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I know you think because you build a few houses - you think Nairobeans dont live in suburbs;
My friend the whole Nairobi metro is endless suburbs.
They are called Nairobi bedroom - about half of people working in Nairobi - live in those satellites towns and estates.

And the land in Nairobi metro are expansive former ranches - running into thousands of endless acres.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAmmYpbgHt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05XQbH7wcqI

Just40:
yes it is true ... Hence why 8 million Nairobians live in slums while only 2 million can afford suburban lifestyle, mostly made up by expatriate.

Just 40 madness - Kenya buys gazillion of plots in Nairobi Metro - everywhere you will see plots for sale

This example - Kiambu county - kamakiz -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05XQbH7wcqI

By west africa standard - yes - I know you're looking for expansive slumpolis - full of rusted iron sheet roofed hovels.

dreamxhaser:
Those things are not qualified to be called cities

Adi me why and I'll explain

You're angry but facts are stubborn.
Very stubborn..especially those backed by videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MjIXdsHhxM

dreamxhaser:
Ok Kenya is NOT a one city country.

DICK

Not true. Even people who live in slums eventually move to Nairobi metro suburbs. Out of nearly 8M people in Nairobi metro - half of them live in the metro - half live in Nairobi City. It's very difficult to move from eastland to westland - the houses are just too expensive - but people move to Ngong, Kitengela, Sykoima, Athi River, Kamulu, Ruiru, Kiambu, Kikuyu, Ongata Rongai, Kiserian, Juja and such area - and buy land - and build their houses.

There are just gazillions of plots for sales....very cheap.

In fact kenyans ar obssesed with buying plots - I would describe as one leading business in kenya

Just40:
so you've been living in another slum ..... Most Kenyans have remained in messy Eastland all their live and will never taste suburban lifestyle

Take a few minutes and watch those videos. Then repeat after me. Kenya IS NOT a ONe CITY country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eh1VohvwRg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MjIXdsHhxM

dreamxhaser:
I can only remember kenyas advertising Nairobi and Monbasa here


Mombasa also looks good tho

I dont think you have been paying attention coz Kenya has Mombasa, Kisumu, Eldoret and Nakuru as cities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MjIXdsHhxM

Technical Eldoret is not a city but soon will be - plus others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eh1VohvwRg

dreamxhaser:
I have been following this thread since 2018, before the other was closed.

Anyways you just have to accept that Nigeria is not a one or two cities country. Unlike Kenya

I can list 10 different Nigerian cities for you, while in Kenya it's only Nairobi.
You grab?

I lived there 20yrs ago - got a wife there. It decent place to start life in Nairobi and work your way to the west side of Nairobi. Most kenyans generally start from eastland - where rent is affordable - then either move to Nairobi metro suburbs - or if lucky to Nairobi west part - proper middle and upper class.

Buruburu shopping center is as big as what you showed.

Just40:
good luck convincing your buruburu mates that they live in an estate.... Most of them consider it a poor slum and relic of the past

Not in Kenya.
In Kenya public participation is KEY
Our is democracy - Not North Korea.
Gov has to involve us in such decisions.
Public participation is key constitutional requirement in anything our gov does.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Government gives direction on developments and how the country should look in future.

That's then developers gravitated towards that

That is like shopping center of an estate like Buruburu

Just40:
too tiny to match this area...

Home to GCB 3rd HQ, Barclays HQ, SC, and Shopping centers

Smart, green, eco, tech is NOT MUTUALLY exclusive with Skyscrappers.
Skyscrappers being built are now green, eco, smart and name it.
Skyscrappers are built because it's best use of space.
Without apartments and skyscrappers - the city would sprawl into suburbs - and that present commute challenges.
It also take away farm land, wetlands, forests and etc.
Kenya has not even started on it.
We still have 70 percent of our population that need to urbanize.
That requires like 10 Nairobis in the near future.

As for South Africa - we know what problem is - like the US - it's white folks running away from inner cities - to suburbs.
Inner cities become drug and criminal havens.
This is not happening in Asia or Europe.

That kind of racial seggreation of urban settlement problem exist only in USA and South Africa.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Skyscrapers are a 20th century things.

21st century is about about smart, green, Eco, tech cities of which don't include skyscrapers. Skyscraper battle in late. If you chasing 20th century SA skyscrapers you are in the wrong race

We building 21st century things

Talk is cheap.

Mombasa road business district is bigger than anything in Ghana.

It's HQ of Airtel Kenya, my bank DTB, big media house Standard group amongst others.

Just40:
dreams

My entire business district is 10 times larger than your 2km business district

Invest in proper sewage like this 4,000 acre one in Kenya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGJr8JMrWk

Just40:
Dream on


Don't ever think that, the nonsense you Kenyans do is done everywhere

Mashujaa museum - Nairobi has long way to get to South Africa kind of level in arts and museum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQeZ9wYa7Qg

That is you entire business district

Just40:
When harmattan arrives

No in Ghana they literally dump it to ocean.

Just40:
They will treat their sewage to produce gas for the resident .... This is what green and sustainable development is. All highrise buildings, schools,malls and hospitals use this innovation.

Innovation escaped Kenyans does not mean it escaped everyone such that you guys are still fetching poop in gallons in this day and age.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Isn't it odd that some developers come to do projects that are no longer being done world wide, I believe governments sets direction on what kinda developments it needs in the country

Gov of North Korea no doubt otherwise projects go through approval process where ideally residents or neighborhood should object or accept.. ideally all skyscrapers should be located in a specific zone.. mostly business districts.City that sprawl encounter serious challenge mostly traffic

AfriqueDuZuid:
I can tell you now skyscrapers sites not make economic sense. Yes in 20th century but not in 21st century.

Countries are sampling work at home regime,... You know what that means?

All I get is that now Nairobi has overtaken us in skyscrapers... we need an excuse.Developers determine what best.. for them.Dubai is an expansive desert but they are building up.

Appisko:
The Harmonia residence The project located @ the Airport residential area

Where will they dump the sewage

AfriqueDuZuid:
Thats because in time things evolve

That's why many African countries will never be developed because they are chasing, what the developed are abandoning.

When the developed world is building sustainable cities, green cities, eco friendly cities, smart cities..... Some African countries are adopting what the developed world has realized is not good.

I.e skyscrapers,... Even

skyscraper can be all that and more.private sector build whatever they want.. whatever makes economic sense

Chinese incredible construction machinery meets Kenya can-do attitude.
Project started in midst of covid-19 - Mid- June 2020
Completion - April 2022
Duration - 2 years - 3 months ahead of schedule

Status as Dec: 90 percent done; All civil & structural work done; now just laying the final tarmac and beautification done


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3h1gDDacYA

Nairobi expressway beautification - Nairobi to maintain it's green city in the sun - all columns to be planted with plants - and the median flowers

And you will steal here some idiots saying Accra is greener than Nairobi

gallivant:
Green City under the Sun

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRBWj33VAAAu8Wx.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR7QyGDUcAE-xtR.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR7Q0BOUEAApsxe.jpg

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eugy4_jXMAkyz4Q.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eugy4_oXIAsX9Om.jpg

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eugy4_jXcAA3G1k.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGThNtFXMAA-Cb3.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHuHmrBXkAU6-HP.jpg

Kazi bure - why did you build that bridge Tanzanians!!!!!!!

Obaboon, Let do basic English comprehension.

In Kenya, some 90 percent of students who took the 2017 secondary education exams failed. Opposition lawmakers are calling on the government to investigate why so many students did not pass. The minister of education, however, expressed satisfaction with the results.

In short they failed to qualify for university entry (C+) and the gov is happy because we dont need that many graduates without formal jobs.

Obviously for a society that had become obsessed with sending kids to university - Kenya had to get used to sending their kids to become plumbers - so dont import from India like Nigeria does.

obaaderemi:
RIP2008, I got it from here:

Are you saying you don't know what's going on in your own country?

Kids who dont qualify to join universities - are not failures - they may not be academically gifted but they can choose to become craftsmen, artisans and other proffesionals. In kenya everyone now is entitled to higher educations loans - and they can choose to study anything

https://www.helb.co.ke/helb-products/helb-loans/tvet-loans/

Now imagine if Nigeria was exporting plumbers instead of BA (economics) who end up driving taxis. The plumbers in US or UK will earn significantly more.

Obaboon just to butt in where do you get 90 percent failure rate?

As far as I know we have no failures - we dont import plumbers from India?

Those that miss university entry - get scholarship - similar to university kids - to study in technical and vocational colleges

The government is offering sponsorships to students who scored grades as low as 'E' in Technical and Vocational Education and Training (TVET) colleges in the country.

The students will be assigned to the institutions through the Kenya Universities and Colleges Central Placement Service (KUCCPS) - a state corporation established under the Universities Act, 2012 to coordinate the placement of government-sponsored students to universities and colleges.

obaaderemi:
I can see you are even above Morocco and Egypt. Nobody takes data from little India seriously anymore.

With the way your students fail their final exam no other data is needed. What with nurses failing an international basic literacy exam?

The Seychelles minister talking about hiring kenayn teachers was just being polite. He was putting your stvpid president on. In fact there are more Nigerian teachers working in Kenya than Kenyan teachers working in Seychelles.

Lastly, can you please explain why 90% of your students fail their final exam yearly? At least your dumb master, RIP2008 gave an explanation, though illogical.

WHY ARE YOU LOOPING KENYA IN - if It was a kenyan saying anything about Azania- you'd have blown a head casket already

AfriqueDuZuid:
Actual population in real urbanized areas

Nigeria 27%
Kenya 13%
Sa +50%

The rest is rural, farm, and slums

If we go by the ctual definition of slums places like khayelitsha Philippi, and many others won't count

I can confirm that is Lagos - the Africa Mega Slumpolis - twin city to Kinshasasa.

jl115:
Is this not Lagos city?

And who asked you for yours - Almajiri begging the streets of Kaduna?

theenchanter:
nobody asked for ur freaking opinion, don't be insecure over slums, that's ur birthright in Kenya, we all know that.

For the umpteenth time - the Zoogeria and the mini zoo - really need to understand what a slum and a slumpolis look like

Below is example 2 - Mukuru slum complex of Nairobi - with Imara daima estate.

That is slum - what you have in west africa is slumpolis - entire metropolis look like one huge slum without any zoning or planning - save for Abuja.

If you must lie - dont use India pictures. South Africa have slums no doubt but Nigeria entire cities are slums. Nairobi has slums but Lagos is a slum. A city that has no planning nor zoning - is an integrated slum.

If you check the picture below you can clearly see the slum from decent areas.

Apart from Abuja - most west african cities are hodgepodge of slums - slumpolis.

Below is Kibra and Ngumo estate - that is how cities that are planned but where poverty exists - like South Africa or Kenya or India looks like.

But west africa - your cities look like Ibandan - expansive slumpolis

68816419:
On a serious note sA have far more slums than any country in Africa, even much more than the ultimate slum capital of the world Kenya
The almighty cape slum
Durban south Africa(this city alone have over 300,000 slums)