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all4naija: So that you can have a detailed overview of the Nigerian FT-7 NI fighter jet in relation to your Gripen. Another image below.

There is nothing to overview. The two aircraft are not in the same league, not even close. My previous post
where I put up their pics was sarcasm. Our "1997" produced jets are light years ahead of your "2008" produced jets, according you your fellow countryman.

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all4naija: More image for you below. I hope it will explain better to you, as a picture is worth more that a thousand words

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Must I clap for you because the jet is in the air?
That's the point, for it to fly.

all4naija: This is image of Nigerian F-7 from another angle.

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2011/09/naf-f7-ni-airguard.jpg[/img]

And the 2nd angle changes what exactly?

agaugust: [size=16pt]this is NOT a south african created weapon/vehicle it is made by Finland, giving south africa licence to copy and build it by changing its name from Patria to Badger.

try give honour to whom honour is due and dont take other countries glory for south africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_AMV

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The chassis is from Finland. Produced under licence in South Africa. Now tell me clever one, how does this thing defeat a target? By ramming the chassis into it? By driving soldiers over? Or by using it's weapons and electronics which are all South African? Tell us how?

agaugust: you mean the chinese transfered their own F-7 jets to nigeria ? Gripen is a 1997 jet so south african 2008 delivery Gripen jets were not produced around 2008 too ? sweden sold to you from thier old stock ?

when you lose battle, run away like your army in CAR, dont hang around to be totally deleted

According to AGAUGUST

Produced in 2008

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/05/ft-7ni-airguard.jpg[/img]


Produced in 1997
[img]http://blogg.forsvarsmakten.se/flygvapenbloggen/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2012/04/ZA-03linje.jpg[/img]


That's exactly what happened. You requested to purchase F-7 jets, the Chinese made upgrades on airframes already in existence and sold them to you.

Full scale production to start this year. Production contract with Denel Land Systems has been signed. Up to 100 companies will be involved in this project, creating 2000 jobs. Using a modular combat turret there will be a number of variants.

- Denel GI-30 mm CamGun (picture)
- 60mm long range motar
- Anti-Tank variant
- Command Variant
- Medical

https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8484/hoefyster01.jpg

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31021:hoefyster-production-contract-on-the-way&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

agaugust: i defeated your argument so swallow the bitter pill first....i am your seleka today

Saab Gripen jet is development of Saab Viggen jet of 1971, and they are not the same capability.

educate your self http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen

F-7NI jet of nigeria is all we need to rule west african sub region and shoot down the whole air forces of 40 out of 48 african countries. all the 8 african african air forces with better jets are far away outside nigerian region and have no range to arm their jets and still fly to threaten nigeria.

nigeria does not depend on jet aircraft for now, we depend on the most powerful air defence in the whole of africa that will shoot down the whole south african air force in 5 minutes.

nigerian defence plan is enough to protect nigeria, we are not at war with Russia or America !

go back to older pages of this thread and dont waste our time, we discussed this in detail months ago. swallow the pain of the fact that south african Gripen jets are zero threat to nigeria.

Nigerian F-7's were not produced in 2008. Simple as that. Lie to yourself all you want.

agaugust: simple internet information settles the matter, Mig-21 is an 2nd generation russian jet, F-7 NI is a 3rd generation chinese jet. i dont care what you believe, thats your personal problem. F-7NI jets will shoot down all south african Rooivalk helicopters easily. show me a war in this world where helicopters shot down jets. go sit down and tell fairy tales to your son in elementary school.

nigerian air force has datalink, if you cannot read thougr it thenj s.hut up you l.azy man.

south african i.diot l.iar, go page 17 of http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/2013%20appropriation/11.%20Summary_Defence.pdf

and there are lots more new high technological command and control equipment scattered all over on that list from page 1 to page 42.

your white-men in south africa deceive your nation that only south africa buys modern equipment in africa, same way they deceived you that Seleka rebels are F00LS south african paratroopers can defeat

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Data-Link is not there. Fraud. If there mention "PURCHASE OF SATCOM DOWN LINK FOR ATR-42 MARITIME PATROL AIRCRAFT", then they would also mention data-link for F-7 jets. They didnt mention it, because your F-7 jets dont have it. Simple. Again you have lied on this forum.

all4naija: We are not boasting outside of our capacity. There are evidences our military will usurp SA power in a full-fledged war in few months without the assistance of neighboring countries as guerilla fighters.

15 km from the coast of Cape Town, with our newly purchased frigates, will put the whole city under the radar for attack. We can easily take out your air defence with the F-7 against the grippen that is very cumbersome and can barely manoeuvre in a small combat area.

Cool Story Bro *thumbs up*
F-7 vs Gripen. Um...ok then

all4naija: Whatever that maybe it is like a mine detector and can not be classified as something that would be a guarantee in a full-fledged war. So it's used for clearing primitive improvise explosives developed by insurgent.

The award is just a mere encouragement for African military equipment development. We know it comes at a time when Africa is looking for recognition. Bwahaha...

A sixth-grader can do better with an aesthetic design.

Don't think Nigerian government will be purchasing that for Boko Haram insurgency. They don't use imrpovise explosives in Nigeria.

Where is Dicon's award then?

1. Don't post pics of an F-7MG that has nothing at all to do with the Nigerian Air Force.
2. Even if your F-7 is 50% better than the Migs of 1970's, it's still a piece of crap by today's standards (read the comments on that blog. Other Nigerians are not ashamed to admit that it's a piece of junk)
3. This is what you are doing....you're going to a car dealer in 2013, buying a 2nd hand car built in 1995, then telling your friend's you drive a 2013 model car based on the year you bought it. You can lie to your friends (fellow Nigerians) but the rest of us don't believe you.
4. I have searched that document of yours. Nowhere does it say datalink. Since you claim to have read it on there, please just copy paste the sentence you found it on.
5.It's sad that you can only simulate the F-7 against a Rooivalk . With a radar range of 15km, your missiles are completely blind after 15km. What guidance are they using for the other 7km? Prayer? Like most air-air missiles IR guidance is used for the last few kilometers, with radar guiding the missile near the target.
6. Refer back to point 4. Please post proof of any data-link with regards to Nigerian F-7s

all4naija: Huh! They must have taken their design from this Payload caterpillar. Image below.

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2SYRyDWcANor2BxXHi44t2CJFxqggG1Kink0yWV-vYfq5wmI9[/img]

And the U.S Army Honoured our "Catepiller" with an award

http://www.army.mil/article/67077/

"Husky Mark III, 2G 2-Seat Prototype: This landmine detection vehicle is blast survivable, overpass capable and field reparable. Officials said the second generation 2-seat prototype is a natural evolution of the larger MK III Husky. The Husky Mark III/2G 2-Seat Prototype responds to the immediate warfighter need to mitigate the risks of task overload on the Husky operator, increases the Route Clearance Package's ability to find and neutralize improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, and provides direct fire capability for the lead vehicle of the RCP"

[img]http://3.bp..com/-Mc1Vbaghowc/T8Oqbf9SP3I/AAAAAAAALAI/fcGSWCl9wEM/s1600/NIGERIA+KADUNA+AB+CHENGDU+FT-7N++NAF812+AIR+EXPO+15-05-2012.jpg[/img]

Oh yes, I forgot that I was meant to answer an F-7 question posed by agaugust. Your famous Nigerian beegeagle listed what the F-7 has quite nicely. I was interested in this part.

British Type 226 Skyranger radar: Ranging radar that weigh 41 kg with a range of 15 km.

And then you say Nigeria purchased PL9 missiles with a range of 22km. If this is true (and I'm starting to doubt that this is true), then your Generals deserve to be laughed at. Not only will F-7 jets probably get shot out of the sky before they pick up any enemy aircraft, they can only fire their missiles at almost half their maximum range.....which was my original point. P.S no other sources except the Nigerians on this blog claim that your F-7's can fire PL9 missiles.

http://beegeagle./2010/07/26/nigerian-air-force-receive-last-batch-of-chinese-f7-ni-jets/

And no the F-7's were not produced in 2008 like you claim. There is a difference between produce and procured. The Nigerian F-7's are slightly modified versions of the F-7M Airguard, a 1980's era aircraft. Which aircraft produced in 2008 still uses "rolls of film" and has a 15km radar range? Stop lying to yourself.

7000 hits from landmines and IED's, with no recorded fatalities. High quality South African Engineering

[img]http://www.defensa.gob.es/Galerias/gabinete/multimedia/fototeca/imagen/2013/02/DGC-130226-husky-qala-i-naw-01.jpg[/img]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31002:turkey-orders-husky-mine-detection-vehicles&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

I dare any poster to show us proof of South African pilots training in Ethiopia. You wont be able to because it never happened. The only person who claims such is the author of that useless blog. Even the comments tell him thats he's talking rubbish.

Side note...kwame tut is back. This thread just died again.

patriot4: It is funny how you respond him without a weblink wheras he used a weblink to justify his claims.

You want us to post an article saying Ethiopia is NOT training South Africans? Are you drunk? Why do Nigerians think that for every article there is a counter-article somewhere on the internet? Whoever wrote that article didn't know what they were talking about or just made it up. Which explains why his blog is the only one with that story. This is a big news story and sites like defenceweb.co.za would have run this story if it was true.

agaugust: .
ethiopian female air force jet fighter pilot....south africa's new teacher

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kw8l8nzJqx1qza7mbo1_400.png

[size=16pt]Ethiopian air force agrees to train South African air force [/size]

South African Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Lindiwe Sisulu, told reporters that Ethiopia and South Africa would sign a Memorandum of Understanding to enable Ethiopia to provide air force training for South Africa.
The South African Minister made the remark after she met Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi in Addis Ababa.

weblink source : http://danielberhane.com/2011/12/23/ethiopian-air-force-to-train-south-africans/

so who has the strongest military in africa ?

Biggest bullsh*t ever. Such a massive announcenent and only 1 useless blog has that story, no one else. SA signed an agreement with Russia recently when it comes to external pilot training.

Besides the occasional military exercise, South Africa and the U.S have poor military ties. We virtually don't buy any equipment from them at all, after they screwed us over with the Rooivalk (prevented us from selling it in Europe and Australia). The military aid we get from them is in the form of a few millions dollars to support our C130 cargo planes. The only reason they do that is basically trying to persuade us to choose them for our future airlift upgrades, instead of choosing a European product such as the A400M.

all4naija: I doubt that photo is coming from SA. The background and trees don't look like SA's to me.

I am being sarcastic, my goodness.

Simple point, and my last point on CAR.

Either this photo was taken in CAR (which it was) - Then the article which names Seleka commanders stating we killed hundreds of them is true.

Or either this pic is fake, meaning the article is fake. Meaning there is no proof to suggest any South African equipment was ever capture in CAR. Since the BBC or CNN don't have pictures of such. You guys love asking us for non south african links to prove stories, so its time we also ask you for non south african pics.

Understand? Good.

patriot4: your ennemies never said that, and if you want to refute me then use a non sa news agency.

Then the journalist made those names in the article up OR you don't know how to read.
The journalist then also found a dark South African to sit on this Gecko vehicle, since
this picture below is from the same article. This picture was actually taken in Johannesburg, not CAR.
No South African equipment was captured since the BBC or CNN don't have photos of such = Nigerian logic.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/2013/04/02/1012347_835617.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/1012347_835617.jpg

patriot4: Look, you are the one who said something as silly as: SANDF killed 800 seleka members.
While 20 is most likely.

Even when our enemies (names and rank given) say we killed over 250 in one unit.
Some people are beyond help, shame.

patriot4: Iam nt having this debate again, I allready gave in more than one occasion a bunch of proof your soldiers didn't perform well.

Then if you say something st*pid like we only killed 20 of them, you're opening the debate up again.
You are, not me

I'll reply to the F-7 issue later

patriot4: And then you woke up to the reality that that never happened.
If you killed that much of them then there is no way they would have entered the capital.
I don't think you killed more than 20 of them.

Thats not what Seleka say . 10th time I'm posting this link


SA soldiers carved us up, say rebels

“We fought very hard for one and a half days. They had very good weapons and very good fighters,” said corporal Mohamed Tahir of a battle in the capital Bangui that he took part in, which left 13 South African soldiers and apparently hundreds of rebels dead or wounded.

Several of those interviewed bore battle scars, including bandaged heads, feet and limbs. The rebels said the SA troops made it “very, very difficult” for them to take the town and sweep president Francoir Bozize from power. The fight put up by the SA troops was so ferocious he believed they were facing over 400 men – almost double the actual number.

“They had every kind of weapon that they were fighting against us with – heavy weapons,” said Tahir. “It was a very difficult battle. We lost more than half of the the men only in my unit of 500 men.”

Captain Amin Nodjokama described it as “big, big battle – it was very hot! It took a long time and the fighting was very heavy with a lot of dead and wounded on both sides”.

Taken from http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

agaugust: no, i have sharper eyes than you, i pulled that 4 straight out of very reliable internet sources, i read it over and over again so many times because i was shocked by it.

you dont know what i have seen and i am not in a hurry as usual to say it. Type 056 is a modular warship 4 times more d.angerous than a valour frigate, i have my reason with 'a thousand' weblink sources to prove. i am just not in a hurry, and i dont get ordered around by you. i do things at my own time. very simple.

A man who has been caught red handed. Hahahah

agaugust: sorry you misfired again, nigerian F-7 jets version is F-7NI version custom built year 2008 version and no other country in the world flies that version. post us F-7NI technical details with source to show it is inferior to china's year 2002 J-7G version, i am waiting for you to misfire again as usual.

NI - Nigeria. Its just an abbreviation, its not a specific type. I dare you to Google F-7NI. If it was built in 2008, it's technical details should be all over the net.

OneQuestion: I don't see why it is relevant where I am from. No point attacking me.

The questions are valid and they have not been answered to a large extent.

You have said nothing about prosecution. For example, Nigeria has been accused of indiscriminate killings inside Nigeria. Can we please have examples of consequence management.

South Africa in the DRC has been accused of sexual misconduct. Can we please have examples of consequence management.

Health - where has the capability been demonstrated? What have you shown? You spoke about home based hospitals. That's only one aspect of it. Where are the vehicles? Medics training? Examples, please.

Pictures?

Valid questions, I believe.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30822:sandf-misconduct-intolerable-mapisa-nqakula&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108

Total of 93 cases. From 2003 to 2011 in the DRC.

Donian007: So My Motherland Nigeria is now a potential threat to SouthAfrica that you assume if SA get a nuclear weapon then its to harass Nigeria? BWAHAHAHAHAHA. CHOOII! So una gree say we too our own no good? So una nid more weapons bcux we match una? LMAO!

Go back to school or your nearest library and look up the definition of sarcasm.

agaugust: ..


no i wont stop, i have my reasons. you dont have to agree with me because we use our brains differently. i am @Agugust and you are @Saengine, i cannot change to become you and think like you.

a modular weapon built by a country is a platform that is built to change role and combat ability in one day, you attack that country hoping to meet an easy weapon, then the defending country re-modularizes and you face a 4 times more d.eadly weapon, and you wish you never challenged them.

only F00LS go to war against modular weapons without calculating the d.eadly effect of re-modularization by the enemy.

thats how army generals think, they dont think like south africans who dont know what a modular weapon is, and in theie own backward thinking it does not pose any new threat....and that is what they are built to do...pose a sudden new threat.

buy/build a modular Type 056 warship with no missile yesterday. face war threat today. re-modularize it tommorow with YJ-83 missiles 4 times more d.angerous than valour class frigate Exocet missiles. win a war the enemy expected you to lose.

i dont have to post comment to satisfy any south african including you. nairaland is a free forum, i post for anybody who wants to add to his private knwoledge. period

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Then it means you pulled the number 4 straight out of your backside. I was man enough to say I made a mistake yesterday with the picture of the Nigerian helicopter coming out of the Antonov, but you aren't man enough to say you have absolutely no clue how strong your OPV's will be. You have no clue which weapons the Nigerian Navy will choose to buy, and from whom. And you have no idea how many of those weapons they can afford.

Again you have been exposed as a fraud. Claiming your OPV's will be the strongest force on the continent without a shred of proof.

agaugust: you say china's $5 million year 1990 versions are more capable than nigeria $15 million year 2008 versions, because in your own brain technology does not advance forward, it always reverses backward. right ?


show us clear source that states the technical details of china's F-7 jets and that of nigeria so that we can compare both and prove how 'truthful' you are that china's own is more advanced

....we are waiting for your post, do it if you have the courage of a man, source...technical details proof...post it.

Chinese Variants of J-7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7#Chinese_variants

Example of a Chinese Variant:

J-7G
an improved variant of the J-7E by CAC, first flew in 2002. Equipped with a new KLJ-6E PD radar, which is reported to be SY-80 radar with SY is short for Shen Ying, meaning Celestial Eagle in Chinese. This radar a Chinese development of the Italian Pointer-2500 ranging radar used for the Q-5M, and the Italian radar itself was a development of Pointer radar, the Italian copy of Israeli Elta EL/M-2001. In comparison to the Italian Grifo series radar on Pakistani F-7s, the SY-80 weighs more at 60 kg, and the range is also shorter, at 30 km. However, the radar does have a feat that the Italian radars do not have: it is fully compatible with helmet-mounted sights (HMS) so that both the radar and HMS can be worked together to control PL-8/9 air-to-air missiles. One 30 mm gun was removed, and a more powerful engine installed

Export Variant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7#Export_variants

FT-7 Export version of the JJ-7. It used the domestic Chinese Type-II ejection seat, replacing the Chinese copy of the original Soviet design, because the Soviet design was less reliable. (Nigeria bought 3 I think)

JJ-7 - Dual-seat J-7 trainer and Chinese equivalent of the MiG-21U Mongol-A design. Originally built by Guizhou Aircraft Design Institute and Guizhou Aircraft Company (now Guizhou Aviation Industry Group/GAIC) in 1981. (you are training your pilots in 30 year old aircraft)

The F-7 Nigeria uses are the export versions of the Chinese J-7I/II/IIA/IIM series of jets. 30 year old aircraft.

Hence I say the Chinese only sold you those missiles because Nigerian generals were dumb enough to buy them.

agaugust:
too early to speak about a ship that is still under costruction far one year away from delivery, or you have full details of the nigerian version with a source to prove it ? it is bigger, heavier, and longer travel range than the smaller china's version.

you have all technical details ? or the navy told you on that website that the list is all they will arm the ships with ? those are basic armaments of Type 056 that cannot be absent or else it will become a civilian ship, 76mm gun, 30mm gun, basic and least armament.

final decision on missile types may not have been made as at now and so it cannot be mentioned. nigerian NNS ARADU is a German built warship armed with Italian missiles. also the chinese YJ sieries of missiles have more than 10 very different versions available and its may not be decided yet which of the chinese missiles will be loaded

if you have proof of all that is on board warships that are under construction, then post the source so that i can see how you know an unborn baby in the womb does not resemble his father by face. you have oracle powers to predict tomorrow you cannot see today ?

the modern trend in advanced countries now is to build small warships that are modular, meaning they can perform multi-role operations for both peace time and war time.

south african navy has no modular warship and i guess that is why you dont ever understand what a modular multi-role warship is. they are meant to be quickly re-armed in one day if a new threat emerges.

valour frigate is not suitable for round the clock patrol because of the cost and that is why south africa has already had to replace one ship's engines in a few years. OPV has capacity to work hard regularly in peace time patrol, and if it is modular multi-role ship like type 056, then its role changes to full combat in war time. i see more wisdom in that than to buy big ships that have only war duty and drain heavy resources in peace time.

south africa is feeling the heavy financial burden of its european weapons fron Gripen jet to Valour frigate. every country has its own type of defence/weapons policy. its a matter of choice.

wait for nigerian stealth warships to arrive if you want 100% proof of their missiles, anything you say now will be mere speculation or your private belief only.

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My point exactly!! Stop going around telling the world that Nigerian OPV's will be 4 times more deadly than Frigates when you yourself also don't have any technical details regarding what weapons they will carry, since as you say the ships are under construction.