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Failure is relative. They failed Kenyan exams. Kenya beat South Africans in regional testing.

African Consortium for Monitoring Educational Quality (SACMEQ), Kenya's average score was 557 points – well above South Africa's average of 495 points, and only marginally below the Western Cape (the top performing province) score of 560 points; at the poorer 25th percentile, Kenya (with a score of 509 points)

https://workingwiththegrain.com/2018/02/28/better-education-kenyas-history-lesson-for-south-africa/#:~:text=African%20Consortium%20for%20Monitoring%20Educational,a%20score%20of%20509%20points)

Kenya leads Sub-Sahara Africa in HCI - but just at 52% - so still long way compared to say South Asian or Scandavian.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/resource/image/2254282/landscape_ratio16x9/1160/652/bf0a2c190141ca3d10261cff81eacef6/Xl/ng.jpg

Vlain:
Nonsense. U want the high quality education that created this. It was on a very similar basis U used in judging and demonizing SA's educational sector. Ur hypocrisy stinks. I swear.

When I talk about Africa - I mean sub-sahara - for all intent and purpose the supra sahara are in middle east.

Vlain:
Oh wait, so U know that. But in the next 5 years when U fix road and water U will become the untouchable African city

How do you manage to stay online from that mental hospital?

Just40:
yet no Kenyan community is as good as that place


Weep not, your country will get there one day.


Celebrating low standard of living in Kenya is not the way.

I mean look at Takoradi vidoes he has been posting for days.

Can you compare say Nakuru with any of west african crap

Rather than long arguments - these ignorant west africans should take 15 minutes and watch video of say Nakuru...Nairobi is too much for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZoGkicutQ

mtisTheQubit:
Reminds of guys whose destiny is to be employed..give him any amount an he cant manage..his ideal life is to be working for someone...If they got all that minerals and have never developed then what..are they expecting of a miracle..is it a mentality thing..

You rather not show such videos; Total underwhelming. If that is the best you got; it's shocking

Just40:
with all your gold and oil kenya still cant provide a better quality of living for it citizens.

Kenya is a backyard for destitute

It keeps creating slum and destitute on the daily basis.


Development is not noise oo, it is transformational.

Kenya will not get to this level anytime soon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9N6UGU-iMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmgmfDwPenM

I do. I also know why they are in such dire straits - the IMF colony.[b] You just need to see how they reason [/b]to know despite being Africa top gold producers, now exporting oil, aluminium, bauxite and name it; they look worse than Nigeria.

mtisTheQubit:
Boss you do realize the dude ya quoting just wan to play mud games with him...Uganda is a better country to compare with

Kampala

And they don't even realize they are going down.

mtisTheQubit:
South Africa is the old man of Africa...Always talking of ol good days...

Talk is cheap. With all your golds,oil and name it; you still look like any west african backwater.

Accra will not get here in your lifetime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRdqC4lhRM

Just40:
Kenya might catch up to Ghana in 2200

The future kenya is looking for is already in Ghana.

Nairobi will look as good and developed as Accra in that year.

When Nairobi gets there, there wont be yellow gallons roaming your streets in wheelbarrow.

The last time I saw wheelbarrow with water for sale, I was in Liberia.

Your economy would not have stagnated for a decade if it was that rosy.
10yrs ago - South Africa gdp was - 416B dollars
10yrs later --- the story look like this

GDP in billion U.S. dollars
2022* 346.56
2021* 317.19
2020* 282.59
2019 351.35

Austine1213:
FDI is has been $6.5 billion
Budget $130 billion
Stock market $1 trillion
Total wealth of citizens $600billion



Do you know how much investment is made by companies in SA? Lol

Or did you forget SA are most capitalized,?

S

Morroco does a better job than Egypt. Egypt is trying to catch up. Somehow you think you KNOW ANYTHING? That you can teach us. You went to horrible South africa education system - never forget that. Kenyans maybe be poorer than south africa - but they are more wordly if not intelligent - because of our high quality of education.

Austine1213:
It's like you were not aware that egypt tourist has always been Europeans lol

It's literally two or one hours from Europe, even Morocco is minutes away from europe

Lol

When did I talk about new city in Cairo. I am actually impressed by hotels they building in mediterrian sea - ultimately this will earn them lot of money from European tourists.

You engage in what is called strawman arguments. Enact a straw man, attribute it to someone else and then go ahead to demolish it - and act like you're anything but obtuse.

Austine1213:
The way you amazed at Egypts new city it seems like you just found about it in 2020

While construction has been going since 2015 you too slow

Your automobile industry is good - but generally - you're not doing enough. Your fdi per annum are 2.5-4B dollars. Very small for a country of 60m that is about size of Nigeria.

Austine1213:
If things were not looking better

-Ford wouldn't invest $1 billion 2021, n closing all Brazil plants
-Google wouldn't have invested 3billion in SA in 2020
-Amazon wouldn't have invested a further $400m in SA in 2020
-BMW wouldn't have invested further $500m in SA
-VW expansion
-Toyota expansion
-Mercedes expanding in
- Isuzu expanding in SA
-Mahindra expanding in SA
Etc

Companies invest where they see future, follow the money trail you'll see what's the country prospects

If you don't see that you just like Zimbabweans who still believe they are the most literate in africa in 2020

Show us something being constructed - not wet dreams. leave those for Nigerians.

Austine1213:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG05ykXtSUs

I'm still on Durban

Start with gold. From being top gold producers for nearly 100yrs - now you're no 8-10. Joburg was built from gold. That gold right now is 10km deep and it doesn't make any economic sense to mine it.

South Africa is familiar tragedy. If you know anything about Latin America then you'll understand that Spain and Portugal developed (without industralizing) by minning Latin America dry. The same with South Africa - the whites - dutch/british/jew - mined your country dry and left you poor.

Austine1213:
Which minerals are depleted? Lol

of course they are doing catch up - in a pretty impressive scale.

Austine1213:
Egypt is playing catchup, after all they should be consuming more as their population is 100m

As expected you can't expect Botswana of 3m people to consume than 50 million population. The demand is not the same

South Africa for most of 20th century was the Saudi Arabia of minerals - and that is what British/Boers used to build one of world most impressive infrastructure.

Kenya has been unlucky with minerals and we have had to bootstrap resources.

Unfortunately RSA has depleted it's minerals without becoming developed nation.

Last decade alone - economy has tanked - and next decades doesn't look any better.

Austine1213:
Dude South Africa got industries minerals are 9% of SA GDP

Which minerals are depleted? Lol

Southern africa is not doing any better

Austine1213:
East Africa consumption is at 13m tons

And Ethiopia least east africa consumption lol

We were talking construction. Yes there is no doubt that South Africa is one of most developed country in Sub-Sahara Africa. That is mostly thanks to minerals - that are now depleted.

Austine1213:
South Africa — Botswana — Cape Verde — Cameroon — Tunisia — Algeria — Egypt — Electricity and piped water are universally available in Egypt, 86% of people have sewerage -- well above the average of 30%. Mauritius — Mauritius tops four out of five of the charts in this report

Egypt a playing catchup.


Do you want me to list countries Kenya is behind?

Nairobi - accra - cannot get there but just dreaming and faking data

RSA is not at par with Egypt when it come to construction. Egypt is mega construction site - cement consumption at nearly 60M metric tonnes. That is more than 4 times South Africa (at 14-15m). South Africa is almost at kenya level - if you factor that South Africa is twice bigger than Kenya - and has 10m more people.

Austine1213:
You not par with Egypt or SA, know your place

Durban I'd developing $7b billion smart city


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPnrHi8Lq0

Nairobi expressway (700m dollars) to be completed this year. 25% done in 3 months. More than 8 sites - entire section is constructed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11PRk0yZfrY

Ghana future - 2100 - Accra might look like this - if they really work hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT2fOs--TKQ

Precisely why I call most of West Africa cities slumpolis - integrated slums - without any zoning or building code enforced.

Slum occupy 2% of Nairobi landmass (5% of the built up area). The slums are all ILLEGALLY built on road reserves, power line/sewage line reserves, forest, and rivers; they will be all demolished eventually.

For example recently - one such slum - that was sitting on sewage reserve land - was demolished

After slums - you get to Eastland kinda of low quality high rise apartments. Those ones are mostly approved - although a few were built without approval and do get demolished.

In Kenya you cannot just build without APPROVAL.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-jxjxehtyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tqYkH28p9A

popizaino:
The bolded shows you don't even understand what you are saying and you just run your mouth for the sake of it.

Let's even agree with your claim Nairobi is 80% slum and the remaining 20% is a developed part,at least the 80% is clearly separated from the developed part,government can decide to demolish the slum and fill it up with world class housing and every thing becomes ok,but how do ghanaian government begin to tackle that of Accra which according to you might have 20% slum and 80% developed part when the 20% slum is well intergrated in the rest of the city?

Nairobi's michuki park along the river - had been used as dump site


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4VneZxpFrw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAtXugSnMbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyAzguJSVDk

Nairobi

Seem like the only functioning thing in Nigeria is Dangote.

68816419:
Guyz, check out The largest urea fertilizer plant in the world now been completed and tested in Nigeria for operations this quarter.
The $2bn Dangote Fertilizer Plant will cut our fertilizer imports of $500m,and generate $400m annual foreign exchange, in export to Africa countries. NIGERIA WINS.

Which SA company is leading shareholder there? South Africa companies have come but few have succeeded. Those in insurance and banking are the exception - the rest don't last.

Vlain:
Mumu U are still arguing. Did U know Ur two river malls has SA has one of the leading shareholders.without SA Ur two river mall's and most especially f Ur estates wand properties won't exist. They are literally the back bone of Ur property market. Accept and move on bro.

Maybe 88K - sound credible - I know total enrollment - and simply divided by 4 - that good ballpark estimate. I know about 125k are admitted annually - I guess some drop out ?

Source - Commission For University Education - is an example of good sources - don't go scourging the internet for any crap that can support your viewpoint.

https://cue.or.ke/index.php/downloads-1/category/18-universities-data-0-3

jln115:
Omg you are ret@rded :

This is what you said:

Then you said South Africa graduates 200 000 students a year.... With the majority of that being black according to statistics....

Secondly only 88000 people graduated in all the universities combined in Kenya according to your own source.... Not 150000

He is a real irritant - who just quotes anything - and then takes the high pedestal. If we are to cite our sources - it better be credible. Not anything random you pick online - by content creators trying to get adsense and ads.

Shma2020:

We are not writing academic papers for peer review. This is forum to discus contemporaneous issues around our countries. When I quote figures, I expect you take it, and if you disagree, you do the research - and if unable - you can ask me to provide link. But I am not going to be linking or citing everything.

jln115:
citations bitch!!! Can't just suck figures out your thumb

I took his word that South Africa was graduating 65,000 at it's HIGHEST (my mistake - I should have known that like you he has no credibility nor intelligence )

My initial reaction was shock because I know Kenya figures on my fingertips.

I knew Kenya is doing nearly 150K - and of course all are black. I was suprised Kenya would do less than that.

Now for you - instead of researching the correct figures - you went ahead and claimed Kenya graduated 15,000

Now what is retarded about that.

It's retarded that 1) you don't understand the context and 2) you want me to apologize despite taking own initiative to disapprove your own figures - and actually give you a higher more accurate figure. and 3) finally - you claimed Kenya graduates 15K and quoted some seedy website.

WHAT HELL IS WRONG with some of you? Is congenital or just lack of proper education like we know down there or drugs?

jln115:
Omg you are ret@rded :

This is what you said:

Then you said South Africa graduates 200 000 students a year.... With the majority of that being black according to statistics....

Secondly only 88000 people graduated in all the universities combined in Kenya according to your own source.... Not 150000