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johnydon22:
As in eeehn but the problem is not even that. The problem is that his replies are always off from the point your post is making

He also displays a high level of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrolllogic

zicoraads:
Check the date I registered on the forum and compare it with yours. I've seen almost everything. The creator of this thread is not new to me. He is a male masquerading as a female.

Don't send DMs to everyone you see what an 'F'. You may just be messaging a fellow guy.

I've never dm'ed anybody here.

MuttleyLaff:
When read in isolation, unsurprisingly, you would call it a stupid law.

Are you sure. Are you sure about that

It is misogny what?

Werent you earlier advised to be objective, factual, unprejudiced and most of all, be well-informed, as you next comment or post remarks
Are you saying you dont know or dont understand the context of how that law came about?

Why don't you give your own interpretation so I can learn more and correct my mistakes

MuttleyLaff:
When read in isolation, unsurprisingly, you would call it a stupid law.


Are you sure. Are you sure about that

It is misogny what?

Werent you earlier advised to be objective, factual, unprejudiced and most of all, be well-informed, as you next comment or post remarks
Are you saying you dont know or dont understand the context of how that law came about?

There are many arguments over the use of the word “rape” and what is meant by “hold”, “seize” or “force”. Honestly, I have to wonder how much of this is revisionist viewings of the Bible in light of the modern day viewings of things.

Let’s look at 22:25–27, for example, where it’s clear what we’re discussing:

English: “But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.”

Very clearly a rape, right? (we won’t get into the fact that if a woman is raped in a city, she’s guilty of a crime…that’s pretty sick, really)

Now, let’s look at a straight, character-by-character translation: Deuteronomy 22:25 Hebrew Text Analysis

I see the word “force” and “lie”, so yes, let’s keep running with it…we’re discussing rape.

now, 22:28–29:

English: “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.”

So, what is meant by that, “seizes”. Some people seem to feel that means, basically, a seduction. So, once again, let’s look at the Hebrew: Deuteronomy 22:28 Hebrew Text Analysis

Hmmm…”lay hold”…in my eyes, this doesn’t sound like some poetic phrase…this sounds, again, like a captive of some sort. Sadly, we never see this particular verbiage used again in the Bible, so we have nothing to compare it with. So, it really seems to be in “the eye of the beholder.”

But, let’s look at something else that may make things a little clearer:

22:13–21: discusses penalties for lying about virginal status of a bride

22:22: penalty for adultery

22:23–24: penalty for raping an engaged woman in the city (assumed to be a virgin due to tradition)

22:25–27: penalty for raping an engaged woman in the country

22:28–29: penalty for having sex with a non-engaged virgin

This is…interesting…either we have to say that 22:28–29 is talking about the penalty for rape (as the pattern has been set by 23–27)…or the Bible has set forth no penalty whatsoever for raping a woman who isn’t engaged.

I’m not sure which is worse, but I’m inclined to say, due to the established pattern, 22:28–29 is discussing the penalty for rape. I feel very confident in making that determination.

Answer copied from garett murphy on quora.
Link: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-Deuteronomy-22-28-29

[quote author= post=69033318]My sincere opinion....


Talk about it with your wife and don't pass blame around. While it is important to share your worries, do so within the context of the relationship rather than asserting how "you" are causing "me" to worry. That is where worry turns to blame.

If your partner is able to pinpoint a problem (such as stress at work or feeling tired all the time), work together to find a solution. You can also seek medical help if needed. Therapy is another good option also.

It is important to remember that solving any relationship problem—whether it be sexual, financial, or emotional—is a process and not an event. Take your time, be patient.
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zicoraads:
Lalasticlala, why do you lot like promoting the lies that this guy, who us claiming to be female, is always spreading.

How do you know he is female?

MuttleyLaff:
Please, if you havent yet been,
I'll like you to be objective, factual, unprejudiced and most of all, be well-informed, as you next comment or post remarks

When laws supersede each other,
why would you think Jesus has to and/or needed to abolish the law or any law for that matter Ruth'. Hmm?

You brought up Deutoronomy 22:28-29 first, didnt you?
You must know a thing or two about Deutoronomy 22:28-29
and that's really why, I requested you explain how Deutoronomy 22:28-29 was applicable back then
and let's both see whether or not it's something that today stands the test of time
(i.e. explain how, when, where it was applicable then and let's both see how it is applicable now)

Facepalm.
Are you sure you know much of this Deutoronomy 22:28-29 you're talking on about here?

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 says that if a man sees any virgin and rapes her and he is caught. He is to marry that woman, pay her father 50 shekels of silver and can never divorce her. This is a stupid law. The woman has no say in the matter at all. It is misogyny.

What do you understand by the law?

MuttleyLaff:
Why not explain how Deutoronomy 22:28-29 was applicable back then
and let's both see whether or not it's something that today stands the test of time

According to you christians God is an unchangeable God. Even the jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law itself. So if it was applicable then it is applicable now.

Even if you say that was a different time with less morality we are talking about Yahweh here. This was a god who parted the red sea, covered an entire country in three days darkness, caused a worldwide flood. If god despised rape, he would put up a law punishing rapists and not telling victims to marry their rapists.

bedspread:
you are Decieving yourself!
Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My Word shall never pass away....

So that means deutoronomy 22:28-29 is still applicable today right?

The thing that vexxes me is how the woman knows this. How people can trust pastor like this just amazes me

MuttleyLaff:
Yep, you're right
and when they do make their choice,
they can be and usually are committed, honest, faithful in the relationship that's meaningful and lasting a life time

But that bedspread guy doesn't know his own bible I'm sure of it.

bigismalls:
How do we get this to front page in order to shed more light, re educate people, create awareness, preach tolerance so as to reduce level of religious intolerance and chaos in the world at large. I know we have a long way to go, but the journey of a thousand miles begins with a step!

Contact the mods lalasticlala seun mynd44

MuttleyLaff:
1/ What act exactly are you on about?
2/ What exactly is wickedness of in the act?
3a/ To who exactly is the act abominable to?
3b/ Why is the act abominable to your answer to "who" in #3a above?
4/ What exactly and/or what's the form of this alleged sin, that guarantees a free pass to "Hell fire"

Exhaustive bible verses to support your answers are most welcome

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The B in LGBT, I personally think, is about trying to have your cake and eat it too
If you want to be Osakala, be Osakala,
if you want to be Osokolo, be Osokolo,
but dont be mixing Osakala & Osokolo together
One can't have it both ways, that is just pure "ojukokuro, afẹjumọ" greed

Bisexuals even have twice as many options.

[quote author=Fukafuka post=69054071][/quote]Oga it is glass, not class

Temidayo9:
What is LGBT?

Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transexual

Video or Adonbelivit.

Lying for Jesus

bedspread:
your opinion is very Relevant bro, but if indulging in such, you better Amend your ways.. Such acts will only Hinder and Damage your Destiny... Get JESUS sir

The bible supports slavery and rape oga

When buhari is defeated 2019 these fulani people will be discriminated like mad

Only an idiot will take this seriously

GoTV:
I'm a junior pastor at MFM. I'm just a truthful Christian

Bloody liar. I can show your post on another thread where you supported islam
https://www.nairaland.com/4587799/abba-kyari-denies-arresting-suspects/2#68923648
https://www.nairaland.com/4587799/abba-kyari-denies-arresting-suspects/1#68908814
https://www.nairaland.com/4587334/kemi-olunloyo-converts-islam-fans#68896900

Ijogbande:
The money no even reach 30k sef. Na 20k. Stand for something or you fall for anything.

Okay.

My committment and stance is with the VP.

You mean the minister of condolences and praying for things to get better even though we elected him to act.

If you are not okay with that, eat some shit.

I don't consume bullshit like you who supports this fraud.

We all have role models and motivators and we do anything to defend them no matter what.

Even when they are incompetent and clearly evil. Your own is what we call fanatic.

What do u stand for?

Reality.

Who can u defend to the end of d world??

No one who is guilty or incompetent.

WHO IS A FOOL NOW?

You have been the only fool here.

arrestdarrester:
No particular denomination. The true Church are sprinkles of God-fearing, born-again and holy children of God in all these denominations

Everybody else is going to hell abi?

Deandean:
I joined Jehovah's Witness, They re not perfect as i can point out flaws too,but they re honestly concerned with pleasing God...and money is not involved....deeper life is trying too,but money is involved, pastor idolizing z involved too

True. I like jehovah witness but they use intelligent design argument which is just fancy word for creationism.

Pat081:
hmmmmm bros dey re same thing and do u think he has wot it takes to b dat too

Yes they do. Pdp & Apc aren't the only options.

Edu3Again:
The closeset na some Protestant, the rest na something else.
Also define African churches, if u mean Aladura then 4get am.

So aĺl the rest are hell bound.

Mylove55:
that will be a wasted vote.

It is not like your wasted life defending bubu

Omojolaray:
see forget these people and be the best you can be to your society....... You can start by not throwing that pure water nylon on the floor..... From there you step up

Oga we need strong laws and efficient sanitary agencies to prevent littering. Besides most people litter because our streets are dirty and they think adding one nylon won't make much of a difference.
Vote moghalu

Omojolaray:
abegi... Weytin pvc do for you all these years

2019 vote eother Moghalu or Sowore or Durotoye.

TheLordIsGr8:
God is not the author of confusion. So only one can be true.

So that means the rest are false and they are going yo hell?

Govt of propaganda and lies.

IGP that disrespected president and senate president before transmission.is that one an IGP

Abeg which denomination of church is the true heaven inspired one.
Catholicism
Jehovah Witness
Protestant
Seventh day adventist
African churches.

Please let me know