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He is Nigerian based in South Africa. Just like KaziKazi is Tanzania based in RSA. Lionez is a South African.

Jonraid:
It seems that someone is taking things to the heart and avoiding the elephant in the room!
No Kenyan has said that we are numero uno in every field,the giants of Africa or sort,rvp2018 has been mentioning where you guys should really be! He has shown you the ranking,you shouldn't be competing with us in some aspects.We have gone along admitting that we are no world beaters.No Kenyan here is arrogant to admit our own country's shortcomings! The truth of the matter is,the blacks in SA got a raw deal there AND THAT'S THE FEELING ON THE GROUND.It seems that you are heading towards believing that our economy is run by Indians and Europeans just like the Nigerians.Well go on and mention this Indians,Europeans and their companies.Mention the stakes Kenyans have in the economy compared to the whites and the Indians you are mentioning.Come up with the computations and convince us if you are truthful!

This long diatribe is another example of misplaced aggression. I think Nigeria need to learn to face reality & facts. Of course South Africa has longer history of white & asian domination & did benefit from it. But lets's not get into controversy that history inevitably leads to...lets us deal with facts as of now. South Africa education systems is worse than poor country like Kenya. South africans ought to see this as a wake up call or a challenge to reconfigure their education systems to meet their economic challenges. They don't have to be as aggressive as Nigerian bull on heat.Kenya is far from having as good as education systems as white south african(5-10% of the population) have but generally we are kicking arse in Sub-Sahara Africa - hardly anything to be proud of.

As for CEOS -
A Kenyan has been appointed to be the first African to head beer giant Diageo’s business operations in continental Europe and Russia.
Peter Ndegwa - Formerly Guiness Nigeria CEO - now General Manager in Continental Europe.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/image/view/-/4751100/medRes/2104432/-/maxw/960/-/11ukn2j/-/ndegwa.jpg

Runalong333:
We know this is your little attempt at trying to generate black South Africans, just like you have been trying to do to other Africans and you keep on embarrassing yourselves. Malema was born in the 80s and is a graduate of UNISA which is even rated better than some of your own Universities , and Zuma does not have any degree so I don't understand what you were getting at by mentioning him. Yes , they had unknown schools because they were badly funded for sabotage , duh!. I'm starting to suspect that some of you are paid from outside of Africa to post here , you are too out of touch with African realities including those of kenya lol. Actually we have heard of them , that is why some leaders in Africa studied there silly . You have been glorifying white privilege all over the place , and we are called the white worshippers by you Kenyans . Nigerians have pride , not this silliness. How many white South Africans went to these Universities compared to the majority who didn't even have grade 12 certificates ?. The South African universities were mainly meant for the privilledged not everyone , read and learn and stop reasoning with your changa drinking anus. You mentioned those whites, where are their Kenyan black counterparts ? . They achieved all of that after you are independent and able to attend " your world class universities " , why are you not on par with them?. Nigerians would never delude ourselves , white South Africans had a head start from all blacks in Africa, not even one black country has been able to compete with them favourable. Where are the Shuttleworths of kenya ? . Why are is your manufacturing dominated by Indians and the British even after going to the same schools as you for 55 years ? . Why are almost all the multi- nationals headed by white people and a few ceremonial heads if you all are better educated than most Africans?. It seems all this education you are bragging about is only benefiting the none blacks , because we hardly see any positives from the black Kenyan populace , all we see is the increase of their slums and starvation. Nigeria with our coup and wars , we are dominate everything in our country unlike you loud mouths who think degrading trying Africans will somehow elevate you to something you are not. No wonder you once said your dream is to be like whites lol. That alone made me suspicious about you and your intention here , i doubt any self respecting black man would say that. We can only take you serious when you end starvation , poverty , diseases , non- black economic domination, and produce a better middle class and rich people who are mainly black. For now, you are some pained oppressed blacks who want to drag others down to your hopeless level. Move over and let the real owners of kenya talk . Yes , you admire anything that has white involvement we know . Just like some Europeans take Kenya tourism and development because serious, because they can see the obvious British domination and leadership . Give those British pigs less power over your economy and let's see how fast Kenya ratings will go down , we all know how it works . The more whites get more food than the locals, the better the country is perceived. South Africa is not favourably because they are changing that , Kenya is the new love child , and guess what the slums will continue to grow for the indigenes and the foreigners wi be getting richer .

As Nigerian lead in noisy polluting generators - Kenya leads in cleaner solar
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/economy/Kenya-tops-global-uptake-of-solar-lanterns-with-Sh4bn-orders/3946234-4862926-ebl347/index.html

You're obtuse. Nothing surprising. You're a Nigerian. Yes South Africa had schools & universities that produced the Zumas & Malemas. They had universities nobody outside South Africa had ever heard. Meanwhile whites had world class schools & universities like University of CapeTown & Witwatersrand churning world class thinkers like Tesl's Elon Musk or Mark Richard Shuttleworth or many Nobel laureates. That is more potent point - being literate - reading & writing is hardly something to sweat about it. You're literate but still as boneheaded as a rock. Where are black Elon Musk of South Africa. They need to fix that. It like African American being proud of their black community college nobody has ever heard of. Otherwise I have nothing but admiration for South Africa level of development.

Runalong333:
Kikikiki , my guy what is all this rambling about?. You guys claimed you had more literate people than South Africa, I asked why you are ranked below that and you are yet to explain. You said they only got education in the 90s and 2000s and I provided evidence to refute that and also that some did recieve education in the top universities in south Africa and outside , I'm still yet to get my answer there . And I asked you where you thought they got their lawyers, doctors , accountants etc from without any university degrees or diplomas , the answer ?. All I'm seeing is what you did good from 1963 and they are struggling with from 1994 . Please , also tackle the other questions about Kenya before jumping around like a dog on heat once more.

Splitting hairs. Why do we have to go back to 90s when we have latest data? South Africa has it's own serious issues that they have to confront - and one of that - is an education system that just don't work for the majority (esp BLACKS). They need to start by fixing the teaching force...I don't remember the figures..but when given primary school test...only Kenya teachers scored around 91-95% (about the same as Singapore kids)...but other African teachers scored as low as 70-80% - and those are teachers who should have scored 100%. South Africa should well be on it's way to ensure every primary school teacher has a degree. I mean developed countries which is where south africa need to be --- invest heavily in such stuff -- some like Finland have teacher acquiring master degrees before they teach even kindergaten kids - the sector is heavily regulated and well paying.

Long and short. South Africa has very low quality system of education. Why it got there is a mostly useless debate - it's there now.South Africa need tough love. Just like Kenya has it's VERY MANY ISSUES. We are faar behind south africa in nearly everything...and maybe this is preposterous . until 2030 - which is when we promised Azanians to have this kind of debate.

Runalong333:
Hahahaha you are now resorting to victimhood ? . Dude stop repeating what even people in Asia, and some remote villages in Europe know , you are becoming pathetic.

You are talking about what they spend recently, my original post was about blacks being illiterate before the 90s and 2000s. Can you go back to it and kindly answer all the questions including those about Kenya lol.

You're incorrigible Nigerian as usual. I long explained why South Africa had issues with it's education by tracing it's root to the unfair apartheid that ensured White & Asian kids got world class education. Then you turn around to challenge that assertion and when presented with facts - you go back and claim I was being unfair to South Africa.

You see when Nigerian education & human capital is ranked as worse as Niger & Chad you don't have to look for evidence - just go through this forum - and you'll find overwhelming evidence that you fail in basic English Comprehension, Logic and sound argumentation.

Runalong333:
As you should, South Africa is a recovering country busy with restructuring , you on the other hand are a much more matured democracy which should go with better education and less political instability . You sound like losers right now , feeling all powerful competing against the younger guy still finding his feet lol. You have not addressed my questions, you are just jumping up and down like a chicken high on it's faeces lol.

You're now arguing like a typical Nigerian thug - South Africa is way richer country - it spend about 3-4 times what we spend on education - I think they easily spend nearly 15B dollars on it's education - we spend like 4-5 dollars on our education.

South Africa should be competing with other middle income countries..not Kenya (a lower middle income country).

And when it come to education - outside enrollment - Kenya beat South Africa like a drum - which is why Nairobi is competing with Joburg for multinationals. It shouldn't be this way.

South Africa majority black got a raw deal until recently. That is just an historical fact. They had education system maybe worse if not equal to kenya (which still would be worse).

Runalong333:
Kenya should be waaay ahead of South Africa because like you said earlier, the black people over there received a raw deal . So why are you then now competing with them and not fairing better , taking into account that you had all the time to fix your education and everything else from 1963 vs their 1994 case . I actually think you ought to be ashamed of yourselves than chest beat.

According to latest The Global Competitiveness Report 2017 South Africa's Quality of Education is as bad as Nigeria (ranked 114 against 118) against Kenya's ranked 28!!

According to PISA like test done in Southern Countries - for some 10 yrs now - Kenya & Mauritus beat South Africa like a yoruba drum.

According to Human Capital ranking - Kenya sit on top of Sub Sahara Africa like a Igbo man on top of his palm tree.

Runalong333:
Mr man stop telling us about how worse apartheid was for black South Africans , we already know this . Tackle the points I raised and provide links like you provide links to everything. Stop trying to escape your earlier assertions .

I think South Africa need to fix their education - they seem to be competing with a way poorer kenya - at least according to GEF 2017-2018
1) South Africa
2) Kenya
3) Nigeria - the laggards
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2017-2018/05FullReport/TheGlobalCompetitivenessReport2017%E2%80%932018.pdf

I think you're trying to underplay the role of Apertheid on black education. Whites & Asians got world class education while blacks got a raw deal.SA’s education system is rated 134th out of 138 in the WEF’s 2016-17 Global Competitiveness Report.

Below is South Africa 2017-2018 ranking according to WEF Global Competitiveness report.

Runalong333:
Not to jump in to arguments that don't concern me but , is South Africa not more highly ranked than Kenya in almost all literacy rankings ?. The other poster posted about UNESCO, so I'm not understanding .

I also saw a post by Rvp2018 stating that black South Africans only got formal education in the 90s and 2000s, and i beg to differ. When i arrived in south Africa there were a lot of educated people, remember they had black colleges and universities as well. And some did attend the white dominated ones.

University of Bophuthatswana
University of Vista
University of Venda
Medical university of South Africa
University of Transkei
University of Fort Hare

These are the ones I read about and some training colleges for teachers , nurses and other related professions .
I think some of the names have been changed though with all the mergers that have taken place , lionesssza6 can do an update .

How do you think they were able to have law firms, doctors , accountants and independent consultants, if there had no formal education? . Or are you saying these universities and colleges were ghost houses , again I'm not understanding ?.

What was the percentage of both literate and educated Kenyans at independence ?. In Naija we had only one university with about two thousand graduates .

Another curious matter , how many white people did you have to chase out in Kenya?. What weapons did you use and who made them ? . Did the British have nuclear weapons in Kenya or were they only fighting with normal weaponry ?. How many settlers did Kenyetta give land to ? Was it paid for? And did he give them this land after they received their compensation like the rest ?how were the ones left behind chosen ?.

You're jumping all over - quoting data from different sources and methodologies. I gave you 2018 latest revenue data from the dominant players...MTN Nigeria and Kenya's Safaricom. Kenya telcom sector as of now is Safaricom 65% - and rest 35% (Airtel, Safaricom, Equitel & Jamii(internet only) & other small players). Safcom first half of 2018 boast of 1.2B dollars...MTN Nigeria (who have 40% or around telcom market) got 1.6B dollars.

forgiveness:
Lying Kenyan.

In 2016, Kenya's telecom industry contributed approximately $1.8b to Kenya's GDP against $9.6b Nigeria generated in 2016. That is 8 times what Kenya generated in 2016.

$1.8b from Safaricom (largest telecom with 80% market share) and $169.2m dollars from Airtel Kenyan (second largest telecom market with12% market). (See snapshot 1 & 2).

What will the remaining 8% generate? $3b dollars? Clown!

Nothing more than $100m dollars. Bhuhahahaha!

Meanwhile, Telecom industry already contributed $9.68b dollars to Nigeria's GDP in. (See Snapshot 3)

In 2017, Safaricom revenue was just $2b which was 71% of the total revenue all the telecom companies generated in 2017. (See snapshot 4)

While that of the second largest telecom in Kenya Airtel with 16% market share revenue dipped to $167.59m dollars IN 2017 from $169.2m dollars in 2016. (See snapshot 3)

Where did the extra $2b dollars come from? Is it from the third and other unprofitable telecom in Kenya? Bhuhahahaha!

Kenya's telecom industry revenue in 2017 was just $2.1b dollars. Bhuhahahaha!

MTN Nigeria with just 36% share market in Nigeria's telecom made $2.4b dollars. Bhuhahahaha!

Dude! You can lie to your fellow Kenyans not me.

According to Cytonn's The Kenya Retail Sector Report 2018 Kenya a total mall space supply of 15.3 million square feet, against a demand of 14.1 million square feet, resulting in an oversupply of 1.2 million square feet. Nairobi, Eldoret, Kisumu and Nakuru are oversupplied by 2.0 million, 0.3 million, 0.2 million and 0.1 million square feet, respectively.

https://cytonn.com/uploads/downloads/cytonn-retail-report-2018-vff.pdf

I guess that roughly translate to 1.5M square meters..with Nairobi accounting for a 3rd of them...still a far cry from South Africa 23 M square meters!!!


The construction & real estate boom in Kenya the last few years - as seen it rise to become 2nd biggest sector of our GDP - at nearly 15%

Not with our solid and stable macro-economic. Kshs has been Africa most stable currency for more than two decades...and has deprciated the least...other Africa currencies just can't seem to handle the dollar...Naira basically crashed in 2016..RAND has faced lots of headway...and so has the Birr.

darfay:
Who asked for your approval..... In other news Ethiopia is now the largest and fastest growing economy in East Africa, followed by Tz, no hope for you guys

Kenya real estate sector - for 2016 - lot of activity - Nigeria - only the single tower of Eko City & World trade center of Abuja completed
Kenya
Retail - 100,000 sq m of retail added in 2016 - up from 50,000 in 2015
Office - 300,000 sq m of commercial space - up from the average of 150,000 in previous years

Nigera - absolutely nothing going on except in one tower Eko City -

Real estate - Sub Sahara Retail sector outside South Africa - Lagos is below even Kampala .

Nairobi is obviously on another level outside RSA.

Real estate - Knight & Frank 2017 Africa report

1) RETAIL SECTOR:

South Africa is by far the largest and
most mature retail market in the SubSaharan
region, with approximately 23
million sq m of shopping centre floor
space, compared with only about 3
million sq m in the whole of the rest of
Sub-Saharan Africa. The South African
market continued to grow in 2016,
most notably through the completion
of Atterbury’s 131,000 sq m Mall of
Africa, the largest single-phase mall
development ever in Sub-Saharan Africa.
Outside of South Africa, the Kenyan
capital Nairobi has the greatest volume
of modern retail floor space in SubSaharan
Africa, and it continues to be a
development hotspot . The city saw the
completion of the first phase of Actis’
Garden City Mall (33,500 sq m) in 2015,
followed by the opening of The Hub
(30,000 sq m) in the affluent suburb of
Karen in 2016. The 67,000 sq m Two
Rivers Mall, which is now the largest in
Kenya, opened in February 2017.

WestLion? What hell is that. If you want to find REAL ESTATE data - You need to start from looking at what the likes of Knight & Frank are saying. Knight & Frank is one world largest real estate agency. Find their Africa reports and we can discuss how shitty looking Nigeria cities have any real estate worth talking about.

Here is there 2017 report https://content.knightfrank.com/research/155/documents/en/africa-report-201718-4576.pdf

It appears not much is happening in your cities - there is an over-supply in economically stressed nation - waiting for the next oil boom.

forgiveness:
Still in the Service sector.

Nigeria is ahead of Kenya in Real Estate and Franchise industries.


Real Estate.

1. Nigeria is among the top 5 Real Estate investment destination in Africa as at 2017. Kenya is nowhere to be found on the list. (See snapshot 1)

2. Nigeria is the most attractive of the top 5 countries that offers the greatest investment opportunity in Africa. Nigeria two cities of Lagos and Abuja are 3rd and 4th the most expensive retail market space in Africa. (See snapshot 2) Nairobi Kenyan city came distant 8th. (see snapshot 3)

When did you defeat kenya? You've shown to be at best twice kenya when you've got 4 times the population & twice the land size. Your GDP is officially 4 times Kenya (a fat lie). Again when it come to comparing agricultural production - I want to see you level kenya but at least being 4 times as better.

Let recap - your telcom sector with 140-160M users can only at best generator 8.5B dollars! Ours with at best 45M subscribers generate about 4B dollars. We did the same for banking...our total banking asset is 40B dollars compared to yours about 90B. You get the drift!

When you look at South Africa level - which is where you should be comparing yourself if indeed your GDP was that big - you are faar behind.

68816419:
As we have defeated Kenyans in tourism, ICT, service sectors, sports, entertainment, economy, banking and finance , infrastructure..
Can we now compare Nigeria vs kenya in agricultural production ? hahaha
Maize
Rice
Beans
soya beans
yam
casava
cocoa
Millet
onions
tomatoes
and other agricultural produces ..
fish production
Meat production?

You've got to respect Kenya education standards. I have been to many Kenya online forums - when they were the in-thing - somewhere in 2000s - about 15yrs -Mashadas - and I can tell you I never met Kenyans who were so boneheaded like these guys.I have passed by TZ forum(jamii) - they at least hide behind swahili - which I find so hard to read. You can imagine this guy [forgiveness] is probably the best they've got just like KaziKazi is leading light of Danganyika.

Jonraid:
I think you settled this with rvp2018. And the clear winner was seen.But your brains have always been small to pick whose ahead of the other.We ranked higher at 25 in retail,higher than you.We showed you how your telecom sector isn't really making the money commensurate with it's population and even GDP.In the banking sector,your bank assets don't just seem to match that big good for nothing GDP.Our numbers are really solid per capita wise.This is our point.Take it or leave it.It seems Yemi Kale has really done your heads that your thinking has been limited.You just don't see the broad scope of things.When Kenya has 3 x,Nigeria with that GDP and population shouldn't be having 4x or 5x but rather 9x or slightly more! We are talking of a 350 billion GDP that should be showing more not slightly less to Kenya or worse!

Those are just facts. Zimbwabwe were historically some of most educated Africans. That is difference btw South Africans black and Zims. Zims are still upto now generally better educated. But that didn't stop them from going down.I think I should add your inability and dithering with HIV - as another head-wind - and one more reason why Kenya will possibly overtake you soon.

This land seizure with compensation is bad news. It would be such a shame to see you go Zim way. We want to beat a strong South Africa.

Lionessza6:
Hahahaha , here we go again. How many of the people in south African leadership are not well educated ? . What is the percentage of the populace that is illiterate and uneducated compared to black Kenyans?. We need to invest on education? . Check how much we spend on education and check yours as well , and let's see who needs to do more.

Lol, I said good luck with overtaking us , I'm guessing that will be happening in like 2 years or so now . Quote me when that finally happens . Kenya and South Africa are too different what you claim worked out for you, we just don't see it ever working here .

So the Kenyans who are living under extreme poverty are only those living in semi- arid regions ? Really?




Reading the article below, I really don't like this kind of solution .


Kenya’s Attorney General told the International Criminal Court in July this year that there were no records to indicate that President Uhuru Kenyatta owned any land in the country, his comments offered a reflection of the mysterious nature of landownership in Kenya.

It is well known that the family of Kenya’s First President, Jomo Kenyatta, father to the current President, owns large tracts of the most productive land particularly in Central Kenya and at the Coast. Forbes Magazine placed the total land owned by Kenyatta and his family at 500,000 acres of prime land spread across the country.

A survey 2014 found that 50% of Kenya’s wealth is in the hands of political families, with the ownership of land providing the core of this wealth.

The skewed ownership of land is dire in a country where only 17% of the land is arable, with the rest mostly arid and semi arid. The Kenya Land Alliance says that more than 65% of this productive land in Kenya is in the hands of only 20% of the population.

The chaotic nature of land records in Kenya obviously suits the political and business elite who would like to maintain secrecy over their ownership of the country’s land. In recent audit, The Lands Ministry discovered that 1.3 million files were lost, misplaced or misfiled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ComOUAPFYDo

Any hope that the enactment of new laws would solve what Kenyans have come to call the “land question” has been replaced by disappointment, even frustration by the lack of progress and constant finger pointing amongst those entrusted with the job of cleaning up the mess that goes back to the country’s colonial period.

Land is an emotive issue in Kenya. The fight for independence was based on the struggle to revert ownership of land from the colonialists back to the Africans. Vast arable land in the Rift Valley was designated as the White Highlands, reserved for European settlers while the indigenous communities were moved out.

The authority to allocate Crown Land was vested in the colonial Governor and he issued grants of leases for 999 years to the European settler community. It is the same allocation by direct grant that facilitated the irregular allocation of pubic land after Independence.

In 1963 a total of 7.5 million acres or half of the agricultural land in Kenya was in settler hands, with individual farmers like Lord Delamere reported to possess as much as 1 million acres. The Africanization of the White Highlands, areas previously reserved for European settlement, was carried out through the Million-Acre Scheme funded by the British government and the World Bank, to facilitate the orderly transfer of ownership of farms owned by settlers who wanted to leave after independence. The new African political class and home guards that had made fortunes by collaborating with the colonial government bought thousands of acres from the departing Europeans denying the majority of Kenyans the right to own land.

The President widely abused his powers as trustee of public land to become a large landowner himself. The illegal allocation of land by the first Kenyatta and Moi governments is well documented in a report of the Commission of Inquiry into the Illegal/Irregular Allocation of Public Land popularly known as the Ndungu Report.

Lawyer Paul Ndungu, who released the report in December 2004, reveals the extent to which land was targeted as a tool for political patronage particularly in 1990s. During this period when the international scrutiny was focused on economic and political reform, land acquired particular significance as a bargaining tool for the political class desperate to hang on to power amid the turbulence of multiparty politics. No land was spared during this spree of allocations of public land, which came to be known as “Land grabbing”. Even protected lands as forests, wetlands, road reserves and even cemeteries were dished out as political reward.

On the Coast, beach plots on the Indian Ocean coastline were issued in the 1970s and 80s to political and business elites from outside the region. The land grabbing by the elite has rendered millions of coastal people landless or squatters in their own land.

4th right: Lord Dalamere, the 3rd Baron Delamere, in 1926. The Happy Valley set was a group of British and Anglo-Irish aristocrats and adventurers who settled in the Happy Valley region of the Wanjohi Valley, near the Aberdare mountain range, in the colonies of Kenya and Uganda between the 1920s and the 1940s. More than 50 years after independence there is still a significant amount of prime Kenyan land in foreign hands.
4th right: Lord Dalamere, the 3rd Baron Delamere, in 1926. The Happy Valley set was a group of British and Anglo-Irish aristocrats and adventurers who settled in the Happy Valley region of the Wanjohi Valley, near the Aberdare mountain range, in the colonies of Kenya and Uganda between the 1920s and the 1940s. More than 50 years after independence there is still a significant amount of prime Kenyan land in foreign hands.
Foreign ownership

The 2010 constitution prevents foreigners from owning land and also reduces the period for which foreigners can lease land. But as Kenyans have come to find out implementing these provisions are complicated by the ambiguous nature of the law and deliberate moves by the political and landed class to frustrate the process. More than 50 years after independence, there is still a significant amount of prime land in foreign hands, especially in the coastal region and new regulations may finally reveal just how much of this land owned by non Kenyans.

The National Land Commission has found itself in a muddle in its attempts to regularize land ownership by demanding that all foreign landowners align their leases with the provisions of the Constitution. One of the tasks of the Commission is to ensure that all the 999-year leases instituted during the colonial period are converted into shorter leases of 99 years. Establishing who a foreign landowner is remains a challenge because many such people own property in the country jointly with Kenyans. The new law also allows dual citizenship further confusing an already murky situation.

While the new law has safeguards against the secret allocation of public land by public officials, it has created what land policy analyst Ibrahim Mwathane calls a “mongrel”. The National Land Commission has the mandate to manage public land on behalf of national and county governments while the Minister still retains power over the registers of all public, private and community land in Kenya. The audit of all stolen public land can only be done effectively by whoever runs the land registries, in this case, the Minister.

I used your source and factored the population of each country. Base insult is no substitute for facts. We are here to school you pro-bono as our duty to the poor Giant mess of Africa.

forgiveness:
Where is your source? I forgot, it's from your anus. Bhuhahahaha!

Next!

Kenya trashed Nigeria in retail sector per capita as per 2017 figures. Is that how your country ended being such a mess - by comparing itself with tiny Ghana.

forgiveness:
Nigeria trashed Kenya in Retail sector which comprises FMCG. EOD

Interesting. I'll check the data. To reach to kenya level - you have to be 4 times BETTER OR BIGGER OR LARGER etc. To TRASH kenya then you've got be 5 times or more - just like South Africa trashes kenya.

For example if Kenya has 28B - you need to have about 140-150B - to just be on the same level. To trash Kenya - you need to be at 200B plus.

Kindly find us the South Africa figures. I am pretty sure they trashed us.

I know such basic concepts are very complex for Nigerians who got possibly the worst education (another service sector).

forgiveness:
We are still in the retail sector.

GRDI ranked Nigeria 27th in the world in retail development in 2017. Drops from 19th in 2016. Yet Nigeria's total retail sales was $109b dollars in 2017 against $125b dollars in 2016. (See snapshot 1)

Though, Kenya's GRDI ranking was 25th in 2017 but it's total retail sales is just $28b dollars which is almost 4 times lesser than Nigeria's total retail sales in 2017. Bhuhahahaha! (See snapshot 2)

As you can see the 3rd snapshot, Nigeria has trashed Kenya in all the service sector listed. We shall move to Real Estate.

You actually piqued my interest on matters South Africa and it appears you're going ahead with constitutional amendment to allow gov to forcefully take land without ANY compensation. I guess Malema madness has infected the whole country and now you're throwing both reason & caution out of the window. When you do that and actually start targetting white owned farms & mines - we won't have to wait for 15yrs - I think you'll go the Zim way so fast. But it appears there are no brakes now.

The problem with South Africa - is that black leadership & populace - general got a historical bad deal in critical sectors including education - so it expect the country will wobble along until it really invest in black education.

You probably should have studied kenya case...which faced similar challenges but was generally a success. White farmers inflated the cost but we paid anyway - but Britain donated part of the purchase money,

This was the situation as we gained independence.

The White Highlands for the settlers was
equivalent to three Million hectares of
which over have was high potential arable
land suitable for cash crop farming –
coffee, tea and sugar plantations. The rest
was suited for large scale livestock
farming and other purposes. There were
over 3600 farms and land holding sizes
ranged from 400 to over 800 hectares
although in the pastoral half one could
find holdings of more than 20,000
hectares. Estimates show that the White
Highlands constituted about 21,000 of
Kenya’s 356,000 square-kilometre area
(Leo, 1989) or about six percent of Kenya’s
land. This was not small considering that
68 per cent of Kenya’s land is remote and
unsuited for farming. This implies
therefore that the Highlands – or 3600
farms and by implication families -
occupied six per cent of the remaining 32
% of arable land. The remaining 26 per
cent of the land was shared by about six
million Africans.

And the solution - One Million Acre Scheme - This was funded by loan and grants from World Bank, British and Germans. The white farmers were paid whatever they were asking (lot of money) and new farmers were expected to pay the loan back after many years.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/RPDLPROGRAM/Resources/459596-1168010635604/WBI-KenyaLandReform-WorkshopVersion.pdf

South Africa seem to have chosen the Zimbwabwe way - LAND SEIZURE through constitution - which would still send investors and farmers fleeing - and sanctions possibly coming from Trump for sure.

As regard to our poverty - just know - nobody living in former white highlands has starve or be hungry - the guys starving are living in semi arid and arid areas that whites didn't too settled on.

Lionessza6:
Condescending and defensive , i guess we both chose to see our posts how we wanted .

I don't know how repeating what I already touched on with regards to growth ( particularly in Agriculture ) shows us how unprepared we are?. I told you there are plans on how the sector will be revived , obviously you can't expect to have that particular sector flourish when it's the most affected by this decision. With regards to bringing in whites to the country , what do you mean by that ?. South Africa is trading less and less with the West and more with East , we have been strengthing our relationships not only with the other countries in BRICS but other Asian and Middle East countries. Well We will have to brace ourselves for the trump "attack " and see how well we can withstand the Tsunami .

You payed them ? . Good for you, but did the poor people you gave the lands to ( If you did,) not sell them back for peanuts?. How did the British got to be so involved in your agricultural sector again?. Lol@ you advising to be sly like you, I guess we will have to take our own chances and be less- sly about it . If we were convinced the Kenyan route was really favourable for the populace , I'm sure it would have been one of the countries looked at closely , but we just don't see it as something to emulate as we don't see any favourable results for the day to day Kenyan. It's been over 50 years since you " kicked out" the brits , so I think by now you should be the ones majorly using the land for manufacturing , etc than the people who benefited before you, but that doesn't seem to be the case but you can cure my ignorance if I'm wrong , perhaps you first had to settle the loans before attending to the major issues of the previously disadvantaged?

Well I'm always keen on reading up on such issues especially coming from the indigenes , I'm referring to the poverty in Kenya . If you can , please do the needful because I find it really interesting. Well I also wish you the best of luck in your quest to be a bigger economy than us in 15 years .

Sound like a lame excuse - all currency devalued to the dollar (Kshs was 78 then shoot to 100sh) - obviously if we use the real black market exchange rate for Naira - which is what you real get - not CBN rate - then you'll be worse off.

Your overvalued currency is still not done with beating - real rate is something 400 naira plus. Just wait for oil price to drop.

forgiveness:
Nigeria bank assets before devaluation of currency would be twice of $95b dollars. So if you talk about 2016, Kenya's bank don't stand a chance.

Yesterday it was 39B - today it's 38B. 2016 our banking asset were 4.1 trillion Kshs - which google convert to 39.9B dollars..round it off to 40B.
Yours is 34B - which round off come to 95B dollars - but for 2017. For 2016 you're looking at 87B.

forgiveness:
Are you getting those facts from your anus?

Your banking assets is $38b dollars as at 2016. Stop lying.

Your revenue is on the low.

The links were given. Just click.

Injera is ethiopia staple food - made from tuft or rice - more like bread - with toppings.

Jonraid:
I know a Somali food known as Anjera and yes Injera is a player of Kenya rugby,he's either number one or two in the number of all tries scored in the rugby seven series.I'm yet to know what Injera means! But I'll find it out just for you

Pedestrian analysis; When you find better data of fcmg comparing kenya, south africa and nigeria - be my guest.

forgiveness:
Even if you have hundreds, the revenue of one Nigeria company is more than all the revenue from Kenya's FMCG because the top 10 Africa's average revenue is $1.5b dollars (see snapshot 2)which times two of others below the top 10, and Nigeria has two one the list ( see snapshot 1).

The average revenue is around $600m dollars(see snapshot 2) and that was what your two companies made each. This amounts to just £1.2b dollars. Bhuhahahaha!

Banking Assets.
Don't infect facts. Your banking asset in 2016 were 30 trillion Naira and 2017 34B naira. You're not even 100 B dollars leave alone 150 dollars. Kenya figures for 2016 is 40B dollars. I am yet to find kenya figures for 2017.

Bank profitability; 2B dollars - provide Link.

Insurance - provide LINK.

forgiveness:
Nigeria generated $2b dollars alone from banking sector in 2017.

Nigeria Bank assets is over $150 dollars.


$1b dollars from insurance sector which is still part of financial services.


What did Kenyas banking sector generate? Depts.


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.proshareng.com/news/REVIEWS%2520%26%2520OUTLOOKS/Nigerian-Banks-Sector-Update-For-September-2017--Steadying-The-Ship/36439&ved=2ahUKEwia5cSRu-LeAhVKThoKHQMyDG8QFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2AcrkPI7dZ-yhDvESHbSzJ&cshid=1542699722928


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/07/insurance-industry-gross-premium-income-rises-15-n363bn/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwje9ab_yeLeAhVDlxoKHd_QCToQFjAAegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw0qdfUii-Kvyguw1YbnYfkY&ampcf=1

Precisely. African really need to confront the demons of low inferiority that makes them hate their skin, their noses, their hair, their lips and god knows what else.

ednited:
Your post remind me of the fight that Kenyans and Nigerians had on Twitter, saying one is dark skinned more than the other. . . .

First, we all are Africans, being dark skinned and is our thing. Both of you are dark skinned people.

Secondly, why is it being taken as a problem having dark skin? Who said it is bad?

Here also, you are talking about nose. I see inferiority in your post. You are making Africans inferior here. And then you are talking about how you Kenyans are making Africa rise. It clashes. Before you talk about that, respect who you are and where you came from. Or else, no one will. Because you have a thin and long nose, it doesn't mean you have to go ahead and say some about others? Who even said yours is better?

I just don't know why you broght this up in here. It may be a joke but there are acceptable jokes. Tayser, what happened to you?

I didn't set out to be condescending and I didn't expect you to be defensive. The last four years have been rough for South Africa economy - growing on average at 1-2% when not contracting - and the next four years do not look good either. I am not even sure if you should confront land and mine issues anymore. It appears you're just unprepared - expropriation without compensation!!! - how is that different from Bob's land seizure. I mean your entire agriculture is already less than 5% of the economy. There is a mad man at White house who is pandering to right-wing whites and won't hesitate to add South Africa to his list of causalities - Iran, Turkey, China and everyone along the way...so the timing is wrong and Ramaphosa as politically awkward as he is should not have fallen to Malema rouse. The world tours will not be enough to bring whites to the country. The country has to start re-configuring to China.With regard to unemployment, crime, mining woes linked to Unions and xenophobia - I guess those are already intractable issues but I wish you best luck.

Regarding Kenya - we started with smaller white problem compared to Zim & South Africa - but nevertheless it was huge problem. I think Kenya hosted the largest number of white settlers after the Zim & RSA I think. They occupied maybe 1-2m acres of the most fertile land - and at independence - we send 60,000 white farmers out of their farms - by compensating them.

We took a huge loan from World Bank and Britain - and compensated all white farmers who were "willing" to sell the land. Those who were not so willing were arm-twisted by gov officials and eventually they bailed out. Zim waited for I think free money from Britain to compensate those white farmers and of course that never came. Nobody will give your money to buy a farm - maybe to feed a starving kid.

I think land seizures like Zim or expropriation without compensation will be your death knell. You have to deal with whites farmers with more adeptness - and be as sly as we were - just find "un-official" means to force them to sell the land. If you don't have money to compensate them - take a big loan - to be repaid by farmers. Now where in the world will people accept exportation without compensation even if you clothe it with the entire constitution. It ab initio inhumane, unfair and unacceptable.

Why is Kenya poor with all the land - is a long story - but definitely we've made our small holder farmers very productive - and we are slowly climbing out of the rabbit hole of poverty. After kicking whites our economy grew at 7% for a decade until the global oil crisis and in 80s we just got caught in population explosion as our women gave birth to 10 kids ---and then went through political turmoil of 90s - but definitely since 2003 we've grown our economy nearly 7-8 times (15 yrs) - and hopefully if we do the same in the next 15yrs --- we should talking an economy bigger than yours - unless you deal with issues that are bedeviling you now.

Lionessza6:
LOL, I find it hillarious if not downright condescending that you would think after all the processes undertaken in the country, we have no plans on how the economy is to be revived . Like really ?. We must be the biggest slowpokes to you geniuses from the eastern side lol.

1. Unemployment is a big problem in Africa, even to the countries who "sorted out " their land issues earlier on , together with extreme poverty cases , so South Africa is not alone. Contrary to popular narratives, South Africa is attracting investments , from Asia, Africa and Europe even with the policy uncertainty. The major issues we had with investors were the fears of their investments being affected or their properties seized ( which Ramaphosa has cleared with his world tour), that this is an internal issue that can nolonger be pushed back. Obviously you can't expect us to be most attractive African country at the moment , most potential investors have requested for the process to start and be concluded already so we can open shop again, hence the new rapid pace by our fat leaders. With the unemployment , it has slightly decreased. To reduce the " dependancy " on minerals , we have invested heavily on structures to grow our ocean economy , many jobs will be created , thousands of young people in coastal South Africa are undergoing the necessary training to tap into these new opportunities. Millions are injected in supporting new up and coming black industrialists , as part of the job creation campaign . With the land issue solved, there will be more players in the agricultural sector which is currently struggling due to the obvious. The government has put aside funds that will support the budding farmers and the department of trade and industry is giving nationwide export and import awareness campaigns and training to all those who want to join the sector. Many things are being done to look for alternative solutions incase our mining sector collapses , it's not like this decision was made yesterday . I'm glad you to said rhetoric. Those whitties you mentioned are the ones who are inviting to be attacked so as to create the zim crisis , and no one is falling for it fortunately . If anyone took their propaganda serious, then we would have the world watch- dogs requesting seats at our discussions like before , they are only taken seriously by people who are naive to their ways. How is immigration of African "bottom feeder " as you called them a new issue in south Africa? . We have been deporting unwanted immigrants in south Africa since the mid 90s, and we will continue doing so as long as they have no papers to be here . I don't know how that makes us anti- Africa, every African nation has it's rules and so do we , if you can't follow them, you will be sent back home like it's always been the case. SIMPLE!. Are you guys anti- Africa when you are deporting Nigerians?. Are Nigerians who are deporting people from Niger and Chad anti Africa? Why should we be labelled such when we do the same? . No one said it's going to be a walk in the park , but we are ready to face the challenges ahead. The last part is your opinion . What zimbos ended up doing and what South Africa is doing are completely different things .

Kenya is not going through such challenges , why do you have such a huge unemployment rate , with all the peace and investor friendly climate?. Are you not concerned about the potential of rise in crime with black Kenyan youth, since they are mostly the affected group ?.

Kenya is said to own all it's land since the 60s, what was done to ensure that the lands would; enrich the locals?, would ensure food security ?, the ones not connected to the political elite would not be shortchange and end- up at the periphery of things, like starving to death or running to the cities for food , therefore creating slums and chaos?.

That is classic cherrypicking. The report you're quoting is Deloite analysis of Top 50 LISTED FCMG companies. This is hardly representive of the fmcg sector but nevertheless Kenya had 2 companies. Nigeria had 5. Again per-capita wise - you should have had 8 - to reach Kenya level - or 12 to reach South Africa level.
https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/ke/Documents/consumer-business/ea_APCP_Brochure_Digital.pdf

forgiveness:
Fast moving consumer goods is the next in the service sector.

Two Nigeria's companies are in the top 10 biggest consumers companies in Africa. Kenya is no where to be found. (See snapshot 1 and 2).

Nigeria have 5 companies in the top 50 biggest consumers companies in Africa making them the third in Africa behind South Africa (12) and Morocco (10), but 2nd in terms of revenue generated with 4.48b dollars.(see snapshot 3).

Kenya na small pikin. Bhuhahahaha!