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China is 95% hans - they are homegenous. Federation and democracy yes worsen tribalism but also unleashed 'free market' like competition for resources which makes it more efficient than your dormant one-man or now woman systems. Instead of one Magufuli - TZ has a chance to create 10 magufulis every election - leaders who can transform their country.

Kenya we moved forward post Moi regime because of that. We had TZ like pronvincial system of une-elected gov appointed DCS and PCS. That never works. Accountable leaders are those elected by people - not picked by national gov based on whims.

We have CDF - each MP is given money for development - so they can fix issues facing their people - schools, roads, water, transformer for electricity.Now we have counties - with governors and their small parliament - fixing issues at that level. National gov the same.

There are many great mps and governors who have used little money to transform their areas - there are thieves - and useless ones - but rarely do they survive re-election. The firing rate is 70% of leaders go home every 5yrs.

Now imagine you useless DC or PC will retire - perform or not - at 60yrs.

Kazikazi:
How is China governed? China is so similar with Tz system of governance.
Actually,the federal system have been a failure in most African countries.Most africans are filled with tribalism, if u give them federations,their tribalism worsens as the case of Ethiopians. And again,federation are costly to run, just think of kenya,where many county's gov fails to pay salaries.

Change your constitution first. Tanzania is too big to be controlled from Dar. You need federation. More small Zanzibars will unleash the potential of the country. Magufuli possibly died of fatigue trying to macro-manage that huge country. TZ and DRC - need to be either split or federal system like Nigeria is needed - or even kenya devolved system.

Kazikazi:
They really depend on tanzania's favour to grow their economy

Nairobi Marathon on expressway - the road to be open to public in a week...completed in record 1.5yrs - way ahead of schedule despite covid-19


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cdGYdeL7J4

Even their hotels - name it - my friend normally sneak there and design them - and sneak back - they can never allow kenya proffesional to get work permit - but their useless proffesional cant hack it.

It a very cold day in hell when you have lazy dull Tanzania competing with Kenya

gallivant:
All the buildings in Dar are designed and built by Kenyans. Even your parliament was a Kenyan project, am I lying kumakazi?

Same bad reputation worldwide. You cannot blame Kenya Immigration for profiling west africans.

Just40:
As usual... Kenyans are dumb and unexposed

Crazy backward people


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIElZaNaC9g

But Kinshasa is their capital

GeneralDae:
Where you also in their capital? and when did you go there?

Natural resource curse or paradox. Nigeria airlines suspend flights - they cannot afford to buy oil - that is found plentiful in their country

Nigerian airlines are to suspend all flights from Monday over rising jet fuel prices, an umbrella organisation of operators said on Saturday.

https://nation.africa/africa/news/nigerian-airlines-suspend-flights-over-soaring-fuel-prices-3808566?fbclid=IwAR0LzMjHDW9j4Zd6TzSqT_PfnkzFiiJrKEcy2L2KzqK_D0Yz2KGv8kKvyag

I guess they have run out of military generals. They should re-cycle Obasanjo once again. He seems to have some clue of managing the mess that is Nigeria.

gallivant:
Lol

Or a sick senile drug baron.

Not the same. EABL is kenyan company that is now majority foreign owned (Daigeo 50% - Kenyans and other investors 50%). It's HQ in Nairobi and all its operation run from Nairobi.

GeneralDae:
It would be the equivalence of saying Jumia is a Nigerian company. Though it was founded by two Nigerians alongside two Germans in 2012.

Stick to Nigeria politics and dont elect a primary dropout nex tyear

obaaderemi:
I told you that one is more stupid than rip2018.

Ruto is even a bigger thief than kenyatta. How they expect a landgrabber who is never known to build any meaningful business in his life to do better than a kenyatta who is business oriented. Kenya is really hard up.

TZ & Uganda do British system- A-level (six years of secondary) - Kenya finish secondary with O-levels (only 4yrs of secondary). Kenya 8-4-4 (copied from Canada/US) requires one to go for pre-university of one year to study A-level maths and such. Those kids were therefore being taught A-level maths. If they had gone to kenya university - the first year is for such kind of things. Uganda or TZ should do 3 yrs of university - a Kenyan 4 yrs.

Kenya dumped the British system in 1984 - with end of East Africa community - and adopted Canada system of education - the 8-4-4 - extra year in primary - then 4yrs in secondary and 4yrs in university. What 8-4-4 did was to remove the A-level bottleneck that had choked our education systems and continue to choke TZ and Uganda....because they are few A-level secondary schools..

Now we have dumped 8-4-4 and adopted CBC - what likes of Finland uses.

Kazikazi:
I see u go too far.let me put brakes

These are your fellow Kenyans talking while studying with Tz students in turkey

IPPS cost nothing in capitation. We stopped them before we had to pay too much excess capacity. You're going to pay a billion dollars annually for idle turbines for a long time. That is stupidity of highest order. It almost all your oil royalties gone like that.

Just40:
It will cost your country almost 20 billion dollars of investment into electricity production in order to get to where Ghana is currently. And you'll need 40 billion dollars plust to get to where Nigeria is in energy production is.

They mostly distrust it and you will mostly pay in dollars.

Shma:
The last time I checked Ghana didn't have a currency. I heard they adopted the dollar.

You can reduce that by 20 percent - after cedis dropped by 20 percent
So their real GDP per capita is now less 1950usd.

Shma:
Fact is here

$72billion ÷ 33million.

= $2181.8

You're an idiot. There is recommended reserves - something like 10-20 percent. Then there is idle excess capacity that Ghana is paying 1B dollars free money to IPPS.

Just40:
You are just a mad man

I intentionally mentioned reserve and excess just to confuse you and see how easy it was....

You don't know that excess capacity is a reserved capacity for rainy days

You are such a dumb kid

The US government pays billions for it reserve power station in DC just for when ever it needs to rely on it.

That is called futuristic planning

Nearly every kenyan company in nearly every sector has something going on in the region.
If it's banks - you're talking about 15 banks.
Insurance companies - 15 plus
Manufacturing - all over.
Hotels - all over.
Airlines/Aviation
Name anything

GeneralDae:
I didn't mix it up, I clearly explained we would come to outflows. If I say list ten of your biggest outflows, I know I would get a list like this:

1) Mpesa
2) Mpesa
3) Mpesa
4) Mpesa
5) Mpesa
6) Mpesa
7)Equity Bank
Tea
9) Flower
10) Mangoes

This is not your stone-age farms. These are some world biggest farms running large greenhouses. Kenya leads in Africa and account for 25 percent of all Europe sold flowers. Ethiopia is second after kenya companies went there.

Just40:


Imagine boasting that Nigeria wee growers or Ghana wee growing have farms in Togo

There are so many - for example East Africa Breweries - one of Africa largest breweries

GeneralDae:
For outflows, list ten of those Kenyan companies you said are unaccountable.

Set up shops - figuratively - mean they went establish the farms - and infrastructure - neccesary to ship (again be talking planes) to europe.

theenchanter:
idiot, don't deviate, u said it urself that Kenyan flower companies are the guys that set up shops in Ethiopia, and it's fdi.

Focus, comrade.

There is difference btw having reserve and having excess. You're paying a billion dollar for excess capacity.

Just40:
You're just stupid

The Germans and French and almost the entire Europe who have shut down their nuclear plants and redirected all investment from renewables to invest in thermal energy plants are stupid, is that what you're saying ?


As long as there is an abundance of cheat gas, Thermal units will continue to generate the bulk of the world electricity.

It is only stupid and un serious countries that do not have excess capacity and ever reserve energy capacity. Countries who do not have turn to be countries who are not planning ahead.

Almost ever serious country I know has reserve capacity and excesses for peak seasons and future growth.

You mean a nigerian man going to ghana and setting a shop is fdi
No that is probably illegal in many countries.
Nobody allow foreigners to come and do informal trading.
We certainly wont allow you in kenya to come.
FDI has minimum investment of I think 100K usd.
That allows you to register as foreign investor - bring in foreign investment.
Some countries have it higher or lower
But certainly no sane country allows shopkeepers from another country to open shop.

theenchanter:
no, not farm.... Shops, idiot.

You're mixing inflows and outflows. We are talking outflows.

GeneralDae:
Kenyan regional companies are unaccountable? Are you serious?? I mean do you even believe some of what you peddle sometimes??
Anyway before we delve into the topic of regional companies, let's talk about inflow of investments. This is from your own Kenyan website on capital investments into African countries in 2021, note that Nigeria receives these investments despite being ranked as low as 14th best country in Africa to invest in.

Nigeria emerged the fastest-growing hub on the continent in terms of capital investments, attracting $6.6 billion, followed by South Africa ($3.8 billion), Angola ($3.1 billion) and Morocco with $2.4 billion in investments.
The telecommunications service sector received the highest capital investment totalling around $8.5billion, with the largest investments focused on Nigeria and South Africa as remote working and hybrid work models raised the demand for transformative business solutions.

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/nigeria-leads-africa-in-foreign-investment-inflows-3652190

On a side note many of our tech companies have regional branches. Even in Entertainment, cinemas like Silverbird have West African branches, but we would get into all of that shortly.

What do you think FDI is - if kenya agricluture company come to Nigeria and set up a farm - that is FDI.

theenchanter:
if the bolded is what u mean by Kenya's fdi to other African countries, then u're a certified mad man.

Thermal generators are available anytime on the market. Only stupid countries in West Africa call for them and have to them excess or idle capacity.If you were investing in hydro or geothermal or even solar one would admire it - at least Tanzania and Ethiopia are doing that - but procuring thermal generators - that you cannot provide gas or oil - and have to pay 1B dollars excess charge annual - is so typical of your BONOBOS.

And you dont even buy - you just promised IPPS to bring it - and you will pay for them - they ship it the same day - and then you struggle to pay for it.

There is small difference btw Nigeria and Ghana. Ghana run large generators. Nigerians like a million small generators in their backyards.

Just40:
and you think with your 2000Mw generation capacity will be able to match countries with triple and almost 10 times your capacity? Anyway, by the time your country is able to make similar investment to achieve that level of install capacity, you'll learn sense



This world is really funny oo

This problem esp in Nigeria. They invested in 12,000MW - spent billions of money - but peak production is not even 4,000MW - sometimes it even goes below 2,000MW. The reason the generating companies cannot for some reasons run the turbines all the time or when they run the distribution network collapses. And solution is to fix those structural issues...not invest in new plants.

Kazikazi:
African politicians will always mention installed capacity instead of talking about what a plant generates in a daily basis.I think most africans are thinking the same way that's why they hardy question it.These africans believe once u setup a power plant,then all the wattage will be available to consumers

Nigeria regional companies are countable. Kenya are not. In almost every sector - kenya companies have expanded regionally - it didnt start now - it started in late 90s. When kenya economy sunk in 1990s under the weight of sanctions, corruption and mismanagement - kenya companies took advantage of EAC (new) - and expanded to Uganda and Tanzania - and that expansion has gone further south to even South Africa - furthern north to Ethiopia/South Sudan - and even West Africa.

Name any sector - from even agricluture - kenya flower companies are the guys who went to Ethiopia and set up shop. Any sector kenya companies have expanded. The only competition was South Africa....but they are retreating. South Africa companies started also expanding around the same time - with end of apertheid and start of ANC.

As for Nigeria - you got Dangote, banks, fintech and globacom. FINITO. Almost every kenya company has regional branches.

GeneralDae:
What sectors are you talking about?

Speaking about non oil and gas investments, Nigeria is a powerhouse in Banking with the exception of South Africa and Egypt, Nigerian Banking sector is unrivalled. We also have big companies like Interswitch, Konga, MainOne, etc.
Out of a list of 75 fastest growing companies between 2017 and 2020, Nigeria has 20 Companies, South Africa has 24 and Kenya comes 3rd with 9.
If you take away Oil, Gas, Agriculture, Mining, etc, Nigerian investments would still outperform Kenya on average.

In every sector you will find kenya companies in the region. Apart from South Africa - no other Africa country come even close.

GeneralDae:
Okay let's discuss non oil and gas investments in both Nigeria and Kenya. Nigeria still wins there lol. So apart from Safari com and your biggest Bank, what other big Kenyan investments do you export?

Last I checked fintech was tight competition btw tiny Kenya and giant (of nonsense) Nigeria. Kenya receives non-mineral FDI. Nigeria and most of Africa receives almost exclusively mineral or extractive FDI - which has had zero impact.

And kenya is also source of FDI - this year alone we are investing more than a billion dollars in Ethiopia through Safaricom. Almost 1000 kenya companies have expanded to the region.

theenchanter:
it's a known fact that minerals do help economies, but what rvp is trying to claim is that Kenya, unlike most African nations, excluding SA attracts fdi cos of minerals while Kenya attracts fdi cos they have high human resources.

Little did the idiot know that Nigeria's startup alone attracts more investment than their fdi.

Minerals can provide capital - for smart countries to invest in other sectors. South Africa did this. Nigeria and DRC congo are facing Nigeria Natural Resources curse. You are world leading poverty capital. That GDP per capita - if you remove Oil production from it - about 100B dollars - what have you got?

obaaderemi:
Minerals never help anyone, yet south Africa thrives on it and Nigeria with all the corruption and mismanagement has a higher GDP per capita than little India despite having over three times the population.
Without oil, do you think Saudi would be as rich or powerful as it is?

Exactly. Installed capacity is nothing if the turbines are not turning like Nigeria or Ghana because the generating company is broke or has no gas or oil. The measure to look for is GWH. It is what is actually generated per hour.

Kazikazi:
Those are figures dished out recklessly by politicians
But on ground, S.A. is doing around 20's hence the load sheddings,same with naija and less than 10gw.And remember these are the 2 biggest economies.
But south Korea is at about 127gw, a tiny nation like that is doing far more than all of us in sabsaharan africa.

we have almost zero manufacturing

obaaderemi:
Russia GDP per capita = $11000
South Africa = $7000

The extra $4000 difference is more than twice Kenya's GDP per capita. If Russia is third world then Kenya is 10th world.

There is no difference..from 4,000 to 12000 they considered upper middle income..not developed.They are third world.Kenya just need to double it's GDP per capita to be equal to Russia.

You can get any stupid list online. First understand the subject.

theenchanter:
Kenya is not in top 10.

Egypt is 1st with $56.2b