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Yes - it would greatly help - the urban sprawl is crazy.

tylann:
Lagos is overcrowded you need skycrapers by force don't compare yourself to Algiers and Casablanca

Just read reports from real estate firms - who have studied office, retail, hotel and warehousing space - demand and supply - Lagos has overcapacity - because the generator powered economy is not producing enough formal jobs to create demand for office or retail or hotel spaces.

FDI that flows into extractive industries have zero impact. It's only recently that Lagos has started to attracted Fintech. Nairobi attract the same. It need to attract a lot more than fintech within the service industries to generate demand for office spaces.

What helps Nairobi of course it's social capital of the world - NGOs and UNs - pump a lot of money - to Africa - mostly through Nairobi. This is not reflected in commercial transactions but create a lot of demand for high quality office, hotel and retail spaces.

Balogunodua:
Lolz..

What is all this rubbish your wrote up there Kenya develops organically with empty buildings all over the place...or how does Nairaobi beat Lagos in numbers of formal jobs or office space and demand when Lagos itself attract more foreign investment than the whole Kenya both in tech sector despite the fact that it has the most expensive office rent in Africa.

Private sector build skyscrappers. Gov rarely. Gov is suppose to built tram and rails. There are thefore not mutually exclusive. The money for building office blocks is not from gov coffers.

GeneralDae:
Kenyans seem to be in love with skyscrapers. To me, trams and rails in a city are way better infrastructures with insurmountable economic benefits.

I bet if they allowed it - they would built. The reason skycrappers are not built in developed world is because getting permits is almost impossible. Nigeria has no such excuses. Nobody has wanted to build and gov said nope...you can only build this height. You're not buiding it because there is no demand for office space.

samorobo:
Lol you are a fool. I guess Algiers,Casablanca,Rabat,Tuniare shiit hole zoo for not having skyscrapers. Lol the same Casablanca that humbles anything in Kenya .

Skyscrappers and apartments first are best use of urban land to avoid urban sprawl and traffic jams like Lagos.
Secondly skycrappers are mostly offices - and built by private developers.
They built it because there is huge demand for office space - and the land is pretty expensive - and they want to build so many units.
Apart from communist regime - like Tanzania - or Abuja planned cities - cities like Nairobi develops organically.
Someone comes, study office or hotel or residential demand, and built them. Nobody ask them - it's real estate market and their money.
That is effective demand. You will find Laogs has oversupply because there are that NOT many formal jobs being generated to occupy such buildings. And of course running a generator the whole day for lifts to work isnt funny.

Of course govs regulate the heights of buildings...and can decide to disallow tall buildings for any reasons.

Balogunodua:
The question is...does skyscraper equals development Or most a city have skyscrapers to become developed.

You're obtuse as always.
10 yrs ago I believe in top 100 banks in Africa by asset - kenya had one or zero bank in there - Poor Ghana is right there.
Nigeria had all the 18 banks after their forced mergers in Obasanjo regime.
Now as we speak - Kenya has more than 10 banks in Africa top 100.
And Equity has climbed to no 22 - it's only behind 4 Nigeria banks. It should overtake 2 banks in 2yrs
And in less than 5yrs it would have overtaken Zenith and First Bank.
10yrs ago - Equity bank total assets were 2B dollars - now it's grown to 12B dollars!! - 6 times in 10yrs.
KCB, CO-OP, NCBA, DTB, name them climbing each year.
Watch the trend.
So you'll find 5 kenyan banks ahead of all Nigeria banks

obaaderemi:
You've been singing the same Looney tunes for six years. Like someone said: if wishes were horses.

Do you expect Nigeria's banking sector to just suddenly stop growing. Nigeria' was in recession last year, yet our banks were the most profitable. What do you think would happen in a good year?

Example 1 - Equity Bank - grw total assets by 20%.

For the year to 31st March 2022 the Group's total assets and balance sheet grew by 19% from Kshs. 1,066.4 billion to Kshs. 1,269.5 billion compared to the corresponding period in the previous year while cash and cash equivalents declined by 31% from Kshs. 241 billion down to Kshs.May 12, 2022

Balogunodua:
Only if wishes were horse...

https://african.business/dossiers/africas-top-100-banks/
See how fast kenya banks are rising if you have been following the trends.
Equity now breathing down the neck - and so are KCB/Cooperatives.
And we just got DRC to join EAC
Meaning two/three years - Kenya banks will be become bigger than Nigeria
Brains at work.
Ethiopia soon will follow suit and allow foreign banks - kenya banks have been circling Ethiopia waiting for it to open up
DRC and Ethiopia is bigger than Nigeria - and less of zoos.

obaaderemi:
From the Bankers Magazine 2021



We compete with global banks not just African banks. No wonder one little Indian sees Nigeria's banking sector as a yardstick to compare his country's one with.

Likely to be on codeine syrup..an opiate drug...very common in Nigeria..cause grand delusions.

jl115:
Don't do drugs kids

Besides none of the skyscrappers have been built by gov - they are built by thriving private sector - not for show like say in Abuja - that PyongYang city of Nigeria - where half the building are empty - but they are built to satisfy demand for office spaces.

Shma:
Point of correction:

Development is "NOT ONLY" about skyscrapers and high rises, but also.... Other aspects that you know might define development. We're not that dumb to be ignorant of basics.

A Kenyan has spoken.

It's a zoo - when bad news like that dont even make to mainstream media in nigeria - leave international media. They have hit low levels such kidnapping is now common place occurrence...just like electricity of 2hours per day. People have accepted it, they worked around it, and have given up on seeing it change. You just grow up knowing kidnapping is part of normal life and electricity a luxury.

Only country that messed up in Africa is Somalia - and they are patching things slowly. Otherwise Nigeria is totally dysfunctional.

You can imagine the only way to know that people were kidnapped is many abandoned cars on the highway - it's surreal.

Baliv254:
every time they talk rubbish i just go to front page of Nairaland and see countless crisis and decide to just stay quiet- no need to kick a dog while its down, very sad situation.

Better because you say or because of facts.
Fact is Uhuru has grown economy from 4 trillion Kshs to now 12 trillion Kshs.
Average growth rate is 6 percent.
That is very good.

Excellent would be to do 10 percent.

Buhari has done -1 percent I think for 8 yrs.
Epic failure.
Not even security is better.
I have Nigerian friend - today he was telling me he is going to Nigeria next month after 5yrs - he will be in Abuja - afraid to visit his village.
Why - insecurtiy and kidnapping.
Crazy

Balogunodua:
Ivy league does not make someone super ordinary or any special... a failure is a failure no more no less.

And Buhari the school drop out is better than the failure called Uhuru....Fact.

Nigeria is great example of anything messed up. It's a template of a zoo. Nearly every indices out there has Nigeria at the bottom.

obaaderemi:
The Pained boy can't talk or breathe without mentioning Nigeria. He eats, drinks, and sleeps Nigeria.

The only European thing is Champions League. This must be the hilarious bridge to nowhere - when it was cheaper to build a road around the edge. No wonder you're using it to watch European football. Your are country of non serious low IQ people. One of the most dumb people in Africa. Maybe DRC is your only competition in there.

Kazikazi:
Shitholes won't reach these european levels....
tanzanite bridge, Tanzania

Uhuru has a serious drink problem - otherwise he has ivy league education - so he understand complex issues. The last time we had idiot - it was Moi - who is Buhari type primary school dropout.

Balogunodua:
Pot calling kettle black wonders..... The educated illiterate called Uhuru the drunkard is a total failure com President that has rendered Kenya a shithole country

Show me an African leader who is as smart as Meles; maybe Mwai Kibaki in his prime (not after two stroke and his average presidency)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mkHjtpGPaY

Tea only grow in highland

theenchanter:
calm down. The report said "largest Highland tea farm", not largest tea producer or largest tea estates.

Be calming down small small.

Meles Zenawi really turned around Ethiopia from a basket case that was last in every index like Nigeria into one of the promising countries before the current leaders took it back.

Meles was arguably the most intelligent leader to ever lead a country in Africa.

Turning a basket case like Nigeria - but without any minerals - into that - is pretty amazing. And that is what Meles did - growing Ethiopia last in last famine basket case - into a promising country.

People need to watch a couple of his videos to understand just how brilliant he was. Meles IQ was off chart. Left his medicine studies to go fight and then turned around his country growing it at double digit for almost 30yrs - without any minerals - from famine - and now you see Adis Ababa - and you see the miracle he did.

In meantime Nigeria which like DRC is incredibly blessed with natural resources has elected for two terms someone who went to almajiri school of begging and never completed primary education - and is functionally illeterate, old, lifeless and useless.

If you must elect a leader - please elect someone with IQ of at least 120-140. China and many asian countries run very serious meritrocracy with incredibly brilliant of the brilliant running things. Africa we have strong men.

gallivant:
Addis Ababa

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP2J7fXoAIBhsB.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP2J8xWUAAsQ-o.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRP2J-DWYAA_uJj.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRQplRtXIAA6pzh.jpg

Click baiting. That is small tea farm. Kenya is 3rd world large tea producer - and Kericho has some world largest tea estates

68816419:
The Largest Highland TEA FARM in Africa is NOT in Kenya but NIGERIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0FFttU1eM&t=170s

200K is small potato. Nigeria diaspora is doing great to invest back in Nigeria.

obaaderemi:
Honestly, when it comes to the private sector, few countries in Africa measure up to Nigeria. Poor leadership is really holding Nigeria back. That's why nonentities like Kenyans can talk here.

You deserve empathy - mental health issues is a real sucker.

Just40:
Every corner you turn, whether North, East, West or central and south of Accra you'll only find beauty and good living. Boy ... Like I've said here before, Nairobi needs 40 billion dollars in investment in order to catch up to Accra.

If we nail the housing thing in big 4 - build 500,000 units - eliminate Kayoles/such - and just get proper mass trasport - metro - South Africa is shadow. We are 10yrs behind them. By 2035 Nairobi will be Africa best city...if we keep up the tempo.

Shma:
I have enjoyed every bit of this video.
Somewhere in the middle, I thought we were in Singapore.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtgzRP3y5Dw

@rvp2018, you were right on catching up with jorburg - SA. We just need to fix our horizontal infr and everything will be perfect.


Nigeria is currently out of the league. The focus is now on SA and N.Africa.

We are and we have.
We have 10yrs old constitution that address most of the challenges.
We have laws that address such issues.
By law we required all appointments to reflect the face of kenya.
By law we required women to make 1/3 of all appointment.
By law we divided money to counties based on population, poverty index and other such parameters.
When we got oil in Turkana - we gave Turkana 30 percent of it - made turkana minister of oil
Because we want avoid Nigeria - where South East - were the oil comes from - are busy sabotaging the pipelines because they get nothing.
Money goes to Abuja - and now they want to secede so they can get oil money.
Then North Nigeria - has Sharia law - what kind of nonsense is that - how is Nigeria suppose to function as a country?
In Kenya - we have sharia law only for personal matters btw muslims - we have kadhis courts - but only for personal matters - divorces, such by two muslims willing to appear before it
Otherwise everyone stick to common law.

GeneralDae:
Why not face your tribalism in Kenya and your systematic issues that allows only a certain family or tribe to rule? Why not address the cause of the depressing tribalism in Little India with just 46 tribes (including India )?

You want to unite the country by the charisma of a leader?

Why not fix the systemic, structural and constitutional frameworks that makes division and disunity fester. Why not listen to what Ibos are saying and fix their issues for example. Why not have constitutional conference to address such issues. If it sharing natural resources - make a law that address the concern of the people.

You guys are funny for lack of a word - never too serious. You cannot unite a country for long by the charismatic talents of a leader.

chrisooblog:
Tinubu is a smart and brilliant politician no doubt but I personally think Nigeria needs an inspiring transformative leader who can unite and get everyone moving in the same direction. Asiwaju has his haters and detractors who may seriously hamper his efforts no matter how well intentioned should he become president. His frequent medical enforced visits to the UK also doesn't sit well with me considering what we've gone through with Bubu.

Nigeria doesn't just need economic solutions but someone who can help heal deep sitted wounds and inspire us to better.

Jomo Kenyatta was imprisoned for 7yrs for his role in armed resistance
And therefore deserve Kenya leadership - which he won in 1960s.
We have always conducted elections every 5yrs.
We are not a Zoo like Nigeria.
We have no military dictators that we recycle.
Uhuru was elected and has 80 days to go home.

obaaderemi:
All these bombings and sufferings for independence only to hand the country over to Mr. and Mrs kenyatta and their spoilt puppies.

New team to join Ndii.

How can you be helped when you cannot even admit the problems you have?

Naijasauce69:
Most countries on Earth with oil aren’t filthy rich. Oil isn’t a free ticket or magic. That’s a myth only believed by the ignorant and low IQs.

All those perimeters you listed Nigeria has better than Kenya.

Nigeria has one of the best commutes in the developing world. Far better than Kenya.

It has better electricity than Kenya.

It does have sewage systems. More than Kenya.

It has some of the best piped water by African standards. Better than Kenya.

It has one of the largest and fastest growing road and rail networks in Africa. Far ahead of Kenya.

It has the 4/5th best security in Africa leaving most of the insecurity happening in the smaller fringe communities. Terrorist defiantly aren’t strolling into the Heart of Nigerian capital cities and turning them into blood baths annually. How does a Somali terror group regularly terrorize Nairobi Zombies? Pathetic.

The more you try to reduce Nigeria; the more you reduce Kenya because Nigeria is superior to you by most perimeters.

Kenya is the most grand Zoo of all. A place where an adventure can see both large exotic animals living there natural lives in the wild along with (humans)Kenyans living in the same wild, in huts, or urban slum cages.


The only thing that appears to be absent here is your brain.

Exactly. They havent seen a bomb in their entire lives because none of it was ever dropped. They paid pure gold and british took enough of it.

Baliv254:
i dont think there are many independence struggles in africa that were fought in this manner
kenya was meant to be a settler colony like south africa was upto 1993, the british air dropped thousands of bombs in forests to attempt to snuff out the Mau mau, relocated hundreds of villages into concentration camps.

......

You are bunch of cowards that paid the British 76 billion dollars so they dont sit on your stool - and were handed back your country after they were done looting.
Kenya fought for their independence.
The British conducted many aerial bombing.
Kenyans taught many in Africa that British as much as they were a mighty empire could be fought.
South Africans learnt from Mau Mau and many other rebellions.

That is why our flag has prominent red to signify the great loss of blood to fight for independence

British Bombing.
Aerial bombing continued to be a British military practice after World War II, but there were some changes. The RAF, while no longer relying on fleets of bombers, maintained the ability to drop nuclear bombs in the event of a major war with the Soviet Union. That role was eventually taken from the RAF when, in 1968, Royal Navy missile submarines were designated to deliver nuclear weapons in the event of a war. However, the RAF and planes from the Royal Navy continued to use tactical bombing throughout the postwar period and into the 21st century. RAF and Royal Navy units dropped bombs in support of ground troops during the Korean War (1950-1953), the Falklands War (1982), the Persian Gulf Wars (1991 and 2003 to present), and in Afghanistan (2002-2014). Bombing was also used (though on a limited scale) to keep order in Malaya against communist rebels and against the Mau Mau Rebellion in Kenya.

Lincolns of No. 49 Squadron Attacking Mau Mau Hideouts with Bombs, Mount Kenya Beyond.

vankelvin:
Ghanaians see this they see bomb but Kenyans see this they see food. Hungry set of people

There is nothing you're doing.
You have oil - you have NO excuse to be poor.
You're bunch of ZOogerians living in a ZOO!
When I am in Nairobi or Europe my QOL (quality of life) is almost the same.
Basic stuff like electricity, internet, water, sewage, - kenya is better than some part of Europe.
FIX BASICS.
Dont come and tell us about tech startups or Dangote.

Tell us ABOUT
1) WORLD WORST COMMUTE
2) WORLD WORST ELECTRICITY
3) TOTAL ABSENCE OF SEWAGE
4) TOTAL ABSENCE OF PIPED WATER
5) TOTAL ABSENCE OF ROADS AND RAILS
6) TOTAL ABSENCE OF PERSONAL SECURITY

Nigeria and DRC - you need to FIX YOUR COUNTRY URGENTLY

GeneralDae:
We have more road networks and rails than Kenya, so what are you on about?
My point is about electricity, think about it. If we can be doing all these without so called electricity, then your bet is as good as mine with constant electricity.

You nigerians are messed up.
How the hell does an index on tech startups become a measure of quality of life in Lagos.
So having 10 or 20 tech companies more than Nairobi is something to shout about.
Majority of these start ups in Nigeria are diasporain Nigeria kids.
Heck if your football was exclusive club of diaspora kids... you'd be proud of a team of diaspora kids....born, brought up and nurtured in London or Newyork.
Fix the BASICS - Electricity, Water, Sewage, Roads, Rails - then come and talk.
You're just very stupid delusional people I have seen.

GeneralDae:
Isn't it surprising? They say investors don't come because we don't have peace or electricity, yet, out of 75 fastest growing companies in Africa, we have 21 and even Kenya with the electricity and better/faster Internet has 9.
Lagos alone (without electricity) and with 25 million people has 65 registered companies, same as the entire Kenya. Lagos is the number 1 start up ecosystem in the continent.

Lagos is now the top startup city in Africa.

Nigeria has increased significantly, gaining five spots to rank 63rd globally. It is the highest-ranking country in Western Africa and the 3rd highest-ranking country in Africa.

Lagos, Nigeria's most populous city, has surpassed Nairobi and is now the highest-ranking city in Africa, gaining five spots to 122nd. Lagos has also ranked in the global top 50 cities for E-commerce & Retail Technology and in the global top 100 for both Transportation Technology and Education Technology.

Ibadan saw a massive increase in ranking, jumping 601 spots to 353rd globally and 2nd in Nigeria, surpassing the Nigerian capital of Abuja. The latter, ranked 3rd nationally, fell 12 spots to 466th, while Port Harcourt decreased by six spots to 906th. The newest Nigerian city in the rankings, Enugu, ranks 978th globally and 5th nationally. Benin City has increased nine spots to 979th, while Kano jumped 14 spots to 981st.

In total, Nigeria has seven cities in the global top 1000 and continues to have the highest number of ranked cities of any African nation.

A mini zoo has 20 percent inflation, 20 percent base interest, 20 percent currency depreciation but at least you still get reasonable amount of electricity, some water, zero sewage and security.

Kenya is obviously not a zoo...at least most parts of it where most people live...we have problems where some parts are complete zoos...we are near south africa in unequal development..and that is our challenge. There are areas where poverty is almost 80-90 percent - those are mostly the northern parts of kenya that are remote, arid and wild.

Otherwise if you live in Nairobi - there is very little difference with Europe.

Just40:
please correct yourself ...

Ghana is not a mini zoo.... The fact that Kenya is does not mean everyone should be a zoo.