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Primesky:
How does that glorify God?. Is that a miracle or a magic?. How does that save a soul?. People must not allow themselves to be fooled by tricks and magic of the devil.

ODeva:
And some people will call this miracle instead of witchcraft ,end time pastor

Can`t you guys see it is fake?

Please use critical reasoning abeg

Two great nigerian businessmen

felixomor:
Rubbish

Your life you mean

milemimi93:
[s]being an orphan or widow isn't an excuse to go into prostitution.

I have seen a cripple on a wheel chair working (repairing phones)

I have seen a deaf and dumb working (making shoes)

I have seen widows working at building sites helping in carring cements.


women are wh.o.res by nature.

There's a thread on fp about OBJ daughters being wh.o.res.

These wh.or.ing is their nature. U can't take it away from them..[/s]

Your life is sad. You might just be one of these small boys who live near one very fine runz girl who sleeps with everyone but you. I am sure if you meet a woman in real life, you will treat her like she is jesus while hoping for sex, and when she no give u time at all, you come on nairaland to rant about women.

Better go and work for one ashawo house, you can help them to throway condom or buy drinks and drugs for the customer. They will pay you so you can patron the same whores you hate okay.

[quote author=Holyede post=69205873][/quote]Atheist. But didn't you at least read it so you can learn

I hope this isn't empty talk oo. But we know bubu won't listen. That man is the leader of the Fulani's and their cows and come 2019 is back to daura

felixomor:
Dumbo jumbo

Your clown in chief butterflyliar has told you to stop engaging atheist.

luvmijeje:
But the problem still exist?

Well yes. Atheism doesn't end the problem. In fact Atheism doesn't give you a doctrine to follow so you can get a reward.

Butterflyleo:
Do you see how so right I was with my warning? Ignorance be zipping around like a ping pong ball on rampage with insults in tow.

You and everyone else deserve better. Sometimes when we cannot get better given to us, we take it by force.

Ignorance they say is bliss. Sometimes you need to allow this bliss to stew for longer.

Have a good night bro.

Blah blah blah. Number 1 clown of religion section.

MuttleyLaff:
You heard right, the first time, that I dont do arguments

You know what's a sad and sorry sight to behold, the arrogance of a seemingly intellectual, delighting in his own ignorance

Not recognising that I dont do arguments

Yep, you're 110% correct because I know I am no match for your ignorances

You're tightly so fitted with blinders
that you dont know the difference between you sharing your ignorance with me
and me sharing knowledge with you

Why arent I surprised you are not ashamed of being a barefaced liar
You lie so well and better than a Persian rug

Who ran away?
You who doesnt know that Context is King, and so then keeps on taking things out of context
Why didn't you respond to my last post on the thread to you
(i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/4596704/cnn-breaking-news-christians-apologize/1#69093605)

You knew you've had enough merciless pummelling from me,
so you quietly and stylish bowed out, avoiding me, but replying to others
since then you being licking your bruised ego with your tail hanging between the legs

You dont deserve to be outrightly shown the fine print though.
Do the digging up and heavy lifting for the small print yourself
Sorry I have to be this way and ruthless.
You see until you prove yourself to be worthy of it. No freebie for you RuthlessLeader, except I waive it.

Oga you don't know the fine print. You can stil keep the grammer tho. Everybody now knows your style. Say there is something else, when asked where, you speak jargons because you don't know it.

MuttleyLaff:
I will wipe you up with the dirty floor

I thought you don't do arguments. That they were exchanges of ignorance. Hypocrite.

That where and how you are wrong

How

I dont do win, I am not interested in arguments

Because you know you will lose.

Arguments has to do with exchanges of ignorance, unfortunately I havent got any ignorances to exchange for the one you're so itching to display

Yet the above shows you contradicting yourself.

You do accept and agree that God never promised human beings a problem free existence?

Those bible verses say a different story. But I expect this from you. This was how you were justifying the bible supporting rape, I proved you wrong you started speaking grammar. Feel free to run away when you are disgraced again.

You know those inconspicuous details or conditions printed in an agreement or contract, especially ones that may prove unfavourable?
That section is called the small print and it is about how to deal with those bolded bible verses that befuddles you

More rubbish. This was how you were justifying rape in the other thread. When I proved you wrong you first did mental gymnastics before running away. Feel free to show me that fine print tho.

https://www.nairaland.com/4596704/cnn-breaking-news-christians-apologize#69057148

ProfDumbledor:
Foolish Militias. Fulani herdsmen kill your people and all u can do in retaliation is to kill their cows. How is 30 cows = 200 human lives? These people are so stupid.

Read again. They also killed 60 fulani's

MuttleyLaff:
Dont mind him ojaare

If he had read the small print,
he would have seen that God never promised him or anyone else for that matter, a problem free existence

Man was made and expected to succeed in successfully dealing with problem(s) and/or positively overcome difficulty(ies)
Good evening

You have come back for more abi?

I will use your own bible to prove you wrong now. The best way to challenge a christian is using their own holybook against them

@bolded see how bible verses prove you wrong, showing you don't know your own bible or you do but you want to lie to win argument or you think it is false

RuthlessLeader:
Why do christians like contradicting their own buy-bull na?

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

Matthew 7:7 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Matthew 7:7-11

James 4:3 - Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it] upon your lusts.

John 14:13-14 - And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Philippians 4:6- Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

John 15:7 - If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Matthew 21:22 - And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Luke 18:1- And he spake a parable unto them [to this end], that men ought always to pray, and not to faint

Luke 11:13 - If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

1 Kings 3:5 - In Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.

John 16:24 - Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Psalms 37:4 - Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

2 Corinthians 5:7 - (For we walk by faith, not by sight

Matthew 7:7- Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you
Are you now going to come up with excuses for these ones now?

Anas09:
I will allow go with your opinion. Enjoy.

So you admit you are wrong?


Anyway na small thing sha

PUSSYHOE:
sooner or later, direct or indirectly a woman would ask for money for her service, mostly through complaints. To avoid tagging her ashewo she won't ask directly but give you signal and guys to keep the pussy coming would pay indirect Inform of fare,rent,card, gifts etx

Be here calling all women olosho oo. They at least have a source of steady income while you are giving them their money while spending the rest on beer and bet9ja

MissJoy29:
@PUSSYHOE, this thread only goes to show the type of ladies you attract. Besides, your moniker says it all.

No offence but how are you constantly & ignorantly arguing that all women are the same?
How? How?

Going by his logic, his mother is an olosho and his daughter is going to be an olosho too.

Sirjamo:
Pastor Omockry doing the only job he has!

What did reno tweeted?
What did samson ate?

arabbunkum:
Shut the Bleep up! Empty brain!!

You cannot understand his post that is why you insult him like the retard you are

drlateef:
Who shall we vote for? Criminals and thieves worse than him?

Moghalu or durotoye. It is not only Apc and Pdp oo

paxonel:
even if he choosed to do all that humans will still have complains.

How do you know this? And what will the complaints be?

You can't satisfly humans.

Yes you can, especially when you are the almighty God. Read up on Economics bro.

So let them teach themselves by experience,

Experience that will cause most of them to go to hell fire simply beacause they were born into another religion in another land before they knew about jesus and his message? Cool bro. And you can't say God will judge them through conscience because john3:16 says you can only have eternal life by believing in jesus. And jesus said in john14:6 that no one comes to the father except through him.

God was not in a hurry, he is ready to wait till forever, until humans get it right themselves.
Till today we are still in the learning process, white men have gone far ahead, Africans should learn from them this is not racism but common sense.

If God wasn't in a hurry why did he send Jesus? And why is there a rapture? because jesus said he would come back.

he didn't create the tree or is there any scripture that said so?

If he didn't create the tree, why didn't he remove it since he knew a rebellious angel put it there? And you mean that an omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent God allowed a rebellious angel to put a tree in his garden for the sole purpose of corrupting God's creation? Wow.

He didn't create it, a rebellious Angel did.

Is there any scripture that says this?

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

That verse was talking of king nebuchadnezzar.

[/uote]Matthew 13:25 made us to understand that But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Matthew 13:28 also said, He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.....[/quote]So the Omnipotent and Omniscient God was not aware when satan did this how?

If you understand this parable to the end you will see that it is not God who is the owner of the field(this earth) that created the tree.

How you came to this conclusion surprises me oo. Why didn't God remove the tree when he found out? Why did he feel that telling Adam and Eve not to eat of it was the wise thing to do? And why did he make eve curious to do it?

Everything was good when he created them from the beginning. (Genesis 1:10)

False. What about satan and his angels? They were obviously faulty because them rebelling was not part of god's plan. Besides fear would have prevented Satan from rebelling because he must have realized god is mightier than all heaven.

that is not true!
As a matter of fact he warned them of the consequence.(genesis 2:17)

If he didn't create i.e it wasn't part of his plan, why didn't he destroy it? Why did the wise Almighty God only warn them? He could have removed their curiousity just like he removed adam's rib without his permission.

whether he forgive or not the damage has already been done and forgiveness or unforgiveness is of no use.

Even for an allwise, allpowerful, and all loving God who sent his only begotten son to die for us?
Besides Matthew 19:26 Mark 10:27 Luke 1:37 Jeremiah 32:17 Job 42:2 Jeremiah 32:27 all say there is nothing impossible for God to do, so either you don't know these verses or you know but chose to say something else, which means you lied or you don't believe them.

Infact, he had contempled to destroy everything he created as suggested by his angels but he turned the idea down which was the reason christ came (Matthew 13:28-29)

But nothing is impossible for God, so why didn't he just forgive them like that? Why did christ go through such a painful death when he could have simply blinked?

in that circumstance a wise God will lay down his life to reclaim what he would have lost if the need arises.

There is nothing impossible for god so him killing himself was not necessary to save us. He could have snapped his fingers or something else.

he cannot possibly decide to give his wealth to charity when you are badly in need of them except you are not a worthy grandchild.

True. But have you considered whether I have made my own wealth abd as such don't need his?

but they are entitled to the reward of the children of chiefs and heros?

No they aren't.

that's how you are seeing it.
If what is inherited is not punishment then it's a good idea. I wish in reality that's the case but it's not.

True.

I had a friend who never graduated from school due to financial issues, not because his father wasn't wealthy. But because all his father's wealth was shared among the siblings from several other women apart from his mummy, who came to claim that his late Daddy impregnated them . The little he could get from the inheritance wasn't enough to see him through school.

He could have learnt one trade or the other in the meantime. School isn't the be all and end all.

Now, is that God's fault or his father's fault?

It is the father's fault. But what god does in the bible is like sentencing one to death because their grandfather stole, not being unable to complete school because my dad was promiscuous.

if you say so, you are correct.

Okay.

he only intervenes on issues which are beyond human ability to solve. Example is when humans needed internal life he intervenes by sending Jesus.
Outside that, any other problems that has to do with illment, poverty, taking care of this whole earth, etc. They are all for humans to solve.

False. God intervened in jabez life to improve his situation. Or how about when God intervened for the israelites when they were being enslaved by the egyptians. As history shows us, slave revolts were very common and liberating a people was not outside human ability.

What about the book of judges where he picked leaders to save israel? That wasn't beyond human ability. I can give you more examples.

Segeshow:
It is so unfortunate, the comments I'm reading on this thread explains why we are where we are today. A man doing his job(law enforcement) apprehends a criminal and the criminal dies, then everyone begins to vilify the poor customs man doing his job. People calling for lynching and tires. Someone's parent. I am truly and really sad I have to encounter these barbaric, spiteful, violent, horrible bastards who walk up and down everyday and go to church and mosque,yet have no qualms to take a life. May God judge each an every one as they deserve. Amen.

Have you heard of sars, army, common lastma sef?
When they stop you on theroad and are ready to shoot you if you don't bribe them
When they arrest you for no good reason because to them, everybody be criminal
When they just want to flex like big boys

Law enforcement military and politicians are the most hated set of people in nigeria because they have power and most of them abuse it.

luvmijeje:
Now that he has stopped believing in God, has his problems decreased?

Perhaps not. But know he knows his problems are not because of a devil that cannot be seen or felt, or his prayers are not answered because of one excuse or the other.

Good afternoon

Anas09:
Hmmm. This man went to God with a 'To do list'.

God has to do as he pleased or He doesn't exist. But the last time i checked, We are servants following his directives, not Him following ours.

Why do christians like contradicting their own buy-bull na?

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

Matthew 7:7 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Matthew 7:7-11

James 4:3 - Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it] upon your lusts.

John 14:13-14 - And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Philippians 4:6- Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

John 15:7 - If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Matthew 21:22 - And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Luke 18:1- And he spake a parable unto them [to this end], that men ought always to pray, and not to faint

Luke 11:13 - If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

1 Kings 3:5 - In Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.

John 16:24 - Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Psalms 37:4 - Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

2 Corinthians 5:7 - (For we walk by faith, not by sight

Matthew 7:7- Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you
Are you now going to come up with excuses for these ones now?

God is no democrat.

Oh really?

You either serve Him as He has stipulated or get out. To get you give.

Okay. That means that you will have to follow these old testament laws as well or you get out:

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

If a priest's daughter is a LovePeddler, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)
If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)
Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

ScienceWatch:
Says the guy who's girlfriend dont respect him.
Now you come to faceless atheists for respect.
Your topic on your weakness to satisfy your own girlfriend says it all.

Dont mention me again fuckface.

The biggest hypocrites on nairaland are antisciencewatch and butterflyleo. How can a normal human being go around commenting and opening posts telling people not to engage atheists and then when an atheist makes an unrelated comment, you start quoting him, thereby disregarding your own advice?

This sciencewatch sef. From the way he types, you would think his crazyness has prevented him from knowing swearword, only for him to prove you wrong in a hilarious way @bolded.

I honestly won't be surprised if they patronise olosho and do bet9ja yet come here on an anonymous forum forming holier than thou.

Everybody knows you as clowns, illiterates and liars. Anyway Good bye

paxonel:
not all terminal diseases are genetic in nature, infact most of them are acquired.

Okay. I was wrong.

Even the genetic problems mostly arises from inbreeds of closely related individuals such as brothers and sisters or cousins mating and producing these inbreeds.

Inbreeding raises the chence of being born with a genetic defect, it doesn't ensure you are born with one.

Remember, in the history of mankind even in the bible these were always the case which have produced a significant population of people or children currently suffering from genetic terminal diseases till this day.

Adam and Eve and their children inbred according to bible, besides all of humanity is descended from inbreeding.

The problem is not from God it's from the ignorance of human ancestors, and the only solution remains education and outbreeding of the affected population, not prayers.

Why couldn't God just give them the intellect they needed? Why didn't he directly teach them, or at least send an angel?

Imagine brothers and sisters mating, that is rubbish this modern day now.

It is always rubbish. Even in bible times for abraham and sarah.

Isaiah must have made the statement to ascertain the magnificence of God, not necessarily that God created evil from the beginning.

Apologetics. You don't know that. If he did the bible would have said so.

Infact this was the origin of evil according to Genesis 3:6

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

It is still the same thing. Why would God create that tree in the first place? Why did he make us curious? Why would an omniscient and omnipotent father allow the enemy anywhere near his creation?

So this was the origin or genesis of evil.
Disobedience!

Yeah. God still created it by putting that tree there and not explicitly showing adam and eve the consequences. He wad also the serpent's accomplice because he knw satan's intention.

no, it's not like that! It's a system created by the evil of our ancestors from the beginning whether we like it or not we all must follow until there is a deliberate effort by the progeny to put a stop to the evil which is outbreeding the closely related population and that will take the education our forefathers didn't get, not prayer.

Why didn't god just forgive the ancestors? Why did he have to come and die in the first place? He created the entire universe, surely he can remove sin from us.

The same thing applies, when your grand father lay down resources or assets for you to inherit and enjoy, at that point you will not ask the question why must you enjoy what you didn't suffer to acquire, will you?

It doesn't apply at all. My grandfather's wealth is his and he can decide who he wants to give. Me or charity. Even when a man is rewarded with a title of chief or hero, his children are not called chiefs or heroes as well. Inherited Punishment and reward is a stupid idea.

not all!
Cancer, heart diseases and trauma are acquired.

Some cancers are inheritable like breast cancer, leukamia etc. Heart diseases are also inheritable. Trauma is not a terminal illness.

but the warring parties and the government had control of them and would have done something to prevent them?

I don't understand this. Is it a question or answer. Yes nowadays we have geneva convention and human rights, but for most of human history there was no such thing.

Why then are you bringing God into them?

Because the god of the bible is an interventionist god and christians see him as such.

relax!
We have the option of thinking out solutions to problems and not putting blame on God which will never bring solutions.

Okay.

I don't think white men people who are solving their problems needed The holy spirit to do so.

Please don't be racist.

Many of them don't even believe in God, they are atheists yet they are contributing immensely.

True.

Look at their health system, education and power supply, can you compare the rubbish we are doing here in Africa to what is obtainable in their country?

They had centuries to develop compared to us. Besides, bad governance, colonialism and religion is still hindering us.

I know the rubbish is better than nothing

Okay.

they are not really dead sentence like you put it, some cases are not that acute and they can be managed

Terminal illness means you are dying. Google is your friend.

then why will a parent think of bringing a child to this world when he doesn't have money

We Africans, we have the culture of marrying plenty wives and give birth to plenty children, yet no money to cater for them.
Is that not foolishness?

I had this same debate with a guy here. After questioning, he eventualy started saying only the rich should have multiple children.

paxonel:
is it then wise to ignore the causes of the kids starving and the terminal illness and request for their solutions where these problems were never originated?

Yes. It is the wise thing to do. These children disn't ask to be born into those situations. And terminal illnesses are genetic in nature, just as being black or white is genetics as well.

Now, you judge for yourself.

Okay

God is never the origin of these problems,

How do you know this? The bible even says that God creates good and evil Isaiah 45:7. So he is the origin.

infact he created everything to be good until man(Adam) misbehaves according to the scriptures.

Why must we suffer for the sins of a grandfather that we don't know anything about? This is just like me deciding to punish buhari's great grandchildren because he was a bad president.

Similarly, terminal diseases and starvation are human negligence to do what they were supposed to do

Already wrong. Terminal illnesses are genetic and starvation can be caused by famine, war and poverty which the children have no control over. Why does God like punishing the descendants because of their forefather's crime?

and you know what?

What?

God has already empowered humans to administer to these problems without his interference.

Through the holy spirit abi?

If a child is suffering from terminal disease the parent should sick medical remedy and not mere wishes called prayer.

Terminal illness is a death sentence for whoever has it. If you have a terminal illness, you are dying and there is no cure. That is why a lot of parents resort to praying and mercy killing.

If a child is hungry then food should be provided for him or her

With what money? From where?

Ire2:
You sir are a dead brained fellow.

That's all you can come up with abi?

Well you are a useless misogynistic retard who thinks that any successful woman is a LovePeddler. Probably because all the oloshos in your area have suceeded in life while you and your mates are forming swag with your secondhand wristwatch stolen from aba. Any money you make is used to buy beer, bet on match, or patronise the same olosho; and you blame village people for your miserable life

Ire2:
I don't blame her. Na people when they patronise her whorr business I blame if not she for not fit talk. Mumu when nor ever use her hand work.

At least she is making cash from fucking. While you pay to be bleeped. Shiorr

Oh yeah

Butterflyleo will shake him