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Interesting take. I guess I am intrigued enough now to dig into Nollywood. My intention was it was rooted and grounded in Igbo witchcraft CHINEKE stories.

Ibrahimanis:
And that is what I am talking about. You think TIFF will screen about 5 Nigerian movies in a year if they are not "sophisticated"?

There are more than 20 acting schools in Lagos alone, del york is even affiliated to New York academy. And you are not allowed into Actors Guild of Nigeria (which is very prestigious) unless you have a certificate in acting from a verified institution.

Most economists have agreed that the nollywood/bollywood model is better for a developing country than SA's model that relies heavily on foreign investment. Produce so much shitty movies, get attention, develop local talent and as time goes, audience will weed out the bad ones just like its happening now in both Nollywood/Bollywood.

Nollywood is self run, it has been has been growing steadily over the years in terms of quality, 2016 (when Nigeria was in recession) was one of the most successful year for Nollywood.

And I am still curious. What's the highest grossing Kenyan movie?

They don't make enough money - and that is probably not their intention - their intention is to win international awards, get recognition and get
big roles. Nigeria shitty movies are not making enough money either.

I don't see them making money maybe until 2030. I mean serious money. Not 1M dollars.

68816419:
and how about other movies ? can you list them please?

That is why they are called slums - 15 nigerians can live in one room house. Do you need evidence? - They sleep in turns So you can imagine 65,000 nigerians in Nairobi divide 15 - they probably have rented only 5,000 on-room units This is how nearly 2/3 of Nairobi manage to live in Eastland of Nairobi - squeezing themselves so they can afford rent.

95% of Nairobi is not a slum. But you got 5% of land mass holding maybe 20-30% - we will find out in Census next year.

Btw if you rent a house in best neighberhood and you live 15 people in one house - that automatically makes it a SLUM. 1 bedroom house is max meant for 1 couples- not 10 Nigerians or Somalis & their girlfriends.

68816419:
and yet every sources put the percentage of slums dweller at above 60%?

Find out using goolge how much Lupita made from Black Panter.

Ibrahimanis:
250m dollars in her career so far?
My question is how much per year?

We are going in cycle. We started right there in sophistication.I won't have brought this up if this was about QUanity of shitload of bad movies you unleash every day. I told you - we have had like 5 movies recently getting nominated to OSCARS.

Btw how is you acting industry. I get a sense your actors probably never went to any acting class. They just arm themselves with cameras and shot! Nothing professional - just the commonfolk stories with predictable story lines.

In kenya we have very good drama and acting through out the schools systems - and that quality will eventually come out - it hard of course to compete with Hollywood - but Kenya is likely to go South Africa way - that Nollywood/BollyWood.

Ibrahimanis:
So my excuses are lame.

Those are not excuses by the way, they are explanation.

Kenyan film industry is more sophisticated than Nollywood , I laugh in Swahili, come back when you can boast of an artist like Hakeem effect (BBC featured him by the way), come back when your "sophisticated' movies can be screened internationally on yearly basis, come back when a your movie can gross higher than Nollywood's, Come back when foreign actors/actresses from Africa started featuring in your movies.

The Judge allowed them temporary injunction of 7 weeks as the case of their banning continues.The screening was to allow it's nomination to the Oscars. So they have only screened for 1 week. If they win the case against the Kenya Film Censorship board - they will be allowed to screen forever - and we can see how much they'll make. But so far they have broken all records (probably including Nigeria) for one week of screening.

68816419:
well,we are still the best in Africa, how much has rafiki generated so far and can you provide gross profits of Kenyans movies if at all they exist ?, i tried watching Kenyans movies on you-tube but i found VLOG videos far more advanced that it

What is developed to you. Central business district. Nairobi has 15 of those. If you're talking residential estates - hundrends of thoses. I am just telling the NON-SLUM areas of Nairobi are 95%. I didn't do the calculation but credible orginization have done them.

68816419:
Man, i hv proven to you that your developed parts are just stone throw away from each others(westland and upper hill and less thand 3KM Apart from each other) , and that lagos,abuja,PH,Enugu ... developments spreads across all areas (distance between ikeja,VI,Apapa,Vestac,Lekki, Lagos island,Oshodi are far apart from each other), i have shown you with facts that Kenya have the worst,highest numbered slums areas in "World", i have also shown you that your developed parts " CBD,WESTLAND,UPPERHILL,KAREN... Have one thing in common "white,Politicians,Indians" dominance and that majority of your population have no options of residence than Slums(Kibera,Matare....).

People actually pay to watch Nollywood movies. I mean Kenya is not yet there - but it's already more sophisticated than Nigeria film industry. Quantity is not Quality. Rafiki was banned and was watched for few days during injunction. It certainly has won more international awards and acclaim - and when the money start flowing - for kenyan movies - it will be something.

Now nollyhood - highest movies has crossed 1.5M dollars!!! and you've produced like 1M movies.

Rafiki made 33K dollars in a week it was allowed by court to be screened

68816419:
Kenya of all places? and how comes Nigeria movies industry is the second largest movies industry in the world behind Bollywood and our worst films generated more profit than your best films?
never for once knw Kenyans produces movies, i only know of Tanzanians film industry.

How about just you quit being a nigerian for a moment - who just has lame excuses for anything- and admit - good writing and acting skills in South Africa - perhaps right from schools to universities. And you work towards improving that by if necessary importing script writters, directors and actors.

Ibrahimanis:
On the issue of South Africa, while it's not in doubt it has enjoyed more financial success than nollywood films, but that's because most of it's highest grossing movies are either a collaboration with New Zealand, US, UK or stars Hollywood actors. That's one of the reason nollywood is praised, it's completely indigenous! And you have to go far back as 2009 to find the highest grossing SA film while the top 20 highest grossing nollywood films are from 2010 to present, each year setting a new record.

Why are all those movies not winning award. Maybe you got a image problem because for goodness sake I will never watch those movies - I might google them now that you say. I definitely watch south african movies.

As for 200m or 500m naira. Convert to dollars first....see is that like 500K usd - or 1M usd for Wedding (must be Yoruba movie).

Lupita I have read has earn close to 250M dollars from her career so far.

Ibrahimanis:
I know nollywood is growing too fast but Please try to keep up,

The days of witchcraft and voodoo are "almost gone" 2010 to 2018 has been a tremendous success story for nollywood. Check out, Arbitration, the CEO, 76, October 1st, half a yellow sun, 93 days, if I am president e.t.c (non of them are comedy)

Really, how much does lupita gross per year then?

King of Boys was released this October and it already grossed 200mil naira (and it's still running) it has a rating of 9.2/10 by Imdb, the highest by a nollywood movie. And it's still not the highest grossing Nigerian movie. That honour goes to the wedding party, grossed 500mil naira in Nigeria alone, theatrical screening, DVD sales and online streaming outside Nigeria are not included. Take that Kenya!

You percentage are wrong. Try 95% good with 5% shitty looking like Nigeria. As for white and black. They left kenya in 1963 (or you think we kept them secretly after fighting for independence ). That clearly is lame excuse. You got OIL - you've earned more than 600B dollars. We got nothing. But we have built now 6 modern cities - and several towns. All that from selling coffee beans, tea leaves and letting whites people come watch our animals for a small fee.

68816419:
STOP DECEIVING your selves, Even Niger republic, Somalia and poor countries have nice places as well. our issues with you Kenyans is that, you celebrate just 2% of your developed parts(reasons why you kept recycling same pics )while leaving the rest to rot, we all knw that Nairobi cbd has long been developed by the Europeans master and that Kenyans can not built any new city from scratch, evidence been Tatu ,konza cities

None of those are Nigerians. Chiwetel Umeadi Ejiofor CBE is an English actor - his parents Nigerian(but they don't act ). I don't have to go thro the list of the other unkowns. Lupita is a kenyan brought up here, with home here, studied here and went for university at Yale. She acted locally before going big. Our films are breeding grounds for word class acting. We are 2nd to South Africa. Nigeria you produce shit witchraft movies nobody serious watches. Chiwetel Umeadi Ejiofor would be found dead acting in Igbo witchcraft movie

68816419:
same way David Oyelowo, “Chiwetel” Ejiofor, Hakeem Kae-Kazim and many other Nigerians in Hollywood generates more income than your dead country

You need to develop the industry beyond witchcraft. I mean you got huge stories in Niger Delta, Boko haram, Fulani herdsmen killing farmers, and all you do is witchcraft, love potion and all sort of vodooo & juju.

Making a movie or a film should start with writing a serious script - not just arming yourself with cheap camera and tripod - and you go shooting total shitty skits - and claim we got HIGHEST AMOUNT OF SHITMOVIES -after bollywood.

The last few years these are some kenya films considered for Oscars.
Nairobi Half Life - Lupita was star actor before she got discovered by Hollywood. Lupita is probably crossing more money per yr than entire Nollywood
Kati Kati,
Supa Mode
Watu Wote
This year Rafiki (a lesbian move) has won many international awards.

South Africa obviously another story for another decade

Ibrahimanis:
Both of them short films

Good luck though, y'all can keep winning Oscars, we will keep developing our nollywood.

Nigeria are good only in acting witchcraft movies. Looking at the Oscars....and South Africa dominate - with kenya featuring twice - Lupita Nyongo winning the Actresses in supporting role and Mark People winning in 1970s for The Last Emperor.

No Nigeria has ever come close. Local movies - at least nearly every year a kenyan movie is nowadays in serious contention for oscars's foreign movies

As of 2018 - it the same story - Kenya and South Africa films dominate nomination for OSCARS. This year Kenya's Watu Wote was nominated.

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/watch-kenyan-and-south-african-films-nominated-for-the-oscars

Where are the dark beauties. This is Africa the last time I checked. This is another big Nigeria disease...where a black nation is obsessed with light skin.

No BLACK or dark skin HAUSA girls now. Kenya actresses Patricia Kihoro.
https://www.ghafla.com/ke/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/04/Jason_022.png

genieluv:
Celebrities are not even supposed to be used in judging the looks of a population, because actors and actresses for instance can clearly be selected based on looks.

***** However, if that is what you want, you can check for Kannywood (Hausa language movie actresses).

Rahama Sadau
Fadilah Muhammed Gubbi
Hafsat Idris
Hadiza Aliyu Gabon

If a South Africa made that claim - we will coil our tails, fold camp and move on. But a Naija man.

Don't be pained man! Be encouraged and as consolation our biggest natural resource the last 100yrs was salt . So yeah we didn't get diamond, gold, copper, oil, natural gas,uranium, cobalt and even DIRTY coal. We got a raw deal with Ethiopeans. But look behold we got the BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And we got the tenacity & indomitable spirit to ran marathons all over the world and win them.

This is not crap.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4299015_tapatalk1473779986348_jpeg_jpeg8a3aa6b83c5d9e45bf56a7b0a93859b4
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Nairobi_South.jpg

jaycent:
All your cities are crap, including you kenyans everything about Kenya is a shitthol

Nairobi most iconic building - the KICC - built in 1970s to mimic a full erect donkey johnny.Lagos don't try Nairobi - it got a giant johnny! It has rotating helipad and watch tower. You can see people there dancing to Nigeria afrobeats.
https://www.jamiiforums.com/mobile-gallery/1f2bed978a6c41bc68ebd5cccf2d5f6f.jpg

Nairobi has slums - but it not a slumpolis like your cities. Get the difference. You have slums with nice parts.
Nairobi South/West - you can see the small airport for domestic flight (wilson) and the national park. These are Nairobi middle class areas.
https://www.jamiiforums.com/mobile-gallery/958f5303d3a936ba95658541db22b134.jpg

jaycent:
We also have place like this in Onitsha don't get me wrong Buddy. Onitsha is now developed

Onitisha - those are slumpolis. Nairobi Eastland include estates like Nyayo and the international Airport(JKIA) - and it's POOREST district of Nairobi. If you wondering where the slums are - they are in nooks and cranies - hidden in valleys.

This is Nairobi Eastland - the poorest of Nairobi.

You can see JKIA - our main airport - in that picture of Eastland

jaycent:
We also have place like this in Nigera. Which is Onitsha

Nairobi South Land - is probably the 2nd poorest after Eastland (anywhere from East of Nairobi City bounded by Thika Road & Mombasa Road).

Nairobi South is too much for LAGOS.Nairobi South extend towards Nairobi National Park and has Wilson Airport (for domestic flights).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Nairobi_South.jpg

You cannot beat Eastland - the poorest part of Nariobi trust me - I showed you the worst of Eastland. Not even this.

jaycent:
Chuk yourself a knife and die, you can't still beat the rich like I said, Lagos is not competing with any Africa cities, Lagos and Abuja are competing with Dubai. EOD

When did you do this. Look like you just keep inventing facts as days go. Yesterday you were happy to just overtake kenya - but when the concept of per capita finally penetrated your thick head - you now claim to be 5 or is it 6 times - maybe make that 10 times like your GDP once claimed.

68816419:
WTF is wrong with you stupid Kenyans, y can't you just accept defeat for God sake, we have proven to you that we are at least 5times better than you in all sectors, forgiveness has just provided links and evidences to back his claims about we generating more profits than you stupid slummy country for at least 6 times.
WE ARE AT LEAST 6 TIMES BETTER THAN YOU IN agriculture,SERVICE SECTORS, ECONOMY, INDUSTRIES, sports, entertainment,Road Infrastructure, we have shown links and evidences over and over again.
how Dfck do you want us to convince you guys that we ain't your mates in many things?

Not necessarily. South Africa has around 55-60M people and generate more revenues than Nigeria. It's not just about the subscribers but how much each is spending and services you're offering. That is why Kenya are doing better than Nigeria per capita wise...you 160-180m subscriber can only generate 8B worth of telcom revenues while 40M in kenya generate about half of that. It because Kenya telcoms have got mobile money but lots of service...including fibre internet to homes..while South Africa is even more advanced I suspect.

68816419:
its damn insane to even compare both countries, who does that for God sake, logically,Nigeria have much more people, as a result of higher population and higher purchasing power ,it a simple knowledge that Nigeria would generates more incomes than Kenya in areas of telecommunications.

You're a desperate idiot 2.08 is equal to 2.1B. Learn to BLOODY ROUND OFF. 39.99B is 40B. This is essentially what is wrong with Nigeria as a country. You guys cannot be saved. Just like Tanzania cannot...youre mixing years, revenue $ profit.

Even if we did this 10 times - and we probably have - you still won't get it.

You telcom revenues are going to be like 8.5b (round off) -against kenya's 4B - those are hard stubborn facts.

All you need is to add MTN (40%),Airtel(25%) & GlobalCom(30%) - revenue and you can tell us their 2017 and 2018 (expected) figures.

forgiveness:
Safaricom revenue in 2017 was Sh212.9b which is just $2b(see snapshot 1) and it accounted for 71% of the total revenue (See snapshot 2) generated from telecom industry in Kenya. It is not up to $2.1 neither was it 65% in 2017. Lying machine.

Airtel Kenya revenue in 2016 was $167.59m dollars and it accounted for 16% of total revenue generated from telecom industry in Kenya. Lying machine. (See Snapshot 3)

Meaning, Safaricom and Airtel Kenya dominated the market with 87% shares. That amounted to $2.1b or $2.2b dollars.

What did the remaining 13% generate? 1.4b dollars?

Telkom is the third largest telecom service in Kenya and they have 12% of the whole telecom market shares in Kenya. It's revenue in 2017 was not even up to Airtel Kenya. How can the remaining 1% generate 1.1b dollars? Bhuhahahaha! You are clowning around.


Kenya didn't make up to $2.4b dollars in 2017. Stop lying here.

Kenya revenue was $1.8b dollars in 2016.

Kenya never made $3b dollars revenue from telecom industry since inception.

Typical boneheaded Nigerian,

If our telcom sector is safaricom. Then you're right. Those are annual safaricom revenues. 2017 they made 2.1B (Safaricom 2017 full year results) - the whole sector in 2017 made 3.4B dollars (see our Economic Survey 2018).

Now in 2018 - already safaricom has released their half year results - total revenues are around 1.2B dollars - meaning by end of year they should be well on way to 2.5B dollars.

Safaricom has 65% market - the rest of players include Airtel, Telkom, Equitel/Finserve, Jamii Telcoms.

Therefore to repeat for 10 times...this year expect our telcom revenues to rise from 3.4B to 4B dollars.

Nigeria should end the year with 8-8.5B dollars.

forgiveness:
I am just bursting your lies.

Where did you get $4b dollars from in 2016 and 2017 Kenya's telecom revenue? Lying machine.

Kenya's telecom industry total revenue in 2016 and 2017 were $1.8b and $2.1b dollars according to these reliable sources.

This is where you will see Safaricom revenue for 2016 and the percentage of their market share in Kenya. (See snapshot 1).

https://www.africantelecomsnews.com/resources/AfricaOpp_Kenya.html


Your Business Daily reported Safaricom's revenue in 2017 and how Airtel Kenya lost money. (See snapshot 2)

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Heavy-debt-load-leaves-Airtel-in-Sh8-billion-loss/539546-4077608-view-asAMP-3uehq2/index.html



Airtel CEO, Prasanta Das Sarma publicly announced the revenue of Bharti Airtel in all East African countries in Intercontinental hotel Nairobi Kenya and the east African newspaper covered the event. It was not a secret. That was were we know Airtel Kenya's revenue for 2016 & 2017.


https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Bharti-Airtel-posts-mixed-results-for-East-Africa/2560-4719508-view-asAMP-bwbww8/index.html


Be deceiving yourself.

We have seen that 2016 and 2017 Nigeria's telecom industry revenue were 5 - 6 times of Kenya's telecom industry revenue for 2016 and 2017. EOD.

Any empirical evidence you can quote to back this. It is easy to blurt out any nonsense but to back it up please.

Runalong333:
Guy , not many people care nor know about Kenya. This is the truth, I'm not saying you don't have much going for you, but when outsiders think of Africa, Ghana , Nigeria and South Africa are always the countries of discussion not Kenya . Kenya when you talk of wild animals and where British oligarchs want to stash their wealth lately then yes .

Here is their possibly incoming VP Obi telling them as it is.

At Nairobi, I saw what was beyond my imagination. Let me go straight to the verdict: Nairobi is far better than any Nigerian city you can possibly think of, including Abuja. Once at the Airport, you are bound to admire the order pervading the entire place. Though not as busy as Muritala Muhammed International Airport, it is better organized. In fact, some people told me, unverified, that the airport was built at the cost of Twenty-Five Million Naira (equivalent); while our own was at the cost of over Two Hundred Million Naira. But the two are big as to relatively cost the same.

You just woke up on page nearly 3,000 otherwise Nigerians have been trying but in vain to prove their country - which is blessed with billions worth of oil & gas - is NOT struggling against kenya.

I don't know why you want to tag along Tanzania (our very lazy neighbour), Ghana (our progressive sibling) or South Africa (who with foreign oil companies ran your economy -mtns, shoprites). You're already 200M people strong and this is your forum.

And yes I am black & very proud of it.

Runalong333:
Hahahahaha, with every resource any African country has had , they had to deal thousand more problems than you. Don't come here to play victim as if you don't have anything in Kenya , the Tanzanian guy has been exposing your black nyash every day. You might not have a lot but , why not work with what you have to solve your little problems roblens and stop acting big when you are just irrelevant to everyone . If you notice everyone from Nigeria, Ghana and South Africa knew little about you and never bothered to check any facts about you because we never cared for Kenya . It's only now that you attention seekers have gotten our attention. You mean your elites and their whites would have been far ? . You would still be starving like you do my guy, Kenyan elites only care about pleasing whites not you slum dwellers .

That is rich. British left you with BILLIONS OF BARRELS OF OIL that have earned you billion of dollars and all you did is fight over it and misuse it. South Africa was left with BILLIONS worth of GOLD BULLIONS & DIAMONDS.What did they leave us with? literally nothing. If we had 1/10 of your oil or south africa's gold - we would be so far - but here were are the largest non-mineral economy in Africa.

British took 50 years searching for Oil in Nigeria and when they just started production - you became independent - and all you needed was to milk the cow. And see what you did with all that oil. Nothing. Your cities look so bad it unbelievable.

Runalong333:
We have been helped by what whites . Mr guy ,Nigeria has been up and down on her own without any whites involved don't get this twisted.

Oh shut up , Kenya never had anything close to our coup and war not to mention the 400 year trauma of the South African populace. Compared to the hardships experienced by the two countries , you should not be even competing with them , we should be thinking Kenya vs Singapore , but hey ?.

You sound like some British columnists , they should just get over apartheid, you do know what that system was about right?. How is talking about their economic, educational, parental and general societal breakdown for so long an excuse ?. You are struggling to deal with the little problems you have , and want to compare with people who had to start from the ground two decades back with so many things , the most important being forming and identity and quality education. Who compared black American and South Africans? . My point here is that you make it seem like you are better off than other Africans yet you are starving , have a lot of illiterate people, slum dwellers and far too many foreigners holding you by the balls in every decision you make with regards to your economy. Nigeria is still chaotic but we are not starving to death while a minority of our leaders are selling the land we need for food to whites to build shiny buildings while their own people back home have plenty of food . With your great education we would expect you to be the throwing hundreds of Shuttleworths at us . We would expect to see better trains built by you, but no . Lol. Foolish if you ask me .

I hope you're busy getting some education - not engaging in criminal activities.

Runalong333:
I'm not done with you Kenyan primates just yet , I will be back for you later . I'm busy .

It appears South Africa has not changed you one bit. You remain uncivilized primitive Nigerian hurling expletives like a toddler when not engaging in ad hominem. Kenya has NO Asian(Indian or Chinese) or White domination problem. It simply doesn't exists. We don't have Royal Dutch & other white foreign OIL companies running our economy like Nigeria. We have so many problems if you weren't that ignorant - you'd not ran out of them.

You're right though in one thing - we are a progressive nation - and admire the Western/Asian world for what they've done. So we are guilty as judged because honestly there is nothing to be proud of in Sub Sahara Africa. We won't of course bleach our skins like Nigeria do to appear light skin....we will deal with issues that bedevils us.

We also admire what South Africa has done in Infrastructure (roads, rails, power), health care and name it - and are working hard to reach their current level in 2030 - and we are doing a pretty excellent job.

For example 15yrs ago - only 12-15% of kenya had electricity - we have moved that to 75% - and we are hoping to achieve universal electricity coverage by 2020 -2022 (latest). To be absolutely clearly we are talking 24 hrs of electricity.

We also have like 15% of our people with health care cover...and we want to move that to universal health coverage in 2022. We are aggressively rolling out universal healthcare....and that is how to be positively aggressive!

We also have a fledgling welfare system that ensure everyone old (over 65yrs), disabled or orphans get some money every month - just like those facing famine & disaster do.

In the last 5 yrs we are building more roads than we ever built since independence. We are investing in Railways & Ports.

There is a lot to learn from top South Africa universities - and but fact is their primary & secondary education - is not something we are keen to copy. Those are just facts.

Runalong333:
Hahahahaha, my friend you like playing the ecapee role like thief. I know you read my long diatribe but could not counter it with and sensible come back. I don't think there has been any Asian domination in south Africa, I was talking about Kenya. Not in your past but today . Kenyans after 1963 are still dominated by the British and Asians and lately Chinese and we see no way out for you, atleast if South Africans play their cards right, there is a lot of hope . You have condemned yourselves to be perpetual economic slaves all in the name of being " investor friendly" . The people in kibera and other growing slums are growing in frustration while you are busy analysing the rest of Africa, like I said you seem out of touch with your own reality lol. You want black south Africans to show you a Shuttleworth yet your masai behind can't even produce his personal assistant with your so called superior education . Nigerians are not economic slaves , we rule our own universe unlike your British butt asslikers . Kenyetta and the few privilledged who own your land are busy selling your birthright to multi nationals while you idiots are busy forming educated online . Continue . South Africa is minding her land and education challenges, that is why they media is buzzing with such news , but the willing slaves in East Africa think they are home free because there are more British expatriates making money out of them calling themselves Kenyans . Take your economic power back from them and let's see how much sweet their praises of you wi be . Nigeria is the monster of Africa on their news not only because of our failures but because we would never open ourselves up for the kind of domination you idiots clearly enjoy . Rubbish people.