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Henry120:
Actually when it concerns Nigeria and the COIN campaign, I can categorically state that they don't.

Why don't I ignore it........... it's Nigeria they are talking about dummy, and that's very much my business.


The report is Rubbish, yes.

You know more? Okay cool

Henry120:
Another make believe report.

Mods, transfer this to the garbage section.

I find such comments interesting. Why not just ignore it? Where there's smoke, there's fire. The ISS knows far more than you about the security/defence situation in Africa, and have thousands of more sources.

This report is rubbish because Henry120 says so. Okay :-)

http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Ex-SA-soldiers-playing-major-role-in-fight-against-Boko-Haram-20150305

Ex-SA soldiers 'playing major role in fight against Boko Haram


[b]Cape Town – Former South African Defence Force soldiers are reportedly playing a major role in the fight against Boko Haram extremists in Nigeria after they were hired by the west African country.

According to the Institute for Security Studies(ISS) several ex-South African Air Force (SAAF) pilots were also participating in the war against the Islamist insurgents.The report said the South African team together with other military experts from Britain, United States and France had contributed significantly to the recent successes of the Lake Chad Basin Commission forces against Boko Haram.

"The former SADF members are definitely playing a major role in this offensive. They have been in country for a significant time already, involved in training some specialised NDF [Nigerian Defence Forces] units," a former military intelligence was quoted as saying.

Beeld reported in January that the former SA soldiers were to form the core of a multinational team of private military experts to fight Boko Haram.The report, at the time, said that the 100-strong team had been tasked with training the Nigerian military in a massive campaign against the terrorist organisation.

This came after a Nigerian presidential security adviser stated that Nigeria's campaign against Boko Haram was being hampered by "cowards" within the armed forces, signalling dissatisfaction with how the military is handling the situation.  But Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakuladismissed the so called former SADF soldiers as mercenaries and said that they should be arrested when they return home.

"The police have a responsibility to ensure that, when they come back, those people are arrested and the [National Prosecutions Authority] has a responsibility to charge them. There are consequences for going out of the country and provide any form of military assistance as a mercenary, not as part of the deployment by government," Mapisa-Ngqakula was quoted as saying.

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.[/b]

I never got into this discussion before. Just find it interesting that more details seem to be coming out.

Henry120:
Nope, I did not make it up. The Rooivalk has proven to be a failure at multiple bid processes.

Fact, the Rooivalk is a french Helicopter. French expertise, French components, french design.

Lol...cool story. Even deep enough to say French design. You wouldnt happen to know which French company designed it for us? Surely there has to be some information on the net regarding this....i mean, you must have read this somewhere. Please share.

agaugust:
Defence expenditure posts are trolling comments on a military thread/forum? You must be very sick!

Nigeria's $2 Billion new weapons funs is VERY VERY VERY different from the South African minister of defence's cashless fund allocation papers.

President Jonathan's $2 Billion is NOT part of defence budget, it is a special fund ONLY for buying new weapons/equipment like jet fighters, combat helicopters, missiles, tanks etc.....it is different and separate from Nigeria's yearly $6 billion ministry of defence budget.....that is the kind of budget your defence minister is struggling to spend from.....basic defence budget that will be swallowed up by the over-paid lazy sleep at home SANDF parasite soldiers who avoid going to war in hot zones like C.A.R Bangui where Seleka rebels are waiting to slaughter SANDF
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Please just kill yourself. Please. Do you think our defence minister gets given a budget, and then when she feels like it just decides who will get what?

Contained within a defence budget are the different allocations for salaries, operations, new equipment etc etc. There is nothing VERY VERY different. South Africa also has a Special Defence Account used to aquire weapons. The Special Defence Account is used to purchase weapons that are considered sensitive and secret. Which is why i always laugh when you say South African weapons are all on the internet to see.


Whether the funds are separate or contained within the bulk of the budget, there is nothing very very different. In both Nigeria and South Africa's cases, funds have been allocated for a specific purpose. But because you're a troll you ignore the fact that the cases are the same.

Henry120:
It's a 2007 article. So tell us what how things have gone better?

Since the article.........

*The Rooivalk has gone on to fail miserably other bids.

* The Production has since been closed

* The SAAF now only have 10 Helicopters in service for an over 1.2 million KM square area, as a Rooivalk was damaged beyond repair and another used in an institute.

* The Rooivalk again showed it's an expensive piece of obsolete metal, with a high running cost running cost and poor outdated avionics.


The article may have been written in 2007, but it is as up to date as a few seconds ago.

The Rooivalk is more of a french helicopter than South-African. I'm only stating the facts, and understand that it hurts.

Your article said no further money is to be spent on Rooivalk from 2007. Why post that if it is no longer valid? Production has close since when? Were they still producing Rooivalk airframes when that article was written? You see how you keep talking out your a.ss?

You havent the slightest clue about Rooivalk avionics and when they were upgraded so keep your ignorance to yourself.

Henry120:
Denel has now decided that the Rooivalk, on whose development the government spent R8bn, is not commercially viable and it will not spend any new money on the helicopters.
Armscor and the defence department will now have to decide whether to subsidise the maintenance of Denel's Rooivalk capability so that it can continue servicing the 12 helicopters bought by the South African Air Force over their 25-year lifespan.
The other option would be for the air force to mothball the helicopters and for the costs to be written off entirely.



"Liebenberg said that after Denel's failure to win the $2bn Turkey tender for 50 helicopters after giving it its best shot, the company realised that it would not be able to sell the Rooivalk anywhere else and that it could not sustain the project commercially."



After 14 failed bids, there is no doubt in my mind that buyers rejected the Helicopter because it is obsolete.





As to how it is French, we've been proving this over the years.

There isn't any proof to show the apartheid regime could independently conceptualise and build an Helicopter.

That Helicopter was built entirely on french expertise, same as on the Super Puma.

Thank you for posting an article years and years old. An article from f*cken 2007!. That decision not to spend any more money was long overuled. This article was even before the lastest block Rooivalk which the airforce currently uses. Denel spent a bunch of money on Rooivalk after this ancient article of yours. Next time do some research before you come running here with a useless article.

Rooivalk only uses French components in it's engine. The airframe, optronics and weapons systems are South African. No amount of your jealousy will change that.

agaugust:
Thanks for stylishly admitting South Africa is afraid of NAF buying JF-17 Thunder especially if a BVR missile comes with it, you go peepee for ya shokoto and pata

Yes...because the A Darter programme (started 1995) and Marlin programme (started 10 years ago) where developed because SA was scared of future Nigerian JF-17's. You see how you keep talking sh*t? Nigeria can buy whatever it wants....in the meantime SA is making sure it has world class short and long range missiles for its platforms.

agaugust:
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May, likely, planning to, trying to....Blah Blah Blah.

Do you know what Nigeria too is planning? AWACS aircraft! Just waiting to confirm details from inside sources.

Today, SAAF has NO single A-Darter and MARLIN missile does NOT even exist.

Case closed[/size]
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Good. Now take that delusion out of your head of thinking any JF-17 will ever fire a BVRAAM at us before we a fully equiped with world class short and long range missiles.

agaugust:
CONCLUSION : SAAF has NO SINGLE A-Darter in service
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Conclusion: NAF has no single JF-17 in service

agaugust:
Modern Hind wheels are now retractable, fool.

Your Rooivalk fixed wheels will break of by force in a crash land.

A-129 is a 1980 design, so you can compare your obsolete Rooivalk....birds of same feather flock together.


Apache landing gear is underbelly NOT glued to wing area airframe....open your eyes...don't be like the 3-blind-mice

Rooivalk helicopter airframe is obsolete design, alone has scared every potential customer....NOBODY IS GONNA FVCKING BUY YA FVCKING OLD ROOIVALK TURKEY
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Listen to this f00l. Ok let us assume the wheels break during a CRASH LANDING.....and so what? It's a f*cken crash landing....the helicopter isnt going anywhere after that. What happens if a Hind with retractable wheels has a crash landing? Do two highly skilled Russian technicians crawl out of the retractable wheel bay, fix the broken chopper and make it fly again? Your desperation sounds pathetic...i feel sorry for you.

agaugust:
SAAF has no A-Darter in service today.

By the time you buy any single A-Darter, NAF JF-17 will have BVR missiles with 100 km range so your unlucky Gripen jet will not even be able to launch any of it's unlucky 22 km range A-Darter missile before it gets shot down by NAF JF-17 Devastating Thunder jets
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http://www.janes.com/article/43439/marlin-nears-first-test-aad143

19 September 2014

https://www.janes.com/images/assets/439/43439/Marlin-nears-first-test-_AAD143_.jpg

WHO DO YOU THINK WILL GET A WORLD CLASS BVRAAM 1ST? We showed the world we develop world class high tech products with A Darter, you think this will be any different?

[b]Denel Dynamics expects to conduct the first flight test of its Marlin 100km radar-guided anti-air missile early next year. The first launch will be conducted from the ground at Overberg Test Range, and will be a ballistic test to check out the missile’s basic flight systems.Successful ballistic tests should lead to programmed tests, in which the missile’s midcourse guidance and flight control systems are used to control the missile’s flightpath.

The final stage of trials will be closed-loop fully guided tests, with the missile’s seeker providing control inputs to the guidance section. In the meantime, Denel Dynamics will conduct ground testing and captive air testing of the latest version of seeker.

What is now known as Marlin has been a Denel Dynamics project to develop an active radar missile for around 10 years. The missile has evolved into one that is capable of satisfying land, sea and air applications, and its design has been carefully crafted to meet the requirements of surface and air launch. It employs a degree of modularity that allows it to incorporate elements from the successful A-Darter and Umkhonto programmes, such as the motor technology and fuze. The missile relies on the same motor for all its applications, negating the need to develop.

During the development of the weapon, the seeker has undergone an evolution to take account of technological advances. For instance, the original functions of five digital signal processing cards have been compressed to fit on one card, in turn freeing significant capacity for additional processing.This has allowed the seeker to be made capable of simultaneous multi-target tracking. Other benefits are the ability of four channels to be processed in parallel, rather than sequentially. An operational result is the increase in electronic counter-countermeasures performance, the seeker being able to discriminate between chaff, jamming and the real target.

Marlin is being developed by Denel Dynamics as a technology demonstration programme to a Department of Defence/Armscor contract. It was unveiled at the LAAD show in Rio de Janeiro last year, and Brazil is being courted as a likely partner.[/b]

agaugust:
SAAF has no A-Darter in service today.

By the time you buy any single A-Darter, NAF JF-17 will have BVR missiles with 100 km range so your unlucky Gripen jet will not even be able to launch any of it's unlucky 22 km range A-Darter missile before it gets shot down by NAF JF-17 Devastating Thunder jets
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Um...Nigeria has no JF-17 jet. You are a cocaine fuelled crack addict if you believe that Nigeria will purchase jets, train pilots on all systems and weapons, and be have even 5% of a fully trained squadron by this time next year. As opposed to A Darter which is being produced this year, ready for the SAAF.

A Darter is a self defence missile to defend against any useless crap you throw at us.

agaugust:
I said the airframe design is obsolete and I stand by it, a 20 year old design is obsolete today. Tell me a Toyota Camry 1995 model is a modern design.

I posted photos of both Rooivalk and modern version of Hind for you to compare, I said look at the tyres/landing gear, but as a life-time member of the 3-blind-mice society of South Africa, you failed to see that the obsolete Rooivalks tyres hang outside permanently like an old horses' dîck, while the modern Hinds tyres are invisible as a retractable landing gear.

You are Grand Patron of the 3-blind-mice society with life-long permanent membership
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Again. You have said absolutely nothing. You think vehicle/civilian designs change for the same reason as military designs? What a useless comment. You have yet to show how our "obsolete" airframe is worse than a Hind. You wont....because you cant. Our Rooivalk with non-retractable wheels will literally do backflips over your fat piece of sh.it.

agaugust:
Thanks for quoting that United Nations say the Hind is better.

Ukraine flies older generation Hinds , but Nigeria flies new generation 2014 Hind E versions with the most modern and sophisticated Russian avionics
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You are yet to show how Hind E is better than Rooivalk. Keep your personal opinions to yourself, and save room on this forum.

agaugust:
You were here when Southies posted 3 different OPV options for SAN to buy, they confessed not sure which on your broke navy may buy....SANDF is broke.

You envy Nigeria's new purchases especially our missile armed drones that South Africa will not have
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How do you expect people on this forum to know which OPV the SA Navy will purchase when the tender process ends July, followed by test and evaluation phase? Are you mad?

agaugust:
$2 billion dollars was released by Nigerian president 6 months ago specially for new weapons purchase only, and after the release, NAF announced it will buy JF-17 Thunder.

No argument needed!

SANDF is reported broke and will soon retrench soldiers en-mass, plus self imposed embargo on new weapons purchases.

Now go jump into river orange with a bag of Dangote cement strapped to your back
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SANDF to increase numbers to 81 000 in 2017/2018. You must first get a heads up on the situation before you spew p00 out your mouth.

agaugust:
NAF flew 5,390 combat sorties in less than one year, dead air forces or dead men don`t fly aircraft !

NAF JF-17 Thunder 4th generation jet fighter is on the way....25 to 40 units
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Soon to be shot down by top of the range, 5th generation A Darter AAM.

agaugust:
Dare me for what? Are you blind and illiterate? The ugly and super ugly Rooivalk helicopter design is about 20 years old, the final production design is both ugly and very obsolete by modern standards. Look at the tyres-landing gear, nobody in his right senses will design combat helicopter landing gear like that today.

Nigeria has latest version of Russian Mi-35 Hind E with latest 2014 avionics, not the old ones in your Rooivalk, NAF flies same combat helicopters with Russia`s mighty air force.

Stop fvcking yourself dude, the SAAF Rooivalk wasted too much time on design table and by the time it entered service, the airframe design has become obsolete... compare the Rooivalk and Hind....Ya fvcking Rooivalk design iz fvcking obsoletz nobody`s gonna buy it

So in everything you've said you have been unable to say exactly what about Rooivalk is obsolete....exept to say "look at the tyres". It brings me to the conclusion that you dont know what obsolete means. You have been unable to show how Mi-35 is better than Rooivalk, making Rooivalk obsolete. Then you mention avionics....shame im sure somewhere in your head you think Rooivalk uses 1980's avionics. Keep embarrassing yourself....I couldnt care less.

[img]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=230301&d=1424902744[/img]

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/armed_forces_day_2015_120/armed_forces_day_2015_28_20150223_1314974138.jpg

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https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/armed_forces_day_2015_120/armed_forces_day_2015_27_20150223_1473538874.jpg

Ratel Variants. Always wondered why the anti tank/armour variant with Ingwe missiles has a different paint scheme.

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Mighty Rooivalk in United Nations colours

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/armed_forces_day_2015_120/armed_forces_day_2015_32_20150223_1606230410.jpg

agaugust:
Rooivalk is ugly, even the final prototype till production variant are both very ugly.

Rooivalk design is TOTALLY OBSOLETE
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Please explain how the design is obsolete. I dare you. Tell us what design elements Rooivalk has that are "obsolete". And i presume these same design elements WILL NOT be found in any Nigerian helicopters. Be a man....explain yourself....i dare you.

charlos14:
They emphasized so much on it that it was seemed like a Denel product henceforth, I will take any of their tales with a pinch of Salt.

Let me take a screenshot of the wikipedia page before they go and edit it

The Badger uses the Patria suspension and chassis only. All other weapons and subsystems are South African. You cannot buy a Badger IFV in any other country exexpt for South Africa. Fact.

The fact that you are only finding this out now shows that you are new to this forum. Dont bother with your screenshot.....added useless information we already know.

agaugust:
This is Nigeria's weapons money in action, not some 16 page paper budget of funds to pay salaries of soldiers and buy SANDF HIV drugs for your half dead 30 battalions of soldiers who will die before enemy even shoots them.

Cash buys weapons, not PDF files and paper stories of wish list...

http://allafrica.com/stories/201410230300.html

http://www.punchng.com/news/military-takes-delivery-of-two-jets-loaded-with-weapons/
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I said show us the EFT, bank stamp, signature from branch manager of the deal to purchase J-17 jet. Something you dont yet have. I can also show you military equipment we have and say "our money in action". You challenged me....you lost...then you started to divert the topic. All those projects i mentioned are confirmed by national treasury....whether u like it or not. Kondor E satellite...in service. Deal with it

agaugust:
The fact that I said its a 16 page PDF proves I read it.

It's nothing but a piece of paper until backed up by physical cash.

Same way SANDF was boasting about buying A400M Airbus super lift aircraft, and even made part payment, then could not raise the balance cash and your penniless broke air force had to cancel the contract and abandon hope of ever buying A400M aircraft forever.

I work in defense industry so I don't follow paper list of wishful weapons purchases unless the government has released cash for it.

PDF file papers and budget papers are not cash that buys you weapons....you need real money...SANDF has NO NO NO MONEY for weapons purchase, stop fooling yourself with paper documents, it won't even buy you bananas
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U want us to post the bank statements and invoices? Are you mentally well? Are you sick? SANDF is getting that equipment, with a defence satellite currently oribiting.....no one cares if you believe it or not. Its a fact. A400 was cancelled because of project delays and the price doubled. Again...go cry in your sad corner.

Show us the bank invoice of Nigerian purchase of J-17. Show us the EFT transfer. Show us the bank stamp. You see how ridiculous your demands are??

agaugust:
You posted a wish-list and a daydream of hopes, not reality.

I too can sit at home and write list of BMW, Bently, Benz, Range Rover, Lexus that I will buy 2015-2016...but do I have all that cash ready?

Web link source is NOT = cash

PDF file is 16 pages of paper story and NOT = money

#ShowUsSANDFcashForWeapons !
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You proved my point that you never even read the PDF. That is a printed list from NATIONAL TREASURY listing the spending of the SANDF for 2015/2016. So dont waste my damn time.

agaugust:
That's money for paying salaries to SANDF troops, pension to retired soldiers/veterans, plenty anti-retroviral HIV drugs for your HIV crippled 30 battalions of soldiers, and loan interest repayment for submarine bank loan debt.

SANDF is choking to death for lack of funds, your military is in financial crisis
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If you dont want to read the proof link u asked for thats your problem. That link outlines all defence spending for 2015/2016. When you get the link you asked for you derail your own question....dont waste my time.

Funding for IPV's, OPV's, new torpedos all outlined in the link. Waste your own time, not mine.

agaugust:
You CANNOT buy military satellite and escape United Nations arms log registration, both buyer and seller will be in violation of legally binding UN Convention on arms transfer.

South Africa has no space satellite until confirmed by the Russians who manufacture it. Then Kondor-E is an ordinary satellite not a spy satellite.....Russian sources proved the specifications.

Dream on bro , hallucinations are free if charge, even street beggars have them
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Shame. I can feel your jealousy. From u bragging last year that South Africa has no defence satellite. Confirmed by our Defence Secretary last year that our military satellite project was on track and on schedule for launch. And right on time last year, Kondor E satellite is launched. Spy capable confirm...Kondor E satellite was for the SANDF. 30 Russian technicians working in SA on the project. Go cry in your corner.

agaugust:
Show us proof of money released, you have no money for new weapons, cannot even afford one single Mokopa ATGM....SANDF is broke long term....your military under a self imposed arms embargo....cashless and penniless
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Shame you didnt know. The budget speech was on Wednesday.


Projects for this year and their funds

http://www.treasury.gov.za/documents/national%20budget/2015/enebooklets/Vote%2019%20Defence%20and%20Military%20Veterans.pdf

Now kindly sit down.

agaugust:
Reminder: No single South African pilot has ever used your current Gripen and Hawk jets to sh.oot down a single enemy aircraft. Your pilots are even not combat qualified to use Gripen jet in war. Ancient Mirage jets of Angloan war got SAAF defeated by teenage Cuban pilots, you never shot d.own Cuban MiG-23 jets air to air.

SAAF has no aces by world standard, Gripen jet ace, whom did he shoot down with a Gripen.... Kenya Airways 747 ?
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Fly your rust bucket F7 jets into Australian airspace against Australian fighter pilots who have also never used their most modern fighter jets to shoot down a single enemy aircraft. And let us see how many seconds it will take them to turn you into minced meat. You see how useless your point is?

All SAAF Gripen pilots are fully trained on their machines. And have gone through air combat flying before they even put a big toe inside a Gripen.

http://m.mg.co.za/article/2015-02-26-sa-spied-on-own-government-to-get-facts-on-100m-russian-deal

MORE ON SPY SATELLITE - LEAKED SPY CABLES REVEAL MORE DETAILS ON SECRET PROJECT


[b]South Africa’s intelligence service relied on a spy “with direct access to the Russian government” to find out details of its own government’s involvement in a $100-million joint satellite surveillance programme with Russia, the leaked spy cables obtained by Al-Jazeera and shared with The Guardian reveal.

The satellite system, known as Project Condor, which was launched into orbit by Russia in December last year, provides surveillance coverage of the entire African continent. The project has been shrouded in secrecy, with Russia originally refusing to reveal who its client was.Those in the dark appear to have included South Africa’s intelligence agency. But a South African agent with access to Russian military intelligence was able to help, according to a leaked espionage report marked “top secret” and dated August 28 2012.

The intelligence report records a briefing from an agent codenamed “Agent Africanist”, who is identified as having direct links with the government in Moscow and Russian intelligence officers, including those closely involved in the joint satellite project.SurveillanceProject Condor would, the agent reported, place “South Africa in a position to conduct its own aerial surveillance in Africa, potentially right up to Israel for strategic military purposes”.[/b]