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Nope. Nairobi only problem has been to strictly separate office and residential zones. Now that tall apartments - 40 flrs are coming up in the business district- people can live and work in cities...without using anything but their bicycles or just walk - non-motorized. This reduces the need for transport for many - most big cities probably half transport needs because most people basically stroll from office to their tall apartments nearby.

Remember 40 floor building can squeeze in say 400 units - housing maybe 2,000 people. Try that in open spaces - it takes a lot of land. In Europe or name them - despite not having super-talls - pretty much everywhere is apartments - 5-10 floors tall - and then few rich guys in single dwelling units in suburbs - and farms pretty much in the city - because their cities dont sprawl into endless kilometres.

The more the city brawls - the more traffic you get. But if everyone lives a walking distance from the city - then majority - can walk to work - and few rich men can live in the suburbs.

QuietMynd:
Wrong.
U get it all wrong, in short it is the other way round.
Skyscrapers or not if the land is small nd population keep rising, there will be traffic. If Nairobi can get half of Lagos population with their skyscrapers, Nairobi will choke.
I ain't even capping.

Even if your permanently live in this forum - Accra will not get to Nairobi level in your lifetime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwBpW8hlCE

Just40:
say it again oh

They are barely doing 6 or 7 million tonnes

Predictably the refuge of a scoundrel is base insults.

Balogunodua:
Yes...from your anus again

These are the latest figures
Nigeria cement consumption - 21M
Kenya cement consumption - 10m

Balogunodua:
Ye...


We have been hearing that since 2015 and Kenya still not on top cement consumers in Africa

I believe the debate was beyond your paygrade. Watch videos like this. This you can understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK6FoXaKreo

Balogunodua:
Diversion com wailing

Nairobi is huge construction site. We are not only dreaming but we are converting those dreams into reality. Now 4th Most Dynamic City in the World. Only one in Africa.

What is coming up - all over Nairobi - 10yrs - Joburg will be shadow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQsCxkXPwuQ

Balogunodua:
Lolz...

Dream on bro, it good to dream

As you burst you veins with irrational anger, Nairobi is already considered the best city to work and live by expats in Africa (and top 10 worldwide), and Nairobi is nailing the few problems it has - roads, rail, water and garbage - every year Nairobi is making progress to make a great city.

Unless Nairobi drops the ball - it's will overtake Joburg and become Africa greatest city for sometime - because it has the fundamentals to become what NewYork, London, Tokyo and such city of Africa continent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r537VwdW1vE

Nairobi was already East Africa HQ and now is eating Joburg pie to become Africa HQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO0ZP6MLWM

I dont think anything I said is worth bursting a vein over. Relax. Nairobi is just getting started. Nairobi is building more skyscrapper than all Africa cities combined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQvPTPpPps&t=2s

Balogunodua:
Fumbling won't help you Mister and bring the so called fact from your anus is disgusting....get that.


The generator powered economy as a GDP bigger than the whole Kenya..that truly is the only stubborn fact you can't dispute..

Quick example Knight Frank - Africa reports

Africa Offices Dashboard - Q3 2021
Nairobi accounted for 30 percent of office space demand in entire Africa. People dont just wake up and build skyscrappers which cost money to to erect and run...they build them because there is demand for office spaces or rental apartments.

https://content.knightfrank.com/research/2261/documents/en/africa-offices-dashboard-q3-2021-8600.pdf

Nairobi is going to continues seeing demand for office blocks because it's a magnet for multinational who want to set up African operations - previously they would go to Joburg - but now they can find everything they require in Nairobi - which is more centrally located to act as nerve center of Afrca, has well trained English speaking proffesional to be hired, and dont have that much crime - and unlike Lagos - you dont have to run a generator and hire police escort.

Nairobi rise will continue...and will overtake joburg in 10yrs...to become Africa biggest city (not in population) but in infrastructure...while Ghana Accra will compete with Lagos in West Africa.

There are people who study these things because they build or advise people to build hotels or office blocks or retail or warehouses. Lagos despite having less than Nairobi - has an overcapacity. That tell you the Lagos economy is mostly informal.

GeneralDae:
Are you sure about this? Because although Lagos is about 60% the informal sector, I am still sure it's formal sector is bigger than that of Kenya as a whole not just Nairobi. I did a google search of the list of firms or formal companies in Lagos and I got 33501 results and definitely not all of them need skyscrapers.

Informal service industry will not generate office spaces. It will generate street hustlers and hawkers. It will generate flea markets, corner shops, pop-mom shops and other such informal retail, accommodation and even manufacturing on the streets.

Nairobi has MORE FORMAL office, retail, hotel and formal warehousing space than Lagos. There are gazillions reports out there on this - from Knight Frank, PWCs, name them

These are stubborn facts that your generator powered economy cannot match.

Balogunodua:
You are saying nonsense again...the generator powered economy as you said is the 7 largest economy in Africa larger than the whole Kenya...you must be joking when you said that..service industry still provide bulk of Nigeria GDP with Lagos having the lion share, so what all this service fumbling you are making? How does Nairaobi beat Lagos in Office demand is the question you should answer my friend.



Nigeria still has more service industries than Kenya and generates more money from it than Kenya.. FACT

Yes - it would greatly help - the urban sprawl is crazy.

tylann:
Lagos is overcrowded you need skycrapers by force don't compare yourself to Algiers and Casablanca

Just read reports from real estate firms - who have studied office, retail, hotel and warehousing space - demand and supply - Lagos has overcapacity - because the generator powered economy is not producing enough formal jobs to create demand for office or retail or hotel spaces.

FDI that flows into extractive industries have zero impact. It's only recently that Lagos has started to attracted Fintech. Nairobi attract the same. It need to attract a lot more than fintech within the service industries to generate demand for office spaces.

What helps Nairobi of course it's social capital of the world - NGOs and UNs - pump a lot of money - to Africa - mostly through Nairobi. This is not reflected in commercial transactions but create a lot of demand for high quality office, hotel and retail spaces.

Balogunodua:
Lolz..

What is all this rubbish your wrote up there Kenya develops organically with empty buildings all over the place...or how does Nairaobi beat Lagos in numbers of formal jobs or office space and demand when Lagos itself attract more foreign investment than the whole Kenya both in tech sector despite the fact that it has the most expensive office rent in Africa.

Private sector build skyscrappers. Gov rarely. Gov is suppose to built tram and rails. There are thefore not mutually exclusive. The money for building office blocks is not from gov coffers.

GeneralDae:
Kenyans seem to be in love with skyscrapers. To me, trams and rails in a city are way better infrastructures with insurmountable economic benefits.

I bet if they allowed it - they would built. The reason skycrappers are not built in developed world is because getting permits is almost impossible. Nigeria has no such excuses. Nobody has wanted to build and gov said nope...you can only build this height. You're not buiding it because there is no demand for office space.

samorobo:
Lol you are a fool. I guess Algiers,Casablanca,Rabat,Tuniare shiit hole zoo for not having skyscrapers. Lol the same Casablanca that humbles anything in Kenya .

Skyscrappers and apartments first are best use of urban land to avoid urban sprawl and traffic jams like Lagos.
Secondly skycrappers are mostly offices - and built by private developers.
They built it because there is huge demand for office space - and the land is pretty expensive - and they want to build so many units.
Apart from communist regime - like Tanzania - or Abuja planned cities - cities like Nairobi develops organically.
Someone comes, study office or hotel or residential demand, and built them. Nobody ask them - it's real estate market and their money.
That is effective demand. You will find Laogs has oversupply because there are that NOT many formal jobs being generated to occupy such buildings. And of course running a generator the whole day for lifts to work isnt funny.

Of course govs regulate the heights of buildings...and can decide to disallow tall buildings for any reasons.

Balogunodua:
The question is...does skyscraper equals development Or most a city have skyscrapers to become developed.

You're obtuse as always.
10 yrs ago I believe in top 100 banks in Africa by asset - kenya had one or zero bank in there - Poor Ghana is right there.
Nigeria had all the 18 banks after their forced mergers in Obasanjo regime.
Now as we speak - Kenya has more than 10 banks in Africa top 100.
And Equity has climbed to no 22 - it's only behind 4 Nigeria banks. It should overtake 2 banks in 2yrs
And in less than 5yrs it would have overtaken Zenith and First Bank.
10yrs ago - Equity bank total assets were 2B dollars - now it's grown to 12B dollars!! - 6 times in 10yrs.
KCB, CO-OP, NCBA, DTB, name them climbing each year.
Watch the trend.
So you'll find 5 kenyan banks ahead of all Nigeria banks

obaaderemi:
You've been singing the same Looney tunes for six years. Like someone said: if wishes were horses.

Do you expect Nigeria's banking sector to just suddenly stop growing. Nigeria' was in recession last year, yet our banks were the most profitable. What do you think would happen in a good year?

Example 1 - Equity Bank - grw total assets by 20%.

For the year to 31st March 2022 the Group's total assets and balance sheet grew by 19% from Kshs. 1,066.4 billion to Kshs. 1,269.5 billion compared to the corresponding period in the previous year while cash and cash equivalents declined by 31% from Kshs. 241 billion down to Kshs.May 12, 2022

Balogunodua:
Only if wishes were horse...

https://african.business/dossiers/africas-top-100-banks/
See how fast kenya banks are rising if you have been following the trends.
Equity now breathing down the neck - and so are KCB/Cooperatives.
And we just got DRC to join EAC
Meaning two/three years - Kenya banks will be become bigger than Nigeria
Brains at work.
Ethiopia soon will follow suit and allow foreign banks - kenya banks have been circling Ethiopia waiting for it to open up
DRC and Ethiopia is bigger than Nigeria - and less of zoos.

obaaderemi:
From the Bankers Magazine 2021



We compete with global banks not just African banks. No wonder one little Indian sees Nigeria's banking sector as a yardstick to compare his country's one with.

Likely to be on codeine syrup..an opiate drug...very common in Nigeria..cause grand delusions.

jl115:
Don't do drugs kids

Besides none of the skyscrappers have been built by gov - they are built by thriving private sector - not for show like say in Abuja - that PyongYang city of Nigeria - where half the building are empty - but they are built to satisfy demand for office spaces.

Shma:
Point of correction:

Development is "NOT ONLY" about skyscrapers and high rises, but also.... Other aspects that you know might define development. We're not that dumb to be ignorant of basics.

A Kenyan has spoken.

It's a zoo - when bad news like that dont even make to mainstream media in nigeria - leave international media. They have hit low levels such kidnapping is now common place occurrence...just like electricity of 2hours per day. People have accepted it, they worked around it, and have given up on seeing it change. You just grow up knowing kidnapping is part of normal life and electricity a luxury.

Only country that messed up in Africa is Somalia - and they are patching things slowly. Otherwise Nigeria is totally dysfunctional.

You can imagine the only way to know that people were kidnapped is many abandoned cars on the highway - it's surreal.

Baliv254:
every time they talk rubbish i just go to front page of Nairaland and see countless crisis and decide to just stay quiet- no need to kick a dog while its down, very sad situation.

Better because you say or because of facts.
Fact is Uhuru has grown economy from 4 trillion Kshs to now 12 trillion Kshs.
Average growth rate is 6 percent.
That is very good.

Excellent would be to do 10 percent.

Buhari has done -1 percent I think for 8 yrs.
Epic failure.
Not even security is better.
I have Nigerian friend - today he was telling me he is going to Nigeria next month after 5yrs - he will be in Abuja - afraid to visit his village.
Why - insecurtiy and kidnapping.
Crazy

Balogunodua:
Ivy league does not make someone super ordinary or any special... a failure is a failure no more no less.

And Buhari the school drop out is better than the failure called Uhuru....Fact.

Nigeria is great example of anything messed up. It's a template of a zoo. Nearly every indices out there has Nigeria at the bottom.

obaaderemi:
The Pained boy can't talk or breathe without mentioning Nigeria. He eats, drinks, and sleeps Nigeria.

The only European thing is Champions League. This must be the hilarious bridge to nowhere - when it was cheaper to build a road around the edge. No wonder you're using it to watch European football. Your are country of non serious low IQ people. One of the most dumb people in Africa. Maybe DRC is your only competition in there.

Kazikazi:
Shitholes won't reach these european levels....
tanzanite bridge, Tanzania

Uhuru has a serious drink problem - otherwise he has ivy league education - so he understand complex issues. The last time we had idiot - it was Moi - who is Buhari type primary school dropout.

Balogunodua:
Pot calling kettle black wonders..... The educated illiterate called Uhuru the drunkard is a total failure com President that has rendered Kenya a shithole country

Show me an African leader who is as smart as Meles; maybe Mwai Kibaki in his prime (not after two stroke and his average presidency)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mkHjtpGPaY

Tea only grow in highland

theenchanter:
calm down. The report said "largest Highland tea farm", not largest tea producer or largest tea estates.

Be calming down small small.

Meles Zenawi really turned around Ethiopia from a basket case that was last in every index like Nigeria into one of the promising countries before the current leaders took it back.

Meles was arguably the most intelligent leader to ever lead a country in Africa.

Turning a basket case like Nigeria - but without any minerals - into that - is pretty amazing. And that is what Meles did - growing Ethiopia last in last famine basket case - into a promising country.

People need to watch a couple of his videos to understand just how brilliant he was. Meles IQ was off chart. Left his medicine studies to go fight and then turned around his country growing it at double digit for almost 30yrs - without any minerals - from famine - and now you see Adis Ababa - and you see the miracle he did.

In meantime Nigeria which like DRC is incredibly blessed with natural resources has elected for two terms someone who went to almajiri school of begging and never completed primary education - and is functionally illeterate, old, lifeless and useless.

If you must elect a leader - please elect someone with IQ of at least 120-140. China and many asian countries run very serious meritrocracy with incredibly brilliant of the brilliant running things. Africa we have strong men.

gallivant:
Addis Ababa

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP2J7fXoAIBhsB.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP2J8xWUAAsQ-o.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP2J-DWYAA_uJj.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRQplRtXIAA6pzh.jpg

Click baiting. That is small tea farm. Kenya is 3rd world large tea producer - and Kericho has some world largest tea estates

68816419:
The Largest Highland TEA FARM in Africa is NOT in Kenya but NIGERIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0FFttU1eM&t=170s

200K is small potato. Nigeria diaspora is doing great to invest back in Nigeria.

obaaderemi:
Honestly, when it comes to the private sector, few countries in Africa measure up to Nigeria. Poor leadership is really holding Nigeria back. That's why nonentities like Kenyans can talk here.