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Of course we have our own huge problems but we are not in a recession.We are growing at 6% year in year out. Nigeria though have gigantic problems.

68816419:
As if yours is better of?

How will you navigate
1) Huge unemployment (at 27%) - of mostly black - leading to crime wave & resentment.
2) Land & mines seizures & related rhetoric from minority whites that could attract sanctions & cause capital flight
3) Immigration of bottom feeders from Africa countries that could undermine your pan-african dream if you kick them out. Out-migration of highly skilled whites.
Those are the huge challenges facing South Africa.
I think you've been postponing the land question for far too long - something Zim did for nearly 30 yrs - but eventually had to just do it.

Lionessza6:
Lol, I saw give us 18 months to fix ourselves not 15 years . Our last technical recession lasted for about 6 months, the one before that about 8, so we ain't exactly new to things like this, that is why we are the model of Africa . This time it's even more exciting , there is a lot at stake and a whole lot to gain. The best time to test our democracy and sovereignty is
now , and even better to bring in more competion and kick arse in many non- mineral sectors not only in Africa but globally. South Africa has spent so much money developing skills and expertise on these sectors for close to two decades now , so it's time to see if it was all a waste or we did what most of Africa clearly missed when they gained the so called " independence ". It's either we are going to join the masses in Africa who have all the lands at their disposal yet are wallowing in poverty and extreme poverty or we will be the odd ones out once again . We know many can't wait for us to join them in their miseries , that is why most always reference the Mugabe decision when they are talking about what is currently going on in south Africa,yet none can show us any similarities between the two besides the obvious.

Some nonsense do not deserve a response. Go slow on codein or whatever illegal stuff you're taking.

darfay:
Tz is your largest trading partner. They dominate your Agriculture while Nigerian jumai dominates your real estate and e-commerce, Somalis dominates your retail trade

Modern fitting mart a Tanzanian firm is transforming the business scape in Kenya

Remove Oil and you have a massive slum country. Their total banking asset for 2016 was 87B dollars - and our 40 dollars - You can go sector to sector - and at best their economy is twice Kenya - and that is massive country. South Africa, Egypt and Algeria are on another level.

Jonraid:
Just travel around SA,you feel the 350 BILLION DOLLAR GDP.You see the GDP from the infrastructure to the people! When I saw Algeria's pictures and its numbers ON VARIOUS INDICES I told my friend,''Now this is a true 175 billion dollar GDP'' But when you look at Nigeria's stats and the ugly Danfos,you know something is not right about their numbers!

This is hilarious. Now you're trying to force everything to 3 times less...so you can just be at Kenya level. Ohoo yeah banking assets is indicator of your financial sector - which is part of GDP. Obviously you GDP is overcooked - while in reality - it's about twice kenya..180B dollars...not the current 350B...you're not in South Africa level.

forgiveness:
Liar. Your banking assets is just 39b dollars.

That is just three times lesser than Nigeria's bank assets.

Besides, does assets determine the GDP of a country?

You fail basic maths. You're 4 times larger than us. Your pop now 190M (2017) and Kenya pop(49.7m); that works out to 3.9% or round off to 4 times. There is no sector you've shown us except perhaps oil & nollywood that I would say you're 4 times bigger..it at best 2 times..at worse we are equal or even beat you.

forgiveness:
Our population is 190m. That is just 3 half times bigger than Kenya. Stop adding figures.

We have shown to be three times/4 times/ 5 times better than Kenya in some parts of the Service sector. You can keep deceiving yourself.

Slighly behind - and yet we are talking about 50M market - compared to 200M market. You claim to have bigger GDP than South Africa whose banking assets alone are nearly 370B. You are competing 2017 WITH Kenya 50B(possible) versus 95B. You should be competing with Egypt and South Africa - but here is Kenya slowly nipping your heels.

forgiveness:
Thank God you have agreed that you are still behind Nigeria in the financial industry. Next!

6 yrs of losses. What will change to make them profitable. I think Jumia won't survive long. OLX and others have come and gone. Africa not ready yet for e-commerce. There is no infrastructure to make it profitable. The hassle, the fraud and the all that.

Jonraid:
They advertise houses in their platform just like phones and laptops.They don't build houses! They are in loss.Hope they get a profit!

http://www.informationng.com/2018/04/e-commerce-giant-jumia-suffered-n53-billion-loss-in-2017.html



And I hope Rocket International won't sell it!

https://www.kachwanya.com/2018/04/17/rocket-internet-declares-intention-to-sell-jumia/

You sound like typical Nigeria who didn't go to any decent school. Jumia are real estate agent. They also sell hotel rooms. They don't own or operate any of that. Not even the merchandize they sell.

darfay:
I will show you instead after all a truly great picture is worth a thousand words. We build houses for your Indian masters and everyone is happy. Who cares

Get more reliable facts & figures regarding tourism from UNCTAD. Never heard of that World Tourism thing.

forgiveness:
Is United Nation World tourism Organisations a questionable source?

Now, I know you have no regards for Authority.

I see Kilimall is already in Lagos. That basically cancel all the useless bragging right you had hahaha. Poor Nigeria!
https://www.kilimall.ng/

KiliMall- founded(2014) in Kenya by Chinese national Yang Tao who moved to Kenya in 2010.
https://www.kilimall.co.ke/
Masoko - founded by Safaricom - largest telcom here.
masoko.com
Jumia - founded by nigerian and sold to germans.

darfay:
Stop claiming kilimall, it is a Tz achievement

Wetin be masoko? Isn't that a Ugandan cosmetics shop

Jumia(Naija) still dominates your housing

For someone who doesn't know the difference btw revenue and profit I think you're done. This is beyond your paygrade. Kenya has 3 banks in Bankers 1000 - namely KCB, Equity and Co-operative bank. Nigeria has 6 banks -Zenith, FBN, GTbank, Access, UBA & Diamond.Our banks have for a long time been GLOBAL (leave africa) most profitable banks.

forgiveness:
1. Nigeria Banks leads in the most profitable banks in Africa. We dominated the top 5. Kenya's banks are below the pecking order. (see snapshot 1 &2)

2. Lying Kenyan, Only two Kenyan banks made the top 1000 global banks in the world and they were below Nigerian banks. See snapshot 3 &4.

I am not done yet.

Kilimall in TZ is an actual mall - in Kenya it's e-commerce that should be competing with Jumia and Masoko. Then dozen other small e-commerce sites including vitumob, himall - all of them are struggling to sell anything beyond cheap chinese phones.

darfay:
Kilimall is based in dar er salam.
Olx is not Kenyan
Vitumob is from Ethiopia
Worst of all,all of them all combined isn't up to jumia

Kilimall should be toe to toe with Jumia in kenya online commerce space - and Safaricom MASOKO probably is even bigger now - Vitumob, pigieme, Olx. In any case I don't see Jumia staying for that long. It's owner Rocket Internet are busy looking for someone to buy it - it made losses every year since it was founded.

darfay:
List your laggards

Don't sweat it. Jumia is yet to break 6 yrs since it started. It just burning money. There is nothing to be proud about here. They are probably going to declare bankrupt in the short ran.

darfay:
You are truly mad. Please explain what dey mean by Hq that is placed behind ikeja. You know better than the company

We have lots of ecommerce sites - and all of them combined - do not make lot of sales - not even 1% of total retail.

darfay:
That is why a shirty Lagos based firm is dominating Kenya

You don't have slums - you entire cities are integrated - slum sit next to massionette next to a flat next to office block - in most kenyan cities - that simply doesn't happen. You see them same in South Africa. Slums are side-effect of well planned cities in developing world.

68816419:
well, no country in Africa that those not have slums, Nigeria makoko slums are mostly inhabited by Togolese and people from Togo, the issue is that Nigeria slums are not really that large in comparison with the population, what we have here is nothing to be compared with what I saw in Nairobi, Nigeria do have old buildings/ancient buildings(Ibadan,kano )and they all have access roads and proper interconnectivity, these buildings major challenge is the types of roofing systems been used back then and may be improper refused management systems.

Not anymore. They report to Dubai & France. The CEO seem based in Washington DC.

darfay:
Shitty Lagos is controling the largest online retailer in Kenya. Kill yourself and rovketscience are only investors they didn't buy it

E-commerce is old tech. Amazon is probably 30yrs old.

68816419:
accepting the fact jumia was founded by two Nigerians would mean accepting defeat as a result Nigeria tech outreach power.hahahah

They are desperate for something, anything. They can't stand the thought that Jumia aint theirs anymore.

Jay254:
Just gave them very credible info, Nigerians are very funny people.

Precisely. You can always almost tell which post was made by a Tanzanian or Nigerian. The English is wanting, the logic is missing, sound argumentation is absent,it's bereft of even common sense and they are generally hard to read & understand. Their education is that bad.

Jonraid:
Just from the posts and the logic applied,you can tell if it's a Nigerian or Kenyan.Nigeria's education system must not be the most efficient .Well,you can't expect much from a country that pays it's teachers,police and military men salary equivalent of a Kenya's garden-boy !

I saw analyzing their budget - Gov actually budget for recovery of money from Swiss. Corrupt Nigerians basically took their billions from Oil and banked in Swiss accounts. That is why the country just look as crap as Niger or Chad.

mtisTheQubit:
good move..we kinda lucky tht we are not experimenting..we pick from the best..

1) We shown gazillion of pictures - including your beloved Rosyambu. People living in Kibera generally have better deal than a guy in Lekki or Victoria - they have 24hrs water, electricity, roads & are few minutes from CBD/Upper hill. That is just how good Nairobi is compared to the CHAOS that is Lagos.
2) I am talking of indices of several indicators of progress from external reputable organization - not our own generated GDP. Your GDP is of course fake. Just see pictures of Algeria - 200B economy or South Africa - 350B economy - to know your statistician is lying to you.
3) The areas you've cherry-picked are historically indian & white areas - they were exclusively Indian or White until 1963!! - but if you go there now - you can see lots of black in there - otherwise Nairobi itself is large - and apart from those areas you've again cherry-picked - the rest of Nairobi is owned by black Kenyans.
4) As for plans...Eko City one tower per decade? We also have PLANS. Big plans. Big dreams. We have 3 cities in Nairobi sorrounding already off ground..Tatu City, Konza City & Northland City. Nairobi beat LAGOS in everything that matters - infrastructures (roads,airports, rails, power supply, sewage, water) - it beat Lagos in formal trading (stores, supermarkets, malls), in hotels & accommodation (number of branded beds - Nairobi has more than twice Lagos) - it beat Lagos in schools, hospitals, universities & name it. Even our dafnos (matatus) are way better than rickety public yellow yellow transports. Your traffic jam are more horrible than Nairobi. Your pollution is worse. Name it and you've got a bad deal.

5) Nigeria only beat Kenya in POPULATION.

68816419:
1) you only showed pictures of the tiny parts(mostly CBD) of Nakuru, Mombasa , kisumu and other places), which is less than 1% of land masses, same goes to Nairobi.
2), fake GDP and you want us to belief yours ain't fake?
lagos has more roads than nairobi, nairobi has Mombasa roads as a majors road and newly constructed thika high way (which Chinese are the cleaners and mangers) and links other counties. Nairobi does not have large inner roads, many flyovers, good drainages systems, sporting facilities,no ports,more industries and factory like Lagos , don't forget that Lagos alone have more than four large ports others are under construction, its building new cities within city (orange island, eco Atlantic city....) new international airports, new free trade zones, largest refinery and fertilizer in the world (dangote refinery )new 3000MGW of electricity, how then can it be compared with Lagos
3) So who are the people that dominates and owns most of the businesses in Westland, parkland, kilmani, spring valley , Karen, is it the aboriginal Kenyans or the so called "generational Indians- white Kenyans"?

Make believe Stats. One minute Nigeria produced million of tonnes of rice - the next minute they are world second biggest importer of rice.

forgiveness:
Redundancy is only synonymous with Kenya.

Oil only adds 10% to our GDP. Our services sector is our biggest asset.

If don't know what is service sector, I can still help you with that.

We have census next year and we shall see. Hopefully we don't get into Nigeria rigged census where counties compete in inflating their pop so they get more allocation. Gov has really spend on Family Planning - we relie on donors - instead of spending money to ensure everyone has ability to choose when to have kids and how many - by making contraceptive available. We need to get to situation where the typical person has 2 kids...and no more. China is basically reaping their 1950s decision to aggressively control population.a

Poor Nigeria with their religious implosion are in a fix.

Magufuli the Tazania fool is urging his foolish people to sire as many kids as they can.

Jonraid:
Glad knowing I'm not the only one concerned of population.WE JUST NEED NOT TO GO PAST 60.Population growth is only great when the resources and economy can match it.We need to quickly reap that demographic dividend.This is what keeps developing countries up the charts!

You're spot on. We generally were doing well -growing on average 7% plus- until mid 70s oil crisis (this should have helped Nigeria quickly develop because Oil barrel price moved from 3dollars to 12 dollars but we know Nigeria) - and the global crisis persisted thro the 80s (deflation) - but we somehow we managed to grow by 4-5% - and were doing generally well.I think what killed us long before IMF &WB came to our rescue & make the bad situation worse was our 70s & 80s POPULATION EXPLOSION. For like 2 decades we had the world fastest population growth(4% annualized) - the 1960s investment on health (basic health, immunizations) drastically reduce mortality and our women were competing to produce 8-15 kids on average. We had 4% Pop growth rate that made nonsense of our economic growth of 4-5%. Our population ballooned quickly from 6-8M at independence to 15m before 1980s..and by turn of century it was nearly 30m. Luckly we started drastic family planning education and while we had been expected to hit 50m by 2005 - we are still not there in 2050. This population explosion affected nearly every Africa country and could explain why we lost track with Asians & Latin Americas.IMF intervention in 90s was to make a bad situation worse...by recommending cutting back on social spending....while the country was literally teaming with millions of kids....who needed health care, education & housing...and slowly slums emerged in Nairobi & other towns...kids started skipping school as parents couldn't afford uniforms leave alone school fees...and gov services slowly ground to halt as everything started becoming chargeable. The 90s were essentially a lost decade for kenya. We only recovered in 2000s after it become evident IMF were completely wrong. Poor war torn countries like Uganda had done the contrary...funded universal free education..and were doing far better than kenya. But the enduring lesson we learnt from 90s was to never to relie on donors or Imf or wb...and that lesson has seen us have budget we completely control. Uganda & Tanzania are still in 90s and have to listen to donors or imf..or 50% of their budget is gone. Rwanda are now slowly climbing out of relying on donors....but are aggressively improving the ability to finance the budget thro taxes & domestic borrowing.

Right now I don't see anything bringing us down..we have mitigated both internal & exogenous risks...not a global crisis (we went through 2008 like nothing was happening) will bring us down - not a local crisis (2008 was a flip)....we are on sweat spot of an almost assured 6% growth..

kikuyu1:
Thanks! I knew you'd be the first to see some truth in here. Let me expound without getting too wordy. Our first major infrastructure project after Uhuru was the Nairobi Mombasa highway which believe it or not remained untarmacked!
People insist colonialism left us with modern infrastructure! Anyway, it took 25% of the entire fledgling country's budget and 4 yrs from 65-68,IIRC.
At the same time health services previously restricted to whites,their black collaborators and Asians apart from a few mission clinics were massively expanded on all levels.
Poverty was high,the tax take was low but the government made an effort:THEY ROSE TO THE CHALLENGE. Do you know as recently as the early 70s sick Kenyans would go to a certain field in Kiserian,lie down and wait to die? That's how it was for the majority in colonialism. I forget the name of the place but its in Kiserian and til recently there were skeletons and traditional beads lying around.
All the while the West will never leave us alone,perpetually pulling strings and scheming to regain control. I'm 2004 a cousin of mine, a relative of then finmim Mwiraria told me of the IMF discussions in New York. BASICALLY, THEY WANTED OUR ENTIRE BANKING SYSTEM.They insisted on privatising NBK and COOP not via our stock exchange but by buy outs by US banks!
We'd be like Uganda or Tz if he'd agreed! If you remember a few weeks later the West began fighting Kibaki in a way that shocked even Mois' former supporters.
Let me end saying I really wish we'd ALL WISE UP AND LOOK DEEPER INTO THINGS. Then we'd see what Chinese infrastructure loans are all about. Its a poor country's ONLY OPTION.

Yeah not looking good for Azania now. The dark clouds are gathering and definitely come 2030 we shall be ready to battle them. We just need to triple our economy to something like 30 trillion Kshs....which shouldn't be hard in 10yrs if we keep our growth momentum and don't increase our population.

TayserMahiri:
No rubbish. Am not rubbish guy. Am talking about real ads ive seen the last few weeks. Will use my sniffing tool more. I switch too much between channels so my chances of finding are quite minimal. But its true the last two quarters your economy has contracted by as much as 2 %. Basically you're in a technical recession. The agriculture sector especially is leading the contraction. Hope its not what am thinking The expropriations. And manufacturing and transport are also contracting seriously. Unless you have a better plan than Mugabe, im obviously going to bet my bottom dollar that this contraction is longterm. I told you we, you, and 2030 are like thissss...

1) Pictures don't lie. We've seen pictures of Nairobi, Mombasa, Nakuru and Kisumu - and there are clearly better cities than anything you got in Nigeria.
2) Data don't lie. We have indices that compares Nigeria/Lagos with Kenya/Nairobi & apart from population & a fake GDP - kenya almost always beat Nigeria & Lagos - in all those criteria you've identified.

3) You lie mostly because you're biased.Upper hill was recently a residential estates and so was westlands/parklands/kilimani/ name them - but they've grown into high density areas and infrastructure hasn't kept up but gov generally is doing something. You also lie that Kenya wealth is owned by foreigners or non-indigenous...Asian do dominate our manufacturing sector for historical reason but like in trading sector they are being replaced by black Kenyans.

68816419:
ll, the very truth is nairobi can only defeat lagos in greening and nothing else, when both CBDs are removed from the equations, Lagos wins hands down, the reasons been that , nairobi development are all situated at the CBD and adjoining upper hill Ares, and this so called upper hill have bad infrastructure(bad roads, no drainage, no good master plans) and this tells you that Kenyans can never build any planned city from scratch.
Aside that, even the so called " developed" areas are too small to be compared with Lagos developed areas . In lagos, development are well spreads across different locations you could go to Ikeja VI, Apapa, festac, lekki and other places and find that these areas have the feeling of a "City" and not just as an areas, these places (not the CBDs) are planned and could actually be compared with other Africa capital city cause of their sizes and contents .
I know Kenya in an out as i was parts of IT experts that were contracted for some projects across the country.
I can tell you that lagos have superior infrastructure not only in Nairobi but the whole of Kenya at large, lagos roads are wider, cleaner and one can't even compare the numbers of flyovers lagos has with the whole of kenya.
And about other kenya cities(Nakuru, Mombasa, kisumu, eldoret...), they all have same issues, develop a small portion of the county, make it a CBD and then leave the 98% of other places out, you could compare Mombasa with states like Kaduna,
Uyo, Benin and even with that, Nigeria States would still be better off, for the fact they have better roads network connectivity and have their development spreads across.
In comparing Kaduna with Nakuru, even those the Small Nakuru CBD would win in the area of CBD development, Kaduna would still win in the aspects of general developments, kaduna have large towns such as Kaduna city,Zaria, kafancha and other area, but Nakuru and Mombasa only boast of their CBD ,it will be suicidal to compare any other Nigeria states , such as abuja, ph, Enugu, calabar, with any kenya county, these states have superior infrastructure, better roads networks, bigger towns within States or counties,larger economy, better future development prospect,better sports and recreational facilities.
In generally speaking, Nigeria is more developed than Kenya, in terms of roads networks, planned and larger cities, more and better international airports,better economy, bigger tourisms prospect, better sports facilities,have more locals controls of resources and properties,very open to foreigners and does not care where u r from (imagine locals and foreigners working around with passports trying to avoids very corrupt police officials ).
kenya have the advantage of having much more foreigners as local but I real don't see that as an advantage this bcs these guys leave far more better than the locals
lastly, some kenya cities tends to be Eco friendlier than Nigeria and this could be attributed to better policies, the fact its generates large chunks of the country income and the fact that it has lesser population than Nigeria cites.
100% truth.

THIS IS A GEM MY FRIEND.

kikuyu1:
Mrembo,I must disagree! I always see this and just run out of words....Anyway,here's why we're poor-WE WERE ALWAYS POOR! Uncolonised like you settler colonies like us and Zim and non settler countries like Uganda and Naij were always poor! Immediately after we attained uhuru there was an immediate jump in longevity and a drop in child and maternal deaths across the continent-WHY?
Pls do some research,that goes to everyone else here;we're caught up in easy dishonest narratives that have us believing we were all once Finland or Canada when the truth is even Kenya will reach the 'Phils 3000$ per capita in another 5 years. Point being:we need to remember some facts!
By the mid 60s with increased educational investment;coupled with better health and increased spending the sky was the limit for Africa! This was the time of water for all/schools for all/food self sufficiency for all by 1980. It seemed possible ,and it was,actually. The 70s rolled in and came with the oil shock-A BARREL ROSE FROM 3 TO 12$ IN ONE YEAR!!?
Social spending was slashed,all the ambitious plans were put on hold and African countries independent for merely a decade struggled. Ishyt got worse:as stagflation worsened,the price of our commodities,coffee,copper,cocoa,tea etc etc fell. As obvious macroeconomic problems appeared a new problem rose. The WB/IMF and their structural adjustment policies,ruthless rigid rules presupposing our economic problems were caused by overly structured top heavy economies when nothing could be further from the truth!
They insisted basically on these measures with little difference
-free floating currency
-privatisation of all parastatals
-sharp reduction in social spending,when health and education were already underfunded
-regardless of social costs,joblessness,strikes,riots,screams,tears etc etc

We Africans had to learn new things very very quickly-blaming our leaders is like blaming the drowning tsunami victim;they're equally powerless!! I wish you'd talk to guys who were senior government officials in the 70s and 80s and the shock at how a never ending train of mutually reinforcing problems derailed all national progress;how everything seemed slanted against us and truly it was like the unravelling would never never end!