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jaycent:
I do, buddy and even if I don't. This is our forum not yours, okay??

NairobiWalker,

Right - look like by end of 2019 - we will be approaching 10M. This year those figures look likely to pass 8M.

Jomo Kenyatta International Airport passengers are inching to the one million mark monthly after hitting 787,743 in August 2018
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/10/04/jkia-passenger-numbers-rise-as-nyc-direct-flights-beckon_c1829073

I don't think you miss a day here.

jaycent:
Exactly they don't have any other things to do or any other place to go while they sleep here, wake up here, eat here, bath here, work here, die here and even burried here this Kenyansh are so useless

Yes projection is JKIA will hit 10M soon. They need to resume the greenflied project at JKIA - and get it done. KQ will help with Software/Mgt issues but ultimately gov has to invest in JKIA - the main cashcow.

I know Uhuru cancelled because of Wanjigi but we need to resume expansion of JKIA to handle 20M passengers by 2030.

We will be at South Africa's level then - where OR Tambo Joburg now handles 21M passengers - and JKIA will be handling that number.

NairobiWalker:
14M serving 200M people against 10M serving 48M people. Btw, JKIA has been hitting 1M passengers per month in some months this year. The figures are going to be big, definitely over 8M, probably over 9M.

Actually you should care - look like in 2014 with OIL BOOM you had 7.5M - and now it's going down to 6M - as oil recession bites.

You know in 2014 - JKIA carried less than 4M passengers.

By the time we speak next year - JKIA will be approaching 10M - and LAGOS - with oil crash - will be approaching 4m.

forgiveness:
Who cares?

As at now, Nigeria airport receives more than passengers than Kenya's airport. That is what is on ground now. Kiss the truth.

By the way, see what Lagos airport received in 2016.

Do you just build empty large airports or you build AIRPORTS BASED ON REALISTIC PASSENGER PROJECTIONS. That is what we do. Airports or stadiums are not grandiose white-elephant - they are smart investment- Maiduguru International Airport - when will a flight land there.

Isn't why you're poor despite all the oil. You build grandiose projects when you have 14m passengers.

Wajir airport or Lokichoggio airstrip are probably busier than most of your airports.

forgiveness:
Is your airport among the biggest/largest in Africa?

Well, our airports are now bigger than your one and only big for nothing airport.

Yours is 9th on the list. Down the pecking order.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.africanexponent.com/amp/post/7898-africas-10-largest-airports&ved=2ahUKEwiEnuGRiLPfAhUdShUIHX1jB6oQFjAMegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0GPT2vpZRp3ivCNSphhx5P&ampcf=1

Nigeria should not be in this conversation - you got power blackouts even in the airports
We moved to become a world class Airport. You think KQ would be flying people to Nairobi hub that was bad.
We recently went for global talent and recruited a Nowergian to lead our airports - we jumped from your average airport to world class airport - just 2 yrs - and 2018 we are most improved Airport. Airport is not business Nigerian can hack - first hack stable electricity.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2016/07/13/jonny_andersen.jpg?itok=zo_g064w
Kenya Airports Managing Director Jonny Andersen (Nowergian).


And next year our airports will be turned over to KQ - who will make them truly world class.

forgiveness:
The most improved means it was really useless and bad airport.

And you think somehow JKIA figures for 2017 dropped dead - you are never going to catch up with JKIA soon.

forgiveness:
You are clever by half by coverings the date. Bhuhahahaha!

This is 2016 report and it is outdated.

See snapshot.

Which is why I started from ACI - which ranked JKIA - the most Improved in all categories. And the boko-haram prone Abuja was ranked the most improve safetywise

forgiveness:
Airhelp has no reputation. They are ordinary blogger. Their rating is inconsequential. . Next!

This is another KaziKazi - JKIA beat Lagos - and in terms of total number - Nigeria had 14-14M passengers in all airports/airstrip - and kenya had 10M passengers - despite their country being 200M and having twice the land mass.

NairobiWalker:
......and your source is a blog by a boy who blogs about everything to get traffic?

Here is the list by airmundo. If you doubt MMIA figures bring us the actual source from your airports body.



https://airmundo.com/en/blog/top-10-busiest-airports-in-africa/

Keep googling. JKIA carries more than 7M passengers. Don't even go to CARGO - it probably Africa biggest cargo airport . JKIA is airpolis - Nigeria has small airports.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Africa

forgiveness:
Lying machine.




LIST OF THE BUSIEST AIRPORTS IN AFRICA 2018


A previously done article on this site about airports in Africa was about the biggest airports in Africa.

But there are some other airports which are big but they are not very busy and vice versa.

Passengers travelling by air keeps on doubling each year and airports are getting busier and busier.
Below are some of the busiest airports in Africa and the number of passengers they handle each year.

1. Oliver Tambo International Airport
Country: South Africa
Passengers Handled Per Year: 9.2 – 9.8 million

2. Cairo International Airport
Country: Egypt
Passengers Handled Per Year: 9 million

3. Cape Town International Airport
Country: South Africa
Passengers Handled Per Year: 8.9 – 9.2 million

4. Mohammed V International Airport
Country: Morocco
Passengers Handled Per Year: 7.3 million

5. Murtala Muhammed International Airport Country: Nigeria
Passengers Handled Per Year: 6.4 million

6. Hurghada International Airport
Country: Egypt
Passengers Handled Per Year: 6.3 million

7. Houari Boumediene Airport
Country: Algeria
Passengers Handled Per Year: 5.9 million



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://victormatara.com/list-of-the-busiest-airports-in-africa-2018/&ved=2ahUKEwi1qrGA_7LfAhWRShUIHX_SDsQQFjAUegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2-Qwu3q9cU79Lvi7pB1eJJ&cshid=1545467784242


Where is your airport among the top 7 busiest airports in Africa? Bhuhahahaha!

I can speak of myself. I come here to have fun - it so much fun demolishing Nigerians - if we were in South Africa or another really developed country - we would coil our tails. But Nigeria - is like an opponent who despite passing out severally after several heavy knocks but just keep coming for more punishment.

And in kenya we have mostly limitiless internet and of course 24hrs of electricity - so it not hassle to log in here and many other sites - for infotainment.

As for Conventan university being ranked more than UON - that is probably one wierd index that got it completely wrong. I know you're like Tanzania desperado who will keep such ranking forever.

UON is one of Africa best university - without doubt.

https://uonresearch.org//wp-content/uploads/2018/02/cropped-IMG_20180115_100434.jpg

obaaderemi:
I think we are even bringing ourselves down by rubbing shoulders with them. Honestly, Nigeria has failed woefully due to its governance problems but this thread has really exposed Kenya despite their small size and relative political calm. They didn't suffer any coup or civil war! But Nigeria can come out of this mess. How? Young Nigerians are more aware than before, our economy is arguably Africa's largest(heck, Lagos's economy alone puts Kenya to shame), our education is being upgraded (ordinary Covenant university, a private entity in Ogun state is ranked higher than all Kenyan universities), there's more attention paid to infrastructure and corruption though hydra headed is gradually being checked. In short Nigerians are now asking question like not before. China used to have about 80% poverty rate in the 70s but look where they are today. The secret? Education and awareness. Nigeria is down but we are not out.. Clearly, no African country has potential like Nigeria. The cup is half full. If not serious insecurity, what would make grown men waste so much time on a Nigerian site all the way from east Africa. Don't you see how early they wake up to come to nairaland and how late they stay every night? This means a lot to them; To rub shoulders with Nigerians.

Precisely. Kenya bottom-feeders in South Africa are found selling curios - that they import from Kenya - to tourists. Otherwise most of kenyans in South Africa are students and proffesionals.

kikuyu1:
Evidence! Provide at least three different reports from RELIABLE MEDIA of Kenyans doing the infamous Naij type scams using your monikers.
I'll wait, thanks!

What is you GDP using market rate (USD 1:365 naira) now. And what is your nominal GDP now.

Let me help you around 320B. Divided by 198M. Nominal GDP 1,610USd. If you use Gov exchange rate 370B (per capita is 1860).

Kenya GDP is roughly now 90B against pop of 48M - our per capita is nearly 1900USd.

And ours is NOT COOKED. Yours OVER-COOKED.

We have gone through the spending - revenue several times - your federal+state budget total is now around 41B dollars - our total budget National+counties - is around 35-36B.

And you can imagine you got 4 times the population and twice the land mass to cover - with ABOUT the same money in gov coffers.

And now oil is crashing - you'll be crying tears for long time.

forgiveness:
Yes! That happened only in your fantasy.
What is Kenya's yearly spending? Let us finish this debate once and for all.

Kenya is corrupt but has never been more corrupt than Nigeria.
What part of currency printing did I lie to you.
Dela Rue built a factory for printing currency in 1990ss - and Kenya has never imported currency.
We have printed polymers notes locally since 1990s. De la Rue imported old polymers machines from Malta & New Zealand to print polymers in Kenya as early as 90s.
Nobody in kenya has ever heard of money being imported - it a strange conversation you got there .
You've been printing only 50 naira note till recently,importing the rest
This we need by giving De la Rue incentives - free 10 acre land and 10 yr tax holiday.
Dela Rue is now 40% owned by CBK.
https://kenyanwallstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-shot-2018-01-30-at-9.26.22-PM.png
As you speak De la Rue factory just got fresh investment as it aims to become regional printer
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/marketnews/De-La-Rue-invests-millions-in-plant-amid-cash-tender-war/3815534-4285492-vqy5hv/index.html

obaaderemi:
Your little India is recognized as more corrupt than Nigeria. Why are you lying about your currency printing?

Nigeria - don't know start on Aviation.

JKIA - carries more passengers than any Nigeria airport.

2018 ACI - Nairobi (JKIA) won the Most Improved Airport in Africa (all categories).

JKIA won Best Airport in Africa and 38th globally - according to AirHelp Worldwide.

Don't start on airport sector - Nigeria is totally crap.

forgiveness:
What a lame point.

What did your NAIROBI airport win? Nothing.

That is rich coming from a Nigerian with well earned world-wide reputation for sleaze. I'll take that as a compliment.

obaaderemi:
You are a thief because lying comes so naturally to you. You've lost it.

We actual do a lot helping South Africa address it immigration issues by jailing and deporting thousands of Ethiopeans and Somalis trying to make their way through Kenya. Most of them - now prefer to somehow find themselves in Uganda or any other country.

Look at these Ethiopeans being trafficked to South Africa - they were arrested in Nairobi - and we do that on nearly daily basis.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/1720076.jpg?itok=vbSFqSt7

50 people holed up in a safe house in Huruma - destination SOUTH AFRICA.

TayserMahiri:
It's actually the case that South Africans generally don't attack Kenyans. Somebody who was once there told me so. You could even be protected by civilians for being Kenyan. We're that respected.

That rich. South Africans here have said you behave like sewer rats. When xenophobia broke out - you were the main target with somalis. We know majority of Nigerians in South Africa - are not engaged in clean business - but drug dealing, robberies,kidnapping, killings and such very serious crime synonymous with Nigerians abroad - and both gov & south african on the streets - don't want them there.

As for Kenya - despite not being in SADC - South Africa has relaxed visa requirement for kenyans. They know we don't go to smooch the system - and behave like you - leeches. Very soon Kenya will be entitled to South African Visa on arrival.

Runalong333:
Nigerians here are very skilled not beggers and criminals like you lazy goats .

So yellow eye is the marker for kenya-poverty. How are the nearly 70m nigeria described as poor look like. They look well-nourished, well dressed and bubbly I bet. What a crazy idiot. Do you know how many poor Nigeria kids never get to see their 5th birthday. Millions. Their little graves dot Nigeria - because your country not only fails the present but also the future generation - and is not doing anything to combat poverty - despite all the OIL in niger delta and onshore in Altantic.

Runalong333:
Your tstupid head think a black man could be an expat because the whites and Indians that own all the big businesses in Kenya told you so . You are daft. You know that your yellow eyed children who can never be on the same level as Nigeian children, whether poor or rich. Kenya is a poor country with big dreamers, more like delusional people lol.

Not everyone who claims to be a Nigerian immigrant is actually a Nigerian, feast on this fool .

https://www.nairaland.com/4916495/two-togolese-nabbed-while-attempting#74038949.

So where are 13m poor coming from. Kwa Zulu natal rural. The kenyans in South Africa are very few.

Runalong333:
You are creating a stupid theory.

Most people who are poor in south Africa are South Africans. Don't be a fool. There are as many Kenyan immigrants as Nigerians if not more and they are less likely to be self employed unlike us . If Nigerians live like rats even though we hustle what more of dirty looking Kenyans? . You are dump , immigrants don't get any welfare in south Africa, it only refugees like Kenyans and Somalians that do. Nigerians whether poor or rich always depend on their own hustle unlike you parasites who queue at home affairs daily , begging for food and welfare money . Shameless idiots. First become a developed country before blowing all this hot air . You talk too much for a starving country .

Little expat (nurse fool - when you find a word to describe all those type of poverty - let us know. You can even use Yoruba or Igbo. Maybe you can invent Kenya-Poverty, Nigeria-Poverty. We got mainstream poverty definitions - like absolute poverty, food poverty, etc - maybe you can tell us the difference btw starving turkana kid eating wild berries and starving lagos kids eating from the dump sites.

Runalong333:
A child starving to death in turkana and kibera cannot be the same as a child living in poverty in the most recognisable slum in south Africa or Nigeria. There are big differences.

I was just wagering a theory.

I think majority of them are Zimbwabweans - and I know lots of somalis & ethiopeans - are trafficked through kenya - to South Africa - these are people who end up in poverty & slums. I know Nigeria are living like sewer rats there too (and probably having them for dinner ) - 10-15 in a one bed house - and those are part of the 13m poor. There are probably a few kenyans in the mix but I think they are very tiny majority.

And that probably explain why welfare system aint working - coz they are mostly illegal people who cannot get gov cheques or food stamps - and end up creating slums & criminal dens.

The solution is for South Africa to take drastic actions against illegals - and deport them back home or in refugee camps.

Runalong333:
Are you trying to say immigrants are now the cause of poverty in south Africa? You know that includes Kenyans too right? . Having a welfare system that both feeds and skills people is a problem? . That chaanga of yours is a problem here .

You're the one who get knickers in a knot whenever South Africa is mentioned. Don't overcompensate their generosity. You're just immigrant in South Africa working off her butt to get a meal. South Africa is a great nation - a developed nation compared to many - a country that is miles ahead of kenya - and that Kenya should emulate.

But it has it's own issues and I am not afraid to highlight them - wealth/inequality gap that seem to follow racial lines for one - it has bad education for it's developmental stage - it has land issues - it has racial issues - it has immigration issues. All those issues contribute to the poverty and slums. There are slums like Kibera in South Africa - one in Cape Town I bet is now bigger than Kibera.

As Kenya aim for South Africa - I expect South Africa to aim for Australia.If they are complacent Kenya will get to their level and overtake them

Runalong333:
Hahahahaha when the rest of Africa wish to be like the Emirates, Singapore etc . Kenya is dreaming of South Africa?. Why bring a fellow struggling country in all your arguments ? . Have you no shame . You seem to forget that not so long ago the South Africa had majority of its people living in worst conditions than most Africans including Kenyans , today they seem to be your papa . Nigeria is struggling too but we can't be looking at South Africa when we want to dream.

Youre an idiot who just like to equivocate. A poor person is a poor person whether in Nigeria or South Africa or Kenya. There are tools for measuring poor people. There are very rich people in Somali or Malawi.

There are also tools to measure progress against poverty. If South Africa is making progress - it will show in less and less poor people - as more and more escape poverty. If it building a dependency systems that need more and more welfare - then it's throwing more money at the problem- rather than solving it.

I think for now majority of poor in south africans - are mostly immigrants - 10m of them from all these poor african countries who keep crossing the border.

Runalong333:
So South Africa made it this far without knowing what they should be doing ? . Are you Kenyans this daft . Why do you think they made it to BRICS before us even with a smaller GDP and population?. If you were smart you would see that South Africa is the odd one out on that group, meaning they had to do a whole lot of work to bridge big gaps which includes having a big middle class population . Extremely poor list? By African standards both south Africa and Nigeria should not be on that list. I am not saying this to win the argument but this is a fact. Both countries have poor people, but like you said all countries differ in poverty. For instance poor Nigerians can't just starve without any war or insurgency . How can everyday Nigerians be poorer than Kenya, Somalia and Malawi . Not true. South Africa has their poor but they also have the most developed welfare system in Africa,not just for feeding the poor but giving them skills to feed. How can those people be worse off than most of Africa?.

Yes - not only them - but all relatives - That is what makes corruption a high risk low return venture. We need to change the risk-reward matrix. The demolition of 4,000 properties was also a game changer.

I passed by Taj Mall - I couldn't believe it - there is not even a rumble.

Right now they are demolishing 600 apartments in Kayole - This is what we need - THE DAMN RULE OF THE LAW.

tylann:
all suspected graft lords they accounts should be frozen

I am positive we will see an upswing. We are foccusing on the big boys. I think the small guys - like police corruption - will be easy to slay - once their is faith in the graft war.

Once we slay corruption - Nigeria will be seeing our dust as we approaching South Africa.

The DPP has really beefed up his legal arsenal - including hiring a British QCs to prosecute the likes of Deputy Chief Justice - and other good lawyers like the guy there Murgor.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/friday/exgcrgxw8kjcdk0qt5c0aaed021d3e.jpg

Ibrahimanis:
Let's wait for TI Corruption Perception Index next year.

Yes I really hope the former DDP Keraiko Tobiko and few judges are extradited to US as lesson. Our judiciary clealry after annuling presidential election should not fear the corrupt. Also the Asset Recovery are making graft a pretty risk game - the assets including of relatives seizure is a game changer.

tylann:
they have done a good job now the courts need to play it's part not giving bails left and right corrupt individuals should be locked up not given bails

Nigeria - we may no longer be the corrupt buddies of Africa - thanks to effort of this 2 gentlemen - DPP Noor Haji & DCI George Kinoti - plus a judiciary that is starting to get it act together. I know Buhari has been huffing and buffing - but his fight seem more political than clinical.

Kenya 2018 Persons of Year - without doubt go to the Director of Public Prosecution Noor Haji with supporting act from Director of Criminal Investigation George Kinoti. They have slayed the corruption monster clinically, methodically and without fear. The corrupt mafia are now scared of fridays - when they get picked to spend weekends in filfy cells!

https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2018/12/20/1810545.jpg?itok=ZW_OQtwr

I am also excited about 2019 - Twalib Mbarak - our new Anti Graft tsars shed tears literally and corrupt if they thought 2018 was BAD - 2019 will be a disaster
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/monday/alepuapmncncb5r5c17ccacb2232.jpg

Mobile money is the game changer here. As you know GDP = Money Supply x Velocity of Money; Mpesa is velocity on steroid. I think we will due for rebasing soon - but definitely our GDP is probably as large as 100B now. We just need to fix corruption and I am glad we are finally have a handle on that. I hope we can really fight corruption - and we will not be here arguing with godforsaken Nigeria.

kikuyu1:
Stats like this make me strongly suspect our GDP is larger than is currently captured officially. Rvp20183,what say you? Your analysis is eagerly awaited!

Yes - we have a short coastline that we should keep pristine - it not worth it - move interior - deep in TSAVO- or Ukambani or NEP.

Troy404:
The location of the coal plant is bad,do you think soo??

Impressive work by that Dr. Look like we may lead the world with Renewable Energy. We just need to retire the thermals energy although BASE LOAD will remain a challenge. Wind can be erratic. I think we should get a few coal plants.

Troy404:
Kipeto wind power project has reached financial close ,once complete will generate 100MW of power from 60 wind turbines enough to power 40,000 homes