₦airaland Forum

You're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. This is Kisumu city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ppqythttE&feature=emb_logo

obaaderemi:
From everything I've seen about your show, it's clear the little Indians have been cooking their data on everything from education to housing to economy, etc.

Heck, the country is all about Nairobi, and even that only about a few places.

Kazikazi:
Don't mention again shat shithole company called ARM,it's gone to the grave for good.
At least now you agree,your capacity is far less than Tanzania's.

When did I agree..our consumption last year topped 10m ..more than your installed capacity.

Shma:
Well said. But don't blame anybody. A lot of Ghanaians( hobbits) and Nigerians are flooded in Kenya 'just to see Nairobi modernity.' I was not even surprised about what he said. ...

it's more like coping mechanisms to deal with their failure to create a thriving city..so attribute Nairobi to whites.. Kenya real estates is 99 percent black..infact I wish Kenyans invested in manufacturing instead

AfriqueDuZuid:
Same as Egypt, or Algeria, even Tanzania, Morocco, Ethiopia, Nigeria etc had larger economy than any country in Central africa

factual.. Nigeria can claim that..what is wrong with it..you'd love to restrict Kenya to east Africa after we left your country alone to avoid your wrath

One company can have huge capacity - so don't be slow as usual - try THINK.
Our cement companies are not little - nearly all of them have regional subsidiaries - like in any other sector controls the region.
ARM - was in Tanzania.
Bamburi - is in Uganda.
Simba cement - is in Uganda
Bamburi has two factories - Simba cement two factories.
Etc etc

Now if Kenya cement consumption is already 8.5M tonnes.

How can installed capacity be less than - infact maybe last year we hit 10M

The 2021 Leading Economic Indicator also revealed that cement usage rose 22.58% to 4.780 million metric tonnes in the first half of 2021 from 3.897 million metric tonnes last year.26 Oct 2021

Kazikazi:
Friend, you have only 5 little companies. Where is this 12 mtp is produced?
Tz is ahead of you

Treat Africa=Sub Sahara Africa mostly. The Magreb are in the same level with South Africa.

Just40:
It doesn't even come close to Morocco


When we are talking about financial centers in Africa, your country does not even come in top 10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf6Mzc5Gz8A

Or like Buhari you can claim it was eaten by a goat - and there was no other copy

theenchanter:
u say?

Africa is a continent of 50 cities - if your capital city look crappy - then rest of the country is certainly more crappy. Kenya tourism account for I think 2.5 percent of the economy. Only folks who care about tourism are along the Kenya coast. Nairobi nobody gives a damn about tourist or tourism...they are rare...white and asian in Nairobi are either citizens or expats....most tourists hate Nairobi enough not spend even a night there...they just come for different experience.

Nairobi grew because it became social capital of a troubled region - in the horn of Africa - kenya has been most peaceful - avoiding coups and civil wars - and Nairobi became the epicenter for NGOS and rebels - Uganda fought for 20yrs - Sudan forever - Ethiopia long civil wars - somali wars - DRC congo - and they rush to Nairobi for a breather or to seek medical help or their kids education or buy property with looted money - the UN and NGOS also descent in Nairobi to coordinate humaniterian activities.

That lead to sustained real estate market for high end properties - both retail, hotels and offices.

GeneralDae:
I mean just like Kigali in Rwanda, the first thing everyone is exposed to in Kenya is Nairobi and you are more focused on Tourism than Nigeria.

Kenya installed capacity is 12m last I checked.

Kazikazi:
Which statistics?
Tanzania has a cement production capacity of 10.6mtp which Kenya you have less than that.
And again,Tz has 13 cement companies while Kenya has only 5.

Then,you still want me to believe fake stats?

I never heard of anybody in Kenya or kenya gov promoting Nairobi for tourism. Tourists do not come to Nairobi - they go to Maasai Mara to watch animals - then retreat to coast to swim in warm sandy world class beaches. They sleep day one in Nairobi - and on their last day - probably. Why would a tourist come to see an African city?

So this our Nairobi of us has grown organically - without any oil injection like Abuja - it's just boom with economy - in 1960s & 70s - kenya economy was booming - Nairobi started to build skyscrappers - till late 80s - when economy went into rough patch - it stopped growing until 2005 - and it has been growing on steroids.

Bottom line - city grows or deteriorate with the economy.

GeneralDae:
Exactly. The Kenyans promoted this their Nairobi so well, why for us we never saw Tourusm as important because of oil, and so everyone who comes to Nigeria is first exposed to MMIA and mainland lagos .
Lekki/Ikoyi are there with their Hotels, Skyscrapers, and what have you. Constant electricity is not a problem in some parts of Nigeria, if you can pay for it. Just that it's better the Government provides constant electricity and for all especially.

The major problem visitors have with Lagos (usually extrapolated to all of Nigeria) is that it is fast and rugged. People want somewhere a bit relaxed, but there is Jos and of course Abuja or Lekki if you have the money.

I suggest they do that - after sorting electricity I would hate to live in place with generators. That sucks big time.

Shma:
I believe this is sarcasm. .. Cos man, Nigeria is building with no plans. Nice buildings integrated with shanties can't impress anyone. Try to implement zoning laws, focus on green tech, building codes, landscaping, and nature parks, Then you'll be good to go.

Upperhill is 2nd to Sandton in terms of being financial center - number of banks and insurance HQed there. Maybe Nigeria Victoria VI come third?

Shma:
Not the entire upper hill but definitely one of the best upper hill aerial views.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO0ZP6MLWM

INSTALLED CAPACITY - in consumption - you're operating at half. And that data is really old

68816419:
Nigerians are not complaining, we have the money Mazze, why do you think our consumptions keeps going up?

But it's has larger economy than any country in central Africa - and it belong to Africa.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Kenya is not a central African country

About 4-5 dollars -max 6 dollars - nigeria I think 10 even 12 dollars.

theenchanter:
how much is a 50kg bag of cement in Kenya?

You must have bought bespoke designs - looking at the renders why would you need such an extravagant intersection? Lagos with world worst commute is crying for those.

68816419:
Cross River state (South East)
construction of spaghetti flyover, rehabilitation and dualization of Calabar-Odukpani highway

Idle talks. PISA like assessment accross countries have been done over the years - and Kenya kids are only competing with Mauritus in Africa. You compete as always with Somalia and Burundi...though you beat them in number of kids out of school...in streets begging.

obaaderemi:
If Nigerian kids sit for exams in Kenya, the pass rate would be close to 100. If your kids are failing exams simply because they are asked to analyse stuff, then it shows they've been poorly prepared and frivolous on their own part.

Same goes for your nurses, who struggle to pass basic literacy exams. Kenya's education is bad. Simple.

Mad cow it's how Ghana measure electricity access - if a community or village has some wires - then you declare everyone has electricity - dont worry India has similar methodology - it's very misleading

For this reason, although MoP estimated electricity access in 2010 to be about 72% (meaning 72% of Ghana's population lived in communities with access to electricity ...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307968902_Toward_universal_electrification_in_Ghana

Just40:
it's a simple question.... No need for your lunatic epistle

The fact that your country send electricity to communities and don't connect the houses does not mean we do same..

What is the plan to sell cement - about 3 times lower like Kenya. Otherwise this good for Rabiu & his few employees- and bad for Nigeria. It's better if you were to continue importing - for surely manufacturing something that is almost 4 times more expensive than global prices is crazy

68816419:
Nigeria Industrialization sure, This what we call equal development across all region
Abdulsamad Rabiu of BUA will this morning host President Buhari to commission this newly built 3 million ton cement plant in Sokoto. [/b]The Kano billionaire and second richest man in Nigeria is building two more plants in [b]Edo and Adamawa to take their production to 20 million tons with a a 48 megawatt power plant for Sokoto Cement line 3 in Sokoto State

I was taking my niece to college recently - and I asked her about exams - and she confirmed - Kenya exams since 2015 changed from Nigeria type crap (List or Name this) - into analytical exams - she told me in all subject except maybe CRE and Agri.

If West Africa kids were to sit for Kenya exams - failure rate will be close to 100 percent. In fact I recall reading getting kids scoring an A in Kenya biology (should be one simplest STEM) has become so hard..medicine courses have issues.

In short - you get what you measure - I am sure kids in Burundi and Nigeria pass their easy exams - but when will you make the turn for better and really measure that critical thinking skills?

obaaderemi:
It remains to be seen if this will stem the woeful failure Kenya's final year secondary school students always encounter.

If we used Ghana method of measuring electricity access - we would be 100 percent - because you basically count community access - as electricity access

Between 2014 and 2016, the government of Kenya embarked on an extensive electrification project targeting all schools. Schools near the grid network were connect to grid electricity while those further received solar photovoltaics. This increased the share of schools with electricity from 56% in 2014 to 94% in 2016

Then we have supplied 99 percent of all schools with digital tools

digischoo.go.ke

Just40:
2022 and your schools are now getting electricity?

Having long rolled out digital platforms in all primary and secondary schools - that involved electrifying all schools, giving them tablets, laptops and audio-visual equipment's - Kenya has launched virtual lessons to address teacher shortage.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/education/article/2001435658/tsc-rolls-out-virtual-lesson-plan-allowing-schools-to-share-tutors
National (best) schools will adopt poor schools and live stream lessons to selected schools - one teacher can adopt 5 schools
https://cdn.standardmedia.co.ke/images/wednesday/vgnepkdoz3rqxkfu61f188618fe3e.jpg.

The most stupid statement of the day. New IDPS are being generated daily by BOKO HARAM. Kick BH out first. Then go for other Islamic JIhadist and cattle rustlers.

68816419:
Reasons why you wont longer find any IDP Camps in Maiduguri

Kaduna doesnt impress anybody outside Nigeria.

68816419:
here is how tiny Inner roads looks like in Kaduna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVovn6AnnE

You are too slow..like Nigeria. By time you're done...Kenya would have build 3 times more projects. PROJECTS NEED TO BE EXECUTED ON TIME, ON COST AND ON QUALITY. That mean you only begin a project when you have the money and you hire competent firms.

Dont be Ghana - my peace corp friend told me - it mortuary of failed projects all over the country.

Look at your SGR - you're now going into 6yrs - you began in 2017 April - and it still far from over - you may ride that train 10yrs later

Kenya we pulled SGR In 2yrs almost - 18 months ahead of schedule - started in 2014 and by 2017 it was operation. And it MSA-NBO - twice your Morogoro project - that will be completed in 2027

Look at Nairobi Expressway - almost one year - nailed.

Kazikazi:
....and Tanzania is building more projects than Kenya.Just on railway alone,we are pouring more than 14b for Africa's longest SGR project!
I can't mention little stuff like road constructions and gov buildings,that is too much,imagine in Dodoma alone,we have about 5b worth of projects.

What makes a country part of a region? DRC the biggest Central African country just joined EAC or say Great Lakes Region or Sub-Sahara region or Supra-Sahara. It also factual to say XYZ is biggest in East, West and Central Africa - or simply say outside South Africa in Sub-Sahara Africa - or even to say north of Limpompo river and south of Sahara desert? All those are innocent geographical constructs that should not make you angry.

You should contribute to substantive issues - not tangential issues - in an argument

AfriqueDuZuid:
You cannot be biggest in West and Central when you are not part of those regions.

It's impossible for a Ukraine to say biggest in East and West Europe while it's located in East Europe.

So Kenya cannot claim biggest in Central while its not in Central or West regions

Usual nonsense.Your budget tells us everything.Kenya is building things all over the country and at faster rate than Nigeria can dream of.Dont console yourself with its only tiny CBD.To match Kenya you need to do things four times..more.

68816419:
man, on a serious note, there is nothing spectacular about these projects, these are types of projects you find in smaller states in Nigeria. Our major issue with Kenyans is the fact that , %90 of your projects are concentrated at around Nairobi CBD. In Nigeria, take Borno state for example, the state just recently completed a huge flyover/underpass bridge , while the second one is ongoing, the state is also expanding it's sporting facilities and dualizating all it's roads, mega schools are also been built across the state and not only at Maiduguri(state capital) .kaduna buit massive 5 flyovers bridge in spate of 2 yrs,63+ dualized roads, massive sports centers among other massive projects, Ebonyi is also building 7 new beautiful flyovers, New international airport, new stadiums, massive road projects, and one of thelargest mall in Nigeria.
Rivers State is a no go area, the state is about completing it's 9 and 10th massive flyovers Bridges, akwa Ibom state is another state with countless flyover Bridges projects, new International airport, new stadiums...
I wouldn't dare to even mention Lagos and Abuja trust me,the projects in these states are mind blowing. Just today the state starts another massive flyover bridge at around Ojota asis of Lagos mainland, 4th mainland (34km) bridge is about to begin, 15km alternative lekki region road is getting completed, 6 lanes lekki epe express way is nearing completion as well,30km+ 10 lane oshodi expressway will be completed very soon, and countless other projects
Man, Nairobi can only compete with states like kaduna or even Borno when it's comes to road and highway Infrastructures.

Here some of such projects in northern Nigeria

Borno recently commissioned projects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNHd2_ZEq3I
Admawa state ( North East)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yTJ4SaoDSY
Kano
This state alone have far more of such projects than the whole of Kenya


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2mK2fev6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7PwgH8Atuo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zLpf6LtJUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TteDWC2z_S0

Commissioning of some project in 3 cities in kaduna state namely,Kaduna town,Zaria and Kafancha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA9pjtC9Il8
How all the 63 + dualized roads in all the cities in kaduna looks like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fbAa24x4NI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksanicffV5M

KDF Cadet training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe4BsLEvn8E

Is this in Thika or in Kabete barracks. It's intersection of james gichuru & redhill
At end of this video - you can see the cranes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7uxRRuNzc&feature=emb_title
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Shma:
Biggest army referral in east, west and central Africa has just is under construction in thika.

Use future tense. Eko City is currently a lonely white elephant in the corner of Victoria Island.

samorobo:
Look I know a lot about waterfall city and most development in SA owing to the fact that I watch “livinginSA”. So yeah I can confidently tell you that waterfall is yet another menlyn city,rose bank,sandton and the likes,nothing futuristically impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zVMC0F3B5s

The canal is an advanced transport option created to ease traffic and faster Urban movement in peak hours.
And your gautrain is just a drive through or stopover at the city,EAc has its own private train moving throughout the entire city not sharing with the rest of Lagos .

Waterfall like the rest of sandton and South Africa is anything but smart.eko Atlantic is 21st century city with cutting edge technology .you are basically replicating more previous south africa not future South Africa ,get the difference.
EAC is an energy efficient smart city that has a mandate for all its building to meet the “green EDGE standard”,same cannot be said fir sandton ,waterfall or the rest of SA likewise Europe and US.For starters no where in SA is even a smart city just some basic 20th century stuff.

https://www.ekoatlantic.com/our-green-commitment/

And I said eko Atlantic development phase 2 couldn’t take place so they sold it off to new developers which has incorporated airport,stadium into their city planning and its just adjacent eko Atlantic,nothing seperares both. Once they both developed it would look like they both grew together not knowing they are entirely different projects with different developer.by extension of their closeness visitors,residents can equally use the airport if this other city to get to EAC.

Just in case you missed this infrastructural marvel. Watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf47C8iunnM

Somalis taught the US a lesson they will never forget - so much when they were told to intervene in Rwanda genocide - they said - Not Africa again

Gen Farah Aidid taught the US best squad a lesson in war


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ApfDyeP7Zk

Why would BH storm Lagos or Abuja when they control territory, drive tanks and levy taxes - appoint governors and administrator in Nigeria.
Alshabaab and jihadist have been in somalis for 30yrs.
They never dared attack Kenya
When they tried with small grenades - kidnapping tourists - we crossed the border - and kicked them out of large swatche of Somalia.
They were shaking in their booths denying they were responsible for kidnapping but we went ahead and kicked them out

BIG difference btw Kenya and Nigeria - day and night..

GeneralDae:
US does not fight Bokoharam for Nigeria, they just assist with weapons and some technological know how sometimes in the use of the weapons (which we buy actually).
Besides, while Al Shabbab could stroll into Nairobi anytime attacking mostly Nairobi (and still can, left to Kenyan military alone), Bokoharam and ISWAP for the most part fight within the chad/Nigerian Borders and mostly some villages in Borno state.