stayreal:


Exactly

1. Yorubas cannot and will not desire leaving Nigeria unless the Igbos seceded from Nigeria successfully. Their secession would be driven more by fear of their remaining neighbours in the North rather than the desire to truly be independent.

2. Due to early dealings with the British, they were given much assistance by the British to build Lagos into a defacto commercial capital of West Africa , along with the busiest airport in west Africa. One of the main greviences of the Igbos is federal neglect to build up a proper seaport in the east and true international airport in the east... both of which are federally funded, regulated and controlled. Because of the purposeful neglect by the federal government Igbos must travel primarly to Lagos before coming east which is waste of time and resources in addition to making Yorubas rich who own hostels, taxis, etc. There is a whole ecocomy that thrives off of this... thus a truly restructrd Nigeria or the creation of Biafra will hurt Yoruba pockets more than many people. One just needs to see Lagos every December when Igbos to back east. Imagine if they never came back, many Yoruba businesses would go the way of the dodo bird.

3. Aside from a few of the monthly killings of Yorubas by fulani herdsmen, yorubas are content with assuming a submissive role to the North as long as they are getting their share of federal oil money that comes from the Niger Delta. This is the reason why today you have among the Yoruba billionaires in US dollars that own oil will in non-Yoruba lands.

4. A Yoruba cannot say directly what they would benefit from being without Nigeria as it is currently constructed. If anything they would lose a lot more including no longer having Igbos as people to buffer or to use as a political scapegoat to shield them from their more aggressive friends in the North. Nigeria when fully examined is perfect for the Yoruba. Hence, the reason why any talks of a need for Oduduwa or restructing from a Yoruba's mouth should be treated as nothing more than comedic relief.

You just wrote nonsense.

We are an independent nation. We look forward to the progress and greatness of Nigeria. We do this by staying back in our own region developing it and we expect others to do the same in their own regions, but they won't.

You don't expect a place to develop when it's people abandon it to go and enjoy the efforts of other people in their own region.

The reason why you people see yourselves as slaves in Nigeria is because you people are abandoning your states for other people's states.
You don't assimilate into their culture and you are angry that they don't fully accept you. No Yorubaman living in a place other than his own will attempt to impose himself or his way of life on his host.

Nigeria remains forever. Think development not cecession.

DabuIIIT:


hes got nothing to offer,hes only mocking the easterners,that they aint listening to their elders but listening to Kanu who he likened to Adeyinka Grandson..and dont u see them,shameless things,mocking their own Adeyinka Grandson?! Ask urself,whos their leader/elders that they are paying attention to? We all know Afenifere are their leaders buh do they listen to them? When Afenifere warned them against following tinubu in the last election that brought the present evil,buhari, upon us all,did they listen? Havent they been calling their Afenifere elders all manner of unprintable names cos they rejected buhari? They opted instead for their tin god,tinubu and here we are today! Search the site very well and u will come accross threads oped by yorubas where they took turns to lambast Afenifere elders like Odumakin,etc. They termed the Ibadan parley last week Pdp agenda! Smh. These ppl are as evil as buhari! And the op is ranting about "an elder sitting,seeing far beyond what the youth will see atop a tree"..
Ogogoro ppl following a drug pushing area boy ogogoro elder

Only a stupid Yoruba will listen to Adeyinka'a son.

Ereolamide:
I don't intend to mock Igbos, Igbos have the right to self-determination; whatever ways they choose to pursue it and its consequences are none of my business.
Our elders say that 'Ogbon ologbon ko je ka pe agba in were', 'Agba to jin so koto o ko ara yoku logbon'

Some months ago a young man released a video claiming to be the chosen leader of Yoruba youths ready to fight the Nigeria government with chemical weapons and other war thingamajigs for Yoruba's self determination, some people recognized him as Adeyinkas grandson, the internet went agog, a lot of jest was thrown around about how cowardly the tribe (Yoruba) the man claimed to represent, some even dared him to come down to Nigeria since he was domiciled abroad.

Here on Nairaland, many well known Yoruba monikers tapped into his rage, they started insulting Yoruba elders 'they're too docile, they're cowards and so on.'

The question these Yoruba youths should ask themselves are: during June 12 protest who led the protest, who fought Abacha government, who sponsored Radio Kudirat?

Simple answer: our fathers and mothers did, not just any Yoruba father and mother; well known and popular Yoruba bigwigs, politicians, some kings, lawyers and human right activists; they all came out to embrace the bullet, they dared the evil in human form Sani Abacha; how many Yoruba youths were killed, how many elders were killed? Many, but not as much as it would've been without the support of our elites.

They turned up the heat so much that a terrible military dictator couldn't step into the southwest, the beast died like a dog at the end, you may wonder why that was so?

Yoruba elite supported the masses and vice versa, for the injustice meted on Yoruba tribe, the region was chanting the same pledge, that is the power of a stable culture and tradition, our culture should keep having a stronghold on our lives, let our leaders and elders be the one to talk first, like they have done at the recent Ibadan conference which was a perfect example of the Ogboni conference of ancient times, it is not a sign of cowardice if we obey them, we have this system of checks and balances that won't allow a single person no matter how right he might be, lead us astray into quagmires.

We all know the proverb that says: what an elder sees when sitting a child will not see even if he's atop a tree; our elders have the foresight and ancient wisdom, let them lead us gently, with their international recognition they'll get us out of this useless contraption called Nigeria when the time comes, as we too become elders let us embrace the virtue of patience and tact.

Weeks have passed, so many dawns and dusks, what have we heard about the grandson of Adeyinka?

I am Yoruba and do not support the break up of Nigeria. It is not the solution to our challenges.

Fiscal federalism is.

Things will not continue like this forever.

whatofyou:


You should feel proud he is obsessed with your tribe, or should he be obsessed with his. People become obsessed with you because they think you are better them, because they think you have a secret, and they want to learn from it.
They find it hard to accept that the ulterior motive of the 20 Pounds on Igbos backfired. Igbos can never accept servitude. You should actually praise God that this guy is obsessed with you.

This is about correcting distorted history, misinformation and disinformation by Igbo propagandists about the 20 pounds policy and the sincerity of Awolowo.

PoolBuilder:
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King, Jr.



http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/obafemi-awolowo-archives/exclusive-chief-obafemi-awolowo-on-biafra-in-his-own-words.html

TWENTY POUNDS POLICY

That’s what I did, and the case of the money they said was not given back to them, you know during the war all the pounds were looted, they printed Biafran currency notes, which they circulated, at the close of the war some people wanted their Biafran notes to be exchanged for them. Of course I couldn’t do that, if I did that the whole country would be bankrupt. We didn’t know about Biafran notes and we didn’t know on what basis they have printed them, so we refused the Biafran note, but I laid down the principle that all those who had savings in the banks on the eve of the declaration of the Biafran war or Biafra, will get their money back if they could satisfy us that they had the savings there, or the money there. Unfortunately, all the banks’s books had been burnt, and many of the people who had savings there didn’t have their saving books or their last statement of account, so a panel had to be set up.

!.On no occasion did awo state that people fleeing pogroms transferred or took their savings back home, a person fleeing killers has no time
for such matters and the policy was predicated on the looted pounds in central bank branches,do individuals save money in Central bank branches?

2.In the sceond Bolded part , its either Awo was a dimwit or reveled in stupidity,"all the banks’s books had been burnt", All which banks, the banks in Lagos, Kano, Ibadan, Maiduguri, jos etc books were burnt, the savings of Igbo Soldiers, Policemen, railway workers,teachers etc
An impossible statement, if Bank books could get burnt , how do expect people who passed through years of hell to produce passbooks or statements of account,unless someone has passed a tumbler of stupidity to you.

It is quite unfortunate that a search on this issue has Nairaland as its top source, sowing the seeds of ignorance with the confidence of
donald Trump



https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/usaafricadialogue/nzQaJ3uhoOI

THE CASE OF ENWEZOR V. CBN REVISITED.

“I write with reference to your letter (Ref – FRAW/AO/CB/11/71 of 8th October, 1971 to inform you that your client’s entitlement as a depositor was £20 ex gratia award authorized by the Federal Government”

Signed by E. N. ISONG
Governor of Central Bank of Nigeria

As applied by the Supreme Court of Nigeria in the celebrated case of CHIEF J. J. ENWEOZOR V. CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (1976)1 ALL NLR PAGE 252 AT PAGE 256.

This letter, dated the 18th day of October, 1971, signed by E. N. ISONG, the Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria, addressed to Chief F. R. A. Williams, an eminent Nigerian Lawyer, is a reply to Chief F. R. A. Williams enquiry from the Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria why his Client, Chief J. J. Enweozor, described as a Nigeria citizen ordinarily resident in Onitsha, who in response to the CBN’s directive “on the 7th of April, 1970, paid to your bank the sum of £26,659 (Twenty Six Thousand, Six Hundred and Fifty Nine pounds) as per receipt no ESOO5055 dated 7/4/70 in old Nigerian currency notes” is yet to be paid his money in the new currency.

The shameful story is a stressed fact in Nigerian History. Yet it always compels repetition. The fact is that after Chief J. J. Enweozor and his Biafran folks, having been mercilessly massacred in all parts of Nigeria, particularly, the North, a savage and barbaric genocide unleashed on them, ‘shooting of everything that moves’, applied as a doctrine against them, starvation employed to annihilate the unborn and the children, Gowon, the Nigeria head of State, the architect of their woes, was so kind and so zealous in reconciling with, and rehabilitating them that he gratuitously offered them from the milk of his Gowon – Nigerian heart, a gratuitous £20 (Twenty) pounds in exchange of any amount whatsoever they had ever earned within the Nigeria context.

Of course, neither Chief Enweozor nor his coun

sel, Chief FRA Williams of blessed memory was impressed by this Nigerian-brand of benevolence. Consequently they sought remedy from the court, the supposed last hope for the common man.

The fact of this case is mutual between the parties. It behooves emphasis even at the risk of repetition. As told by Mr. Sule Okponubi, the sole witness of the Central Bank of Nigeria:

“The Federal Government requested the people from the East central State to exchange their currencies, both Biafran and Nigerian. We sent out teams to accept the deposits. This was in 1969/70. After all the deposits had been accepted, the Government directed that the Defendant should make an ex gratia payment of £20 each to all of them. As a result of this direction, the Defendant was not able to exchange the deposited amounts, whether Biafran or Nigerian”.

The case was dismissed by Savage J. of the Lagos High Court who, after considering the Decrees and subsidiary legislation governing exchange or conversion of old currency note to new ones, held that “the action was misconceived because the Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria had not exercised certain discretionary powers vested in him under the law”.

Up to the Nigeria Supreme Court went Chief Enweozor in desperate quest for justice. On hearing the case, the Supreme Court was supremely confounded by the obnoxious provisions of Decree No 11 of 1968, a draconian legislation that surpass the worst in the annals of jurisprudence.

Consequently, the Nigeria Supreme Court in sync with its Nigerian gusto found that the law applicable in this case, the Currency Conversion (South-Eastern and other states) Decree No. 11 of 1968, at all times material to this case is not applicable to the East Central States of Nigeria – The Biafran enclave. The Supreme Court placed reliance on section2 of the Decree which provides inter alia that the Decrees:-

“shall apply to all States of the Federation, so however that nothing in this Decree shall extend its application to …….East Central State……..until a direction of the Head of the Federal Military Government given in such a manner as he may think fit, and in the discretion of the Governor of Central Bank of Nigeria published in the Gazette at any time any such discretion is given, or at any time thereafter.

In the characteristic Nigeria swagger, the Supreme Court held that:

“there was no evidence that a discretion had either been given under section 2 or that it had been given and published in the gazette. We must therefore conclude that it has not been established by evidence that Decree No. 11 of 1968 was applicable to the …….East Central State”.

Not yet done in curtailing the effrontery of Chief Enweozor in taking Nigeria to court, the Supreme Court, although it acknowledged that it was not necessary for the determination of the appeal before it, waved a sword of Damocles from the Decree in an obvious threat against any similar effrontery by the ilk of Chief Enweozor. Accordingly, the Supreme Court reminded all of the “mischief” aimed at by the stringent provisions of the Decree. The Supreme Court emphasized that the exchange of the Nigerian old currency for new ones can take place “only where so authorized by law” as provided by section 1B of the Decree which created offences in relation to the exchange of currency. Of much significance is sub-section D which made it an offence for any person.

“by any means to move or cause to be moved from a part of Nigeria where the time or extended time for conversion of former currency under this Decree has elapsed, into any part of Nigeria where former currency has not been converted, or as the case may be, action to convert has not commenced or if commenced, has not been completed under this Decree”.

The exchange of the old Nigeria currency for new one in the East Central State of Nigeria, as the Supreme Court found, was never “authorized by law”.

Accordingly Chief Enweozor and his counsel Chief FRA Williams of the blessed memory came to the rude awakening that in Nigeria, courts are anything but the last hope for the oppressed.

Anyone with common sense would have known that the plaintiff was destined to lose the case.

The FG owed him nothing.

20pounds was big enough to stock a shop with more than 20 cartons of tinned milk in 1970.

Igbos were fortunate that Awolowo was the finance minister. Had the finance minister been from the north they would have gotten NOTHING!

GOOOOOD!

gidgiddy:


Why hasnt the North West got a Sea Port?



People should stop thinking that the SE is where Igbo land and starts and stops.

When the British were drawing the map of the Southern protectorate of Nigeria, they considered all of the Igbo speaking people of what is now Rivers state as Igbos. When the British were building Portharcourt wharf, they thought they were building it in Igbo land. Wether Ikwere are Igbos or not is not what Im going to get into.

However, this so called nonsense called South East should stop. There are Benue Igbos, there are Delta Igbos and there are Rivers Igbos.

Don't let an Ikwereman hear you o!

orisa37:
To be citizens oriented, F.G should build at least ONE AIRPORT of International standard in each of our 36 States.

Not when FG is borrowing to fund current budget.

It's up to the states governments.

clevvermind:
I AM FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. THOUGH I AM NOT AN IGBO PERSON, I JUST FEEL LIKE ASKING THIS QUESTION AS IT IS DISTURBING ME. IS SOUTH EAST NOT PART OF NIGERIA?

Answer

(1) Igboland is land locked

(2) Although there are ports in Delta and Rivers, the sea shore
are shallow and would require humongous sums of money
to dredge. This explains why investors (.concessionaires )
are avoiding them. Concessionaires actually developed the
Lagos ports.

Big ships started avoiding Onne and Port-Harcourt
seaports after the Lagos ports were dredged by investors.

expensiveguyman:
D Genesis of d rivalry is that after their forefathers join hands with d North to discredit d igbos after d civil war.
We still went ahead and become very successful and even hv d privilege to buy almost all their land and turn them into tenants in their own land.
So Afonjas are envious of d igbos bcoz of dis simple reason.

That is not correct. Igbos may have large presence and property ownership in a few areas of Lagos, those few areas does not amount to all of Lagos.

It is even rare to see a Yoruba person who rented a house or apartment from an Igbo person. I have lived in Lagos all my life and am yet to witness one. It is usually the other way round.

igbodefender:
May God bless both our tribes, Yoruba and Igbo. You are right. So much of it is fun, like the name checkers stuff. Lol.

We love our Igbo brothers and sisters from the depths of our hearts.

We only wish them health and prosperity .

The fun we poke at each other on this forum should not be taken too seriously.

I believe our discussions and arguments on this forum is helping us to understand each other better.

blacq2009:
Please Nairalanders, what is the root cause of this Igbo/Yoruba rivalry? These two tribes don't see eye to eye. Why is that so?

We the Yoruba people do not hate Igbo people nor feel the need to compete with them over anything. We have always given them equal rights and previledges in the SW.

The problem is that some (not all) Igbos think that if you disagree with them over some issues like politics, you hate them and therefore you are their enemy. This ought not to be so

Obi1kenobi:


Nigeria's GDP in 1970 was $12.55 billion and GDP per capita was $225 which at the time was over 300 Nigerian pounds. To say £20 then is N600,000 today is bullshiit. Utter horseshiit. A load of twaddle.
And nobody ever said £20 in 1970 is the same as £20 in 2017.

The Nigerian pounds was more valuable than the American dollars in 1970.

$225 was around 100pounds (Nigerian pounds) in 1970.

Your calculation is not correct!

Obi1kenobi:


Nigeria's GDP in 1970 was $12.55 billion and GDP per capita was $225 which at the time was over 300 Nigerian pounds. To say £20 then is N600,000 today is bullshiit. Utter horseshiit. A load of twaddle.
And nobody ever said £20 in 1970 is the same as £20 in 2017.

I said budget not GDP. they are not the same. Federal budget was not up to a billion pounds in 1970.

There were only 5 banks at the time.

1. Backlays bank - British

2. Standard bank - British

3. Wemabod bank -Western Region

4.African Continental bank - Eastern Region

5. Bank of the North - Northern Region.


Only those who had savings with ACB lost their savings, because ACB went under due to mass withdrawals from the bank by the Igbos.

Those with savings in other banks with their passbook got all their monies intact.

Obi1kenobi:


I've examined this thread and it begs the question:
Which myth or lie exactly do you think you have "busted" here?

u


That FG seized Igbos money in bank and paid them only a paltry, useless , meaningless 20 pounds.

Obi1kenobi:


£20 then is not 600k today. It's barely even 1/10th of that today. Where do you guys dig out these lies from?

1pound will get you a carton of tin milk in 1970. It was a lot of money then.

Check the regional and Federal budget in the 60s to 1970, we budget in millions then. The word billion only exist in the imagination.

Individual millionaires were hard to find in 1970. It is funny that some people said their grandies told them that they saved millions in 1970 when a brand new car was sold for less than 500 pounds then.

Stop trying to justify the 20pounds policy lies you have been told.

I grew up at a time we were buying a dozen (12) of tin milk and a dozen of Geisha for N1 naira in the early 80s .At that time N0.75=$1 while N2.00=1pounds sterling.

Stop comparing 20pounds of 1970 with 20pounds of 2017. They are not the same.

diadem10:


I've been reading your post thus far and it's seriously giving me headache.

Who asked you folks to exchange your money for worthless biafra pounds? Nigeria FG wasn't the one that scammed you but Ojukwu. Was it not the same folks of yours that spent millions on Biafran passports from Massbob's uwazuike? How is then Nigeria's fault for your folks' foolishness?

The fact that Nigeria FG decided to replace these worthless biafra pounds with 20 pounds should be meant with appreciation because your real money were never with Nigeria, your folks already exchanged them with Ojukwu for unrecognised worthless biafra pounds! Your people ought to have gone to Ojukwu to demand back your pounds but Nigeria decided to help you to replace these worthless pounds and what do you show in return?

Exactly one of my problem with the Ibos because I happened to have a nature that get easily irritated with ingrates and manipulation.

Excellent.

PHIPEX:
Go back to the articles above and also read Awolowo's interview and you'll understand that there was a double approach.

1. Those with evidence of bank Account got a maximum of 20pound.
2. Those with Biafra pounds also got a maximum of 20pounds.

This is enough to show u that virtually every Igbo man got same amount.

20pounds was given to everyone with bank account with the bankrupted ACB.

when a bank goes under due to no fault of government, you don't expect the government to make full payments to accounts holders.

This is the standard practice till date.

By the way, 20 pounds was a lot of money then (600K) today. It was a huge sacrifice by the FG at the time.

dabeto:
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If you don't know what Duke did, then there's no hope for you. Duke remains one of the few performing governors in Nigerian history

Donald Duke's concern is worth considering. But I disagree with his postulation that Lagos will burst at the seams.

The part of Lagos that is concentrated is
Lagos central. Lagos east and Lagos west are just experiencing developments. People are gradually moving there.

Ogun state is also receiving many former Lagos residents.

PointZerom:


I said it yesterday that I have never in my life seen Buhari give any intellectual lecture. I can't really say what he has achieved in his life as a man, has he ever created job opportunity in Nigeria through his establishments?. I only know him as a runaway student and dictector. PITY.

He gave one at Chatham House in London in 2014. Being a Hausa or Fulani does not amount to being a dullard.

He served in the Nigerian Army up to the post of a Major General. He retired into farming with people in his employ.

Stop spewing trash.

deepeeface:
Lmao!!! Ode ni e.

What does buhari know about economics kwanu,how does cattle rearing relate to economics in governance, somebody that have not written a book nor given intellectual lecture.
It really amaze me how zombies think the man can do magic in making Nigeria prosper economically.

Dullard, Nigeria has the largest number of cattle in Africa. We are also the 5th largest Agricultural economy in the world.

stanluiz:
Tell the fg to put an international airport and seaport in the east and ss and the population of Lagos will reduce. Many people trooping to Lagos to do their business was because of lack of federal present in their region.

We in the SW are not against development of ports in the SE and SS.

The problem we have with people with your kind of brain is that you think other people's blessing is responsible for your curse.

If you believe you must put others down for you to go up, you will never go up yourself.

PointZerom:
"He lambasted the Buhari government for showing more interest in politics than economics. “And if you don’t get the economics right, then governance cannot work. You cannot be competitive when you are not productive. The first thing is how do we get productive?”
Duke also criticised the way states in Nigeria have been set up. “And there is no master-plan to make each one of them an economic entity. So, we have a country, where a blessing (exponential population growth) is turning into a curse, because in the next three years, our population will be 200 million, yet all the productive indices are going down. “Lagos may be crowded out. Every year, 750,000 new people come to Lagos to reside, the economy cannot support that. So if you don’t get the rest of the country working, Lagos itself will collapse".

We need to open up other states.

We need massive construction of roads and railways.

We need to dredge the ports outside of Lagos to make them more functional. The ports as they are cannot bert big ships.

FG and states should build industrial parks in each state with good roads and electric power supply.

Efforts should be increased on the parts of FG and states to ramp up agricultural production.

This will reduce migration to Lagos.

Ogun state is set to be the next Lagos.

MrMystrO:


Source: http://dailypost.ng/2017/11/03/lagos-may-collapse-donald-duke/

Lagos will not collapse. The growing population are already spilling into Ogun State.

deomelo:






Quoting your own words is not lying, it's confronting you with your own lies and deceptions.

You are the liar here..


And I've been asking you to show documented facts that Osun state is owing salaries today and you haven't been able to do that..


Stop lying, stop spewing rubbish that you can not back up with facts just because you have ipobitch I hate Aregbe syndrome..

Osun people are today enjoying the positive impact of the judicious use if the loan they got.. Loan is not a bad thing if used judiciously.

Desyner:
they are too hungry to demonstrate.

How do you know that Osun people are hungry. The report says they are the second state least impacted by poverty.

Paperwhite:
It's will really be a beauty to behold when completed but the raging nearby Atlantic is another problem .Do drive by that area.

There is no problem. Don't believe climate change alarmists.

iamJ:
wait till the sea comes back to collect its lands

No sea is coming back to collect any land.

The land was reclaimed from the part of Bar-beach the sea waves have been eroding since a hundred years ago. Parts of the area reclaimed used to be there when we visited at the Bar-beach as children.

Just a few decades ago, you had to do some trecking at the beach before you see water.

bluke:


in addition to your write up,
the twenty naira policy was a committee recommendation, it was not awolowo's decision.
He was just the finance minister that acted on the report.
so the action was not his fault

There was no fault in the 20 pounds policy at all. It was a gift to help the Igbos.

They are not entitled to it!

safarigirl:
you should know that statistics are never a true reflection of the state of things

For instance, Statistics show that South Africa has the Highest HIV prevalence in Africa, however, there is a higher number of HIV positive people in Nigeria than in SA, what does that tell you about all these statistics and tricky percentages?

I have gone through Anambra and I have gone through Osun. Based on facts on ground and not facts on a piece of paper after random selection, Anambra is doing much better than Osun as far as living standards.

Statistics are a farce

Olodo!

Statistics don't lie.

Statistics always say South Africa has the highest percentage of its population which is true. But we've always known that Nigeria has the highest number right from time but a lesser percentage to its population.