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30% 0f Nairobi are proper middle class earning 10k dollars per annum..that is whopping 1.5m Nairobian which explain why outside Joburg Nairobi leads in modern malls in SSA.And Nairobi has 10k dollar millionaires..Lagos has 15k usd millionaire mostly oil barons..Hass track rent price in Nairobi and typical Nigerian have to cramp 15 of themselves to afford in low middle class Nairobi.

Nowenuse:
No, only a picture of Madaraka estate was posted.

So are you telling me that the picture above shows a mainly low income area or what? Cos I am clearly not seeing any low income area in this pic.

Besides what the heck do you mean low income by Kenyan standards? Are Kenyan standards so high? If Kenyan Income standards were so high, then your country would have had a large middleclass population which it doesn't.

That really sums nigeria..grandiose projects during oil boom..without any sustanability

NairobiWalker:
Why would they build an electric train with their kind of electricity?

And those are upperhill roads under construction

NairobiWalker:
You do realize you're comparing photos of highways with little to no pedestrian activity in Uyo with photos of streets in a busy business district in Nairobi do you?

We have about 70 total public n private universities with enrollment at more than 500k.University like Kenyatta at point had i think 70k with Nairobi at 40k students...so our universities are some of world biggest conventional excluding open distance learning universities.

kikuyu1:
Looking for the receipts on uni education Dangoteland and Kenya. Ofc,we're ahead on the per capita and quality but I can't find anything
def!


[url][/url]https://qz.com/915618/only-one-in-four-nigerians-applying-to-university-will-get-a-spot/

Here we have 50 unis,private and public and IIRC at least 400,000 students. i can't find anything definite for both of us-rvp20182,can you find smth and break it down per capita?

Comparing Nairobi to Lagos is like comparing darkness n light.Lagos gotta to do more bleaching.Calabar looks like half decent city you find in kenya...not horrible like most of Nigeria cities that boast of one or two highways and complete lack of infrastructure inside the cities.

1m indians in Nigeria.Well last census Kenya had 80k Asians..majority of India or pakistani origins..about half are kenya citizens..mostly 3rd generation..and about half non kenyans.. mostly British citizen.There are very few indian indians in kenya coz our immigration is very strict.At independence we had 170k..most left in 1969 for Britain n Norty America as africanication of business was legalized.Unlike many africa countries like nigeria youd be hard pressed to find Indian or asian shopkeeper or such lowly traders in Nairobi.They were not allowed that free reign and they mostly do complex busineess like manufacturing, construction,phamaceticals, publishing, advertising.

The excuse about size or north nigeria dragging her down is baseless.What would countries north of nigeria say.Nigeria in 70s and 80s after the oil boom basically left their farms for towns...their agricluture collapsed and now you got slum cities without electricity or running water or sewage or tarmac road..a city like kano or ibandan if you look at its picture would shock you...huge slumpolis if there was one.and huge swatch of empty land.Our company recently move to Nigeria and by most account rhe amount of ffallow land is straggering.Over reliance of OIL has completely destroyed nigeria..what was suppose to be a blessing is now an albatrosss on Nigeria giant neck.Kenya on the contary has it easy except for bad governance and pop growth ..both which are now improving or on check...and there is no doubt will soon be a proper middle class country soon.

Yeah 1.5% of alleged gdp

sufferNsmiling:
Now I can see that you are a stack illiterate , 290 million us dollar in first quarter is to poor .1.5 billion us dollar per year for lagos in revenue generation that is a disgrace for a city like lagos. that show lagos not produce but it is a consuming city with very few industries and production chains for exports. Lagos gdp is over 100 billion us dollar they can only race 1.5 billion us dollars per year revenue. My country nigeria is a joke if other africans see this they will laugh maybe the gdp is super inflated because 1.5% tax does not make sense

The data come from nigeria gdp national accounts which is cooked

obaaderemi:
Kikuyu1 is not mad,he is just angry his country is not very important. Let's take it easy with him. The other angry bird is just a child who must be handled as such. Their final average household consumption is very very very low. Lower than Nigeria's. So its either Kenyans are poorer than we thought or many of them don't even have access to those fat salaries we see here from the Kenyan angry birds. See below:

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/kenya/household-final-consumption-expenditure-per-capita

Kenya - Household final consumption expenditure
per capita
Household final consumption expenditure per
capita (constant 2010 US$)
The latest value for Household final consumption
expenditure per capita (constant 2010 US$) in
Kenya was 889.84 as of 2016. Over the past 56
years, the value for this indicator has fluctuated
between 889.84 in 2016 and 440.35 in 1970.


https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/nigeria/household-final-consumption-expenditure-per-capita
Nigeria - Household final consumption expenditure
per capita
Household final consumption expenditure per
capita (constant 2010 US$)
The latest value for Household final consumption
expenditure per capita (constant 2010 US$) in
Nigeria was 1,612.74 as of 2015. Over the past 34
years, the value for this indicator has fluctuated
between 1,743.18 in 1981 and 790.79 in 1987.

of course.what a desert to you.UNEP define 70% of Ethiopia a desert.

obaaderemi:
So because Kenya faces droughts, that means 50million Kenyans live in deserts. You are a bad pupil.

Laughable.Forex reserve is central bank job to ensure you can cover your import bill,pay for external debt and stabilize the currency.Its not wealth.Its indication that nigeria is importing lots of crap they shouldnt.Therefore you cannot sell or bring the oil dollars home but have to keep them in us fed reserve banks to meet import n debt obligation.Its an indication of backwardness.You sell oil to us but you cant bring home lots of billion dollars coz they are needed to import tomato sauce n milk powder abroad and nobody is accepting naira outside nigeria.Countries like norway or saudis keep their forex in soverign funds coz its too much for their economy.Nigerians cannot find dollars to buy locally coz that forex reserve is too little.Us has zero forex reserves.Budget is what you need to focus...its difference btw dreams n reality as far as public investment goes..stuff like roads or rail or education.Nigeria 30b usd budget id the worse in planet per capita if am not wrong.Somali when i last checked at it lowest had 1b dollars for 5m people.You have 36b for 200m people..that is less than 1b for 5m nigerians.

obaaderemi:
No, that's not corruption. The corrupt aspect of it is if the money is stolen and they don't implement the budget. But take a look at foreign reserve. Nigeria's foreign reserve is about $50bn. And Angola's which is Africa's 2nd oil exporter is $14bn with a debt of $30bn. This has prompted many to ask what Angola is hiding its petrodollars. Nigerian government needs to open more ways and be more serious about fiscal policy(taxation). It's the missing link.

I provided the source..a nigerian..yeah i have checked 2018 figures and it much less..50billion..but still Angola have done themselves proud..from war to now a big economy with luanda a small rio

obaaderemi:
And you honestly believe Angola's budget can be $124bn?If you believe that, you will believe anything.

I know youre desperately searching for something nigeria is better than kenya but crop density is just lame.Facts dont lie.Facts are stubborn.This is so underwhelming

obaaderemi:
We are talking Kenya not France. Typical Kenyan arrogance and rubbish.

Typical nigerian nonsense..crop density of pea nuts is not equivalent to a vineyard in france

obaaderemi:
Israel's arable land is 20%.I know you are surprised. But don't bring Israel into this. Israel uses a lot of technoligy that africa needs to copy. Your agriculture is doing poorly as shown by that chart and the value is small. You say corn is crap!Tell that to Kenyans from whose table Ugali has disappeared. What Kenya can do about its poor agriculture is to manage the land more and use more science. GM crops can also help. From the chart it is so shameful how bare Kenya is.(below 20%)It's a scandal to say the least.

You nigerians are not to blame - you've one worst education system. Only 15% of Ethiopia is arable. 10% of Kenya is arable. Around a whooping 40% of Nigeria is arable. Obviously that has not stopped kenya from being an agricultural power-house.

obaaderemi:
He is not going to believe you until you post him some pictures. Ethiopia is not as arid as many think.

Kenya is doing well - we've grown for the last 15yrs - and will definitely grow for the next 15yrs. our economy has grown from 12B to now 88B - and so in 15 yrs - we expect that 88M to transform into 500B. And it' won't be cooked.

Our growth sectors are well known and not cooked
1) Agriculture & livestock is main source of economy at 25% - tea & horticulture bring about 3B dollas and we are global leaders in both.Dairy industry -we've overtaken South Africa and produce billions litres of milk - by investing in modern dairy farming. Coffee..best quality beans out there.
2) Manufacturing 10% (we are second biggest source of manufactured goods in comesa after Egypt) .
3) Financial & inter-mediation 10% ( arguably now one of Africa's most developed after South Africa - & globally one of fastest growing).
4) Retail & trade at 10% ( Without doubt Africa second most developed retail & wholesale sector after South Africa - with so many homegrown super-market and malls that are starting to rival south Africa)
5) ICT at 10% (Without doubt Africa best -and probably equals South Africa).
6) Real estate & Construction at 10% (Without doubt Africa fastest growing & most profitable - with so many skcrappers under development including Africa tallest building at 70 floors...and couple around 50 floors).
7) Social sectors - you know we have budget the size of Nigeria...so we spend a lot in education, military,social services.
9) Tourism & hospitality - Invented the world safaris and definitely the choice destination for many travellers worldwide.
10) Energy (Example of having green energy - largest geothermal power in Africa - and largest wind farm )

And other small sectors.

Kenya GDP IS VERY VERY SOLID. NOTHING COOKED.

Danielnino00:
The Kenyans will tell you that it's because they don't have mineral resources.. .. But look at the numerous advantages they have..
- A huge population that's one of the largest in Africa
- Stable power supply, something Nigeria lack
- A stable currency( helped by devaluation of course


But they have a mere GDP of $70b

Entertainment/fashion is BS that explain why your GDP is bullcrap. What is total earning from nollywood & fashion seriously? - and what agriculture do you have - maybe cassava? coz you import tonnes of food.

Daejoyoung:
Entertainment, fashion, agriculture, even lCT.
There's nothing they claim to have contributing to their GDP that we don't have(excluding tourism),except that they have a very small economy. 70bn dollars is a joke and can't be the basis for a truly diversified economy.

That is the other joke I hear people talk about. What highest earning from Nigeria movie? I'd be surprised if nigeria entire entertainment industry was worth even 0.5B dollars per annum. That would be about 0.05% of your GDP..when not cooked.

jason14:
lol none of these three u have .
we still have entertainment industry that contributes largely to our economy ooo (which u still don't have)

I have heard you can't drive with your windows open in Lagos - and thugs are all over.

samsobo24:
so you haven't heard of LRU on nairaland.LRU isn't planning again, they are fully functional

Anything calculated by Nigerian Stats office is not worth the ink it's written on. Maybe you can help us say with some data showing how big a consumer market Lagos is. You can pick any sector - and you may be able to convince somebody that Lagos is not a mega slum.

nwoke37:
Lagos’ gdp grew during the recession. Recession barely affected Lagos’ growth. Lagos gdp is about $136 billion rn

https://www.ft.com/content/ff0595e4-26de-11e8-b27e-cc62a39d57a0

Plans. Where you total revenues are so tiny. How will they materiliaze. Nigeria is using 1,800-4,000MW (when they max out) - so I don't think adding more MWs is the solution.She need to resolve the basic issues...pre-paid meters can solve cashflow issues plauging your power sector...and the turbines can turn again 24-7 and you'll be able to enjoy constant power like many African countries..including somalia which is at war.

But it's about PLANS and GDP and Dangote.

nwoke37:
The electricity project are EPPs,embedded power producers, and is only for Lagos state. Private investors will generate electricity and it will be transmittted to customers in Lagos state. The customers will be metered and Lagos has passed laws to curb vandalism and stealing of electricity.
https://lagosstate.gov.ng/blog/2018/02/03/lagos-revs-up-economy-with-new-power-and-property-laws/

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/an-overview-of-the-lagos-state-electric-53723/

http://www.businessdayonline.com/ambode-signs-agreement-investors-lagos-3000-mw-embedded-power-project/

This is not part of the national grid that’s bogged down with inefficiency.
Now if you’re talking about the national grid, they’re plans to increase its transmission capability to be able to transmit more electricity as well as to include more generation capacity. Nigeria will be able to transmit 10,000 mw of its electricity in 2020 and 28,000 mw by 2035
http://sweetcrudereports.com/2018/02/03/nigeria-increase-transmission-capacity-28000mw-2035/

Lagos has the most industries in Nigeria. It will most likely need way more than 1,000 mw.
Nigeria will need way more than 12,000mw..
According to this report Nigeria needs 20,000 mw and even more.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/nigeria-needs-about-160000mw-to-have-24-hours-uninterrupted-electricity-across-the-country/amp

I doubt the effectiveness of LRU - and then the plans - those are hilarous - Nigeria has 12,000mw of installed capacity - and it manages to only use 2,000MW - just tell me how adding more installed capacity will solve anything. Are you guys this dumb? The current installed capacity is enough to supply the entire nigeria with constant 24-7 electricity. At you level of poverty - your per capita power needs are low (mostly lighting a bulb & watching TV)- just like in Kenya - the average household - need maybe 0.5kwh per day - and 12,000mw can give you what 240,000,0000kwhs...more than enough to supply the entire nigeria.

The problem is not more generation...it's maintaining the existing ones..ensure they are running 24-7hrs - by making sure people are being smart-metered and they are paying for power...giving money to distributor to pay the producer...and slowly moving from 1,800MW per day to 12,000MW per day...otherwise the idle capacity you have is staggering.

But all of you are mostly idiots just shouting GDP, Dangote, and Big PLANS.

Kenya generates about 2,500Mw - and it uses 2,000MW with 500MW just idling there for any surges -- and it supplies 4-6M household with power - and you'll be suprised that only about 6,000 of it's customers - the big industries consume 80% of our power. Household consume nearly nothing....lighting 5 bulbs at night for 3-4 hours,charging their phones or laptops, at best a fridge and watching TV....the entire lagos can function with 1,000 MW.

nwoke37:
Lagos has LRU.. Call 112.. It's very effective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUcuL1K67vA

Lagos plans to add 1,000 mw by the end of this yr.. In 3-5 more yrs, about 3,000 mw will be added. There wont be any balckouts in Lagos again..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzLSmVws1S4

Very proud of Lagos right now... Like the guy said in the video.. If Lagos gets it right, Nigeria will get it right

For the umpteenth time cooked GDP cannot be EATEN. It just one tool politician use to delude you. In your poverty you think you're the best in Africa - better than South Africa or Egypt. That is grand delusion. I mean it's still deluded to think the quality of life in say Ghana or Kenya is equal to Nigeria but that is forgivable.

Just travel to any Africa country - and you'll only compare nigeria to South Sudan, Somali,Burundi, DRC, Niger and Chad. Check any serious indices - not GDP - and you'll see Nigeria ranked bottom 10 - after Haiti, Chad, Niger, Burundi, South Sudn, Somalia, Central Africa Rep and maybe where else is life that bad? Benin and Togo maybe? Liberia & Sieraleone? Or Eritrea? And maybe Yemen? And Madagascar island. The very bottom 10-20 in every indices out there.

Ask any nigerian who has travelled to Nairobi or Kenya!! to tell you just how crappy and desperate your life is in Lagos.

But your politician will tell you're the African giant with biggest economy. The 21st century joke! Better than South Africa and Egypt - nigger nigeria?

jason14:
all their constant electricity (like they claim to have), infrastructure , CCTV camera , industries (all these things that RSVP and his brothers claim to have )lol , still Nairobi has no GDP. SMH




....JASON THE NAIJA DUDE

Let me first finish reading the fact that you can't afford to open your car windows in lagos - otherwise your phone will be gone. Is that 2002? Are smartphones that damn expensive. Thugs with guns breaking car windows?

Please kindly accept the fact that Lagos is crappy little mega slum and can't be compared to Nairobi...

I mean after struggling the whole day with generator..going back home to your electricity less, water less, sewage less house...you still have to battle thugs amid horrendous traffic in some of the most grotesque public transport. I really feel for you guys. And then you switch on the generator again at home and whole city start the humming along in the most annoying generator din - that will kill me.

And lets not talk about Okada - the motorbike for today - I know they are in kenya - but not in nigeria number - okada noise+generator noise - that got to drive many folks insane.

https://www.nairaland.com/2653841/uber-partner-lagos-please-share/665#67032862

samsobo24:
I beg of you,check for lagos Emergency unit,check their centers scattered across the state, check out their world class equipments, checkout their Helipads etc

Check RRS
Check Lagos Environmental sanitation corps
Read about lagos state swift service emergency No's
Educate yourself about lagos state traffic management agency
Checkout Lagos Neighborhood corps,check their modern systems, their bicycles, their services.

Read about their facilities and equipments
AND
Don't forget Lagos marine police

I repeat lagos isn't your Daddy's mate ( Nairobi)

I have seen Nigerian police - I think they are the worst I have seen - remind me of Uganda police in 90s - right from their uniforms. They are worse than kenya watchman. That happens when there is no budget for the police. We spend nearly 2B dollars on our police...for cars..alone...we don't buy...we lease brand new cars every year for something close to 30B naira. Nigerian simply don't have the money for modern policing..except maybe in 2 or 3 island or gated community.

As regard to crime...this uber nairaland thread is shocking
https://www.nairaland.com/2653841/uber-partner-lagos-please-share/665#67032862

samsobo24:
And what's the big deal about that,do you know when Lagos started using CCTV,Lagos is just extending more to inner cities and not just the island. Like now oshodi and other areas now have CCTVs with CCTV surveillance security patrol vehicles, surveying the axis to avoid any breach of tranquility.

In no time,Lagos smart street light will be the one monitoring trafficand see this one,you think Lagos state Police use just cars alone, I laugh at you.
Lagos RRS,LRU use up to date modern solutions to curtail crime,I beg you,check for their smart patrol vehicles

And yet crime is a problem. This is like saying Island X or Y has a generator and borehole - while rest of Lagos is shit-hole. I stumbled upon a nigeria uber thread..and boy the crime in Lagos is astounding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

samsobo24:
And what's the big deal about that,do you know when Lagos started using CCTV,Lagos is just extending more to inner cities and not just the island. Like now oshodi and other areas now have CCTVs with CCTV surveillance security patrol vehicles, surveying the axis to avoid any breach of tranquility.

In no time,Lagos smart street light will be the one monitoring trafficand

These are not dumb CCTV like you. These are intelligent cameras - a contract we gave China's Huawei - for Naira 60 Billion. Can Nigeria with their small budget afford to buy CCTV for 60 billion Naira?

This is the project: Which has been functional for 2-3 yrs now. A mismanaged Nigeria can only dream about what Kenya does!! and without OIL.

The IPSCSS17 will result in the installation of
1) 1,800 CCTV cameras with [b]face and motor vehicle number plate recognition capabilities [/b]in strategic locations in Kenya’s two big cities of Mombasa and Nairobi;
2) setting up a command and control centre where footage from the CCTV cameras and handheld devices will be relayed in real time; a video conferencing system;
3) connecting 195 police stations with high-speed internet;
4) the development of a 4G LTE18 network for the police with 80 base stations;
5) supplying the police with 7,600 radio communication devices with SIM cards and photo and video capability;
6) and linking 600 police vehicles to the command and control centre.

And all Nigeria can dream is some island or gated community having half of that

jason14:
my guy I'm not stupid, but when it comes to you I have to act like one ,that's d only way u can stop talking rubbish and boasting nonsense boast
go to d Kenya that he has been hyping and ull not see anything there , CCTV cameras my foot


....JASON THE NAIJA DUDE

You're more stupid than rest of nigerians. Which is something. There is crime but we are NOT in Lagos or Joburg level. We are fighting crime...ask the nigerians who are now filling up our prisons.

jason14:
lol so Theres no crime in.Kenya ? is that what u are trying to say

Yeah - 3 round abouts is big deal - and footbriges. Bus stops. E-GIS. CCTV. You guys need to visit functioning city. Nairobi is one such smart city...as you droll about 13,000 cctv cameras...Nairobi already implemented all that. We spend [b]150M usd [/b]to install not only CCTV cameras but intelligent cameras including facial recognition, number plate recognition & police commands centers in Nairobi & Mombasa..that is why we have reduced terror attack to nearly zero....despite bordering Somalia.

https://www.sde.co.ke/sdemedia/sdeimages/saturday/sfck0grmfczkhu575bc1021ef31.jpg

Unlike Lagos - which is a thug paradise - you can't try any such in Nairobi or Mombasa - because chance are - there is an intelligent camera watching you - with intelligent face recognition and if you have car - your plate recognition- and we have functioning 991!

Watch Nairobi beat crime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=4H5IVEC-RDg
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/files/2016/12/CCTV-COMMAND-CENTRE-1.jpg

Watch at our police command center - receiving 50,000 calls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_999UQ2ehM

With your little budget - you cannot to invest in modern CCTV or policing.

samsobo24:
You fall my hand by explaining to them about Lagos.Lagos is not their Daddy's mate

I hope these are the worst bunch but based on the evidence so far - it obvious the country is one big zoo like somalia. It just a little better because it got lots of oil..which they have wasted.

kikuyu1:
Fellow Kenyan,do you wonder like me if these guys are dumb,dyslexic,delusional or simply illiterate? It wouldn't surprise me with Naij's abysmal quality in all things if these posters unable to read a graph actually have uni degrees! IIRC before you came a genius somehow managed to misread a graph of Africa's fastest growing towns,nearly all Kenyan (ofc,you know which towns as Kumasi!).

If you need to go 30yrs ago - you'll see our forex has grown with our GDP/Import/debts - and has NEVER been an issue! Our economy is so diversified - no one sector bring forex or takes forex!
https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/kenya-foreign-exchange-reserves.png?s=kenyaforexcres&v=201804231002v&d1=19180101&d2=20181231

And Nigeria swings with OIL. You're NOTHING without oil. Zero economy. Just agragrian primitive economy that relies on oil.
https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/nigeria-foreign-exchange-reserves.png?s=nigeriaforexcres&v=201803312134v&d1=19180101&d2=20181231

Here is the oil graph
https://media.ycharts.com/charts/ce114e0986a6137921496bed416313e6.png