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 Christianity Etc › Re: Masterful Analysis On The Alleged Crucifiction Of Jesus Christ by Rilwayne001(op): 9:47pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
DoctorAshley: those who lack faith will neva understand  1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Masterful Analysis On The Alleged Crucifiction Of Jesus Christ by Rilwayne001(op): 9:17pm On Jul 28, 2014*. Modified: 9:40pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
Reliable testimony? HOW many women at the tomb? Four + ? Luke 24.10: "It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles ." Three ? Mark 16.1: " And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene , and Mary the mother of James, and Salome , had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. " Two ? Matthew 28.1: " In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre ." One ? John 20.1: "The first day of the week came Mary Magdalene early, when itwas yet dark, to the sepulchre, and saw the stone taken away from the sepulchre. " None ! 1 Corinthians 15.4,8: " He rose again the third day according to the scriptures. And that he was seen of Cephas , then of the twelve . After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once ; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles . And last of all he was seen of me ." Luke has his own stab at beefing up the Resurrection Rambling with the Lord Luke, also working from Mark's original yarn, has nothing to say about "guards" or an "earthquake" but makes a simple enough enhancement to the opening scene: the single angel becomes " two men in shining garments". He clarifies that they are, in fact, angels by having them materialize in the presence of the "perplexed" women. The angels' message (spoken in unison?) is " He is not here, but is risen! " – identical to that used by Mark – but now the angels remind the women of Jesus Christ's prophetic words about crucifixion and third-day rising (just imagine, they had forgotten! ) The obedient women go tell " the eleven and all the rest " but are not believed and Luke doesn't mention the women again. However, rising star Peter is sufficiently stirred by their report that he rushes off to the tomb himself where he finds the discarded burial clothes and "marvels". Luke now intrudes his own major contribution into the "resurrection tradition" – the Emmaus encounter. This is the "most detailed" of all the resurrection reports – a whole twenty verses! Oddly enough, for what is arguably the most important country walk in history, the two witnesses are otherwise unknown and only one is even named! The one thing we can be sure of is they were NOT disciples – the "eleven" appear later in the same story. The yarn almost certainly post-dates what follows and has been patched into an earlier point in the tale. Luke reports that a man named "Cleopas" and an unnamed individual were on their way to Emmaus (a town so poorly attested that nine sites contend for the honour!) when the resurrected Jesus joined them but was unrecognized. Luke's Jesus lectures the "foolish" men on their failure to believe the prophets : “ O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! ... And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself ." This stress on scriptural prophecy – rather than the sheer marvel of resurrection – betrays the didactic purpose of the passage. Confronted with a risen corpse who would need a scriptural endorsement to believe?! The whole purpose is to demand belief from scripture without evidence. The episode finishes with a gesture towards the Eucharist. At dinner, Jesus becomes "known to them in the breaking of bread ." Immediately our hero "vanishes from their sight." TO BE CONTINUED |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Masterful Analysis On The Alleged Crucifiction Of Jesus Christ by Rilwayne001(op): 9:17pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
THE "EMPTY TOMB" – THAT WASN'T EMPTY! Testimony of an angel – Vacuous Nonsense The earliest extant gospel manuscripts – whether Greek, Latin, Syriac, Coptic, or Armenian – make it embarrassingly obvious that the original version of Mark (upon which the other three evangelists built their own stories) finished at verse 16.8, that is, before the resurrection addendum of verses 9-20. Mark's original Jesus tale ended with nothing more impressive than an[b] "empty tomb" [/b]– except that the tomb wasn't empty at all! "And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted." – Mark 16.5 The visitors – and again the audience – receive an explanation from the conveniently waiting angel (a "man in white"  – "It was a resurrection!"This "young man" verbalizes the sacred message; Jesus Christ is not here, but is risen, and will be seen again in Galilee. Thus the first "witness" to the resurrection is neither man nor woman but angel . The bewildered women flee the tomb, having received the angel's assurance that a resurrection has occurred – one absurdity vouching for another. Presumably, the women remembered the angel's injunction to tell the disciples, but, "afraid", they tell no one. And yet, if the women told no one, how could Mark be telling his story?! The naivety – and brevity – of this foundational "event" is breathtaking. As it stands, Mark's testimony to the resurrection is about as convincing as the assurance of a fortune cookie. The later gospels will improve upon this "eye-witness testimony" and provide responses to the obvious objections. THE STORY GET BETTER (WORSE) Jesus himself puts in an appearance "Initially Christians would simply have believed that Christ was risen; later, various stories about his appearances entered the tradition as attempts to substantiate this claim." – G. Wells, The Historical Evidence for Jesus, p44. The author of Matthew adds drama to the minimalistic yarn inherited from Mark , notably a "first appearance" of the resurrected Jesus. Matthew begins by introducing tomb guards – unknown to Mark , or anyone else for that matter. The guards, in fact, will get more attention than the resurrection itself. Matthew introduces a "dramatic touch" – one that he has also used in his description of the crucifixion – an earthquake: "There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it." – Matthew 28.2. Notice that Matthew solves one riddle left by Mark by having the angel move the stone. In Matthew's draft the female visitors are still "frightened yet filled with joy ", so now they are able to tell the disciples the good news (28.  . Matthew thus removes the anomaly left by Mark of how the story could be known.Matthew wants something more compelling than the testimony of an angel, so he intrudes an appearance of Jesus himself into the path of the running women. But Matthew has no new dialogue; his Jesus merely repeats words already spoken by the angel in Mark. The women say nothing but "clasp the feet" of the risen saviour: "Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshipped him." Now that Jesus gives "evidence" of his own resurrection, and the same instruction to "go to Galilee", the role of the angel has become redundant and the text reads oddly! While these dramatic events are in progress the enigmatic guards, more seriously frightened than the women (!) " shake and become like dead men." Matthew turns his attention back to these traumatized wimps, using them as a ploy to start a so-called "rumour" that Christian's have found useful ever since – the "stolen body" straw man: " While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. [/b]When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, [b]"You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day ." – Matthew 28.11-15. This entire episode is directed at the objection that if the body wasn't in the tomb then an obvious explanation would be that somebody had removed it. The guards and the "sealing of the sepulchre" are intended to silence this objection. Why did the guards have to be made "as dead men"? Surely extra witnesses to the momentous event would have been useful? Precisely because the story is a fabrication. If it had really happened the testimony of a squad of temple guards, not followers of Jesus, would have started a chain of events that just did not happen. As a "real event" the passage is beset with problems. How on earth did the comatose guards know "everything that had happened"? How could they admit to being asleep yet be certain that the disciples had stolen the body?  Even more difficult to explain is how the author of Matthew could himself possibly know of the dastardly plan hatched by the chief priests and elders, which he anticipates as early as 27.64 with a meeting between priests, Pharisees and Pilate! So unrealistic is that suggestion that Matthew had to use the circumlocution "The day after the day of Preparation " rather than admit such a meeting would have disgraced the Sabbath !But they are the least of the difficulties. Was it a case that the Jewish priests understood clearly Jesus' prediction of his resurrection in three days but the disciples remained clueless? Are we to suppose that the Jewish leaders actually believed the "angel/resurrection" story told to them by the guards but chose to cover it up – and offered large sums of money to do so?! Matthew closes his tale with the eleven on a mountain in Galilee and the promised appearance of Jesus. Even now some doubt but he commissions them anyway to[i] "go make disciples of all nations ".[/i] |
| Christianity Etc › Masterful Analysis On The Alleged Crucifiction Of Jesus Christ by Rilwayne001(op): 9:16pm On Jul 28, 2014*. Modified: 9:48pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
NOTE: Dont Just Scan Through, Read Thoroughly. This thread is not created to bash anybody but to enlighten the reader. DEDICATED TO: True2god, Truthman2012, malvisguy212, francistony, macelliot and all other NL members. INTRODUCTION It is not the peripatetic "ministry" of Jesus, with all its healings, wise teachings and astounding miracles, that is the bedrock of the Christian religion. Rather, it is the extraordinary melodrama of his death and resurrection, sometimes expressed as the "promise of the cross" or in the pithy aphorism, "No Resurrection, No Christianity." It is therefore, perhaps, quite shocking that the biblical statements that purport to support the reversal of the most certain of laws – that the dead stay dead – amounts, in toto, to less than 600 words. The "conquest of death", it would seem, rests upon the evidence of rather fewer words than the text of a McDonald's Happy Meal menu! Sad to relate, but there are NO independent, corroborated, disinterested or contemporary accounts of the "resurrection" of Jesus Christ, although that claim is often made. The truth is that ALL that passes for testimony for the Risen Lord comes from the same storybook and a handful of unsubstantiated characters. Whilst it is almost certainly the case that in their original format the gospels circulated as distinct writings, they are in no sense independent testimonies. This is particularly the case with the passion and resurrection narratives, a motley collection of terse, hearsay reports derived from a common source and built into a common, confused and confusing, tradition. The rational mind is aghast at the limitations, flaws and contradictions of the biblical sound-bites. Yet this is the bedrock of the Christian faith. For all the deficiency of the incredulous claims, those who want to believe will believe. It's called "faith." MAIN TOPIC Mark – a star witness? "Faith rests on the historical testimony of those who saw and gave witness." The post-mortem appearances to be found in Matthew, Luke and John, though each adding flourishes of their own, are all built on a core story accredited to a shadowy figure called "Mark". Whoever "Mark " was, he was certainly no eye-witness to either the life or death of Jesus. Church tradition maintains that "Mark" – said to have been the erstwhile travelling companion of Paul – went to Rome and wrote down the testimony of Peter. But, on Mark's own evidence, Peter himself was NOT a witness to many of the events described in his own gospel, including the baptism of Jesus, the temptation of Jesus, the healing of the Phoenician woman's daughter, Jesus Christ's prayers in the garden of Gethsemane ( all possible witnesses were asleep!) and even the crucifixion itself: " They all forsook him and fled. " – Mark 14:50. Even supposing Peter was hanging around Golgotha, how could Peter know, for example, what the centurion said at the cross or Pilate's reaction to Joseph of Arimathea? We have to create multiple, unknown testimonies to keep Peter informed. As for the resurrection appearances, Peter could only rely on information from Mary Magdalen, or perhaps the other Mary or Salome. And yet the women themselves relied on the testimony of an angel – and said nothing! Matthew, Luke and John copied from Mark, who heard from Peter, who heard from Mary , who heard from an angel . How's THAT for "eye-witness" testimony?! "Look – an empty tomb!" "Every known Gospel of early times, alike in the great Church and in heretical circles, used St Mark as the leading authority for the history of the life of Jesus." – C. Turner, "The Gospel of Mark", A New Commentary on Holy Scripture, III. p46. Mark's resurrection story begins with a rolled stone and an empty tomb (but even that idea wasn't original*). Early Christians were unhappy with the abrupt and enigmatic ending of Mark and set to work on improving the text. " At least nine versions of the ending of Mark can be found among the 1,700 surviving ancient Greek manuscripts and early translations of the gospel." – Michael W. Holmes, Easter: Exploring the Resurrection of Jesus , (BAR, 2010) WHY MOVE THE STONE AT ALL? The "Rolled Stone" – a theatrical flourish "On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them [/b]and said to them, "Peace be with you." – John 20.19. Although the gospels tell us that the resurrected Jesus appeared and disappeared at will, popping up and vanishing " in the midst of them ", it was still necessary to "b[b] move the stone " for him to exit the tomb. But why? Why didn't Jesus Christ teleport out of the tomb leaving the stone in place? Now that would have been even more impressive! The anomaly betrays the fabricated nature of the post- mortem appearances of the Christian godman. A god would not have needed to move the stone but the storyteller did! With the stone still in place who would have known something miraculous had happened? A god that materializes in a closed room in Jerusalem, on the shore of Lake Tiberias, or on a mountain in Galilee, most certainly needed no stone moved to allow him to leave a tomb. But the narrator of a sacred play needed the "moved stone" as a theatrical flourish, in order that female visitors to the tomb (and the audience) could see "the body ... gone!" We are talking theatre, not history. 2 Likes |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You See Prophet Mohammed? by Rilwayne001: 5:00pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
malvisguy212: the quran is against the gospel. Jesus die to reconcile us back to God after the fall of man. if you read the bible very well and the quran, you will find out that the solid foundation God use to build the believers faith, quran deny it, satan challenge jesus if He is the son of God, the same tin the quran did, the quran deny ,jesus is not the son of God. They are many.Okay.... i dont have your time. watch out for my thread 2nyt.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You See Prophet Mohammed? by Rilwayne001: 10:33am On Jul 28, 2014 |
He brought the solution to the problem of this world... He came to accomplish the mission of Jesus... He came to preach the oness of God Almighty.. He accomplished the mission Jesus was unable to accomplish.. He is the seal of the prophets of God almighty.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Do You See Prophet Mohammed? by Rilwayne001: 10:31am On Jul 28, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I see him as a good man but satan take advantage of his kindness by tryin to question the authority of the word of God, satan did the same tin at the beginning when he said HAS GOD SAID? He try the same tin to jesus christ, when he said IF YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD.......so I see muhammad as a good man but satan take the advantage of his kindness.How? |
| Politics › Re: Police Arrests 5 Suspects Over Bomb Blast In Kano by Rilwayne001: 10:10am On Jul 28, 2014 |
may God continue to expose em |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hama Terrorists Complains That The Jewish God Changes The Flight Of Their Rocket by Rilwayne001: 6:03am On Jul 28, 2014 |
cbrass: No they don'tWhich God are we talking about Jesus of Yahweh? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hama Terrorists Complains That The Jewish God Changes The Flight Of Their Rocket by Rilwayne001: 8:39pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
malvisguy212: if the believe in Him, they would'nt have war with israel,Can you please tell me what initially prompt the war? malvisguy212: if there are christians in palestine, God will protect them.Really... Then what is the population of Christians in Israel? Dont forget that abt 70% of Israel are not christians oo malvisguy212: Today is salah, so you ague on salah day? Try rest o.This is not an argument, Just some kind of clarification by asking questions. And please answer my questions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hama Terrorists Complains That The Jewish God Changes The Flight Of Their Rocket by Rilwayne001: 7:13pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
cbrass: No not only them but to others that believe in HimOkay...so Palestinian do not believe in him? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hama Terrorists Complains That The Jewish God Changes The Flight Of Their Rocket by Rilwayne001: 2:04pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
cbrass: Its a known fact bro, no one... and I repeat no one can conquer the God of israel , if not for their ways of sinning He won't have chased them from the land of their inheritance@bolded...which means that he only rule and protect Israel...right? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hama Terrorists Complains That The Jewish God Changes The Flight Of Their Rocket by Rilwayne001: 12:18pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
cbrass: You atheist and unbelievers can rant for all I care but I have not forgotten the God of the 6days war in 1967. If the hamas guys want to die let them keep fighting, infact I don't even want the war to end, am just thinking....who will save the the palestinians from the fury of Israel..no not one, not even egypt will dare. The God of israel He is God! keep fooling yourself 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: The Moon Has Been Sighted, Sunday, July 27, 2014 is Eid-Ul-Fitr by Rilwayne001: 4:47am On Jul 27, 2014 |
espn: it baffles me when ppl fink lik dis..I dnt want to use d F word my dear bro..r u God..so u teln me science is so perfect dat u r sure d moon will b sighted by 2:38 pm on 27/07/14..dats insanity!ppl lik u end up becoming extreminist nd waste innocenct soul due to ur naiveity and stupidity..u end up misleading multitudes of ppl..smh!if I v u as a broda..I wil flog u everdy!You dont have to be harsh bro.. |
| Islam › Re: The Moon Has Been Sighted, Sunday, July 27, 2014 is Eid-Ul-Fitr by Rilwayne001: 4:21am On Jul 27, 2014 |
Alhadulilah...let the confirmation keep comin in please |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hama Terrorists Complains That The Jewish God Changes The Flight Of Their Rocket by Rilwayne001: 10:30pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
malvisguy212: i'v been observing you, you talk/chat as if you know everytin , nobody know pass you,history, you are the best, science you are excellent, even the bible, you know it more than we, the christian, but the bible say, THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD THAT PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING, you are to boastful and proud like a lion,on one thread, you even say to someone"he should ask for the reform of his school fee" funny,forget about religion and others things for now, know this, the word you say to someone may discourage him somehow, thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Rilwayne001: 8:08pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
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| Health › Re: Illegal Bottom Injections On Rise In US- BBC by Rilwayne001: 7:38am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Nicki Minaj's bottom is fakeO yeah...bt that first pix is a very old pix..ryt? |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Can Defeat B’haram, Says Buhari by Rilwayne001: 5:15am On Jul 25, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: O yeah, it isnt common at all cos you just showcase it, by calling me a drunkard when you actually didnt see me drinkin anythang |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Can Defeat B’haram, Says Buhari by Rilwayne001: 5:13am On Jul 25, 2014 |
Shafiu1: Common sense is not common..O yeah, it isnt common at all cos you just showcase it. by calling me a drunkard when you actually didnt see me drinkin anythang Shafiu1: .TribalistWhat gave u this impression? ^^ |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Can Defeat B’haram, Says Buhari by Rilwayne001: 4:51am On Jul 25, 2014 |
Shafiu1: After 4 yrs the drunkard must leave..He won't rule forever his partner in crime (Drunkard Like u).Bros.. e be like say you are the drunkard here, you smoke your thing early this morning abi  |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Can Defeat B’haram, Says Buhari by Rilwayne001: 4:06am On Jul 25, 2014*. Modified: 4:58am On Jul 25, 2014 |
GEJ (clueless) & PEJ till 2015 val day...wether you guys like it or not. Lets try another party we can just continue with this People Deceiving people of a party PDP = out APC = in Jona the clueless can go to **** e-boo boys and all other bottom licker please do not quote me.. 10 Likes |
| Culture › Re: How Many Greek Legends Were Really True by Rilwayne001: 4:05am On Jul 25, 2014*. Modified: 4:37am On Jul 25, 2014 |
If you ask mee na who i go ask?  meanwhile I prefer the Egyptian mythology to it tho |
| Health › Re: Illegal Bottom Injections On Rise In US- BBC by Rilwayne001: 4:03am On Jul 25, 2014*. Modified: 4:49am On Jul 25, 2014 |
Everygirl wants to be like Nicki Minaj....SMH If our Nigeria ladies get to know about such injection, am very sure they will rush at it.... 8 Likes |
| Health › Re: Top 10 Most Damaging Brain Habits by Rilwayne001: 4:02am On Jul 25, 2014 |
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| Politics › Re: Jonathan Calls Buhari Over Kaduna Bomb Blast by Rilwayne001: 5:05pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Liars Are Finaly Exposed, Original Bible Later Found by Rilwayne001: 11:29am On Jul 24, 2014 |
malvisguy212: with God all things are possible, unless you don't believe in miracle. Do you? I may not feed 50people or change water to wine, but one thin for sure, I can do miracle through the name of jesus.Jesus said you can do more than what he did, now you affirm that you cant even do any of the miracle he performed. Is your faith in jesus not strong enough? or is the name of jesus not powerful again? btw. what can you do then? malvisguy212: Funny guy,if you want to set trap , is it not were you will kill many meat you will set the trap? If you say boko haram are people in the politics, I may reason with you, but for you to say they are christian, that a very very big lie, I remember when they have not started killing muslims, all the hausa guys are very happy with them, there kid are even calling them self boko haram, but just when the boko boys start killing muslims, they start causing them and sayin they are christian.what are you saying here |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Liars Are Finaly Exposed, Original Bible Later Found by Rilwayne001: 5:15pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
malvisguy212: John12:14. New International Version Very truly I tell you, whoever believes inAccording to the bible Jesus turned water to wine, can you do that? even your pastor..can he do it? or ever did it? Jesus fed more than 5000men with a loaf of bread, can you do that? even your pastor..can he do it? or ever did it? Jesus walked on sea according to the bible, can you do it? even your pastor..can he do it? or ever did it? Jesus said if you believe in him and tell a mountain to throw itself into a river,it will surely happen, can you do that? even your pastor..can he do it? or ever did it? Please answer all my kwestions dont skip them abeg.... malvisguy212: No point agueing with you, have you ever believe anytin? Bt if it Allah write on a meat or tree, you will believe even you were not there.mtsheew.. how does this relate to what we are sayin... the miracle of islam is everywherr for you to see aside all that you state up there. malvisguy212: Let me derail. boko haram are bombing places now in kaduna, they first target the preacher were he was holding the tafsir, there are thousand of people but they did not put the bomb there, they waited after he finish the tafsir, they follow his convoy and attack him, thank God he was not dead, they follow him again but to God be the glory , he survive. NOW IF BOKO HARAM ARE SPONSOR BY CAN, WHY THEY DID NOT PUT THE BOMB IN THE STADIUM WERE HE WAS HOLDIN THE TAFSIR?so are you saying that the bomb despite missing there major target never killed anybody most especially people comin out of the tafsir programme? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Liars Are Finaly Exposed, Original Bible Later Found by Rilwayne001: 4:17pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
malvisguy212: it mean there is christ in you, , THAT WHY JESUS SAY, IF YOU BELIEVE IN MY NAME, YOU WILL DO GREATER THINGS THAN THIS.Can you please quote out the passage where he said so and do exactly what he did in the passage? malvisguy212: THE LAST TIME I SICK, IT WAS AROUND 1995 I THINK, IT WAS A TEREBLE SICKNESS, AFTER I GET WELL , I SAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS, I WILL NEVER VISIT HOSPITAL AGAIN, UPTILL TODAY I HAVE NOT VISITED HOSPITAL AS A SICK PERSON.You don start again....? enh GLEL ...meanwhile, going to the hospital does not matter, you can just branch a chemist to buy drugs or go to "iya alagbo" to buy herbal concotion. The same way am living my life, av never been to the hospital ever since i 1994...except when i went to remove my bad teeth and whenever my kinsfolk give birth. Or are you saying you have'nt taken any drug to relief you of certain ailment since 1995? btw.. of all the evil things going on in nigeria, is that the only testimony you can give concerning Jesus name? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Liars Are Finaly Exposed, Original Bible Later Found by Rilwayne001: 3:51pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
malvisguy212: do you know what it meant by shouting blood of jesus to the enemy?What does it mean? and how often does it work? |
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