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We tried our best- because we have functioning enviromental and animal protection agency - that meant building many bridges - fencing the entire line - and providing safe passage for SGR. Some animals do jump the fence or do crazy stuff

But definitely we did more than 50kms of bridges and dug 5km tunnel - one of longest in africa.

That is why Kenya SGR was voted one magnificent train rides.

Kazikazi:
But we see a lot of wildlife perishing on your sgr...

We paid twice for our railways because we have like 50kms of bridges - and 5km of a tunnel - that costed us real money. And we built them to protect animals.

Kazikazi:
When will u get a this type of cable bridges in your railways? 100 years to come?

That 300kms of track - is about 80 percent complete - given their usual speed - dont expect to see any train anytime soon.

gallivant:
Where are the trains? Should we wait until 2050 for fastest electric rail in the world?

Bongolala (Of Tanzania) - you dreamt of catching up with Kenya - but we simply shifted gears - and now we are nearly doubling your nominal GDP . Morroco will see our tail end in 3yrs.

This Nairobi Eastland - the worse part of Nairobi.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzUFW35H58c

Your jittery as we are about to overtake Morroco - you think everyone is sleeping like you.

Look at Nairobi worst part - Nairobi Eastland - it has better infrastructure than anywhere in Tanzania - Bongolala


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZDCaXbEU8A

Kazikazi:
Did u work hard? Only morocco worked hard, but you fellas, the only good u did is to cook.morocco is now separating the chaff from the wheat.

samorobo:
@shma check out RABAT,Morroco.
This is not their 1st,second or third city. I thought you said Nairobi is ahead of all Moroccan city including Casablanca,but can you how ordinary Rabat looks way above Africa’s league.It’s looks shockingly European.

@rvp what you gat to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEJGA-lwZxU

As good as any in Europe..hope it's entire city

68816419:
And the debt keeps rising, another $4B just got added to the profile, Uhuru Kenyatta must be jailed after his tenure, that guy stole like mad, no wonder they planned to build a new city with Kenyans funds

Debt is leverage.Its using someone money now so you can repay later..hopefully from investment of that money.If China think we are credit worthy no problems.Nigeria you already passed 100 percent debt servicing ratio.Total debt to GDP is of little relavance..watch out for debt servicing ratio..as individual you should not go beyond 30 percent.Kenya gov will leverage when it can and refinance when it need to.Nigeria is beyond being in debt crisis because you're borrowing to pay salaries..not build infrastructure

obaaderemi:
You are not smart.
The entire economy of a state like Rivers is based on oil. The oil industry doesn't pay only the oil workers it employs directly. They're multiplier effects. Same goes for Delta state and Akwa Ibom state.

The multiplier effects of oil is bigger than that of tea.

You're indeed a baboon

Bla de bla of a bleating goat.

Still comparing Kenya with South Africa or Morocco

samorobo:
You honestly don’t want to go down that part with me. No one is faulting your cities for not handing everywhere turned into a district,this is africa and that is understandable.but our problem with you is our the rest country of your 3 cbd tucked in Nairobi looks like total crap from settlement to shops,to offices,you name it. Look at Mombasa and just weep blood.

Very lame. Why dont show us even a kilometre that is worth visiting. Entire Lagos - outside VI - is a slumpolis.

Now you claim Mombasa or Kisumu or Nairobi is small? Do you expect the entire city to be a business district? Nearly cities have small business districts - even Newyork - it's manhattan that has skyscrappers.

Come and walk the entire Nairobi. Nairobi sell itself - just 5-10yrs from overtaking Joburg. NONE OF YOUR WEST AFRICA SLUMPOLIS CAN COME CLOSE TO THIS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQvPTPpPps


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO0ZP6MLWM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtC3iQIg3kM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzB_R5hV5U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRdqC4lhRM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwBpW8hlCE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_sRODhFsK0

68816419:
That lady is from that area, which is why she did everything she could to exhibit the finest parts; in fact, she toured the entire CBD in less than 15 minutes on foot; Mombasa is even worse; you can tour the entire nicest sections in less than 10 minutes on foot.
This area in Kaduna called Yakubu Gawon is larger and more developed than the whole of Kisumu CBD and even Mombasa , I will get the drone shots of this areas,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8N6NaUIsns
We need to promote our country more; no one else will do so if we don't; Nigeria is indeed beautiful, but it serious promotions and some fixing, such as electricity and infrastructures; another issue is that we talk too negatively about our country because we want it to be better; however, bad name calling does not do justice to things and always tarnishes their reputation.
One thing I learned from these Kenyans or even South Africans is that they always promote and photograph the loveliest but tiniest parts of their cities, something we Nigerians do not do.

Beautiful - more Nairobeans should embrace such roofting. West Africa will get here in 2050.

Shma:
@popizaino. What do you think about this leafy suburb in Nairobi? Can Ghana real estate learn something from it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XzUa7ME4OE

It hard for you to imagine how we can build roads, repay debt and all that without OIL.
It actually very simple - we pay taxes - and our tax collections are now approaching 20B - direct taxes - and 3b for indirect.

obaaderemi:
There is nothing reinventing the wheel about road construction. It's basic.

The reason your road projects go to Nigerian construction companies and Chinese companies is because you lack the funds and capacity to do it on your own.

That's why Kenya is owing China $9bn. Another Lebanon brewing. The bubble will soon burst, you idiot.

Service sector - tourism is key plank of it. Tourism may contribute little in GDP but it keep a lot of kenyans engaged - there are millions working in hotels - and earning money.

Now your oil sector can easily bring your GDP upto 80B dollars - but it can barely employ 10,000 people - it's even worse if it's offshore - just a few whitemen hired by Shell in offshore rig - siphoning oil - and pumping directly into ship - and paying your gov the agreed cut - and that is IT. You get the money and share it amongst yourself - if oil prize collapse - you get almost nothing

So yes it better if you can utilize your long coastline to build resorts - using the oil money.

You are another Equitorial Quinea or Gabon

obaaderemi:
Tourism should not be top on your list. How much are you getting from tourism, you idiot?
We are talking service industry, this one is talking tourism, an area where we even make more money than you.

It should be top on your list if you were a serious country - because Oil has not taken you anywhere and is not about to

GeneralDae:
I know. I'm just saying it's not top on our list like in Kenya.

I dont have time for the usual madness.

Just40:
you're desperate

We are already growing... And the growth can be seen in reduction in unemployment, poverty and slum dwellers

How transformative is Kenya fake growth ?

Why is unemployment, poverty and slum dwellers increasing?

Answer these two questions without tantrums

Watch this video. There is Nairobi metro, Mombasa, Kisumu, Nakuru, Eldoret plus many other towns. So stop consoling yourself because NAIROBI IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MjIXdsHhxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8lj_Q4Xvek

obaaderemi:
That's something they hate to hear.

We would never give Nigerian contractor. EU who funded the road told us it's was a swedish company. Not only did contractor takes 5yrs to complete 4km of road - and the quality of the road is the WORSE we have ever seen...nobody has ever posted that road here - it's called enterprise road

READ: Work on Kenya’s longest flyover faces further delays

Although RCC had never done any road construction work in Kenya, it was given the job as part of conditions by the European Union (EU), who financed the project through a grant of Sh3.4 billion – with Kenya settling the balance.

EU insisted that the contractor had to come from an EU state member or an affiliate of a European company. RCC is a subsidiary of Switzerland headquartered SBI International Holdings AG, which has interests in construction and other sectors, and has operations in different countries.

obaaderemi:
@ little Indians, let Nigerian construction companies handle your road projects. We have the experience of building roads in Kenya. Stop giving your road projects to the Chinese.

Keep doing your thing - and you will sink deeper and deeper poverty. While at it - please send us all those indians and chinese - tell them they are warmly welcome - we will send back you oga brothers in exchange - so you can remain truly authentic african zoo! Or maybe we can keep some in our Zoos for tourist to see what happen when humanbeings totally stop thinking like Obaboon?

You havent see nothing yet - next year we will bring thousands of chinese housing contractors - and we will build 500,000 units - enough to house 2 million people in decent housing.

China started like that - they invited Americans and Europeans contractors, manufacturers and companies - and they learnt from them. You dont re-invent the wheel by learning on the job.

obaaderemi:
You are desperate as usual. Amaechi was not talking about local construction companies and road projects. He was talking about local construction companies and railway projects. Do you have to lie all the time?
Amaechi concluded by saying this:


You see! We are not renewing that contract with the Chinese because we already built the capacity needed unlike little Indians who have enslaved themselves entirely to the Chinese.

Why do you think we got the Nairobi project in the first place? Capacity!

Please dont remind us that contractor from hell. If a Nigerian contractor ever get a road contract again in Kenya - then be sure the world will be about to end.

Look like you own gov has finally woken up!

Nigeria: Transportation minister favours Chinese contractors to local ones

Nigeria's outspoken transportation minister Rotimi Amaechi delivered a blunt message to local construction companies who've long complained that they're shut out of bids for the large infrastructure projects that often go to Chinese contractors: "We are not using our local contractors because they are not qualified. If you want to participate, build capacity. We can't give you a life-threatening contract if we don’t trust your capacity."

See Kenya is delivering an almost billion dollar project in 1.5yrs - six months ahead of schedule.

Kenya: Work by the China Road and Bridge Corporation on the new 27km Nairobi Expressway is now 60% complete and scheduled to be finished next February, six months ahead of schedule, according to Transport and Infrastructure Cabinet Secretary James Macharia.

obaaderemi:
The Nigerian contractor got the job because it had the experience. And it got the job done to 90& before the envious little Indians forced the government to take the contract back.

If you keep giving your road projects to Nigerian and Chinese companies, there's no way you can ever build capacity.

That only time you twin zoos will grow - then mid way the oil prices will crash - leading to litany of abandoned projects. It's called the Nigerian Oil Curse.

Just40:
oil will hit 110 dollars by mid year

You're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. This is Kisumu city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ppqythttE&feature=emb_logo

obaaderemi:
From everything I've seen about your show, it's clear the little Indians have been cooking their data on everything from education to housing to economy, etc.

Heck, the country is all about Nairobi, and even that only about a few places.

Kazikazi:
Don't mention again shat shithole company called ARM,it's gone to the grave for good.
At least now you agree,your capacity is far less than Tanzania's.

When did I agree..our consumption last year topped 10m ..more than your installed capacity.

Shma:
Well said. But don't blame anybody. A lot of Ghanaians( hobbits) and Nigerians are flooded in Kenya 'just to see Nairobi modernity.' I was not even surprised about what he said. ...

it's more like coping mechanisms to deal with their failure to create a thriving city..so attribute Nairobi to whites.. Kenya real estates is 99 percent black..infact I wish Kenyans invested in manufacturing instead

AfriqueDuZuid:
Same as Egypt, or Algeria, even Tanzania, Morocco, Ethiopia, Nigeria etc had larger economy than any country in Central africa

factual.. Nigeria can claim that..what is wrong with it..you'd love to restrict Kenya to east Africa after we left your country alone to avoid your wrath

One company can have huge capacity - so don't be slow as usual - try THINK.
Our cement companies are not little - nearly all of them have regional subsidiaries - like in any other sector controls the region.
ARM - was in Tanzania.
Bamburi - is in Uganda.
Simba cement - is in Uganda
Bamburi has two factories - Simba cement two factories.
Etc etc

Now if Kenya cement consumption is already 8.5M tonnes.

How can installed capacity be less than - infact maybe last year we hit 10M

The 2021 Leading Economic Indicator also revealed that cement usage rose 22.58% to 4.780 million metric tonnes in the first half of 2021 from 3.897 million metric tonnes last year.26 Oct 2021

Kazikazi:
Friend, you have only 5 little companies. Where is this 12 mtp is produced?
Tz is ahead of you

Treat Africa=Sub Sahara Africa mostly. The Magreb are in the same level with South Africa.

Just40:
It doesn't even come close to Morocco


When we are talking about financial centers in Africa, your country does not even come in top 10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf6Mzc5Gz8A

Or like Buhari you can claim it was eaten by a goat - and there was no other copy

theenchanter:
u say?

Africa is a continent of 50 cities - if your capital city look crappy - then rest of the country is certainly more crappy. Kenya tourism account for I think 2.5 percent of the economy. Only folks who care about tourism are along the Kenya coast. Nairobi nobody gives a damn about tourist or tourism...they are rare...white and asian in Nairobi are either citizens or expats....most tourists hate Nairobi enough not spend even a night there...they just come for different experience.

Nairobi grew because it became social capital of a troubled region - in the horn of Africa - kenya has been most peaceful - avoiding coups and civil wars - and Nairobi became the epicenter for NGOS and rebels - Uganda fought for 20yrs - Sudan forever - Ethiopia long civil wars - somali wars - DRC congo - and they rush to Nairobi for a breather or to seek medical help or their kids education or buy property with looted money - the UN and NGOS also descent in Nairobi to coordinate humaniterian activities.

That lead to sustained real estate market for high end properties - both retail, hotels and offices.

GeneralDae:
I mean just like Kigali in Rwanda, the first thing everyone is exposed to in Kenya is Nairobi and you are more focused on Tourism than Nigeria.

Kenya installed capacity is 12m last I checked.

Kazikazi:
Which statistics?
Tanzania has a cement production capacity of 10.6mtp which Kenya you have less than that.
And again,Tz has 13 cement companies while Kenya has only 5.

Then,you still want me to believe fake stats?

I never heard of anybody in Kenya or kenya gov promoting Nairobi for tourism. Tourists do not come to Nairobi - they go to Maasai Mara to watch animals - then retreat to coast to swim in warm sandy world class beaches. They sleep day one in Nairobi - and on their last day - probably. Why would a tourist come to see an African city?

So this our Nairobi of us has grown organically - without any oil injection like Abuja - it's just boom with economy - in 1960s & 70s - kenya economy was booming - Nairobi started to build skyscrappers - till late 80s - when economy went into rough patch - it stopped growing until 2005 - and it has been growing on steroids.

Bottom line - city grows or deteriorate with the economy.

GeneralDae:
Exactly. The Kenyans promoted this their Nairobi so well, why for us we never saw Tourusm as important because of oil, and so everyone who comes to Nigeria is first exposed to MMIA and mainland lagos .
Lekki/Ikoyi are there with their Hotels, Skyscrapers, and what have you. Constant electricity is not a problem in some parts of Nigeria, if you can pay for it. Just that it's better the Government provides constant electricity and for all especially.

The major problem visitors have with Lagos (usually extrapolated to all of Nigeria) is that it is fast and rugged. People want somewhere a bit relaxed, but there is Jos and of course Abuja or Lekki if you have the money.

I suggest they do that - after sorting electricity I would hate to live in place with generators. That sucks big time.

Shma:
I believe this is sarcasm. .. Cos man, Nigeria is building with no plans. Nice buildings integrated with shanties can't impress anyone. Try to implement zoning laws, focus on green tech, building codes, landscaping, and nature parks, Then you'll be good to go.

Upperhill is 2nd to Sandton in terms of being financial center - number of banks and insurance HQed there. Maybe Nigeria Victoria VI come third?

Shma:
Not the entire upper hill but definitely one of the best upper hill aerial views.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO0ZP6MLWM