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tintingz:
Contingent = Accident.

If something caused an accident, then where does the something comes from and why does it caused the accident or is it by mistake or reasoning?

contingent
adjective

1) subject to chance.
2) occurring or existing only if (certain circumstances) are the case; dependent on.
3) true by virtue of the way things in fact are and not by logical necessity.

Now If something is contingent, that means that it could have failed to exist. So every individual thing in the collection of contingent things could have failed to exist. So, the whole collection of contingent things could have failed to exist, in which case there would have been no contingent things at all. Hence the existence of contingent things is itself contingent. Agreed?

Now the fact that there are contingent things must be explained by something whose existence is not contingent. This argument is so simple to understand if you are going to be honest with yourself.

My take here is, if something caused something, it is either the something did it with reasoning or by mistake.

Of course, the more reason why any contingent fact must have an explanation.

You're trying to use hypothesis as your fact.

The infinite regression is utterly dealt with HERE, you can read and raise your objection(s) by telling us how it's just a mere hypothesis. And I suppose you implied earlier on that one can apply Occam's Razor on any hypothesis, didn't you?

Lol, the universe is said to be infinitely dense at the big bang.
Nope, Multiverse(multiple universe) is part of theory.

Theory with nothing to show for it?

All these are just still speculations, hypothesis, we don't certainly know the origin of the universe yet, even theist don't have the right and certain answers to this, the more reason I'm agnostic, I'm not ashame to say I don't know yet.

Oga, you quantum vacuum argument has been destroyed.

All I can certainly say is the proof for existence of a personal god is nowhere to be found, your argument here as not yet proven your personal god, the proof of an impersonal god is weak.

This is what you want to believe, isn't it?

ChucE:


Don't blame me. its joblessness. (laughs)

I see

tintingz:
Tah, If God is unmoved mover then it is a problematic to the premise that everything has a mover, so with the same argument who move the "unmoved mover" "when, where does the unmoved mover started moving"?

Motion is a property of at least two “things”, the observer and the object. There can be no “unmoved mover” since all motion is now known to be relative to the observer, and not to some unmoving reference.

You still don't get it, do you

To avoid going on in circles, I will advise that you ponder on this Leibniz's cosmological argument:


1) Any contingent fact about the world must have an explanation. (Principle of sufficient reason)

2) It is a contingent fact that there are contingent things.

3) The fact that there are contingent things must have an explanation. (1,2)

4) The fact that there are contingent things can’t be explained by any contingent things.

5) The fact that there are contingent things must be explained by something whose existence is not contingent. (3,4)

What's your take on this^?

This is false,

How?

we don't certainly know yet if the universe has a beginning

Are you now going to be denying the big bang theory?
Don't come and tell me that the universe had been in existence before the big bang.

or infinite,we don't know yet if there are multiple universe or not,

Is there or you are just assuming this in your head?

like I said the quantum vaccum contain zero energy which is nothingness.

On this: Firstly, the view that some events just happen, also known as indeterminism, for no reason at all is impossible to prove conclusively. Our inability to identify a cause does not necessarily mean that there is no cause. Take note.

Secondly, there are deterministic perspectives adopted by physicists to explain these so-called spontaneous sub-atomic events. For instance in the 1950s David Bohm showed there was an alternative formulation of quantum theory that is fully deterministic in its basic structure. Commenting on Bohm’s theory Polkinghorne explains,
“In Bohm’s theory there are particles which are as unproblematically objective and deterministic in their behaviour as Sir Isaac Newton himself might have wished them to be. However, there is also a hidden wave, encoding information about the whole environment. It is not itself directly observable, but it influences in a subtle and highly sensitive manner the motions of the particles in just such a way as to induce the experimentally observed probabilistic effects.”

What this means is that the apparent indeterminism present at the quantum level can be explained deterministically by this hidden wave that produces observed indeterministic or probabilistic effects. However, since these two interpretations of quantum theory are empirically equivalent the choice between them will not be based on a scientific decision but on a metaphysical one. This leads to the philosophical objection to this contention.

Thirdly, from a philosophical perspective it is extremely difficult for these physicists (who adopt an indeterministic explanation of sub-atomic events) to justify their conclusions. This is because without the innate concept of causality we will not have the mental framework to understand our observations and experiences. In philosophical terms causality is a priori, which means knowledge we have independent of any experience. We know causality is true because we bring it to all our experience, rather than our experience bringing it to us. It is like wearing yellow-tinted glasses, everything looks yellow not because of anything out there in the world, but because of the glasses through which we are looking at everything. [i]

The gravitation singularity(infinite density) is another theory there is an infinit regress before the big bang. I'm not a physicist nor a mathematician, but I know some of them hold to the theory that zero is equal to infinity since zero doesn't contain any properties. Is there any evidence time start from zero?

[quote]So with this, anything that has a beginning must surely have a end, the universe will end one day, What will God be doing then?
I don't know why this God necessary need to exist before the universe can come into existence, is God dependent on universe? why call it God? What if it is a phenomenon that's yet to be known?

ChucE:
Well bro Rilwayne, I just converted my jamb score to a percentage by dividing it by 400 and then multiplied the answer I got by 100. Then I added the jamb percentage which I got to my putme percentage. after which I then divided it by 2. My jamb percentage was 67.5%+ my putme percentage which is 84%. I got 151.5. Then I divided it by 2 and then got 75.75. Its that simple.

Lol

FriendNG:
Shut up afonja empty skull. If dem vote for him na your vote.

Only deadbrain gworo-eaters vote for mediocrity, so we won't be surprised.

BLINGZ88:
You are God that can see the future. How do you know that she's gonna Bleep around with random dudes.

No. That's not what I'm implying o. What I mean is that, most of those kids nowadays are so expose that they are more enlightened than even some adults. With this current computer age, they tend to showcase behavior that even their mama have never seen before. Since they have access to the Internet, from Facebook to Instagram to 2go and so on, they are exposed to sex. And then you will see 13year old girl claiming to have boyfriend. I mean what do you expect of a such relationship? If it doesn't make such girl get an unwanted pregnant (or can't a 13year old get pregnant) or even contact all sorts of disease at such tender age.. Although with close monitoring and counseling, such a situation can be prevented, but most of those kids are stiff-neck that they won't listen no matter what, wouldn't it be better to give such stiff-necked kid out in marriage that for her to be fucking around till she gets hiv or an unwanted pregnancy?

Empiree:
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We in the same show brother. They've broken my heart so tey'
I now hate them than poo.. Lol

Intellad:
notting is impossible with apc

Yesso.. It could be another of their numerous propaganda, all in a bid to point to it as an achievement the moment they eradicate it.

haywire07:
Their religious book gave them permission to do that .

Same way the Bible gave this Pastor the permission to use a 1year old girl for ritual http://dailypost.ng/2017/08/26/pastor-caught-fresh-heart-one-year-old-girl-calabar/

Like they won't still vote for him in 2019.

All these abokies that should be selling gworo and suya be sitting for one corner saying rubbish on national issues as if they have an opinion... Well, it's una time to sha. But sha nothing lasts forever.

Empiree:
Why go to Russia knowing too well they not gonna make it to 2nd round

Epp me ask them o.. They won't even make it out of the group

ChucE:
Nice result you got there bro. Well. from my calculations, you have an aggregate score of 78.25. That's good though, heard cutoff mark for medicine is 70. My own aggregate is 75.75 and am not even from the catchment area ( am Igbo ). Let's hope we get admitted.

How did you calculate that?

BLINGZ88:
Bro, I'm not down for this argument. sell ur sister or cousin or niece to whoever at 15, the law is on your side. I'm sorry for the little girl. and I pray for all underage girls all over the whole that have been given off to marriage.

I don't think I can give out my sister or niece or whoever at 15 for marriage, if I am to do that, there'll k be to be a cogent reason. My point is, giving out a girl out at 15 is not entirely wrong in a general sense, neither is it right in a general sense. It depends on reason on ground and how we may chose to see it.

Is it not better for an underage girl to be given out in marriage than for her to be f*cking random dudes around?

tintingz:
The question will still keep popping up, where did God originate from if everything originate from something.

I told you the other day that God is eternal.. He is the unmoved mover. Uncreated creator.

The infinite regression is still a strong debate.Because our reasoning is limited for now doesn't invalidate the arguments of infinite regression, we don't know if there is an entity outside our reasoning(universe), the more reason I'm agnostic about it, but what religious people are good at is filling the gaps with god(god of gaps).

I already told you HERE that there are two possibilities on this. That: (1) going back either we eventually reach the first event, the cause at the beginning of the universe that set everything going. This first cause, the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. (2)or there is no first event in the series and the past stretches back into infinity, which you are supposing up here. I told you the other day that this (2) is not possible because If I told you that I had just counted down from infinity to zero, starting with “infinity minus zero” and carrying on until I reached “infinite minus infinity, i.e zero”, then you would know that this claim is false. Just as it is impossible to count up from zero to infinity, so it is impossible to count down from infinity to zero. If I had started counting down from infinity and kept going, then I would still be counting to this day; I would not have finished. My claim to have counted down from infinity to zero must be false. This is because it is impossible to traverse an infinite series.

This idea that the universe has an infinite past is just as problematic as the idea that I have just counted down from infinity. If the universe had an infinite past, then time would have had to count down from infinity to reach time zero, the present, and so would not have reached it. The fact that we have reached the present therefore shows that the past is not infinite but finite. The universe has a beginning. This claim, of course, has been confirmed by modern science, who trace the universe back to a point of origin in the ‘big bang’. [1]

Now apply Occam's Razor to the two and see which is simpler and logical.

[1]

BLINGZ88:
it is wrong from whatever angle you want to look at it from.

Kindly highlight all that are wrong about it.

indodon:
before he's 25 she would have given birth to three or four kids ...




and the nigga wee goan marry another 15 yr old hahahahah

Bwahahaha

BLINGZ88:
Christian o, Muslim o. this thing is not right

Not in the general sense though.

NotNairalandi:
To see if you will tell him lies, make Him use slap scatter your face!

funny

PointZerom:
Tax evader spotted.

So the government only generate their salaries through Tax alone right?

GeeString:
Stupid, ignorant & misinformed question. If you are not paying them, I am.The tax I pay is what is channeled into every security personnel's salary including Police & soldiers so we have a right to know where our money is going to.Just because you are an aimless street yahoo boy doesnt mean there aren't responsible people out there.Nonsense.

And you had to call me stupid to show your point? Of course I know the tax we pay is part of the channel through which they get their monthly salary from, but the question is, is tax the only channel through which government generate revenue from? If yes, is it enough to service their monthly salaries ? And lastly do you even pay tax? If yes, show proof of evidence. Until then, you remain a flibbertigibet nincompoop for calling me stupid unnecessarily.

And even though you don't know, yet you are so quick to tag me a Yahoo boy, are you naturally daft or just trying to act like a doofus?

PointZerom:
Useless soldier. Na this foolish act we're paying you for?.

Show his pics fighting BOKO Haram.

See this one, are you the one paying them?

tintingz:
Why do religious people always find anything negative about their God offensive, why?

You have no reason whatsoever to speak ill of what others hold in high esteem. There's a way reasonable and intelligent unbelievers argue God with believers without attacking it in a very nauseating way the way you are doing. Respect is reciprocal they say. It is the more reason why I chose to ignore you as you are starting to become more boring and less intelligent as you've started to ask unintelligent question. Like tbaba opined the other day, it's either that you are not sincere with yourself or your ego has taken over your humility as you now feel like you know things that others and that others are ignorant.

Well I don't blame you, I blame those replying your unintelligent questions.

FriendNG:
I don't care. I am after dealing with any1 who is attacking our personality as an individual or as people.

And in your stupid mind, you assume you are superior to others and that they are your slaves?

FriendNG:
No. I have to reply to cut that pride in him.

Your reply is nonsense and silly at the same time, that's my point.

FriendNG:
[s] Those you tag unity beggars are the ones who dictate to your grand generation, still dictating to you and shall shall dictate to your future generation.You shall forever be slaves to the unity beggars. [/s]

Is it not better to ignore instead of saying nonsense?

tintingz:
So by this, you agree Allah is in brothel seeing people having sex, Allah is in virus, diseases that kills/killed billions of living beings, Allah is in poop, dirt, Allah is in hell?Now tell me how is Allah different from shaitan? Tell me how shaitan is the villain that lives in dirt according to Islamic manuscripts, is Allah also inside shaitan?With this, you have to convince me Allah is not different from shaitan or not the villain.

You are becoming really boring.

iceboy4752:
So if they cancel it now they think they've done something good abi.. Maybe they'll now rewrite it in January when people are supposed to be preparing for JAMB.

They didn't cancel anything, don't mind the hungry OP.

Wrong info. All these bloggers and stupid posts.

chemystery:
It really cracks me up bro. Atheism is a type of religion after all. And they worship "no god" - which is also a type of god after all. Kikikikikikiki!

Atheism is the religion of 'no god'