₦airaland Forum

Because they know this. Why do you want us to go and build a city in the middle of nowhere - with nothing but camels and cattle?

GeneralDae:
Wow, but Samorobo seeing all these things, it makes we wonder why foreigners and a few black Americans still praise Kenya as developed. Is it that they don't also see all these in the other cities? What is your theory?

Some lebanese based in Dubai literally copied Dubai but forgot to bring in the camels.

gallivant:
It's been less than a year. Calm your titties before we explore Eko Atlantic desert canals.

All tests failed like the Turkish lira. Turkey should concentrate on textile and leave china man to handle such engineering feats.

gallivant:


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https://www.udaku.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/sgr3.jpg

Would you rather the money went to Arabs - in wasted fuel - and in even more costly man hours - and stress - in terrible traffic jams. Chinese ought to recoup their investment. If they want to do it in 100yrs - the better. They should build us more and more.

Again we already lose more than 1 million dollars in traffic jams - that is saving the economy will make. It's toll road - you dont want it - dont use it.

Kazikazi:
Chinese will collect your money for 30 years to recover the cost.If they won't get all the money in 30 years,they will extend the time.
Now here is a trick..
They will play with numbers. Most of mathematics will be done Chinese style. Every year they will cry about low figures!
The day they will hand over to you,probably nearly 100 years to come, the road will be dead and need a complete new construction

Those turks are not ready for such serious business - I pity Tanzania - the maintainance bill will cripple them. Cheap is expensive.

gallivant:
Is this better?

https://www.udaku.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/sgr3.jpg

How about this...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1zny4zaEwXg/hqdefault.jpg

The middle of the road is reserved for BRT - therefore it's devoid of any distraction and is called gold standard brt - no exiting or entering cars causing mess like the failed Lagos BRT.

People will use the footbridge - then descend to those tiny bus stations - bus arrives every 5 minutes or less. Unless a bus breakdown - nothing should stop the bus - and so it will arrive on schedule and will carry more capacity than Lagos - again - failed BRT system.

68816419:
Mazze, where are the dedicated brt lanes and terminals?
Here is

You the usual Lazy and dull Tanzania.
You expect China to invest their money without any security or form of gurantees.
Just say you're used to begging - and not ready for business
This is why you have now taken over all our streets begging.
You are used to old China that use to give you things for free.
Like TAZARA that was given to you for free.
So how do you know China? When everything you got previously was to freebies to support communism
We have seen China in Kenya for 20yrs
And they are incredible - delivering projects on time, on quality and on prize.
And they get better.
And we are ready to offer them guarantees - because of what use is Bagamoyo now - it's a fishing market.
While LAMU we have 3 deep sea berths ready for business.
If you see a chinese stranded in Tanzania - please send them to Kenya
We will give you a Nigerian in exchange

Kazikazi:
You really crazy. Who knows Chinese more than we do? Is there any African nation who knows Chinese than us?
Do u know,whatever trick the Chinese use,we quickly uncovers. They wanted to give us unelectrified railway, we refused.They were about to cheat on bagamoyo port,we uncovered the trick.

Even on corona,we knew what no African knew how they accidentally made the virus. By the time the Chinese announced, the virus was already in Africa and the rest of the world months before.When fools went for lockdown, it was too late

So,you think you know the Chinese? Do u know when will they hand over expressway to you? 30 years ahead? I doubt.
They will probably cheat u on mathematics. You won't understand a dime on the Chinese figures they will present to u.
Anyway,we still deal with them.We still give them some tenders.our Isaka to Mwanza(341 kms) section is now constructed by chines

Kenya SGR runs at 120Kmh. Tazara can barely do 20kmh when it's not busy stalling. I hear you take 3 days to reach Zambia. Focus on such aspect - not the beauty. Our SGR cover distance of 500kms in 4-5hours.

Kazikazi:
These Chinese built Tanzania's tazara railway about 50 years ago,surprise surprise surprise,
They gave u same trains which Tanzania got 5 decades ago! Did they repaint?

1&2 Tanzania's tazara railway,50 years ago
3&4 Kenya's celebrated the same trains in 2020

You went to China when it was communist like you - it was a poor bicycle riding country of rice growing peasants like Tanzania now. This is NEW totally completely different CHINA.

We dumped the west - and embraced the new China.

Now you're embracing Arabs - and leaving your old friend China - when it's become rich!

What is wrong with you?

Chinese came and asked for little gurantees on Bagamoyo - and you spawned them

Yaani when everyone is running to China - even the US and Eu - some little poor Tanzania think they are smart

Magufuli NONSENSE.

Kazikazi:
These Chinese built Tanzania's tazara railway about 50 years ago,surprise surprise surprise,
They gave u same trains which Tanzania got 5 decades ago! Did they repaint?

1&2 Tanzania's tazara railway,50 years ago
3&4 Kenya's celebrated the same trains in 2020

50kms is conservative figure. MSA to NBO has 98 bridges. Nairobi to Naivasha has 28km of bridges - and 8.5km of tunnels. Mazera bridge in Mombasa is 45m high..150 feet or close - taller than anything in GHANA

Nairobi National Park has a 9km long bridge - that is also sound proof

Kazikazi:
I doubt about those 50 kms of elevated railway. I think you have far less than that.
Anyway,
How do u feel when u realized that your new sgr is same as Tanzania's tazara railway built nearly 50 years ago?
Everything is so so similar,even the contractor who did Kenya's sgr is the one did in TZ tazara years and ages ago...

200 buses on 21kms BRT. Kenya is going for gold standard BRT at the median.

Kazikazi:
What about this stuff?

Tanzanians thought they were smart - Magufuli the character - they went for cheapest contractor with cheapest design - and their hopeless railway is stuck 300kms. Wait until the trains start to stall daily.

Cheap is expensive. The turkish are building their SGR and the egyptian their hydropower - they will get something that cheap.

Anyone with half a brain knows you give such jobs to CHINESE - and they get it done - to world standards level.

gallivant:
What does this have to do with your slow implementation of projects? Did wildlife cause Bagamoyo port's cancelation? Is wildlife the reason your electric SGR has no trains running yet?

We tried our best- because we have functioning enviromental and animal protection agency - that meant building many bridges - fencing the entire line - and providing safe passage for SGR. Some animals do jump the fence or do crazy stuff

But definitely we did more than 50kms of bridges and dug 5km tunnel - one of longest in africa.

That is why Kenya SGR was voted one magnificent train rides.

Kazikazi:
But we see a lot of wildlife perishing on your sgr...

We paid twice for our railways because we have like 50kms of bridges - and 5km of a tunnel - that costed us real money. And we built them to protect animals.

Kazikazi:
When will u get a this type of cable bridges in your railways? 100 years to come?

That 300kms of track - is about 80 percent complete - given their usual speed - dont expect to see any train anytime soon.

gallivant:
Where are the trains? Should we wait until 2050 for fastest electric rail in the world?

Bongolala (Of Tanzania) - you dreamt of catching up with Kenya - but we simply shifted gears - and now we are nearly doubling your nominal GDP . Morroco will see our tail end in 3yrs.

This Nairobi Eastland - the worse part of Nairobi.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzUFW35H58c

Your jittery as we are about to overtake Morroco - you think everyone is sleeping like you.

Look at Nairobi worst part - Nairobi Eastland - it has better infrastructure than anywhere in Tanzania - Bongolala


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZDCaXbEU8A

Kazikazi:
Did u work hard? Only morocco worked hard, but you fellas, the only good u did is to cook.morocco is now separating the chaff from the wheat.

samorobo:
@shma check out RABAT,Morroco.
This is not their 1st,second or third city. I thought you said Nairobi is ahead of all Moroccan city including Casablanca,but can you how ordinary Rabat looks way above Africa’s league.It’s looks shockingly European.

@rvp what you gat to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEJGA-lwZxU

As good as any in Europe..hope it's entire city

68816419:
And the debt keeps rising, another $4B just got added to the profile, Uhuru Kenyatta must be jailed after his tenure, that guy stole like mad, no wonder they planned to build a new city with Kenyans funds

Debt is leverage.Its using someone money now so you can repay later..hopefully from investment of that money.If China think we are credit worthy no problems.Nigeria you already passed 100 percent debt servicing ratio.Total debt to GDP is of little relavance..watch out for debt servicing ratio..as individual you should not go beyond 30 percent.Kenya gov will leverage when it can and refinance when it need to.Nigeria is beyond being in debt crisis because you're borrowing to pay salaries..not build infrastructure

obaaderemi:
You are not smart.
The entire economy of a state like Rivers is based on oil. The oil industry doesn't pay only the oil workers it employs directly. They're multiplier effects. Same goes for Delta state and Akwa Ibom state.

The multiplier effects of oil is bigger than that of tea.

You're indeed a baboon

Bla de bla of a bleating goat.

Still comparing Kenya with South Africa or Morocco

samorobo:
You honestly don’t want to go down that part with me. No one is faulting your cities for not handing everywhere turned into a district,this is africa and that is understandable.but our problem with you is our the rest country of your 3 cbd tucked in Nairobi looks like total crap from settlement to shops,to offices,you name it. Look at Mombasa and just weep blood.

Very lame. Why dont show us even a kilometre that is worth visiting. Entire Lagos - outside VI - is a slumpolis.

Now you claim Mombasa or Kisumu or Nairobi is small? Do you expect the entire city to be a business district? Nearly cities have small business districts - even Newyork - it's manhattan that has skyscrappers.

Come and walk the entire Nairobi. Nairobi sell itself - just 5-10yrs from overtaking Joburg. NONE OF YOUR WEST AFRICA SLUMPOLIS CAN COME CLOSE TO THIS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQvPTPpPps


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO0ZP6MLWM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtC3iQIg3kM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzB_R5hV5U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRdqC4lhRM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwBpW8hlCE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_sRODhFsK0

68816419:
That lady is from that area, which is why she did everything she could to exhibit the finest parts; in fact, she toured the entire CBD in less than 15 minutes on foot; Mombasa is even worse; you can tour the entire nicest sections in less than 10 minutes on foot.
This area in Kaduna called Yakubu Gawon is larger and more developed than the whole of Kisumu CBD and even Mombasa , I will get the drone shots of this areas,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8N6NaUIsns
We need to promote our country more; no one else will do so if we don't; Nigeria is indeed beautiful, but it serious promotions and some fixing, such as electricity and infrastructures; another issue is that we talk too negatively about our country because we want it to be better; however, bad name calling does not do justice to things and always tarnishes their reputation.
One thing I learned from these Kenyans or even South Africans is that they always promote and photograph the loveliest but tiniest parts of their cities, something we Nigerians do not do.

Beautiful - more Nairobeans should embrace such roofting. West Africa will get here in 2050.

Shma:
@popizaino. What do you think about this leafy suburb in Nairobi? Can Ghana real estate learn something from it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XzUa7ME4OE

It hard for you to imagine how we can build roads, repay debt and all that without OIL.
It actually very simple - we pay taxes - and our tax collections are now approaching 20B - direct taxes - and 3b for indirect.

obaaderemi:
There is nothing reinventing the wheel about road construction. It's basic.

The reason your road projects go to Nigerian construction companies and Chinese companies is because you lack the funds and capacity to do it on your own.

That's why Kenya is owing China $9bn. Another Lebanon brewing. The bubble will soon burst, you idiot.

Service sector - tourism is key plank of it. Tourism may contribute little in GDP but it keep a lot of kenyans engaged - there are millions working in hotels - and earning money.

Now your oil sector can easily bring your GDP upto 80B dollars - but it can barely employ 10,000 people - it's even worse if it's offshore - just a few whitemen hired by Shell in offshore rig - siphoning oil - and pumping directly into ship - and paying your gov the agreed cut - and that is IT. You get the money and share it amongst yourself - if oil prize collapse - you get almost nothing

So yes it better if you can utilize your long coastline to build resorts - using the oil money.

You are another Equitorial Quinea or Gabon

obaaderemi:
Tourism should not be top on your list. How much are you getting from tourism, you idiot?
We are talking service industry, this one is talking tourism, an area where we even make more money than you.

It should be top on your list if you were a serious country - because Oil has not taken you anywhere and is not about to

GeneralDae:
I know. I'm just saying it's not top on our list like in Kenya.

I dont have time for the usual madness.

Just40:
you're desperate

We are already growing... And the growth can be seen in reduction in unemployment, poverty and slum dwellers

How transformative is Kenya fake growth ?

Why is unemployment, poverty and slum dwellers increasing?

Answer these two questions without tantrums

Watch this video. There is Nairobi metro, Mombasa, Kisumu, Nakuru, Eldoret plus many other towns. So stop consoling yourself because NAIROBI IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MjIXdsHhxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8lj_Q4Xvek

obaaderemi:
That's something they hate to hear.

We would never give Nigerian contractor. EU who funded the road told us it's was a swedish company. Not only did contractor takes 5yrs to complete 4km of road - and the quality of the road is the WORSE we have ever seen...nobody has ever posted that road here - it's called enterprise road

READ: Work on Kenya’s longest flyover faces further delays

Although RCC had never done any road construction work in Kenya, it was given the job as part of conditions by the European Union (EU), who financed the project through a grant of Sh3.4 billion – with Kenya settling the balance.

EU insisted that the contractor had to come from an EU state member or an affiliate of a European company. RCC is a subsidiary of Switzerland headquartered SBI International Holdings AG, which has interests in construction and other sectors, and has operations in different countries.

obaaderemi:
@ little Indians, let Nigerian construction companies handle your road projects. We have the experience of building roads in Kenya. Stop giving your road projects to the Chinese.

Keep doing your thing - and you will sink deeper and deeper poverty. While at it - please send us all those indians and chinese - tell them they are warmly welcome - we will send back you oga brothers in exchange - so you can remain truly authentic african zoo! Or maybe we can keep some in our Zoos for tourist to see what happen when humanbeings totally stop thinking like Obaboon?

You havent see nothing yet - next year we will bring thousands of chinese housing contractors - and we will build 500,000 units - enough to house 2 million people in decent housing.

China started like that - they invited Americans and Europeans contractors, manufacturers and companies - and they learnt from them. You dont re-invent the wheel by learning on the job.

obaaderemi:
You are desperate as usual. Amaechi was not talking about local construction companies and road projects. He was talking about local construction companies and railway projects. Do you have to lie all the time?
Amaechi concluded by saying this:


You see! We are not renewing that contract with the Chinese because we already built the capacity needed unlike little Indians who have enslaved themselves entirely to the Chinese.

Why do you think we got the Nairobi project in the first place? Capacity!

Please dont remind us that contractor from hell. If a Nigerian contractor ever get a road contract again in Kenya - then be sure the world will be about to end.

Look like you own gov has finally woken up!

Nigeria: Transportation minister favours Chinese contractors to local ones

Nigeria's outspoken transportation minister Rotimi Amaechi delivered a blunt message to local construction companies who've long complained that they're shut out of bids for the large infrastructure projects that often go to Chinese contractors: "We are not using our local contractors because they are not qualified. If you want to participate, build capacity. We can't give you a life-threatening contract if we don’t trust your capacity."

See Kenya is delivering an almost billion dollar project in 1.5yrs - six months ahead of schedule.

Kenya: Work by the China Road and Bridge Corporation on the new 27km Nairobi Expressway is now 60% complete and scheduled to be finished next February, six months ahead of schedule, according to Transport and Infrastructure Cabinet Secretary James Macharia.

obaaderemi:
The Nigerian contractor got the job because it had the experience. And it got the job done to 90& before the envious little Indians forced the government to take the contract back.

If you keep giving your road projects to Nigerian and Chinese companies, there's no way you can ever build capacity.

That only time you twin zoos will grow - then mid way the oil prices will crash - leading to litany of abandoned projects. It's called the Nigerian Oil Curse.

Just40:
oil will hit 110 dollars by mid year