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Yes we cooperate with US, Isreal & UK to fight international terror - but we dont have troops on the ground babysit us. In Manda Island we allow US to fly their drones from there. In Nanyuki we allow British soldiers to train in Kenya. We allow CIA/MOSSAD/M16 to operate in Kenya and share intelligence on international terror. That is how we arrested Nigeria KANU and shipped him back home. We spend more than a billion dollars annually on defence budget - and total security budget of nearly 3b dollars. Your military budget is 200M dollars How do you hope to defend Ghana? We got troops in Somalia fighting international terror - and we are on of the world top UN contributor of peace keeping troops.

Just40:
The French military themselves are jihadist just like the US military in your country..

Unfortunately Kenya can't do without them else Al shabab will over run your country

What freedom when you cannot handle jihadist? You need the french back ASAP otherwise Islamic Jihadist will drive you to the altantic.

Just40:
Sorry kiddo... Our days of coups are our. A coup in Burkina Faso does not stop business from going on..

The Malians and Burkinabe are seeking their freedom from all French influence..

If Kenyans were sensible like them, you'll kick out the foreign control kleptomaniac

Burkina faso that just got a coup - joining now 5 countries in West and Central Africa. Once the Malian kicked out the French soldiers - I knew the West African cowards will not survive.

Watch out for a coup in Ghana and Nigeria -

Just40:
Tema LNG making bigger moves to capture the West African Gas market


Ecowgas -- an affiliate of the Tema LNG Terminal Company (TLTC) that owns the soon-to-be-commissioned LNG import facility in Ghana -- had already won exclusive rights to build and operate storage and regasification facilities in Liberia and Sierra Leone.

The award of the Burkina Faso contract is based on Ecowgas utilizing the Tema LNG terminal in Ghana, which will act as a storage hub for LNG in the region.

You've spelled it very clearly for that dunderhead. There is nothing impressive about EkoCity except it's renders of a future Dubai.

jl115:
as I said nothing about Eko Atlantic makes it more impressive than even waterfall city.... Not to mention other bigger developments in SA.... Also there ain't anything about airports being built in Eko Atlantic either.... You making up random things doesn't change that.......if you think a simple canal is the be all end all of all modern transportation infrastructure then I have some seriously bad news for you my laaitjie.... They have existed even before roads!! Canals are literally less developed than a simple road..... And yes Waterfall city already has metro rail, gautrain and brt services....

You build capacity by executing small projects well - and progressing. There are kenya contractors doing small raods. Chinese started from there - worked on delivering on time, on cost and on quality. You cannot climb the tree from the top like the shoddy Nigeria contractor who took 5yrs to do 4kms road - and in the end they damaged it's own reputation and entire Nigeria contractor reputation in Kenya road construction.

obaaderemi:
So how can you build your own capacity if you keep giving all the major contracts to foreigners?

You little Indians are always so gungho about anything foreign be it Indian, Chinese, white or even Nigerian. No wonder you gave a major road project in Nairobi to a Nigerian company.

JustMadman,
Watch this - around 55mins - - Ghana is a lot less developed - my mother came to ghana - but was amazed by Nairobi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AYov1hVXRQ

Which bridge is that -

If you mean the Likoni gate bridge - Mombasa Gateway Bridge - in the channel mombasa port - for 1.4km - and it will very high suspension bridge because ships have to pass underneath it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca5rLVwtvaY

samorobo:
Lmao you really think Kenya can teach us a thing on cost efficiency of a project.

A certain Mombasa bridge of less than 3km cost over $2bn(the Japanese came to rob you blind like the Chinese this time),same with your 10km Nairobi flyover that cost over a billion usd. What about your sgr that cost twice if ours and is still largely a wicked Chinese failure loosing out on profits constantly.

A 37km double decked bridge which apparently would be the longest in Africa and among the best in the world for $2bn. I say we got it for a steal. And pls bare it in mind it’s is 100% private funded so your noise is even dead on arrival. Try something else.

Lame! madness.
You live in a zoo!
In any serious country - you cannot have contractor designing the road.
You have three actors - designer(architect of the road) who decide whether you need three or two lanes and what kind of intersections - and bridges, the contractor of the road and the supervisor (who can also be the designer).
Gov issue a design contract.
The designer tells them this road will cost you 100m dollars - will require this kind of bridges - etc.
Gov go shopping for money - when it get it - via budget or PPP.
It then invite environmental impact assessment to approve them project - if trees will be fell - contractor will have to budget to plant them etc.
It then nvites contractors knowing the road should be 100M or about - and the environmental mitigation required.
Contractors bid - compete for the road - maybe they get it at 90M or 110M
They start construction under the supervision of the designer.
If the road is very tiny like in Ghana - the gov engineers can supervise them.

Just40:
just say you are ignorant of the procurement process in your country and how projects are bid for, just like how you are ignorant of most things..

Name of the Ghanian design company . GIBB south africa is designing your roads.

Just40:
Design and built by a Ghanaian company

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPBYQMuAMy0

Ignorant madness. Unless you do that in Ghana - which is possible in a ZOO

For kenya - the procedure is simple - Gov does need assessment - traffic survey - econometric

Then contract for designing the road is given out - every road is different - some are in swampy places - others in hilly places - designers spent time to ensure the need assessment are met- they nail down everything like your house architect.

The final designs become the tender document.

The contractors bid based on the designs - they have no power to alter designs - if there is need for alteration - it goes back to consulting engineering and design company.

The winner of the tender - construct - based on the designs. The consulting engineers supervise to ensure they strictly follow that.

Just40:
every highway in all countries are built to class 1 standard which is the same across the world.
There's nothing like world class standard in road construction and you don't have to over pay for a class 1 standard.

All contractors present their designs for evaluation during contract biding and then approved while tweeks are recommended when needed.

Talking of GIBB - look like South Africa office - runs Ghana and Nigeria.
GIBB Africa - runs entire of East Africa.

I doubt Ghana and Nigeria can even design a footpath on their own

In 2014, it was estimated that traffic in Nairobi costs $570,000 per day. This is a significant amount and can be used productively elsewhere.

This road that will cut a commute of 2hours to 20 minutes - saving now maybe 1M dollars daily in fuel wastage - or 350M dollars annually - leave alone in time savings.

How is this a waste again?

Just40:
so you spent additional 150 million minus the almost 1 Billion dollars for 16km road

What a waste

Because you're ignorant. Kenya has word class road designs - and architectural firm. Our procurement rules will never allow Chinese to design and build the road except PPP. All tendered roads are designed by kenyans, enviromental impact assessment done and approved by NEMA - and the tenders for construction floated - with supervision normally given to local contractors.

For example start with GIBB Africa.

http://gibbinternational.com/about-gibb-africa
GIBB has been responsible for the design and supervision of construction works to the value of over US$ 1800 million in East Africa, Southern Africa and Middle Eastern countries. In addition, advisory services have been given for works to a further value of some US$ 3,000 million.

Just40:
Now you're throwing tantrums because facts have been put to you

Maybe in Ghana that is true - You are ignorant and mad as always.

Just40:
The contractor design the road and your govt approved of the design.. apart from local labourers who are paid peanut
There are no Kenyans involved..

The prefab concrete is cast by a Chinese, the iron rods, and prefab steel are probably shipped in from china at duty free and the additional cement bought from a Chinese.

Chinese is building it - as toll road - we are paying nothing - except 150M dollars we have spent for land compensation and relocations of all sort of pipes and ulities.

Just40:
38km of bridge is highly cost efficient

Just look at the fact that you guys are paying almost a billion dollars for a 10km 4 lane elevated road

How do they take all the money - you mean the road will be built with thin air? Kenya gov design the roads and comes with QS - we know the road will require this amount of earthworks, steel, cements - and we ask everyone to compete - Nigerians are banned - kenyans (local), international - name them - the best contractor WINS. He makes small margin of profit - NOT take all the money.

And what do we get - we get roads, railways and name - done to international standards - delivered very very quickly - and that immediately create more wealth for us.

Ever since Chinese came to Kenya in 2005 - our GDP has grown now nearly 7-8 fold!!!!!!

Just40:
The italic above is the reason why your country will not develope and it people will remain poor

Build the capacity of your own people to do quality job and stop making excuse ....

You go to China to borrow, give the contracts to Chinese for them to take all the money away and then you'll repay the loan with interest.. This makes no sense and quite stupid

Sucking up to the big zoo? How is it cost efficient? 2.5B dollars for a bridge - that money can build a serious metro in the entire of Lagos. Something like Adis Ababa - 700m dollars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_8AUSP-fVE

Just40:
cost efficient

Until African contractors build their capacity - it's better to outsources constructions contracts to Chinese!

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/chinese-firms-now-capture-bulk-of-kura-roads-3692838

Transport Cabinet Secretary James Macharia said Chinese companies bring very skilled people, put offsite facilities to do pre-casting, work 24 hours, manage their cost component very well and are very fast in terms of making decisions.

For instance, the Nairobi Expressway launched in October 2019, is 80 percent complete.

The SGR -- China’s biggest project -- was initiated on December 12, 2014, and completed on May 31, 2017, 18 months ahead of schedule.

In comparison, negotiations with a European consortium to dual the Rironi-Mau started in September 2016 are yet to be concluded.

The Mwache & Mteza are nearing completion. This not Nigeria - where 2nd Nigeria bridge was first proposed in 1970s and is still under construction. Goodluck started working on it and now Buhari is about done with his term - and bridge is not complete

Dont bet on 38km bridge - it aint gonna get built - where will you get 2.5B dollars to build it

Projects in Kenya takes 1yr or 2yrs - we are not giving contracts to nigeria type contractors - but to chinese who get the job done.

68816419:
WTF is this, we talking about project almost completed and you are brining a rendered project,
here is the The Fourth Mainland Bridge is a 38 km long bridge( the longest water and bridge in the WHOLE AFRICA) will commence this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G_vrWtqjWE

68816419, as you build the 2nd bridge over river niger - the 2kms Mteza and 600m Mwache bridges will open Mombasa South coast - for billion dollars Free port and Special economic zones - for exports - that Japanases are going to build.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e9rgLufKUA&t=177s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SygWPxG-JgQ

Talking of bridges - still in Mombasa - Makupa causeway is being destroyed and bridge of 450m - two bridges - four lanes each - being built

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmxdj_91pYc

Why are you angry - the generator again?

1.6km bridge. And second bridge over Niger. For a country named Nigeria - what hell have you been doing. And that bridge am sure has taken 20yrs to be constructed.

Now let me show a bridge that is 1yr into construction


First lets start with model

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULbLyi4ORvA

Two bridges and viaduct - Two bridges one at Mteza and the other at Mwache spanning more than two kilometres and 680 mtr respectively

One year later it's 70 percent complete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaDVLxoIWM4

68816419:
Crap, stop celebrating nonsense, the project posted bellow have far more economic values than any project in Kenya, it's a project hardly talked about by Nigerians yet far better than anything in Kenya, your country is too tiny and irrelevant.
Second Niger bridge project with 11km 6 lane highway, interchanges and a Toll plaza, will be in used by November this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRbdENba2ws



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRbdENba2ws

Talk about Nigeria - dont run to Morocco and South Africa. NMS have tried. We need to double down on pavements,footpaths and walkways - the final jigsaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6DSbc2cvKs

samorobo:
You are truly insane,pls stop wasting my time and data.This is an upgraded Mombasa at best,very basic and nothing close to world class. I have seen so many African standard outdo this rubbish.tell NMS to also fix the road,those also needs some saviour.world class my ass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzTL1kQqJDQ

This will link up to Nairobi expressway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zz5aqwpwjk

Nairobi expressway - almost 1yr and it months from being opened for public. Incredible considering it also busiest road hence distraction.

One best drone views I have seen on Expressway covering the westland part.

West Africans like Ghanians should watch before they declare their city green - this green city in the sun - where cutting a tree will get into problems - and where someone won a nobel prize for protecting nairobi forests.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7uxRRuNzc

Please next time bring credible data - dont scrounge the internet for any link

One more video to make you really tired


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBKqx7i0IPM

obaaderemi:
As at 2021, Kenya has a cost of living index higher than Nigeria. In fact you are one of the most expensive countries in Africa to live.
https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/lifestyle/15-african-cities-with-the-highest-cost-of-living-index-scores-in-2021/11ghkpw

With such poor people, tell me how you are doing well if your country is so expensive. And the naked eye test from samorobo videos and the tired repeated pictures of your fellow Kenyans, its clear your country ain't doing well.
And I keep saying it: Your economy is too small for the 50m people. It just can't work. Borrowing to the eye to build shiny roads and the sgr like oil rich Nigeria will only saddle you with unpayable debt and make your country poorer. My 50 cents.

Mombasa Metro is big. Distance from Mombasa to Diani is 30Kms. Distance from Mombasa to Vipingo - 35Kms. Distance from Mombasa to Marikiani is 40kms - all these areas are built up.

Kuruptnigga:
Mombasa should first aim owerri before getting to Abuja. Your Nairobi is still a baby play compared to Lagos. You must be smoking Colorado before coming here.

All these areas are outside Nairobi City...in the metro - thika is 40kms away -

Ruaka - including two rivers are in Nairobi Metro - does it look isolated. It has more tall building the entire Ghana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g_SyCwI9t4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmbUbEekgA

Kiambu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Nud_-bxrc

Ruiru city - has population going to 400K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP0vtmc-GVk

Thika city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D09-0WOrFj4
Kitengela

Ngong - and sorrounding areas.

Ongata rongai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ai6fsODaU
Athi river.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq8uMcIbFQI

Just40:
all of which are isolated villages

What is a lie? How can one lie in things that can easily be proven. In middle in old Nairobi city. Ask for video of any of the areas outside that - Ruiru, Mavoko, Ngong, Kiserian, Athi River, Kitengela, Kamulu, Juja, Kikuyu, Ruaka,

Just40:
Thats a lie

You can designate huge area for a city - but what is actual built up area. Nairobi Metro for example is huge - but not all of is is built up.

GeneralDae:
How big is Nairobi actually? It's just 287mi square . Abuja is almost 3 times the size of that with 687mi square.

This Abuja landing - after the tiny city - is expansive wilderness - of maize plantations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vwac0f2wO0

Nairobi city is about 20kms radius. Entire Nairobi is built up apart from National Park and two forests.
Nairobi metro is about 60kms radius. It's completely built up 30kms....from there it becomes peri-urban until 60kms.

Just40:
Lies

Nairobi built up area is not 60kms

It is less than 20kms after which you'll have to jump over a large portion of nothingness and land into one village after the other