I have read uncountable Christian websites like answeringenesis etc and I find them to be ridiculous and based on emotional appeal and scientific distortions. Such sites are for those that really want to believe and need encouragement in their blindness called faith.

What is neutral about your link? Tell me what is neutral? An experiment carried out by same atheists is neutral, my guy got find something done with your life. Please stop mentioning me, ok? Thank you and God bless you

cokiek:
Linda just need to carry clay go make her own man....

Busted! Linda Ikeji lousy sister, Laura hides at Plane's tail while flying economy from US
http://thekokogist..com.ng/2016/10/laura-ikeji-lindas-lousy-sister-that.html?m=1

Wetin be your own?

LiberaDeus:
You haven't tried to verify yourself. Google pew research center and see their poll on religious belief amongst scientists .

Don't you think as a Christian that you are not very different from boko haram.

Let me list the similarities between Christianity and boko haram

1. Boko haram members believe in prophet Isa and Christians also believe Jesus existed.

2. They pray to a deity that they believe chose Abraham as his chosen servant 5000 years ago. Christians also believe in that deity.

3. Boko haram members believe in pleasure in the afterlife and also believe that pleasure in afterlife is greater once you are martyred. You as a Christian also believe on a pleasurable after life and am sure you believe your crown of glory will be greater if you are martyred.

4. Boko haram members pray at least 5 times a day. And am sure you also pray on numerous occasions.

5. Boko haram members believe in Adam and eve being the first human beings. You also believe that. They also believe in the first temptation in the garden of eden which you do.

6. Boko haram members fast regularly. I believe you also fast too.

7. Boko haram members believe in heaven and hell. You also believe that too.

8. They believe in zakat while you believe in tithing.

I can go on and on to show you similarities between extreme fundamentalist sunni wahhabism and evangelical xtianity. I won't lie and say that you are as violent as them or you are a suicide bomber. But come to think of it, the credulity you have to believe that a dead Jewish man will come back with a flying horse in the sky with millions of angels coming with swords to judge humanity is not very different from the credulity required to believe that when you die fighting for god you will get 72 virgins .

Its not very different my friend. So you can see that my view points are very far from that of an Islamic extremist while yours is related. Comparing me to an extremist is like comparing a bird to a cow. But as a cow is to a bull so is a Christian to a Muslim.

Digression! That's all I see here. You posted a link which I clicked even though it was not a christian link however it turn out to confirm my statement about religious scientists. I posted a link you failed to open it because you are afraid of Christians. So what's your point?

LiberaDeus:
I read your links and they come from a Christian apologist site and also started by a Christian on NL.
Look at the name of th first site, godevidence.com. do you think they would be objective?

My link didn't confirm your view point. The link showed that at least 45% of British scientists don't believe in god. I earlier told you that technologically advanced countries like UK and USA have a high percentage of scientists that disbelieve in your myths. But am sure in the link what you cherrypicked was the part that talked about Indian scientists believing in god. So my link didn't confirm your fact. In UK and USA most normal people identify with a religion but the higher you go on the scientific and philosophical ladder the less the number of believers. Doesn't that show you a pattern.

Guy the only thing I can tell you is to research the percentage of atheistic scientists. I don't think you can honestly do a small research on that topic and still not find out that there is a wide discrepancy between religious belief and scientific discipline. The deeper they go the farther they run from religion.

Concluding without verification, is that what atheistsm has taught you? If this is Atheism then I'd rather join boko haram than be an atheist

LiberaDeus:
Oh I read the link. The aim of the link was to show you religious disposition in a scientifically advanced country like the UK. The article compared religious beliefs amongst Indian scientists and UK scientists. You were meant to deduce the point from the link. You can check Google for other sites.

Is atheism not a lack of belief in god. I was a christian, that was my belief system and now becoming an agnostic atheist means I am free from the mental cage of religion. I mentioned the bible so many times because when the bible is read with an open mind it can be the most potent force for atheism.

I don't think there is a pain, I just think its disgust over the horrendous myths that are passed as facts in religious circles and the fact that I believed them for a long time.

My man am sure you think you are on the right path to an eternity of bliss and we are the lost ones. The only advice I will give you is to follow the facts and use critical thinking and you will find out that the so called path you are on is actually a mental prison that has profited the leaders of religious institutions for millennia.
When you discover this fact the you will know real joy and freedom not the joy you have to delude yourself into believing that you have by blind faith.

Did you read my own link? No because you believe it is of no value, not relevant, sunk? I laughed but atheists like you would be quick to posit that we theists don't study to know beyond what our religious books teaches however you as an atheist would rather want me to read your link which I did and it confirmed earlier statement that most scientists are religious which you debunked but your link still prove me right you read my link and give your opinion..
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Maybe you think you are smarter than those religious scientists
http://godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-about-god/


https://www.nairaland.com/3452546/scientists-quotes-god#50853645

LiberaDeus:
I haven't used telescope before so does it mean that it doesn't work. Have you ever travelled to Chile or Uzebkistan before, does it mean that they don't exist. The reason why you believe that some obscure countries exist is the same reason why I won't doubt that the function of telescopes have been well documented.

Atheism and science are not the same thing . But one of the greatest proofs that support the atheistic world view is scientific proof. Evolutionary biology debunks Christianity and religion, modern astronomy debunks your religious beliefs, modern geology debunks it, even modern morality and ethics debunks the barbaric practices of your OT god and most importantly your bible debunks itself in several places by predicting so many failed events.
Medieval scientists were mostly Christians because they couldn't object or go against the norm cause it could cost them their life.

Your statement that most scientists believe in God is the most biased and false statement I have heard in a while. I will give you links to show that most reputable scientists in the USA and Europe disbelieve in god. The smarter a man gets the more ridiculous religion appears to him.
http://news.rice.edu/2014/09/24/indian-scientists-significantly-more-religious-than-uk-scientists/

I don't need to post it all for you. Please Google the percentage of scientific atheists and see that its quite normal to disbelieve in your god.

Why will you call me antichristian, I am also antimuslim, anti jewish, anti religion.

I don't believe in your useless myths and fables. But am sure you see every one that rejects Christianity as devilish and satanic. Its the normal xtian response. You can villify all non believers in so many ways but you will never consider the fact that many of the doctrines and stories in your bible are unrealistic, not historical, immoral and down right impossible.

You did not read that link right? Or are you trying to avoid it?
You present yourself as an atheist however you mentioned Christian and Bible more times than you mentioned science. It's alright I have told you before that you should come out plain because I can see a pain I you whenever you mention Christian or Bible. Just try get over it, God bless you sir
http://godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-about-god/

Flirtyjane:
Congrat but I pretty pass her and get brain too pass her. My CGPA was 4.84. Don't ask me course.

Upload your picture and your results or gerrarrahia

LiberaDeus:
I haven't used telescope before so does it mean that it doesn't work. Have you ever travelled to Chile or Uzebkistan before, does it mean that they don't exist. The reason why you believe that some obscure countries exist is the same reason why I won't doubt that the function of telescopes have been well documented.

Atheism and science are not the same thing . But one of the greatest proofs that support the atheistic world view is scientific proof. Evolutionary biology debunks Christianity and religion, modern astronomy debunks your religious beliefs, modern geology debunks it, even modern morality and ethics debunks the barbaric practices of your OT god and most importantly your bible debunks itself in several places by predicting so many failed events.
Medieval scientists were mostly Christians because they couldn't object or go against the norm cause it could cost them their life.

Your statement that most scientists believe in God is the most biased and false statement I have heard in a while. I will give you links to show that most reputable scientists in the USA and Europe disbelieve in god. The smarter a man gets the more ridiculous religion appears to him.
http://news.rice.edu/2014/09/24/indian-scientists-significantly-more-religious-than-uk-scientists/

I don't need to post it all for you. Please Google the percentage of scientific atheists and see that its quite normal to disbelieve in your god.

Why will you call me antichristian, I am also antimuslim, anti jewish, anti religion.

I don't believe in your useless myths and fables. But am sure you see every one that rejects Christianity as devilish and satanic. Its the normal xtian response. You can villify all non believers in so many ways but you will never consider the fact that many of the doctrines and stories in your bible are unrealistic, not historical, immoral and down right impossible.

You did not read that link right? Or are you trying to avoid it?
You present yourself as an atheist however you mentioned Christian and Bible more times than you mentioned science. It's alright I have told you before that you should come out plain because I can see a pain I you whenever you mention Christian or Bible. Just try get over it, God bless you sir

LiberaDeus:
Ok I haven't seen mars the same way you might not have been to Chile or Mongolia. Have you been in those countries before, your logic is like saying those countries don't exist because you haven't set foot in it.

I haven't seen mars but one thing is for sure, I can see it by using a telescope and confirming it, I can also travel to a reputable institute and use their telescope. At least there is a way to confirm its existence.

Please how do you confirm the existence of Jesus , can you see him, can you spend any amount of money to confirm him, how did you accept him is it not by blind faith. Christians claim to have the power of god I am sure you can look around and see that xtians are not any different morally, financially, emotionally from other folks but you still go on believing by blind faith.

Nobody verified your god in the past, when Christianity started, the biggest dispute was concerning the divinity of Christ. Read about the Gnostics, marxionites, Mennonites, ebionites and other early Christian sects. Christians couldn't agree on that basic fact until the Roman empire stepped in after Constantine intervened and silenced every other sect of Christianity. Millions didn't confirm him, Millions were forced into it by the destruction of their pagan temples and burning of any one that didn't worship the Christian god. Saying people confirmed your god is like saying that Abacha, idiamin, gaddafi were confirmed as the best possible leaders for their country that's why ruled for long, but we know that's not true because they ruled by force, fear and intimidation. Thats the same way Christianity grew and survived.

And if I am to go by your logic that millions confirmed your gods existence then I can also say that billions have confirmed the Hindu gods[Brahman] existence and even billions have confirmed Allah's existence. Ask yourself which god is now the real one. And please if you're to debunk brahman and Allah with logic, please apply that same logic to Yahweh.


As for saying that we swallow everything hook line and
sinker. That's just laughable. No scientist releases any theory or final ding without presenting evidence for confirmation. And even without evidence, the logic can still be traced to make sense. But am sure your pastor gives you revelation without any confirmation save for blind faith.

Have you ever use the telescope before? No. Your problem is that you seem to fuse atheistsm and science together, Mr man they are not the same. There are theist scientists in fact most of the scientists are theists. Atheism is an illusion. How can you accept that one big bang created all things and then discredit the creationist theory? Oh now I'm getting a bit of your trouble, so it's all about Christianity? You shouldn't have called l yourself an atheist rather come out plain and call yourself anti-christian then we'll be able to profer a solution to this problem.
You can give us your views on this too
https://www.nairaland.com/3452546/scientists-quotes-god#50853645

These are the views of those who are a thousand times wiser than you are, you are free to debunk it all.
GOD bless you brother

LiberaDeus:
Oh yea providing it doesn't prove you are the owner but I also talked about the details on the vehicle particulars matching yours or you refused to see that. If someone provides such proof that he owns the car is it not better than a charlatan that makes spurious claims but can't even open it or even find the door handle. Christianity is like that charlatan, xtianity claims to be the religion of the creator of the universe but it can't even get its prediction right about the sun moving round the earth or the stars being in the firmament. The god of xtianity clearly had nothing to do with the universe. He was created in the mind of iron age peasants and he is rejuvenated in the mind of credulous 21st century believers.

What gibberish in geography textbooks. The same scientists predict earthquakes and they happen, they also predict hurricanes and it comes to pass. I prefer to listen to such people than religious charlatans that predict football matches and plane crashes but can't predict that a building in their complex is gonna collapse.

Guy you wan kill me with laugh. Thank your god that you said experiment. We believe based on experiment. The experiment is the equivalent of testing your claims for everyone to see not expecting people to take it by blind faith. The same experiments ensure that the next time mosquitoes bite you, your family don't start preparing funeral rites, the same experiments ensure that you don't have to walk for 3 days to get to kano but in 14 hours you can go across the Atlantic and land safely. The same experiment enables you to talk to all your loved ones even if they are in China. Hmm these experiments seem very useful.

You religious person that doesn't believe on blind faith. How do you know Mary was a virgin, or balaams donkey spoke, what of your Jesus spurious claims that he will be back before his disciples generation passes away, I guess he failed on that one too just like a failed experiment.

My brother the core and central virtue of religion is blind faith while that of science is critical reasoning and skepticism so tell me between the atheist and the theist who depends or follows his leader like a sheep. Which set of people drank poison in order to go to heaven, which set of people blow themselves up for 72 virgins, I guess it's atheists right, who gives 10% of his salary with the hope of getting triple in return even though that never actualized, I guess its the atheists.

Stop being sarcastic, blind faith? Have you seen Mars before? But you believe it? And you accused of of blind faith. My God has been verified by me and millions in the past and he is real have you purge yourself of all you think you know about nature? You just accept hook line and sinker all they fed you with. If there are any group of people having a blind faith it should be you atheists. what have atheistsm done to the world? If you can answer that question, then we can review atheistsm together. Remain bless brother

LiberaDeus:
No reasonable learned exposes scientist accepts the useless genesis creation account. It goes against astronomy, geology, biology and every reputable verifiable scientific discipline.

Even if the ops points won't be refuted it doesn't mean that one must automatically jump to the baseless biblical creation account which is just one of the hundreds of cultural cosmological myths.

Just because I stand beside a Ferrari and I tell you that you don't own it cos you can't provide the key to it doesn't necessarily mean I own it unless I can produce the key, unlock the car and take off with it and even with further investigation, my details will have to tally in the vehicle particulars.

Sorry my friend, your biblical creation account is a primitive iron age creation myth that feeds of the god of the gaps fallacy.

Providing a key and starting the car does not prove you are the owner, haven't you heard about car thieves stealing cars without actually breaking in? Hmmmmmmmmm you are surely loosing it Bro.
Learned and exposed scientists that accepted all the gibberish in geography text books? Have you seen the planet Mars before? But you believe there is a Mars right? You must be very funny my friend.
Between the theists and the atheists you don't need to be a logical thinker to know that the atheists are silly in their accusation of the theists, most of not all atheists believe whatever is sold to them by one stupid scientist in the name of experiment however they will accuse the theists of stupidity to believe in religion.