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This is an old article, but anyways

Radar technology touted as best world-wide

https://www.csir.co.za/enews/2010_aug/images/05.jpg

Currently, the largest defence acquisition programme for the South African National Defence Force is the Ground Based Air Defence System. A key element of this system is its radar. Armscor has the option to import this radar or to use a radar developed and manufactured in South Africa. It was decided that a local radar will only be considered if it is internationally competitive on both price and performance.

In response to this, the second phase of what was probably the largest collaborative radar technology development project ever undertaken in South Africa, the DBR-XL Radar Technology Development Programme, has been successfully concluded. It has been described by defence stakeholders as superior to all international offerings and suitable as a missile fire control radar for the current, and future, model of the Umkhonto missile.

The CSIR provided independent evaluation of the technical concepts based on previous radar experience and detailed radar and algorithm level modelling and simulation; developing optimised signal processing algorithms; participating in missile fire control system level performance analysis workshops and providing specialist input based on its advanced radar signal processor design and development experience.

Collaborators included the CSIR, Armscor, the universities of Cape Town and Stellenbosch, industry stakeholders such as Reutech Radar Systems, Denel Dynamics and Denel Integrated Systems Solutions, and the Ground Based Air Defence System Programme Office.

This development is expected to lead to further development of the local radar industry as well as export opportunities.
http://www.csir.co.za/enews/2010_aug/05.html

agaugust: No, its you that will keep your mouth padlocked. The video and photos did not say the Americans are learning war from you. S.tupid imagination, America has 1,000 times more real war experience than south africa, so they don't need you, rather hou need them to help you. Can south African army fight Iraq when Saddam was in full power ?


You can teach war to Lesotho and Swaziland, teach them how to run away from rebels like Seleka farmers gunmen, teach them the art of fast retreat, teach them the way of war lies and propaganda, teach them how to manipulate casualty figures, teach them to pull out of countries like CAR when the battle gets bloody, teach them that cowards live longer than heroes...teach them well.


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I don't think you even know what you just commented on. I don't think you know what video I'm even talking about. What photos are you talking about? I was replying to a poster who asked for proof that South Africa trains NATO troops from time to time, and I showed him the video of troops from Netherlands getting survival training in South Africa. There were no Americans in that video. So you are saying that youtube video is fake? What kind of a st*pid person are you?

scipher: I did't dispute the fact that nato countries train you guys... My point is you're not professional enough to train them like ur compatriot claimed..

No you dont have a point keep quiet please.


Video is of SA troops training Netherlands troops in survival and escape and evasion
Link he posted was of SA Special Forces training American, French and Swedish troops in survival skills.

Why ask for links and proof if you don't want to believe them anyways?

Hence I say you dont have a point, so rather just keep quiet.

agaugust: So what are you south Africans boasting about ? Nothing, just ranting as usual.

Ok I didn't even read whatever you wrote. But to answer your question. No one is ranting about anything.
Scipher asked for proof, he was given proof, now he's sulking.

scipher: you can't train a us marine.. Shut up! ... You were unprofessional with CAR

Hahahahaha. The man asks for links. He gets links. Now he's not happy, so he brings up CAR. How embarrasing .

scipher: you were being trained not the other way round

You clearly didnt read that link at all. How pathetic.

scipher: I just checked Netherlands in the global firepower ratings , not even on the list but hey, I thought we we're talking about NATO countries?

Netherlands is a NATO country. So no more asking for sources please, thanks.

andrewza: http://www.army.mil/article/20793/Back_to_basics_in_the_South_African_bush/

The course, which is normally just one phase for South African Special Forces recruits, was held specifically for foreign troops. The American NCOs trained alongside troops from France, Sweden and Botswana. The training took place in Phalaborwa, near the Kruger National Park - roughly a five-hour drive northeast from Pretoria.

The instructors - who spoke English with a choppy South African accent - were Zulus, veteran soldiers who grew up in the bush and fought with the SASF in Angola in the early 1980's, Otfinoski said.

scipher: It's normal if you guys get training from other countries.. Your compatriot posted this and quote "NATO countries come to SA to be tought"... Err... A source Pls?

Example of SA soldiers teaching troops from Netherlands survival skills and escape and evasion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCQh2Pz47VE

scipher: It's normal if you guys get training from other countries.. Your compatriot posted this and quote "NATO countries come to SA to be tought"... Err... A source Pls?

He said "NATO countries come here all the time". You asked for a source, then when you get one you act like you didnt ask for it.

Another Example of training with a NATO country...


Exerice Shared Accord 2011 - http://www.grocotts.co.za/content/galleries/photo-galleries/us-marines-makana-part-ii-02-08-2011

[img]http://www.africom.mil/Image/4288/Hi[/img]

https://www.grocotts.co.za/files/a.jpg

https://www.grocotts.co.za/files/IMG_7631.JPG

scipher: I could use a source right now

Just one example.



Worthwhile Training with SA Navy - German Navy Head

German Navy chief, Vice Admiral Axel Schimpf, says his country finds training with the South African Navy worth the effort of sailing all the way from Germany.

The Vice Admiral is in Cape Town for the Indian Ocean Naval Symposium (IONS) and is representing his country as an observer. The South African and German navies have been co-operating for more than a decade and hold the biannual exercise Good Hope, which is the largest exercise undertaken by the German Task Force Group outside of its NATO obligations.

“I think we get a lot out of it because nowadays we have global challenges so we have to go for good co-operations and co-operative solutions”, Schimpf said. “We believe in alliances. This results from our history and pure political situation.” http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24923:worthwhile-training-with-sa-navy-german-navy-head&catid=108:maritime-security&Itemid=233

agaugust: Is this Joule Electric car already available today in dealers auto sales shop for consumers to buy and use? Is it 100% south African made product body and engine ?

Not like the Rooivalk helicopter that south Africa claims to produce but the engine of imported from France, and you guys are hiding that information but I know it. South Africa only built the Rooivalk helicopters body on a French made imported engine and you all fraudulently claim glory for it. Can you Rooivalk helicopter fly without the imported engine from France ? No, it will be dead like a stone on the ground.

Also your electric car story above has No web link source to prove it and that has been the habit of you south Africans, if it is a Nigerian that posted any good thing you will ask for web link source. You guys are just a bunch of G**SE !

My man let me put it to you plain and simple. That's how engineering works. Components that are too expensive to produce locally are purchased from other companies. If you believe for example that every piece of British military equipment has 100% British parts, then not only are you stupid, you also dont know how engineering works.

About the Rooivalk engine. You describe it as if South Africa just put a cardboard box onto French engines. If it's so easy to make an attack helicopter, we are all waiting patiently for Nigeria's version. If for some reason the Rooivalk didn't have French engines, South African companies like Turbomeca Africa http://www.turbomeca.co.za/, can vary easily fill in that gap with engines. Only if the need arises.

About the Joule. I was merely pointing out that South Africa has the ability to design and manufacture it's own vehicles. The Joule programme has been on and off for years now, but this is the clearest sign that production might begin.

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-05-02-department-offers-incentives-for-electric-car-producers/

scipher: your response clearly repelled my claim of SA not having any indigenous car manufacturing company/brand

https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/images/2008/10/10/paris01.jpg

https://auto.infoniac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Optimal-Energy-joule-interior.jpg

South African government say they have given an incentive to Optimal Energy, to produce the Joule electric car provided they manufacture at least 5000 a year. And not just to Optimal Energy, any electric car producer in SA.

Eze Promoe: [color=crimson]Why did you use America as an example?
Why not South Africa as usual?
One thing you must know is that BH is not made up of only Nigerians. Chadians, Malians, Nigeriens, Egyptians, Algerians, Libyans, and people from so many other countries are amongst them. Boko Haram also has link with the international al-queda.
So it is not as easy as you say it, but still our military take them every single day in their numbers.
Another problem is that the members of the sects are cowards and can't come out to face the military, they rather hide themselves amongst the civilians, and when the military strikes it will be heard that civilians were killed.
I'm sure South Africa would have send an SOS to the international community if they were to face all these, but we Nigerians choose not to lick the boots of the Westerners.
We face our problem ourselves and we shall surely overcome. Go and think of how you'll bury your soldiers you lost to CAR area boys.
LOL![/color]

I can very gladly use South Africa as an example. Even though many many people hate the current South African
government, they won't form violent militant groups like Boko Haram. For the simple fact that they know they wont get away with it. Our defence force getting attacked on home soil by militants simply will never happen, and if it does it will be sorted out.

You answered exactly how I knew you would. I don't care if Boko Haram is made up of soldiers from the moon, that's just an excuse. Why would the great Nigerian army let people from all those countries cause so much chaos in your country? You claim to have the equipment, you claim to have the skills, declare martial law and weed them out street by street. The reason they exist is because they know they can get away with it, simple as that. If an American Boko Haram was hiding amongst civilians, do you think the US army would use that as an excuse? No.

Point is, all countries which do not have such internal problem from rebels or bandits all have strong defence forces or a good security structure. There is a zero tolerance attitude.

Eze Promoe: [color=crimson]Yea, you may see it as such because Nigeria is poor in record-keeping, you can never tell what Nigeria has except in the battle field.
Remember during the civil war, that weapons were built and made by Biafrans.
Boko Haram makes their bomb themselves, they have a number of bomb factory in Northern Nigeria.
South Africa would have being in the dust if it has experienced what Nigeria has experienced.
That's how you get to know who are the real GIANTS [/color]

And the reason Boko Haram even still exits in Nigeria is because your military is powerless to stop them.
Any defence force which is as good as you claim Nigeria's is would have crushed them a long time ago. That is
why you don't get "Boko Haram" type attacks in America, Britain, Germany, Japan etc etc. If such groups do rise up,
they are immediately crushed.

If the Nigerian army know that they have a bomb factory in northern Nigeria why not just have the air force bomb it?
Why not use all that fancy equipment you have and end Boko Haram once and for all?
You dont have to answer me because I know what you're going to say..."it's more complicated than that, they getting external help, blah blah blah"

all4naija: Good one from SA. But, it is all white. What are the blacks doing? Are they marginalized?

No they aren't marginalized at all. The bottom pic was taken years ago, which happens to have white people. The top pic is the newer pic.

Denel Overberg Test Range

Control room of the missile and aircraft test range in the Western Cape, South Africa.
All new missile systems are tested here. The facility also caters for flight tests, and also helps NASA track rocket launches (telemetry).

https://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/172237_151848761540705_3759789_o.jpg

https://www.denel.co.za/images/image_bank/20.jpg

South African Sub sinks Nato Fleet - 2007

A lone South African submarine left some Nato commanders with red faces on Tuesday as it "sank" all the ships of the Nato Maritime Group engaged in exercises with the South African Navy off the Cape coast. The S101 -- or the SAS Manthatisi -- not only evaded detection by a joint Nato and South African Navy search party consisting of several ships combing the search area with radar and sonar, it also "sank" all the ships taking part in the fleet. At several times during the exercise -- which lasted throughout Monday night and Tuesday morning -- a red square lit up the screens where the surface ships thought the submarine was. But it remained elusive. This gave Defence Minister Mosiuoa Lekota something to brag about when he landed on the SAS Amatola on Tuesday to speak to the media "To be able to frustrate detection by Nato nations is no mean achievement; it speaks of the excellence of the equipment we acquired for this purpose," Lekota said. And while this left one of the world's strongest military alliances frustrated, it was also a sign that the group had a capable partner in Africa, Lekota said. "With sustained inter-operability with foreign forces such as Nato, we are well positioned to respond to any unforeseen circumstances that may confront either ourselves or other regions," he said. Lekota was quite clear that a working relationship with Nato was desired. "They have a partner of reliable capability because we are forging working relations here. We are building mutual confidence for what can be done and what we can do together as Nato and South Africa, or as Nato and Southern African nations," Lekota said. These sentiments were echoed by the commander of the Nato maritime group, Rear Admiral Mahon, who said the deployment would see the group sailing right around Africa. "I can't speak for what the future will hold but certainly this was valuable. Africa is a strategic continent. The freedom of the seas, energy, security, they are all critical issue to Nato countries," he said. The exercises would continue till the end of the week and would include, ship-to-ship refuelling, search-and-seizure exercises and various other scenarios faced by modern navies. -- Sapa

agaugust: nothing special in new south African navy small boats, they are still far behind Nigerian navy in this area where Nigerian navy rules the world even better than American navy.

And people are expected to have a debate with someone after they make such foolish statements. The Nigerian Navy is better than the American Navy? . The sad thing is you probably believe every word you're saying.

And yes, the Nigerian Navy should in fact be bigger than South Africa's Navy. South Africa is actually a very dry country. No inland deltas, our rivers do not allow for inland travel by ship (too shallow). So all our Naval assets are only to protect our industrial harbour points.

all4naija: Doesn't this just affirmed what we have been saying? SA is known for showing off well polished military hardware. CAR incidence put a big hole in your military prowess recently.

If you're going to keep on going back to CAR, it shows your argument holds no water.
None of the hardware you see in those videos was in CAR. No heavy weapons, no heavy artillery, no air support.
Just 200 foot soldiers, urgently sent there to protect SANDF trainers. It doesn't matter what we say about CAR, you simply refuse to believe it, so there's no point arguing.

SA Air Force C130. These aircraft will need to be replaced by 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI36ypabK34

Display at Air Show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXgeQ-H38u0

Artillery Open Day....SA Army


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecMRlVAKQEU

1 more....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgvBVLS9dg

AIR CAPABILITY DISPLAY - SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VpL_hJQMa8

Disclaimer: I'm not comparing anything to anything. Just posting a video on a defence forum.

all4naija:

https://a395.idata.over-blog.com/4/22/09/08/Africa/South-Africa/SA-Defence-indus/Denel/Seeker-400/model-of-the-Seeker-400-carrying-two-Mokopa-anti-tank-missi.jpg

Nonsense! Something which is not in drawing-board is what you are trying to flaunt here as SA military achievement. Please, get your sh*t out of my face!

Why you so angry? Seeker 400 UAV is at an advanced stage in the design process. It's not on the drawing board, it
exists. Saudi Arabia is not the only customer for this UAV, there are two other customers in the middle east as well.
Why exactly would Saudi Arabia enter a deal with SA, for a system which is not on the drawing-board as you put it. Does that make any sense to you

And please don't even begin to pretend as if you wouldn't talk about this system if it was Nigeria that developed it.

Still waiting for a reply from any Nigerian poster about the claims of Nigerian soldiers shooting civilians and burning their homes during the fight with Boko Haram (spelling). Let me guess, that was propaganda lies....since your professional army would never do that.

zaandrew: Once again you show your foolishness.

13 on our side over 500 on there's.

Seleka had a massive numbers of mercanries from Chad and sudan. Not farmers. They where armened with 23mm auto cannons, 14.5mm VHMG, 30mm AGLs, mortas, RPG7s.

There main commander was a ex genrial from chad, the genrial in charge of the forces that fought the SANDF was a ex CAR officer that had been trianed by the SANDF. He had a good under standing of our doctrain. Yet we still killed over 500 of them.

Most of our forces was light infantry up against technicals.

The closet exampil is operstion irwen.

Why keep going round and round in circles? Just let this CAR/Seleka issue rest because it's clear they dont
want to listen to anything you say. Never argue with fools my friend.

Saudi Arabia to purchase South African armed UAV's

https://www.uasvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Denel_seeker_400.2.jpg

Saudi Arabia is buying an armed drone from South Africa after the Obama administration declined to sell the oil-rich kingdom U.S. Predator or Reaper missile-firing unmanned aircraft. The state-owned South African company Denel Dynamics is working covertly with the Saudis to develop the Seeker 400 drone into an armed combat system for the Saudi military, the Paris-based newsletter Intelligence Online reported March 27.

The Seeker 400 is an advanced version of the company’s Seeker II unarmed surveillance aircraft.

The newsletter stated that the Saudi military would be the first customer to purchase the Seeker 400 armed drone and engineers from Denel are in the kingdom as part of the secret program. If completed, the sale would allow Saudi Arabia to join the growing number of militaries that operate missile-firing drones—the most advanced weapon currently in use to launch precision strikes on terrorists.

The new drone will be equipped with South Africa’s Mokopa air-to-ground missiles that are currently deployed on Algerian helicopters. The drone also can be outfitted with Impi laser-guided missiles with a range of 10 kilometers.

The drones are believed to be sought by the Saudis for use against the terrorist group al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which is currently operating in Yemen and has conducted international operations against the United States.

more at http://freebeacon.com/armed-and-dangerous/

all4naija: Don't be offended at my opinion on this particular gun. I thought at first it was some toy used by Nollywood or SA movies studio. I don't see anything worth praising in this Halo-4-like game gun.

However, the SA guns are in no way going to be better than the ones Nigeria government will be purchasing because they are coming from the developed nations' advanced technology. It is waste of time flaunting this toy as though it can withstand the developed nations product.

Please, call in Russia or US to help you guys out with modern weaponry. Until then this one doesn't impress me at all.

And how exactly would a rifle impress you? The only way to be impressed by any rifle at all is to fire it, and compare advantages and disadvantages with other rifles you've also fired. Since you haven't fired this rifle, your point is useless. It means you just judged it purely based on the pic, which is like judging the handling of a car before you've even started the engine. I personally would feel embarrassed for making your comment, especially on a military forum. I was simply showing you the future direction in which the South African R4 rifle is headed, under Project African Warrior. I never compared it to anything, never said it was better than anything. You must be trying so hard to prove some sort of imaginary point.


You say please call in Russia or U.S for help with modern weaponry? Ignore the fact that South African defence technology has been exported to the west....shame