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You must learn to answer questions that are asked instead of talking like a politician. How could you claim victory in your naval simulation when you didn't simulate your enemy firing one single shot at you? not one single shot? Is that realistic?Tell us that....HOW? Fool. You only win these simulations of yours in your head.

And I'm still waiting for agaugust to give a response to his naval simulation. Making excuses that he has been blocked. Tell us, tell the world how you could claim victory when you didn't let the South Africans fire a single shot in your simulation. Explain that to us you big fraud. You didn't let our navy guns or helicopters fire a single shot, then you claim victory? In your mind did our Navy go there on a sight seeing trip? You big fraud.

Roland does not need to switch off his rader, it Umbani and Paveway bombs are zero threat, Roland will shoot down all of them, bombs are slow, Paveway speed is 35km/hr but Roland missile speed is 2,000km/hr and we are not F00LS here my boy, dont you know basic maths and physics ? compare the speed, and Roland missile flies at 2,000km/hr perfectly shoots down Umbani/Paveway flying 35km/hr. did you pass science in school ? can 35km/hr out-run 2,000km/hr[b/]

So you are claiming that the Wikipedia link that clearly states [b]"Roland's latest upgraded versions have limited ability to counter incoming low RCS munitions (large-caliber heavyweight rockets)" is false? Everything else about the Roland on that page is true, but this line is false? Is that your claim? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_(missile). Is that what you are saying? If you claim this line is false, we don't ever want to see your sticky fingers using a Wikipedia link again, for any of your posts. There are very few, if any heavyweight rockets which fly super sonic, they are all slow versus missiles. So the matter is not about the speed of the munitions vs Roland. It's about how Roland is an offensive weapon, and much harder to use in the defensive role. If you can provide me with a link stating how effective Roland is in self-defence mode, I will be happy to read it.

"the beginning of your failure is that you dont know that guided bombs are not really meant for moving targets that can defend themselves, they are for buildings, fixed assets, runways, roads, etc. Roland speed on ground is more about double the speed of the umbani, Roland will move away and GPS location changes to confuse the Gripen."

You say Roland will move away and the GPS position will change, confusing the Gripen. It means you haven't read or understood the tracking capabilities of the Thales Recon Pod. It also means you haven't read or understood the link that I showed you, where it clearly states that Umbani is able to change it's course mid-flight and still hit a target. So your Roland running away will not change anything. And even if you did try and run away, show us a link stating if Roland can hit targets while on the move please. If you are running away from our jets to change your GPS position, that gives us time to hit your heavy aritllery and tanks which would be the original mission.


is the Gripen radar or recconaisance pod a televison screen that tells you difference between a Roland vehicle, AXM-30 Tank that has the same body/chasis/hull, T-72 Tank, Toyota 4Runner SUV, Bulldozer/Carterpillar, Industrial heavy machinery on roads, Steyr APC...do you think the things show like an MTV movie on televison ? sorry you are wrong its more like detection of presence of many metals on the ground too far away to be defined as Roland or Hummer 4x4 Army Jeep

You have exposed your ignorance and this comment deserve no detailed reply. It's more like detecting many metals on the ground? Wow, how embarrassing to say such on a public forum . When you have time educate yourself about the strenght and capabilities of recon pods used in service by many air forces around the world today. If a scope on a sniper rifle can help a soldier see clearly at 2km, what do you think a powerful electro optical reconnaise package can do? You claim to be our teacher, so educate yourself on that fact. And see the amazing technology that is available


"if Gripen enters that 6.5km range you just changed to above, both the Gripen and its guided bomb will all be shot down by Roland. Argentina did it to the great British Royal airforce in falsland war, both the British jet and its two launched bombs were all shot down by only one Roland and it was not as good as nigerian Roland, it was a fixed un-movable Roland SAM. British air force never attacked that Roland again, they sent their army to capture it on land. is south africa air force better than than British air force"

That is amazing. But you nicely forget that a 1980's Harrier jet (with 1980's weapons systems and electronics) doesn't come anywhere close to a 2013 Gripen jet (with 2013 weapons systems and electronics). The Roland system was a good air defence system when it was facing jets of that time. Even at the maximum range of your Roland, there is no need whatsoever for us to enter that range or altitude, while still being able to pinpoint your position.

dont miss classes when i lecture my south african students. the more fuel you carry on Gripen, the less weapons, simple science, its maximum load is fixed. failure to carry self protection air to air missiles will expose Gripen to ordinary F-7 jets and it has same speed and longer range and higher altitude than Gripen. the F-7 is not the crap you south africans and some ignorant nigerians call it. i just showed you its area of superiority to Gripen

The Gripen jets that flew to Zambia from South Africa carried full fuel, external drop tanks, Thales Reconnaissance Pods, as well missiles. They did not do it in 15 minutes, nor did they run out of fuel and crash. So best believe your F-7 jets would be shot down if they dared face us. And in any case, if South Africa was to go to war with Nigeria, our main base would not be in SA. There would be forward operating bases and landing strips much closer to the front line, giving the Gripen much more range. https://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2362/bcbc9f5ca7874be59423c0da80f4f23b.jpg

https://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2362/3d0123f6eecc4b5d8e289bd6c466090f.jpg

Augustine Again: you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills

stop quoting 4th generation, and a system in place to hit a Roland, what system ? all the systems in Gripen is known on internet data specs, so what system ? i defeated it, radar, then what syatem ? paveway and umbani guided bombs technical data and systems are available on internet, i defeated it, so what systems are you talking about here ? did you personally build a new Gripen or Umbani ?

i said american air force most modern jets gets shot down till today and you are boasting of south africa ?

Roland combat history says it is a perfect bomb k.iller, it k.ills all bombs from the air, so all your long range high altitude bombs are useless before Roland SAM and the umbani bomb is not a missile so it is very slow, and Roland is faster many times more to shoot down the bombs many kilometers before you reach Roland

South Africa has NO long range stand -off air to surface missile to hit a nigerian Roland SAM. go back to air force training school and learn the frustrating tactics of enemy air defence, stop doing copy and paste from wikipedia data of range and speed you cannot interprete in practical battle field engagement

you are looking for Roland from 100km away and 50,000 ft above, you fail again as usual the picture below is like a Roland you can never see from long distance.

tell me another story.

[img]http://www.zmne.hu/tanszekek/ehc/konferencia/may/Image264.gif[/img]

The reason our Gripen and Hawks would be in the air in the first place is to destroy your heavy artillery and tanks. We wouldn't initially go looking for Roland. If your military commanders do not put your Roland SAM at a 5km radius of your heavy artillery, they must rather go sell chicken at a market because they don't know what they are doing. So you think Nigeria will put it's SAM system in the middle of a random field and hope a SA jet will fly past? No. You will place your SAM systems near assets that need immediate air cover. So we already know your Roland is within a given radius of our artillery targets. Once you try track us with your Roland it is over for you. Your radar will give you away, that is a fact. Your initial tracking radar tracks targets further than your missile range, so long before you switch to optical sight you need your radar switched on. That is your death sentence. Our pilots will be able to identify different targets from the safey of their cockpits. I told you South African pilots do not identify targets just by looking out the window like they do in Nigeria. So we will know exactly what to fire at.Read up on the tracking and target recongition capabilities of the Thales Digital Recon Package https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/aad2012/20120920_EOS500D_090839.jpg

And to add to that, your friend Wikipedia says "The optical channel would normally be employed only in daylight against very low-level targets or in a heavy jamming environment". Our Umbani and Digital Recon work perfectly at night. Your Roland radar would be like a lost child at night. Using its radar at night to try and track us at 18km, while your missiles can only travel less than half of that distance. You will be sitting targets. Every single fighter jet ever shot down by surface to air missiles has been shot down WITHIN the range of the missile. Unfortuneatly for you, the range of your Roland 2 SAM is just to short.

And what makes you think we need to fire at you from 100km away and at 50 000 feet? 100km is just the maximum range of Umbani. We can hit you from 6.5km if we want. I have posted about how Umbani performed a test having it change course during its flight path and still hit the target from many kilometers away. Google "SA/UAE joint guided weapon successfully completes difficult test mission"

You claim that Roland will shoot down incoming bombs and munitions. But your friend Wikipedia that you love so much states: "Roland's latest upgraded versions have limited ability to counter incoming low RCS munitions (large-caliber heavyweight rockets)". If the LATEST version of Roland have a poor ability to shoot down incoming munitions, then your Nigerian Roland 2 is even much less effective. So you can keep dreaming to yourself that your Roland will be able to protect itself. Umbani can be rocket assisted, so it is not slow as you claim.

And about our Gripen range. The range is extended much much further simply by adding external drop tanks, which still give space for our Recon Pod as well as missiles. Do you think the our Gripens which flew to Zambia did it in 15 minutes from Limpopo to Lusaka? You are a fool.

So like I say you have been defeated in your own challenge. You know that for a fact. Your only real response is that your Roland SAM will hide away from us. Once you try shoot us down you are finished, provided we stay above 5km off the ground which is not high at all (maybe that is high in the Nigerian air force). You have lost at your own game. Stop giving me excuses about your Naval Simulation reply. Type it again without the pictures

Augustine Again: .
https://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Gripen/The%20face%20of%20success_JamieHunter_440x277.jpg


Gripen Jet Vs Roland SAM air defense

I knew you would avoid my initial question. I asked you, yes or no can Umbani hit a Roland SAM? You said no. You have provided absolutely no technical evidence why you say no. You have only claimed you would hide your Roland from sight. So already you have failed. Point number 2, Roland does not track its targets by magic. The Gripen electronic package will pick up when it is being tracked by radar. So the only way for you to try shoot us down is to expose your position which your radar beams give away. Once your turn your tracking on, you have exposed yourself, and the Gripen reconnaissance pod will pin point your GPS location. Do you think SA pilots find their targets by looking out the window? Again, you have failed. If you think the Gripen has endurace of 15 minutes you have exposed yourself to not having a clue what you are talking about. Do yourself a favour and Google the Gripen range and endurance. Why would SA Gripens try and bomb all Roland SAM across Nigeria? The bombing would be in a given area to clear air space for helicopters to drop ground forces for example. So we only need our Gripen and hawks to clear a given area at a time. This long awaited reply of yours is a massive fail and disappointment. You have failed at your own challenge. How pathetic. First your naval blockage simulation was a sham, now this.

patriot4: Your article is actualy an advert meant to entice buyers, and it never talked about 800 buyers, it said 800 were in use worlds wide.
And I still don't see how relevant bringing your ad is. It still remains that your system is not only easy to make by anyone with highschool knowledge of physics and little skills in programming

Rather just go to sleep my friend. Have a good nights rest, then tomorrow you can come think of a better comeback. Because all you are doing now is digging your hole deeper.

Arachnida II WMS

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/arachnida2.JPG

The Arachnida II is based on the very successful Arachnida I system, of which 800 are currently in service worldwide, with the SELEX GALILEO FIN3110 inertial navigation unit as primary sensor.Arachnida II system has Sun-Readable colour touch screens and is suitable for mounting on Self Propelled Artillery, Towed Artillery, Mounted Guns, Multiple Rocket Launchers and reconnaissance vehicles. It navigates the Gun or Launcher accurately on a map background, with or without GPS, and therefore completely eliminates any survey procedures. The system provides for full on-board autonomous ballistic calculations and for receiving fire orders via radio data link. Gun Laying can be done accurately to within 1 mil RMS, while offsets for direct firing are calculated automatically. The new system can also include the function of fully automatic gun pointing with the required upgrades to the Gun Control System.

http://denellandsystems.co.za/artillery/arachnida_II.html

I guess those 800 customers worldwide could have just come to Patriot instead. He would have done it for them on his laptop for free while watching Game of Thrones on the other tab . I don't like kicking a man when he is down, but he asked for it.

patriot4: Let me give you one example which will show you how wrong you are:
The USA created a special ink that could be used in space, it cost millions of dollars and the Russians replied by simply using a pencil, it costed them the price of a pencil.
And I don't knw that your denel, but if that "modernization" cost you more than the price of calculators then they are milking you dry. And as I have said I could do it for free, but it still is useless.

There is absolutely nothing wrong is saying you are wrong and made a mistake. It's not a sin. I only start to ridicule people when they force an argument even when they know they are sinking. I doubt you can even articulately explain to me what you mean. Whether you are talking about basic Newtonian laws which anyone with highschool phyics can do, or fire correction. Which is a completely different ball game. By the way your story about the NASA pen was a hoax/fake used in a TV commercial. The real story is different...Google it if you want.

"And as I have said I could do it for free"...and this is where I will stop arguing with you. I can almost sense the desperation in your voice to try and gain some sort of dignity when you know full well that you are wrong. If Nigerians still run around the battlefield with pocket calculators in 2013, let me not judge you. But just to give you a hint, the rest of the world (with up to date artillery systems) moved on about 50 years ago.

patriot4: You are a verry funny man, I talked about highschool because the handling of such a gun is a thing a highschool student can do, mostly because the physics education in high schools gives you all the tools needed here.
I also hope you know that in the calculators of today, you can actually write programs, you can actually add sensors, and virtually that your "beautiful computer" is not more usefull than a calculator. And I am fed up of this aimless discussion you called "argument". Your "modernization" is verry easy to do, for God's sake I could do it for free, the only thing is that it is useless. Now let's focuss on the topic instead of discussing about your "magic computers".

And that's why companies like Denel Land Sysyems and BAE pay their engineers very well each month for years and years to develop these systems to be as accurate as possible, while you could do it in a few days while probably watching porn on your other tabs. If you believe that you are nothing but delusional. You have dug yourself into a hole but your pride wont admit you are wrong. Companies hate spending money they don't have to. Millions and millions of dollars are spent on these systems to test and perfect them, but you claim to be able to do it alone at home. Bask in your shame because your argument is dead in the water.

patriot4: I think your software is not more usefull than a simple calculator. Must we attach the calculator to the guns for you to call it modern ?
The only advantage you could have with your "software" is that you wouldn't need to train your men as much.
By the way such "software" is not difficult to make. I could write the program and run it on my laptop.
Anyway, I think you have now got the point that your "modernization" is not only useless but it is also easy for individuals to do the same. And a laptop could replace that your attached computer verry easilly.
Frankly, i prefer a pen and a paper.

I rest my case. And you say you have a masters. I'm not talking about Newtonian laws which will give you theoretical impact positions based on the mass, velocity and fire angle of your projectile. No wonder you even brought up the topic of high school in this argument, it means we are talking on completely different levels of intellect. If you think giving your gunners Sharp calculators to correct for wind while also taking fire from incoming shells is a good idea, you have done nothing but embarrass yourself on this forum. Goodluck integrating and solving for the shift in projectile position due to the accumulated drag force of a crosswind on your pocket calculator, while keeping in mind your projectile speed is not constant. Very best of luck to you.....how idiotic

patriot4: Does the gun project something that is supposed to move in the air ? yes !
Does the shape of the gun and the mechanical aspect of the gun have effects on the movement of the object being projected ? Yes !

And this man says because his class got 20/20 in HIGH SCHOOL, this field is easy. don't know if I should laugh or feel sorry for you. If you are firing at a target 50km away, what is the missing error due to cross winds for example? Yes the mechanical aspects of the gun will give you range, but what about fire correction? Do you honestly believe that a Nigerian sitting there with a pen and paper will be faster at providing his team of gunners with fire correction inputs, over a computer designed to account for cross winds, head winds, tail winds, other atmospheric conditions etc etc? if you don't understand the benefit of having software as a tool in aiding long range fire, go to your university and demand a refund. you were ripped off.

patriot4: As usual, one needs to explain something ten times before andrewza could understand it.
Four year old children understand quicker than andrewza.
Look even in high school you learn enough about physics to be able to control such a gun with precision.
As I have already said, the computer is completely useless, unless ofcourse the person using the gun has been trained in following the orders from the computer rather than on how to use such a gun. So I rpeat it again: the computer doesn't make the gun modern.
What makes it modern is a specific design to better its aerodynamics. It is only the mechanical modifications that make the gun modern, so you can even put 1000 computers next to the gun, it doesn't make it modern.

If you don't know wat you're talking about rather keep quiet. Do you think our troops are watching game of thrones on those computers? So if Nigeria was offered guns with and without fire countrol software you would choose guns without? Such useless logic. Those computers as you call them give much much better fire control. Our gunners are able to adjust firing angles and distances much quicker. They also give gunners information on the correct charge to use, given the position of the target and atmospheric conditions. You know for a fact you would rather be on the side which has modern combat systems.

Donian007: Stop lieing, Agustine have shown clear sensibility with facts in all he posts!

The same man who stated he would block the Nigerian naval ports with old ships and rubbish, which in his mind would prevent our ships on firing on yours. Forgetting that your own navy is now stuck at your ports and can't meet ours in a head on fight. Same man who claimed to have sunk our Navy in a simulation, but in that simulation he doesn't let our side fire a single shot. He puts our ships nicely within range of your guns, doesn't allow them to shoot or even move. Then claims victory. Is this your sensible man? Haha...ok then

agaugust: by the way how did yugoslavia sell 1,500 units of M56 artillery from 1998 to 2004 including powerful nations like pakistan if the gun is a 1945 copy technology ? pakistan has a better military than south africa and the pakis dont buy old inferior weapons.

[b]the M56 sold 1,500 units around the world, but south africa G6 sold only 145 units around the world.

[/b]you see how south africa over-rates itself in everything ? including weapons manufacturing and sales !

Toyota Tazz sold many many many more units than the BMW 3 series of that time. Does that make the Tazz a better car than the 3 series? No it doesn't. It just means that even though people would love a 3 series, they can only afford a Tazz. No go sit down you fraud.

agaugust: other countries in africa have guns that shoot up to 60km.

you south africans have never seen real army battles, you keep making noise about G6 artillery extra 10km or so range, who told you that [b]in real battle the enemy army will be sitting down 70km away from you to be shelling them like a F00L ?

[/b]armies move with speed and close up any gaps so as to win territory, what was the distance between aouth african army and seleka rebels in combat ? 70km ? seleka was close enough to uproot south african army with 1980's old AK-47 rifles.

What is your point you frauster? Having a gun that can shoot the furthest is always an advantage. If the enemy comes closer, we just adjust the range of fire. In a real battle will Nigeria's enemies be sitting down at 40/50 km waiting for you to shell them like a fool? No they will also move. So this post of yours makes no sense whatsoever. It is just a desperate attempt to make a useless point, fraudster. Now go and read my reply to your useless Naval Blockade simulation, and learn from your mistakes.

agaugust: Gripen jet is actually 1890 era, the aircraft was built in 1987 and could not enter service because it failed to fly well, and now that south africa has it, you cannot maintain the problematic Gripen jet, and you put hals of your air force in a cold freezer long term storage.

Gripen jet is an over-rated 1987 product....

quote from source from the first page on top just beneath the Gripen photo on that weblink page.

Swedish Air Force JAS 39 Gripen
Role Multirole fighter
Manufacturer Saab AB/Saab Group
First flight 9 December 1988
Introduction 1 November 1997
Status In service
Primary users Swedish Air Force
South African Air Force
Czech Air Force
Hungarian Air Force
Produced 1987–present
Number built 235[1]
Unit cost US$ 40–60 million[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

This is the last bit of evidence I need to confirm that you are the biggest fraudster on this site. You claim to know about the military, but If one reads closely your knowledge is lacking. Do you think the prototype Gripen which flew in the 1980's is the same Gripen (with the same systems) that you see flying today? Do you think the prototype Eurofighter Typhoon which flew in the 1980's is the same Eurofighter flying today? Do you think the prototype F22 Raptor which first flew in the 1997 is the same (same systems and electronics) that you see flying today? What a sham you have proven yourself to be.

By the way, I countered your simulation of a South African Naval blockade on page 308. I hadn't seen it till now. Your so called simulation was embarrassing to say the least. You simulate your artillery firing on us, but you don't simulate our guns firing on you? Then you have the guts to say Agaugust has sank the SA Navy?. Again, what a sham and failure you have turned out to be.

agaugust: .


[size=13pt]south african navy vs nigerian army[/size]....[size=13pt]naval blockade battle[/size]

assumptions :

south africa will use all is 4 valour stealth frigate warships for maximum sea blockade effect

nigeria will not use the potential anti-submarine capability of its two ATR-42 maritme patrol aircraft, within the first 2 months of the naval blockade by acquiring the anti-submarine warfare hardware on the ATR-72 as both aircraft are modular built with totally the same technical configuration


simulation :

south african navy sails 4 valour stealth frigates into nigerian 22km territorial waters for naval blockade of oil export

nigerian builds a shield of empty old fishing trawlers, barges, and ships to block all navy bases and harbours from south african navy exocet anti-ship missiles and as decoy to confuse type 209 submarines torpedoes

nigerian airforce jet fighters do not fly while the south african ships are around, all stay at the airport on ground, but alert.

nigerian air force flies ATR-42 surveyors at over 30km away from south african ships anti-aircraft umkhonto missiles. the two planes regularly do sorties and relay exact position and photos of the enemy ships to nigerian army

nigerian satellites in space constantly monitors 24hrs, relaying photos and GPS co-ordinates of exact positions of all south African warships to nigerian army for artillery bombardment.

nigeria army at night moves 675 towed artillery guns D-30, OTO Melara Mod 56, and Yugoslav M-56-2 to target each south african warships ratio 170:1, that is 170 artillery guns firepower against 1 warship

nigerian army at night moves 100 heavy mobile artillery archer, palmaria, and bofors to target each south african warship ratio 25:1

nigerian army at night uses 675 towed artillery guns to fire shells within range 5k to 22km showering 4,000 shells in one minute on the 4 south african warships in ratio 1,000:1 as 1,000 artillery shells against 1 warship


this is how nigerian army will defeat south african navy.


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I'm only seeing this now.

Ok let me make my own assumptions.....

"nigerian builds a shield of empty old fishing trawlers, barges, and ships to block all navy bases and harbours from south african navy exocet anti-ship missiles and as decoy to confuse type 209 submarines torpedoes"....

You have created a bottleneck. Why would you do something so stupid? If your navy ships need to leave their base in a hurry, they will now probably have to leave in single file. Making them nice targets for Exocet. Taking them out one by one. In an emergency you won't have time to completely removed this blockade you set up.


"nigeria army at night moves 675 towed artillery guns D-30, OTO Melara Mod 56, and Yugoslav M-56-2 to target each south african warships ratio 170:1, that is 170 artillery guns firepower against 1 warship"

The South African Navy will not be within 11km of your coast. Hence rendering your OTO Melara Mod 56 guns useless. 675 - 200 = 475 guns left. The South African Navy will not be within 16km of the Nigerian coast, making your D-30 guns useless. 475 - 200 = 275 guns left. Sitting at 19km away from the Nigerian coast, the shells falling from your M56 guns will cause a friendly splash of water, cooling the faces of the hard working South African sailors. The 675 D-30, Melara and M56 are completely useless with SA Frigates at 19km from your coast. So 675 = 0.


"nigerian army at night moves 100 heavy mobile artillery archer, palmaria, and bofors to target each south african warship ratio 25:1"


Now that your cheaper artillery is out of range. We take to the air. Each Valour class frigate can carry one Rooivalk helicopter, with a one or two naval modifications. But we only use 3 Rooivalk and one Super Lynx 300.

https://www.saairforce.co.za/seed/public/files/weapon_images/53/46a5c115cd9c4_large.jpg

Carrying a maximum load of 16 Mokopa missiles (8 under each wing), our pilots go on the hunt for your artillery at night. To get the maximum range from your artillery, you place them near your coast and not far inland. At 6 km from your coast, we can pick your artillery off one by one. One sortie of 3 Rooivalk will destroy half of your arsenal. At 6km from your coast we are also far enough from any Roland surface to air missiles you might have near by, and also close enough to our frigates in order for them to provide point defence with Umkhonto SAM. Your artillery will be nothing but sitting ducks. Each frigate would carry enough Mokopa missiles to destroy your artillery.

All this time our frigates are not sitting still. They are employing defensive maneuvers to make it difficult for you. The information the ATR-42 maritme patrol aircraft provides your artillery units may be correct when it is received. But your gunners will be firing almost all their shells into the water, because of our evasive maneuvers.

https://www.navy.mil.za/equipment/vessels/0_4_VALOUR_CLASS-MEKO-A200-SAN-FSG.jpg


All this time our Super Lynx 300 is passing information about your stationary artillery guns to our Frigates. At a rate of 80 rounds a minute we bombard your position from 20km away. 4 Frigates demolish your positions. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Nansen-oto75mm-2006-07-03.jpg/800px-Nansen-oto75mm-2006-07-03.jpg


So all in all, no you would not sink the SA Navy like you did in your dream fantasy. Perhaps two would be untouched. One would have minor damage, and one would be badly damaged but still able to sail.

South African G6 self-propelled gun achieves range record

4/21/2006

The Denel G6-52L 155 mm self-propelled gun (SPG) has set a new range record for artillery systems, firing V-LAP (Velocity - enhanced Long range Artillery Projectile) projectiles to a range of 75 km with a probable error of 0.38 per cent in range, 0.58 mil in azimuth at a muzzle velocity of 1,030 m/s. The G6-52L is the latest development of the G5 towed and G6 self-propelled guns, but with a 52 calibre-length barrel. The same ordnance is mounted in an autonomous turret for tank-based SPGs and is used as the basis for an air-transportable truck-mounted system.

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/4-2097.aspx#startofcomments

Henry120: You do know, not only SA operates UAV's. We still operate surveillance UAV's both foreign and indigenous with better capabilities than that of SA.

So the simulation can go both ways.

That has nothing to do with me answering Augustine's question. He asked how we would take out Roland SAM positions, and I answered. If Nigerian UAV's would be able to track Gripen and Hawk jets and also shoot them down, then this post is irrelevant. And out of interest, please show us which UAV's Nigeria uses.

agaugust: .
i am also waiting for all south africans on this forum to join all y_our t_iny b_rains together with y_our military generals, admirals, and air marshals to use 3 Gripen jet aircraft to d_estroy 3 nigerian Roland SAM air defense in real battle field simulation of a real war/combat, you a_ttack, i d_efend.

if y_ou p_eople dont answer this challenge, then all south africans are forever S_laves of Seleka Rebels in CAR [/size]

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https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/AIR/Air_new/gripen_16_reccepod_USEME.JPG

https://www.ate-southafrica.com/medias/products-pictures/vulture.jpg


1 Gripen can use its recon pod to asses your Roland positions and get general or specif GPS co-ords. Even if you know the Gripen is there, it's fine as long as we fly out of range or your missiles. Using that info, two Hawks launch 500kg Umbani bombs with numerous war heads onto your target. Vulture UAV's can also recon your position, to provide co-ordinates to fire on the Roland battery.

I'm sorry but GINGERBEER kinda irritates me.

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Hanko - Hamina class missile-boat has fired Umkhonto-IR SAM. Finnish Navy.

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Umkhonto surface-to-air fired off SAS Amatola

agaugust: you still have mouth to talk ? i have not even come to you yet, i am still on @andrewza. you did not go to school and learn how to read ? see my quote below...i said south africa has no long range stand-off air to surface missile NOT bomb, you d_umb g_oat, you dont even know the difference between a bomb and a missile, and you want to be challenging me here ?

the missile is very very expensive so much that america has only a few, and south africa cannot afford the price so you have none. the bomb is far cheaper and far less effective and far too slow .

do i still need to post the reply i promised ? you are already losing

go back to your soweto village and challenge your illiterate farmers there.

What a sad attempt at escaping. I'm sure your fellow Nigerians feel sorry for you right now. You said we CANNOT hit the Roland without coming close to it and expose itself to deadly Roland fire-power.. Did you not say that? Now you want to get technical weather it is a bomb or a missile.

Mr Augustine....in very plain English. YES or NO.....can a 500kg Mk83 Umbani bomb kit hit and destroy your Roland system from 100km away? YES or NO....can we hit your Roland system from outside the operational range of Roland? Yes or No?

agaugust: my small boy soldier, lets take it one by one, when i finish teaching you south africans about the failure of all your nice looking photograph paveway and umbani guided bombs in real battle field combat , then i will address the many above false claims you make in this post i quoted above.

Just as I suspected. You asked for proof that South Africa has long range stand-off weapons. You were given proof, now can't be a man and say you were wrong or made a mistake. How sad.

We can hit your SAM systems from 100km away. That is a fact, just accept it.

agaugust: south african air force does NOT have the capability to do high altitude air to ground attacks on nigerian army air defences, only the great powers of the world have that long range high altitude stand off weapons capability like america, russia, china, india, britain, france, germany and a few other european/asian powers. no country in africa from cape town to cairo has that special capability, you will all have to fly jets at low altitude to attack nigerian army effectively or else you waste your bombs by dropping them on a cassava farm !

the A-Darter missile you mentioned is not in service as at today in south africa, it is still in developmental stage, i just posted the weblink source on page 299, or are you in a beer party intoxicated ?


show us web link source proof of south africa's long range stand off surface to air missile that can be launched by Grippen jet against nigerian Roland SAM. south africa does NOT have any such missile as at today so it CANNOT hit the Roland without coming close to it and expose itself to d.eadly Roland fire-power. you failed again sir

“The Umbani is a lower-cost weapon, with a launch altitude of up to 11 000 m above sea level and an operational range of up to 100 km,” says Loock. “GPS is the heart of the guidance system, but you can also have INS, or INS and a laser seeker, or INS and TV/IIR, or INS and a proximity fuse. You can even add a booster rocket module at the rear of the weapon.”

The Umbani, the development of which was funded by the DoD, has been integrated on to the SAAF’s Hawks (which have an operational as well as a training role) and the PGM has won a major export contract. “We have a project to extend the range to 200 km,” he reveals. “We have a client who wants to put in a datalink to update target information. We can also add a wing kit to extend the range.”

Find that half way down the page at this link http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/south-african-missile-company-provides-sandf-and-friendly-countries-with-force-multipliers-2011-08-26


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Now are you done embarrasing yourself? Our Hawk jets can fly comfortably out of range of your Roland system, and hit them at 100km away. And before you say you will "shoot down" our bombs.....every country in the world has thousands of MK bombs. You will run out of Roland missiles long long long before we run out of bombs, and that is a fact. Do you have a reply to this post or are you going to ignore it like you always do when someone proves you wrong?

agaugust: use your b.rain if you have one. 200,000 nigerian soldiers on home soil, about 1,000 tanks/APC/IFV, about 1,000 artillery, about 60 jet fighters aircrafts, about 20 helicopter gunships, versus about 2,000 b.oko h.aram with rifles and RPG and ill-trained men out-numbered in ratio 1:100, use your b.rain to calculate who will run away and drop his weapons....if you dont have a medula oblongata, as your son

How long has all that amazing equipment been in Nigeria? If Boko Haram was scared of all that nice equipment, they wouldn't have launched their attacks in the first place. So if you think South African soldiers can be bribed, your Nigerian soldiers can be bribed too. Simple as that

agaugust: .

bribe can be paid to families of dead south african soldiers k.illed by seleka, to make the families shut up. south africa is a corrupt country taking bribes from sweden too

weblink source : http://www.defensenews.com/article/20110731/DEFSECT01/107310301/S-Africa-Reopens-Probe-Into-Gripen-Bribes-Report

So bribes can also be paid to Nigerian soldiers and their families to keep quiet about how Boko Haram is killing Nigerian troops, making Nigerian soldiers drop their weapons and run away? Boko Haram said your military offensive is failing. Who must we believe? Boko Haram or your bribed soldiers and their families? Please don't talk about corruption, Nigeria will always lose in that department. The whole world knows that.

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South African electronic warfare technology excelling on global stage

South African electronic warfare technology has, and continues to make its mark in the international military arena, with home-grown self-protection systems being used by numerous defence forces around the world.

A wide range of defence forces – including India, Malaysia, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Oman, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, South Korea, the Netherlands, Brazil, Canada, Egypt, Germany, Peru, and Greece - are using indigenous South African electronic warfare technology. Approximately 95% of the systems manufactured in South Africa are sold to export markets, making it a valuable source of revenue for South Africa. Job creation in engineering and production are additional advantages, according to Saab Grintek Defence.

90% of these systems are designed and produced at Saab Grintek Defence’s facilities in South Africa, the company said. As a result, the company was recently awarded the Best Export Company in South Africa title by the Department of Trade and Industry.

More at http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30704:south-african-electronic-warfare-technology-excelling-on-global-stage-saab&catid=48:defence-technology&Itemid=109

agaugust: no need to even spy your country, all south african weapons imported from overseas are detailed for public information in wikipedia, general military internet websites like armyrecognition.com, international public arms/weapons transfer logs/registers like SIPRI of sweden, UN REGISTER, IISS military balance, JANES Defense, etc.

also the domestically manufactured weapons made in south africa are also all fully detailed with all technical specifications on free internet in the effort to find export buyers in the international market.

just google it and you get it. so where is the secret ? or you have nuclear weapon in your own b.edroom ?



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Ok clever one. Tell us how A Darter works. Show us the programming codes Denel used to make it do what it does. Show us the engineering drawings. Show us the stress calculations. Show us the materials used. What a systems does (non classified information) and HOW it does those things (classified information) are two different things you dumbo.

A Darter

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agaugust: many sources quote 6, now you quote 8 Grippen pilots. lets just assume you are correct, what is the big difference between 6 and 8 ? i just decide not to remind you that nobody has ever seen more than 6 south african grippen jets fly together at one time. also dont confuse pilots trained to fly Grippen into the air and land it in peace, and pilots qualified to fly Grippen jets into air for combat missions and land it in war, by Grippen manufacturers specified standards.

your hawk jets too you have only 13 pilots. south african air force has bad shortage of combat pilots.

did you go to school ? if you score 8 out of 26 in an exam did you pass or fail ? if south african air force has 26 Grippen jets and only 8 pilots to fly them, did your country pass or fail ?

south african military is a bulldog with all its teeth fallen out except only 8 teeth remaining to try and bite.

6 Grippen jets again, maximum number flying is always 6.
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Did you see the date of that parliamentary reply? The date was 2010. How many Gripens were in South Africa in 2010? How many Gripen pilots does South Africa train each year?