₦airaland Forum

tit: i did not see any weapons with the shot men.
it seems funny that ten rioters would charge at 100 armed policemen.
(you notice the number of police when the camera panned to the right from where most of the machine gunfire came from).

luvinhubby: As much as i condemn human killing, there should be a limit to everything. Had been rioting & killing for days now ( ten dead including policemen). Today they make a dash towards armed policemen with matchets, sticks & guns taken from slain policemen, what do you expect. In conflicts, deadly force is employed WHEN THERE IS OBVIOUS TREAT TO PERSONEL LIFE and in this case there was. Poor miners, what a heavy price to pay for VIOLENT IGNORANCE .

2buff: Ya from reading this, I think the miners asked for it.
A protest may only be allowed if it is a peaceful protest. If they are wielding machetes and killing cops, then yeah, they had that and more coming.

SA depends on it's diamonds. By merely striking alone, they would have eventually gotten the ear of someone important & desperate to listen to them...just like Nigerians strong-armed government by grinding the economy of the country to a halt during fuel-subsidy strike, which was the only way jonacrook would have listened to reason.

They didn't have to get violent with their protest. Only led to pointless loss of life.

BTW...Nigeria needs to do more of that.
I gained some respect for the people when they did that, and I'm sure the politicians did too as they would have woken up to the fact that "there is a limit" to tyranny and if it must be done, must be done with intelligence, a thing clearly lacked by the majority of politicans in that country.

4 Play: It's not a bright idea to be wielding a machete. No point exposing yourself to the risk of getting shot over a pay raise by wielding a machete.

bittyend: Speechless!!

This is reminiscent of the apartheid days! Killing of protesters is barbaric and shouldn't be condoned/applauded by any sane human being. These miners are grossly underpaid by European owned mining companies, and they have a right to protest.

Where is the outcry from the international/Western media? I guess the lives of poor black people isn't worth anything because they 'control' the mining companies in South Africa. But when something similar happened in Libya; they were quick to declare a no-fly zone, to bomb a thriving Country into the stone age.

I'm pouring out a little liquor for the dead!!

God bless the dead!

phraze: Heartless Company. Shutdown the Company jare. They ordered the Shootin. The Workers had the right to protest.... Aparthied Police Men.

panafrican: Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKxipZ_pFhU

Sad day ! This wasn't the reason why steve Biko and the children of soweto died, not to count the unkown heroes who gave their lives to bring down the fascist apartheid regime.

berem: did u actually post this topic to type such a disgusting and wicked comment? Boy! U need to get ur brain diagnosed!smh for u.

naijacutee: What an embarrassment. Human life does't mean anything to you?

coogar: to dictate and to control means the same thing!
sagamite, stop scraping the barrel!

fstranger8: Ode oshi. SO it is written in their genes abi? Already programmed in their DNA. And it takes smacking to deprogram their DNA?

Ode! Intellectual ode! lol Now I know why you flunked out of OAU . . . Mr. Bristol. Olodo

fstranger8: Mr. plagiariser. Na here you dey?

Olodo, dumbomite. Cant write, cant think, calls himself intellectual god. Ode. You need to go learn about comma splices ASAP. Retarrddddd

dayokanu: If you are well brought up regardless of the suffering you would not steal.

There are people brought up in rich homes but still dont see anything wrong with vices and crime

The major drivers of crime and vices is the upbringing. Do you disagree?

Ok if you disagree then why bother smacking your child when you know upbringing doesnt affect them in anyway or are you just smacking because you enjoy beating kids?

Deadly clashes at South Africa's Lonmin Marikana mine

Police in South Africa have opened fire during clashes with striking workers at the Marikana platinum mine, leaving at least seven people dead, witnesses say.

South African media reports put the death toll at 12 or even higher.

Police opened fire after miners carrying machetes defied an ultimatum to disarm, reports from the scene say.

The mine, owned by Lonmin, has been at the centre of a violent industrial dispute exacerbated by inter-union tensions.

Ten people had previously died as a result of clashes since the strike began last Friday.

The striking miners had gathered on a rocky hill near Marikana, the third-largest platinum mine in the world.

Some union leaders and police had tried in vain to disperse the crowd, some of whom said they were prepared to die on the hill.

During the clashes, missiles - thought to be either petrol bombs or grenades - were thrown at police, who responded by opening fire, eyewitnesses said.

Some reports said a group of miners had approached police lines before the shooting began.

One witness, Molaole Montsho, of the South African news agency Sapa, told the BBC police had first used teargas in an attempt to disperse the miners.

"The police threatened with them water from the water cannon, fired tear gas and stun grenades. And then in the commotion - we were about 800m (2,600ft) from the scene - we heard gunshots that lasted for about two minutes," he said.

He also said he had counted 18 bodies lying on the ground after the gunfire, but could not tell whether they were dead or alive.
Union rivalry

The recent violence was initially thought to have been triggered by a turf war between the long-established National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) and the newly-formed Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union (AMCU), which is more militant.

However, the AMCU has since demanded a pay rise of 12,000 rand ($1,500; £930) per month.

Lonmin said in a statement on Thursday that the strike was illegal and that any striking workers who did not return to work by Friday would be sacked.

The company said it had missed six days of production as a result of the unrest, and estimated it would lose around 2% of its normal yearly output of saleable platinum. The company's share price dropped by more than 6% on Thursday on the London Stock Exchange.

The violence has shocked South Africans, with many finding the scenes reminiscent of how the apartheid regime dealt with protests, the BBC's Milton Nkosi in Johannesburg reports.

coogar: it does when enforced effectively!
this is why you would see drivers who disobey all the driving regulations in naija come to the uk and drive sensibly! you think i don't want to honk my horn playfully, run the lights, stick one arm out of the window, jump queues, etc like i do in naija? of course i want to but i know the consequences would be unpretty so i abide by the laws....



so why smack then? what is the essence of doing it? there should be a marked difference between smacked kids and unsmacked kids in the way they behave in the absence of their parents. however, you find out the smacked kid is as bad(if not worse) than the unsmacked kid!



the limit in behaviour is pretentious. the limit in behaviour is because the kids don't want to be smacked not because they necessarily buy your bullshit! the moment these same kids smell an air of freedom in the university hostels, they become something else.... watch them when their parents visit, they would start removing nail polish, dress decently, remove their brazilian weave and quickly plait their hair to appear decent again!

coogar: but how come our "smacked kids" grow up to become corrupt leaders in spite of the strict discipline. i am sure all our leaders and corrupt officials were all smacked - see how it has worked for us. now compare to their counterparts abroad and see the difference.......
if anything the smacking hardens us to become crooks in africa!

coogar: charity starts from home......
i am assuming every kid in nigeria got one sorta strict discipline or the other either from school, home, church, mosque, etc - so how come we don't see the effect of this discipline when they grow up to effect a change in our society? at what point in their development do they forget the "strict discipline" meted to them by parents/guardians/teachers?

coogar: singapore is a nanny state - you cannot really call what they practise there democracy!
it's like a rich man's libya! the citizens are being bullied to live their life in a way their government wants it. which country in the world would find you $1000 for dropping trash on the floor. connecting to a wifi hotspot in singapore equates to hacking - one could go to jail for that. is that what you want me to work with?



same thing that makes libya successful.
it's like dictatorship - chew bubblegum and pay $1000. is that even sensible?
annoying twats!



what's lovely about botswana?
so you are saying if they don't smack in botswana, there would be a huge difference in the "loveliness" of the country?



ok.....
but i need to be convinced smacking works!

fstranger8: Dont you ever confuse me with Shymmex again in your life. Ode sohi

fstranger8: Who and you is debating? I teach your a/s/s. I open your clogged mind. When DID I ever debate you? Ode! I just laugh at your stupidity.

fstranger8: So in 1847, the goal of smacking kids in Africa was to make them studious? Saga man, now I see why people like [color=#990000]Chiarcover[/color] think you are smart! Your ability to pull shyt from your a/s/s is commendable. In fact, you are a 1 percenter when it comes to making shyt up.


And by and large, it has also created generations of timid souls who lived and are still living unhappy existence. And bending down to some stupiddd corrupt, diabolical elder isnt more respectful than standing up, shaking their hands with straight shoulder and upright posture. It s matter of perception.

dayokanu: Sagamite,

Can i ask which society has more crime and social vices. African e.g Nigerian or Foreign e.g American

coogar: if the smacking and the strict discipline were effective, why cheat in the exams?

[color=#000000]f[/color]uck yes!!!



if the strict discipline meted to the people handling the administration worked, why would they need to resort to collecting money from examination candidates? were the exam invigilators raised in mars? were they not raised in the same nigeria? the discipline failed them and sadly, it has failed the kids too!
thanx for making my point....



why would there be access? the admin officers handling examinations here have been drilled about honesty and dignity "without the cane". it's not like many of them are stinkingly rich but they won't trade their dignity for few wads of pounds! they were tutored without the cane and they abide by it till the day they die. of course, there are few bad eggs abroad too but not in the same obscene level like nigeria....



where is the market for her to do such nonsense? there has to be a buyer before such business can thrive, sagamite! picking up whores is illegal in the uk if she's not licensed. the cops here won't accept bribes and she would get banged up so it's natural for any naija hooker to reduce her whoring abroad - it's not like they wish so, the system does not allow it!



i cannot connect the above with what's being discussed!

eldee: Wait, I'm the first to state that families are building blocks of society? You've never heard that flaws in family systems translate to problems in the society at large? WOW. . .that's a first!

So the leaders are corrupt? The leaders didn't come from families?
First you admit that when people become junkies, you admit it's the families. . . but when the leaders are it's from Orunmila? I'm getting you.
Go on with your "clunking rubbish" and all. . .Piers Morgan is proud of you sir.

eldee: Again I ask, the most corrupt people in the world and you're claiming a moral victory? Oh yeah I get it, corrupt leaders are from Mars.
Your RESULTS are no better.

You don't get it, there is a flaw with the method you swore by, I highlighted it, I don't need to praise anything else, I don't need to criticise anything else, if you think the points I stated are wrong argue, against them and stop wasting time.

coogar: no, it does not -
the african disciplinary way has failed africa. the evidence is so blatant when you look at the moral decadence in nigeria tertiary institutions and even nysc camps.. what makes a kid raised in nigeria better morally than the ones raised abroad? go to examination centres in lagos and watch these "disciplined" african kids bribing and doing all sorta malpractises. go to female hostels and watch how whoring has been glorified...abeg, let's call a spade what it is....

there's a difference between hypocrisy and decency.....that a kid raised in naija does not discuss about sex in public does not mean she doesn't mutter it under her breath to herself. of course, when she sees uncle sagamite - she feigns innocence! whereas, the kid raised abroad would tell uncle sagamite to leave the bedroom for her cos she needs to sleep with her boyfriend. same intentions, one has the balls to express her feelings and the other cannot!!!

airfinance: 52 athletes with 500 officials 2.5 billion gone only for olympics.
It is only in nigeria that officials wld out numbered athletes. This thing happened in beijing olympics 4yrs ago. The government should have known this before the start of the games if they arrre being serious about re organisation of sports in nigeria.
Do you guys remember Dr. Patrick Ekeji the. D G of sports commission, this Man disgracefully stated in in his report to have used 8million naira or so to Open a FACEBOOK account for the commission.
Yet he is still sitting thr during and after the olympics. Who are the government deceiving? Abegiiii make I wack jare

eldee: Lool . . . oh, I thought the reply was self-evident?
Let me give you in clear terms. The society in that admittedly corrupt system is a product of the flawed socialization mechanism in the family unit.
In more basic terms, if your beating kids system didn't Bleep up in the first place, I won't have to pay bribe for my Japanese products.

eldee: And you asked, which would I prefer, I'll repeat myself. . . "It's not what about what I would prefer, it's about what is better for the child in the long run.", making the question irrelevant to this discussion.

There are more than two ways to kill a cat brother. If I say one of the two options stated on this very expansive thread is less attractive, I don't have to sing praises for the other, that's irrational tunnel vision.
I'm only saying there must be better options, and it should include removing intimidation from child-raising, even if hitting your kids is involved.

eldee: Chicken and egg story. Which came first? The act of beating your kids to pulp or the corruption in the mindset of the average Nigerian?

This question is irrelevant. It's not what about what I would prefer, it's about what is better for the child in the long run.
But as I said, we should be looking for ways to improve the situation and not reducing the level of violence we use against kids while at it.

ronkebp: Not in that sense, looking at it from Sisi-kills' point of view..."whether you spank in one country and do not spank your kids in another country, there will still be bad and good children in both countries".

ronkebp: hun

the essence of arguing back and forth sometimes is to learn and not to always prove that my points are better than yours, especially when moderators and panel of judges are not involved, if what SISI-Kill just said, Was what you were trying to say all along, you should have said it, instead of dwelling on the way i stare at my son, or the right hand that was used to wash the buttocks and looking for unnecessary evidence....

eldee: Oh by the way, I want to know how to smack my kids into being studious. Is it by knocking their heads for direct access??

Is it self applicable? Can I smack myself into being studious too? Is this the secret behind the excellent scores amongst Nigerian SSCE candidates?

ronkebp: True, not fair to try to say one nation is better than the other, since they both produce the same result.

eldee: By "respectful", you mean "submissive" and "intimidated" children? The average Nigerian doesn't see anything wrong in giving bribe and you think that's a moral victory? Spare me the rhetoric your parents gave you. . . I heard it from my parents too, along with the one that says women should keep quiet when men speak.
There are better ways to raise kids, smacking has failed, and even if the leniency seen in the Western culture isn't working, we should be looking for ways to improve instead of putting all the frustration of your daily life on your child.