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andrewza:
They can't swim. They removed the ability for more armour.

Thats what im saying. Not a major design point. The option to go amphibious is on the vehicle, a radical design change wouldnt be needed. If SA was to conduct heavy operations in regions with a lot of still water.....the amphibious option can be resurrected at a sacrifice of armour.

agaugust:
Badger CANNOT swim across lake Chad from Nigeria into Chad. BTR-4 will do the job....one of the many points of BTR-4 superiority
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Badger CAN swim. Option for amphibious crossing is on the vehicle. Nothing major to change. Since SANDF has no major requirement for amphibious crossing (no big lakes in SA) it is not a major design point.


https://www.sa-transport.co.za/military/army/badger_icv_11d2008_07_dvdb08.JPG

https://www.janes.com/images/assets/336/43336/Badger-nears-production.jpg

Anti Tank variant of Badger IFV....not too many pictures of this around.

In total...
Badger Infantry vehicle
Badger Anti Tank
Badger Motar
Badger Command and Control

EVarn:
you just claimed anybody can hit a man at 1km away.

I dont know which other conversations you are reading in your head. But i understand....a few bolts are missing. You are free to quote me where I said anybody can make that shot. I wont hold my breath for that.

I said police sharp shooters and dedicated marksmen in police units can make a 1000m shot. So something that many people can do is not a world record by any stretch of the imagination. Understand now small boy?

EVarn:
mr saengine,you indeed reason like an engine.only a trained sniper can hit a human target at 1km apart.
PS: its "target" not "targer".learn a little vocabulary please.

Why are you changing your story? You said it was a world record, which is why I corrected you. I never said that person would not be trained. But 1000m is a shot that even dedicated marksmen in police units can make. It's nothing to write home about. Okay maybe in Nigeria it is.

EVarn:
why are you crying bitterly?,why are you gnashing your rotten teeth like a deranged lunatic?.you think that hitting a human target from 1000m away is an everyday occurence?,its a world record that we witness only from the likes of canadian special forces,US Navy SEALS,and russian special ops.

No it is not a world record. Go back to school to correct your english. Police sharp shooters can hit a targer at 1000m. Something that many people can do is not a "world record".

EVarn:
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
A Nigerian Navy Sub-Lt today recorded a target and kill of a boko haram mortar spotter at a distance of 985m.with a Dragunov SVDK Sniper Rifle
10:00 AM - 30 Jan 2015
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Mr mzilakazi,you have been shamed.you claimed that our troops dont have proper training and education,yet it appear otherwise.how can an 'untrained' military personnel set a world record of hitting a human target at almost 1000m apart?.all we hear from you is an imaginary forray into seleka's domain,where you claimed to have bought "advanced binoculars",escaped being pulverized by hot mortars while your head was clearly peaking out from behind your "impenetrable defenses" and shot rebels with an AK47 rifle from 2km away.
now mzilakazi,fall down and die!!!!

The only world record here is the record of stupidity in your head. 1000m is nowhere close to any worls record kill. Please delete yourself from this forum...wasting everyones time.

agaugust:
Your own SANDF army, air force and navy are all sitting down at home fvcking their wives and girlfriends and you shameless Southies want to judge NA, NAF, and NN fighting a 5 year war and NN fighting 7 year piracy at sea....you make yourselves judge of what you cannot do, lazy bones SANDF....all you have i a leaking basket mouth to judge those climbing a mountain while you sit down at the roadside watching.

When will your 3 SANDF armed forces be tested in a big war theater in very recent times to show us your real combat performance as at today 2015? Cowards, all you talk about is 1980s bush war fought by dead men and retired white apartheid officers who failed to defeat tiny Cuba that sailed 10,000 km across the ocean to fight SADF in your SADC region of influence. Teenage soldier/pilot boys and girls from Cuba almost defeated South African military in Angolan bush war.

Show me a war South Africa ever won fighting alone in the last 100 years.....show me one !

Just some weeks ago US NAVY SEALS, so called best special forces in the world tried to rescue one American and one South African man held by ISIS, operation failed as both hostages were killed. To you, war is a video game, reason why you always like @THIZA's photo album.

Let SANDF go back to Bangui and recover your Gecko vehicles the way NA recover or Cobra APC....your Soweto cowards will NEVER try that...cowards !
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The reason SA troops are not at war is because no one anywhere close to us would ever dare attack us. That is the point of a defence force you fool....to make your enemies so scared of attacking that you live in peace. Unlike Nigeria where the likes of Boko Haram are not affraid to take on your army head on....in your own country.

EVarn:
BH released a video of the beheading.our special forces are always contracted to liberate captured personnels.

Beheading of who? A different face or of the original captured pilot? Your troops knew from the get go that a pilot was captured but took their time. Simple. Cowards

EVarn:
sadly,the pilot was beheaded before our military vanguard had any chance to react.

You just posted this....

What an Olodo. Where did they refute the fact that the Jet was lost? Wasn't it the NAF that reported one of their Alpha Jets missing? What they were denying was the photograph which was super-imposed, as such, they denied it was the actual pilot.

“The picture of a man beheaded in the video is superimposed,” he said without elaborating. “Our plane is still missing and we are looking for it. Boko Haram is just making unfounded claims.”


So who exactly were they too late to rescue? They claimed the man in the video had his face superimposed. When did they find out that there was an actual beheading of a real NAF pilot? Please explain your nonsense

EVarn:
how can a crashed jet be retrieved?.you should try using your custard filled skull,and stop embarrasing yourself.

Its not about the jet fool. Its about the pilot. Or Nigeria doesnt mind letting its pilots rot in the wreckage or even attempt to rescue them while they're alive.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/air_force_day_parade_2015_118/2015_saaf_air_force_day_parade_20150130_1897002458.jpg

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/air_force_day_parade_2015_118/2015_saaf_air_force_day_parade_20150130_1069243816.jpg


https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/air_force_day_parade_2015_118/2015_saaf_air_force_day_parade_20150130_1454075374.jpg


https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/air_force_day_parade_2015_118/2015_saaf_air_force_day_parade_20150130_1753194562.jpg

saairforce.co.za

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South African equipment.....impressing as usual



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t58VFhCvgw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

ELKASPBG:
nigerian navy will cook all S/A navy in less than 3mins

Cool story

agaugust:
South Africa is a garbage factory where all kinds of thrash gets manufactured. Your AMSCOR made robot cannon turned SANDF anti-aircraft gun on your own soldiers at home and killed them in training, nobody could control the gun until all its 35mm shells were fired on SANDF soldiers that were operating the gun, thus killing and maiming your own army with your own product at home. See where Chinese are better than you? Your own guns turn against SANDF and spray them with automatic fire , nation of garbage!!!
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Swiss-German produced Oerlikon 35mm anti aircraft gun. NOT manufactured in SA......thanks

Henry120:
SANDF Fairy tale defence review in a "nutshell".


There does not appear to be any real urgency regarding the Defence Review and its need to progress through the Parliamentary process enabling at least a start to be made on reversing the downward spiral of the South African military.

The latest example of tardiness can be found in the programme of the Joint Standing Committee on Defence for the first part of the 2015 Parliamentary work year.

The Parliamentary Programme Framework provides for a committee period between January 27 and February 11 for Parliamentary committees, such as defence, to meet and conduct oversight visits.

In essence it boils down to the Framework making time available for the various Parliamentary committees to work.

“It means 10 days, spanning 80 hours, of meetings could have been scheduled for the Joint Standing Committee on Defence to consider aspects of the Defence Review, by agreement the committee’s top priority. Sadly, not a single meeting has been scheduled for the committee period,” said David Maynier, opposition Democratic Alliance (DA) party shadow defence and military veterans minister.
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The Defence Review was completed at the request of then Defence Minister, Lindiwe Sisulu, by Roelf Meyer and his team for tabling in Parliament late in 2012. A change of Minister ensured this did not happen and when current Minister, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, eventually tabled the document in Parliament last July, its title was changed to reflect it as the 2014 Defence Review and not the 2012 Defence Review.

Among others, the Review stated the SANDF was “in a critical state of decline, characterised by force imbalance between capabilities; block obsolescence and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems; a disproportionate tooth-to-tail ratio; the inability to meet current standing defence commitments and the lack of critical mobility”.

Taking another excerpt from the Review (“even with an immediate intervention it could take at least five years to arrest the decline and another five to develop a limited and sustainable defence capability”) to illustrate the need to get on with the job as far as turning the SANDF around Maynier points out “there is an element of urgency”.

“Every day wasted talking about the Defence Review, rather the implementing it, accelerates the decline of the SANDF.”

He is not happy about the manner in which the Joint Standing Committee intends to deal with the Review.

“Its current rubberstamp programmes envisage dealing with the 344 page document, based on 435 stakeholder meetings and 76 public submissions at a cost of nearly R11 million to the taxpayer in three meetings. These meetings are set to last 10.5 hours and will take place between February 20 and March 5.”

He has proposed an alternative of 18 meetings including briefings on military preparedness, downsizing and rightsizing, acquisition priorities and affordability of Review proposals.

“In the end it is a disgrace that the SANDF is being held hostage by lazy and disinterested MPs serving on the Joint Standing Committee on Defence,” Maynier said this week.

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/Politics/Defence-committee-denies-being-lazy-20150128


Cape Town - Parliament's joint standing committee on defence on Wednesday denied it was "lazy" in dealing with the Defence Review. Committee co-chair Malusi Motimele said it was mischievous for committee member and DA MPDavid Maynier to criticise their work.Maynier accused the committee on Wednesday of only scheduling one Defence Review meeting in the last six months and holding the review "hostage".

He criticised it for not scheduling any meetings in the so-called "committee period" up to 11 February.Maynier felt the Defence Review had serious implications for the future of the defence force and should thus be dealt with urgently."The committee is aware of the urgency required for the revitalisation of the country's defence forces," Motimele said in a statement.Since the review was tabled in Parliament in July, the committee had met to consider the policy three times, he added."This is despite the fact that the committee was only established in October 2014.

"He said the committee held a three-day workshop to deal with the review, one he alleged Maynier did not attend.The committee said it was awaiting public comment on the review and would deal with submissions until next Saturday.Motimele said the committee was scheduled to meet on 20 February for public hearings."The committee is processing the Defence Review within the necessary framework and will do so with the necessary urgency."

The Defence Review was compiled by a committee of experts who scrutinised the SA National Defence Force.It found a number of shortcomings that had led to a steady decline in operations.

agaugust:
You like to be deceived by kids on internet posting stories that have no single source, military forces from one country to another, no single military of political source to quoted in that story.

Countries don't take in foreign forces without top level approval, Chadian army was going to Cameroon, President Biya announced it, President Deby confirmed.

Your news24 story has NO SINGLE NAME OF ANY MILITARY OR POLITICAL SOURCE mentioned....Kids fool you around on internet
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Did you watch my video that you requested of your NSA head calling your soldiers cowards? I even gave you the time in the video when he says it. Shame you think i forgot about that? First confirm that you watched the video (which you asked for) before i waste anymore time on you.

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-experts-to-help-Nigeria-tackle-Boko-Haram-20150126

Bad week for Nigerians on this forum

Former South African soldiers are off to Nigeria to help sort out your Boko Haram mess.

http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Boko-Haram-captures-Nigerian-town-of-Monguno-20150125


Maiduguri - Boko Haram Islamists on Sunday captured the northeastern town of Monguno, including a military base, after a fierce battle with Nigerian troops, security sources told AFP."Monguno has fallen, Monguno has fallen," said a senior military officer, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorised to talk to the media.

"We fought them all night long, but they took over the town, including the military barracks there," he said.Another security source confirmed that the Islamist militants had taken over the town, which lies about 137km from the Borno State capital, Maiduguri."It is true our troops lost Monguno to Boko Haram. They have taken over the town and the military barracks."Our troops had to withdraw after fighting the terrorists for several hours.


They came in full force and at the end overpowered our men," he said.He said troops were making efforts to reclaim the town and the barracks.


What a pathetic bunch of amateurs. Cowardly amateurs

So after last weeks deadly attacks, your so called pathetic military has lost Mongunu to Boko Haram? Including its military base. What a sad sad pathetic bunch of herd boys pretending to be soldiers . I would really love to hear the excuse given for this latest defeat.

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agaugust:
Nigeria will receive Akash SAM with advanced integrated air defence systems with mobile air search radars.

Equation Balanced, not only you will buy things.

Meanwhile as at today 2015, the ONLY air defence missile in South African military service is the useless 1km max ceiling hand held Starstreak toy missile that Togolese air force will destroy with Alpha jets


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Nigeria will buy Akash SAM systems ! See the photos of what we will be getting ! Awesome 35km range !

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/36402-india-help-boost-nigeria-s-air-defences.html

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Who is gona use this equipment? Your coward soldiers (as confirmed by your government)? Once they hear the roar of jet engines they will drop their equipment and run

2013 test fire of the increased range (20km) Umkhonto missile to be used by the SA Army, in phase 2 of the Ground Based Air Defence System.

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads/c40549e98be769b764a713cafa84cd4c.jpg

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads/4f37761a26ba11b2fa44aa5a84d6719b.jpg

agaugust:
Post the video for us to see
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http://www.chathamhouse.org/event/nigerias-security-insurgency-elections-and-coordinating-responses-multiple-threats

Video. At 55:00 minutes "we have a lot of COWARDS. Nobody is forcing them to join the army if they dont want. How can soldiers complain that they are poorly equipped if they lost so much equipment (including artillery pieces) to Boko Haram"



Now get on your knees and apologise you small boy. Your soldiers are cowards. Would rather run away than fight Boko Haram. Message straight from the top of your very own government. Case closed.

agaugust:
Another BBC false report copied from Facebook
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Video of NSA leader speaking yesterday is also false?

NaijaPikinGidi:
Haha!! Why didn't they foresee the xenophobic and criminal looting before it happened? How come you were too helpless to stop weaponless South Africans from stealing and destroying other people's hard sweat and investments? Whatever you wish to put in place would make no sense! Afterall, violence, stealing and xenophobic criminality is a way of life in South Africa.

What a helpless country! We know who the real cowards of Africa are! They ran from SELEKA in CAR. They couldn't handle the Rhino Poachers in your Parks. Now they stroll around unable to arrest your rampaging poverty stricken and criminal minded South Africans! Go get a job!

Add to that....Nigerian soldiers where called cowards by their own government. A message from right at the top.

NaijaPikinGidi:
Is this a guilty comment from a South African whose law enforcement officers are unwilling to control or bring to book weaponless criminals robbing foreigners in broad daylight?

I will withhold my key comments for now!

Since you clearly know how to google events in SA, you are also free to google what steps and plans the provincial and national government are putting in place to stop the looting in Soweto.

In the meantime, your soldiers have been called cowards by your government. Such a strong term.....COWARDS

NaijaPikinGidi:
And the violence and looting continues while the government watches!

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http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-01-23-hour-by-hour-soweto-xenophobia-spirals-into-disgrace

Looting in Soweto - correct
Nigerian soldiers being labelled cowards by their own government - correct

agaugust:
Nobody cries over British propaganda bros

So even when there is a video of the Nigerian NSA speaking are you SURE this is propaganda? So even with this video link you are still prepared to say this man DID NOT say Nigerian troops are cowards?

In your small head you think u are succeeding in distracting people away from this article with your "BBC, 150-2000, propaganda". I wont be distracted.

Nigerian soldiers are COWARDS.....message straight from the very top.

http://www.chathamhouse.org/event/nigerias-security-insurgency-elections-and-coordinating-responses-multiple-threats

agaugust:
Yes, same way BBC made up a fake casualty figure of 2,000 civilians dead in Baga, and apologized later when Nigerian army proved the true casualty is only 150 people including Boko Haram fighters
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Cool story bro. Are you done crying?

EVarn:
in Nigeria,things work according to hierachy.the minister for defense is the highest national security official,so once the NSA is abroad,the director of the department for state security stands in the NSA's stead under full command of the minister for defense.if the minister for defense is absent,then the minister for interior can hold his stead.so its possible that the NSA was not fully informed of events on ground.

Hello. Hi. You....yes you. Simple question that i asked....how long has your NSA been abroad? A few years or more probably a few days? He is fully aware of the situation on the ground in Nigeria. Hence he made these comments. Why would a man with such an important title make such striking comments if he himself knew he's not up to date with the situation troops face (or rather runaway from) on the ground? Your soldiers are cowards. Message straight from the top. Full stop.