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Why can't you say the price in here?

ShutdownBrown24:
I got this photo from a friend of mind who is a military man.

The high degree of decipline in the army

http://www.naijabiggists.com/2015/08/nigerian-military-design-back-of-army.html

You are a cretinous fuuktard!

This is "decipline" (sic) to you?

Or the training of animals so they can come and beat fuuktards like you like animals on the street?

freecocoa:
Like disrupt the ceremony.

I have seen it happen.

Get thugs to beat the fck out of them and then police to put them in jail.

freecocoa:
Yea, I believe so much in egalitarianism.

You know according to my dad, even the list is determined by the family,with just a few things for the umunna, so I won't face any problems with the community or anything. I have decided my family will be the one to provide those things, I talked about not giving them any at all but he said some greedy ones will make trouble.

What kind of trouble can they make?

dealslip:
your rage confirms my message got to you clearly. Stay off drugs and follow my advice. I love you Sagamite

Fck you, fuuktard!

No appreciation and gratitude for free education.

sparkleboy:
You're really one crazy dude! Seriously I couldn't help reading through Al, your post and "LOLING" through it all.

I kinda like your spirit and the high self esteem that you have! Sagamite the great flirt

No homo intended but I seriously admire your spirit even though I beg to differ on your opinion of Naija girls or generalisation of their attitude.

It seems my crush has been reading you sef cos now at her peak sef she don dey call me back once she sees my missed calls unlike teletele when she dey form med student with no time.

Lol.

Yeah. I am constantly of the mindset that I will never let any woman drag me on the floor. It is neve worth it.

You have to put them in their place or cut them off. Never let them disrespect, insult or disregard you and get away with it.

And don't hang with/date girls who are not working hard to make you happy. It must be obvious they are making an effort to make you happy and avoiding to annoy you. Otherwise you have to end it.

Even me too am noticing NL girls are getting less belligerent.

I fcking deserve a freaking award!

joseph1013:
Reading these kids makes me ashamed of my fellow citizens. First thing I noticed, they don't write in stu.pie shorthand. That alone takes the cake.

Ahhhh! Dey there.

I have been screaming this on NL for years.

https://www.nairaland.com/151604/foreign-graduates-much-better-than#2537577
https://www.nairaland.com/737735/nigeria-graduate-vs-foreign-graduate/1#8950130
https://www.nairaland.com/737735/nigeria-graduate-vs-foreign-graduate/1#8950218

The other major problem is that fuuktards like Joromi1 are actually defiant and in denial about how intellectually fcked they are. They honestly think they are intelligent because of some moronic and virtually worthless certificate given to them in Nigeria despite not having the basic ability in reasoning and providing structured thinking and arguments. Something not tested at any stage in the failed education system.

Remember, the kids in those links are mostly in the age range of 16 to 18. See the way they write well and argue for fck sake.

Now watch our "graduates" like Joromi1.

Kai! Good education is good o.

I have said it before that I have never seen a UK university student write on a forum with textspeak. NEVER!

The quality education they receive will not allow it. Plus they argue with basic sense (not always right, not always logical, but you can see the basics and they are quick to concede when you breakdown their logic).

But see our graduates on NL:

The luvola of LASU came to NL to say LASU "has been rated the 34th best university for Law in the world" because it came 34th in some competition.

https://www.nairaland.com/821755/lasu-law-rated-best-africa

To him, by virtue of its position in one lousy competition, then that is how good it is in Law in the world.

That is our Nigerian "graduate".

Another are the likes of isquar3d3, jayhanks and Dopefiend.

https://www.nairaland.com/1009670/alegongo-secondary-school-akobo-ibadan/2#11764703

https://www.nairaland.com/1112730/cant-give-phone-number-facebook/10#13151004

https://www.nairaland.com/821755/lasu-law-rated-best-africa/3#9753510

"Graduates" that communicate in textspeak. I have to be fair though and say it appears Dopefiend has converted and now types normally.

And some would say Sagamite does not change lives for the better with his brash education on NL.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2137828.stm

VickyRotex:
Ain't tryna sound like an over-hygenic person here. Just pointing out the obvious.

You saying, it's bad to talk about how irritating that environment is?

You be olodo!

You did not see where I said "people I meet"?

Have I met you?

So why do you think it was directed at you?

Sikira? Abi e wo niyen? (Or is that you?)

Kamoru ni yi o. (This is Kamoru.)

I was agreeing with you how disgusting the environment was, so how can you be asking if I am saying it is bad to discuss the environment?

VickyRotex:
Ewwwwwww

Everything is irritating.

Look at the environment it's been prepared.

Talk of Personal Hygiene!

That was what shocked me the most.

The meat is placed all over green algae.

Very disgusting environment.

Just shows you how strong our natural immune system is. As much as I like it hygienic, I get irritated by over-hygienic people I meet who want to impress how with "how hygienic they are" and always want to point out what is unhygienic.

Look at how UK kids are debating more intelligently than the fuuktard called Joromi1 that is older than them.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3487863

And when I say "product of a failed education system", this cretin would think I am insulting him.

Good they already asked for permission before killing it.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/how-hippopotamus-meat-was-shared-in-gombe/

I didn't know she had a government appointment.

No wonder she was all over the arsse of the market woman, Shepopotamus Jonathan, during elections campaign, kissing it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfd0Z5nDKfU

dealslip:
amazing you must be suffering from narcissism. Look for someone else to show off your 'superior' knowledge too. I didn't even open your link, your time of relevance on nairaland expired several years ago.

You are a moronic fuuktard!

Get your notepad out and start jotting down.

I am giving you free education, you are vexing? Cretin.

BabyDaddy20:
Run out of ideas ??
Abeg, go get a job.
To write song,sing am, you think say na to create a topic on Nairaland.

Foolish Nigerians

Don't mind the hating fuuktard.

contactmorak:
MI has officially run out of ideas! And if an artiste lacks ideas on stage, his idea factory should definitely be empty in the studio! Fresh from making a female fan dissolve into tears at the Star Music Trek 2015 Calabar Rocks concert by proposing to her, the Choc Boi Nation President did the same thing to a female fan while performing at Makurdi Rocks which held on Saturday August 1 at the IBB Square, Makurdi, Benue State.
In the middle of his performance, he called on a female fan in the audience and invited her onstage. The 'overjoyed' fan gladly jumped onstage and immediately denied having a boyfriend. "I am Mrs. Abaga!" she 'excitedly' declared as the crowd roared in approval. And MI, in what now appears to have been a redundant move to the smart members of the audience, gave the babe an engagement ring. "Arrangee thingz" Lol...Watch the video of MI 'proposing' to the female fan below...

http://www.splendormag.com/2015/08/out-of-ideas-mi-uses-his-proposal-stunt.html

You are a cretinous fuuktard with your moronic magazine.

Continue being a hater and trying to throw dirt at someone with your moronic conclusion, fuuktard!

He is making money, you are moronically hustling on NL trying to promote your dumb sufferhead publication with dumb conclusions.

Dumb cretin! Na hunger go kill you if your hating does not.

Mixty:
SagaMAD, why are you fond of creating several monikers to sing your praise to high heavens? Are you that a deluded niqqa suffering from chronic and deep low self esteem?

I didn't bother reading the long sh*t you put up there. Don't really care abt the whole poo

But you have been playing this dating game since the early days of Nairaland 10 years ago and it's surprising you are yet to hook up with a responsible babe. Who is really losing?

Can't believe that you can still be talking abt the same girlish stories 10 years after, with all the lies abt your acclaimed status.

You sre full of shiiit

I leave you to your silliness so as not to dignify an already dead thread.

You are a cretinous fuuktard!

You still don't get it?



Fuuktard, everyone would tell you that you are so dumb you are not as smart as I am in your adulthood as I was when I was 8 years old.

Look at the cretin talking about pulling girls.

Fuuktard, go back to the thread (where majority of your time on NL is spent) asking people to share with you phone number of ashawos.

https://www.nairaland.com/1290971/list-out-ashawo-joints-states/688#36626966
https://www.nairaland.com/1290971/list-out-ashawo-joints-states/688#36629751

That is what you have been shaggging, unemployable graduate?

Kimoni:
She is not part of the sales process. The contract is strictly between the buyer and the seller - the groom and the bride's family. The product in question had neither a say in the process nor benefitted from it. And I reiterate, he wasn't forced into the contract, there must be other types of marriages recognized by the state where he didn't have to pay bride price but he chose to opt for the bride price system. Whose fault?

She is the product in the sales.

She is core to the transactions and contract.

She too could have chosen other marriages to ensure she is not a product.

I hope you are aware she is an adult with a brain? You can't use that "victim" argument with a guy that is not a Real Man.

Kimoni:
Exactly! Up for debate but too subjective and relative to attempt.




you are a cretinous fucktar.d



You are a product of a failed educational system

Did you factor in the fact that that post is a response to an earlier post wherein the contract angle was introduced? And it was based on some perceived assumptions??

When you have kids, pls don't send them to Isale-Oko community school or RSS. See what it has done to you

Anuofia!

You have the audacity to ridicule the 2 prestigious secondary schools located in the great Sagamu?

The schools that produce more Harvard and Oxbridge alumni than any other secondary schools in the whole wide world?

You have issues!

shindarayo:
D wife in question shldnt hv gone dt far by exchanging words,dey both sound childish to me....drr re beta ways to deal with bold bitches like her.a short trip to the chemical shop is enuff to shut the bitch up.or I place magun(thunderbolt)on huby and dts d end for the crazy bitch

lovaleenny:
O ma shey o one of worst thing in life is to marry a person who doesn't have respect for you....imagine a man putting his wife thru all dis if u didn't love her den divorce and marry d side chick nw...why keep her and d side chick too

Meanwhile am suspecting the side chick is all talk and no action na to hire guys beat her and hubby ,torture them, before killing them den dump their bodies to the ocean

I am afraid the man wants variety.

This is not about lack of love, it is about desire for something different from the norm.

Kimoni:
Agree. I am not against the dowry being returned, I am against the wife being mandated to pay it when she never received it and I am against the non-return of it being used to limit her rights. The groom should demand it from whoever he gave it to. Would he also demand that she pays the money he gave to her friends to woo her on his behalf?

This will only be a valid argument if the woman was not part of the sales process.

That is, if she would still have agreed to marry the man without a bride price paid and/or if she is adamant no bride price is paid for her.

If she is part of the process and was part of the ritual of the sales process (where she is displayed as THE product) then she can't turn around and say "I didn't receive it so it had nothing to do with me". She helped others receive it by offering to sell herself.

If the product is to be returned and a refund is required, she is part of the refund process just as she was willingly part of the sales process.

She is not being mandated to return it. The people that received it are being mandated to return it. Since she helped them get it, she should help return it.

Simple Logic!

Kimoni:
Hahahahahahahahahahhaha
We could both argue this till kingdom come so I won't bother. The above does not apply to me and to so many other women out there. And even if it did, can we equate the value to that which I also bring into the man's house? Men are also encouraged to get married where I can from cuz it accords them more soceital respect and the presence of a woman in the home is said to bring stability and good fortunes to the man's life. So who should be paying who ultimately and who should collect change?? I'll say the woman but it's pointless debating this. Too subjective.

The argument would be "Is your value superior to the value he brings to your life".

Kimoni:
As much as I would love to agree with you, it would depend on several things.
If they have both agreed to live forever, then whoever is balling out should should be ready to pay some form of compensation. That I fully agree. But it's more complicated than that. Whoever wants out because the other party has reneged on his/her own terms of the contract should expect to pay compensation to the other party even if he/she is not the one asking for the divorce.

Some examples that readily come to my mind on why women want out - 1) the woman wants out because the man is taking on a new wife or seeing another woman. I am 99% sure that was never part of the initial contract. 2) she is being maltreated in whatever form - this would also not have been part of the contract.

One good reason why most men will want out: He wants a new younger prettier woman. I am yet to see a woman who wants out cuz she found a younger man. So, who should be paying who??

Note:The above are just common reasons and by no means exhaustive, outliers are also not factored.

This is nonsense.

Marriage is not a contract under civil law.

And under customary law, even if you regard it as a contract, it does not require living together forever. So you can't penalise for such "breach". It normally requires the man OWNING the woman and being her Lord on Earth. Just second to Olugbala (God). He can even take multiple wives. So I am sure you will not want it to be regarded as a "contract" under this too.

Under human right laws, you can't dictate nor fine anyone based on the choices they made about who they want to be with.

This argument is very weak.

The overall point is that: Marriage is not a contract and EVERY human being should be free to choose who they want to be with at any stage or time of their life. And you don't pay people for not wanting them.

These are the kind of lame arguments some women give because they want some kind of protection/advantage. "Create a conditionality that is more likely to frequently work in your favour". No one should be forced or coerced to be with you.

ApexTitan:
It's not entirely an African thing. The West is by far more under the grip of femcentric laws than Africa is.

You are 58,000% right.

These judges just tried to show how "modern" and "progressive" they are. And they fell flat on their face.

If I was a newspaper editor in Uganda, this is how my headline will read this morning:

"Supreme Court Justices rule that buying brides is constitutional but asking for a refund is unconstitutional"

AtheistD:
Why must he show that he can take care of the wife? Why can't it be the reverse? Why can't it be collaborative? Do you know that the more educated and greater the earnings of the bride to be are, the greater the bride price.

The bride price is purely an ancient customary tradition where women are bargained off to the highest bidder and are commodities. Accept it or don't accept it, that is what it is.

I think you meant to direct that at Kimoni.

But the highlighted is a great point.

It shows you a Range Rover is more expensive than a Renault Clio. Bride pricing is based on quality of the product. It is a commercial activity for anyone with a brain, something the fuuktard Justices did not have.

Portsmouth86:
Why is this all in favor of the woman, feminism this and that yet what about Masculism? The mans right, since both men and women are supposed to be equal.

neither a woman or a man is a product, in some cultures the man has to provide items for the brides family prior to marriage, which I am sure the man is aware of, I see it as showing the prospective in-laws that the man is able to provide for their daughter, or am I wrong?

To ask for a refund, a refund for what? that is crazy you can only get a refund on something which is purchased, so those whom request a refund for a bride ...you bought your wife?

meaning of refund:
To pay back (money), typically to a customer who is not satisfied with goods or services bought.
example: "if you're not delighted with your purchase, we guarantee to refund your money in full"

You can see our Africa.

You can see the kinds of cretins that end up being "Supreme Court Justices".

It is a scary shyt!

Kimoni:
Starting with the second ruling, I would say the Supreme's court ruling is perfectly in order. Payment or non payment of bride price is strictly a cultural issue so nobody should be outlawed for practicing a culture that is mutually agreed upon by all parties (including the paying groom). Nobody put a gun to the man's head to pay the bride price, he had every right to reject the offer.

Secondly, refunding of pride price by the wife is unconstitutional -a CAPITAL YES. Why should I be responsible for something I did not benefit from? In the highlighted case, where did all the livestock go to? Were they handed to the wife? Definitely not! So, If the man is able to retrieve them from the various uncles, aunties, and grandparents he gave the dowry to, then by all means he should go ahead but to make the wife pay for it at all cost is totally senseless to me. And tying her down because of it is a violation of her fundamental right.

And considering the fact that she has been serving the man aka wife since the bride price was paid and unable to earn any tangible income of her own, she should start calculating her billions to serve as payment for all services rendered to him while they were married, not forgetting compensation for her wasted youthful years which she will never get back Inshort, that case needs to be revisited, the judge was very partial by forgetting the most important part of the ruling

You are chatting pure nonsense.

It is pure nonsense on 3 basis.

1) You forgot the argument of why the Judges said refund was unconstitutional: Women should not be treated s if they are a market commodity.

2) Secondly, so who told you that it is not mutually agreed upon by all parties to get a refund if the marriage wants to end and that is not cultural? Did anyone put a gun to the head of the brides family to ask for bride price?

3) Then you are now saying because a sale is cultural, then "nobody should be outlawed for practicing a culture". So culture is an excuse for selling people and is superior arguments to human rights?

Fck Me!

Lets allow slavery in many parts of Arabian African because it is cultural.

You also missed the contradiction in their argument.

Portsmouth86:
meaning of refund:
To pay back (money), typically to a customer who is not satisfied with goods or services bought.
example: "if you're not delighted with your purchase, we guarantee to refund your money in full"

As for the bride not being responsible for what "she did not benefit from", lets even assume his koboko, aka his johnny, aka his lollipop was not sweet in the marriage. Since she was not the one that took the payment, but allowed herself to be sold, she is not the one that needs to refund, but she should be asking the people that she allowed to sell her to refund.

There is no argument about her "not benefiting". She made herself or allowed herself to be made a product of a transaction.

Or have you forgotten that it is normal for African women to tell suitors to go and pay their dowry (or how my Southern African peeps call it "their lobola" )?

Are you saying a wife serves a husband in marriage but the husband does not serve the wife?

It is so funny how many of you women try a lame argument as if you are doing favours to men by marrying them but yet you are normally the same people who love to marry, look for marriage and want to die staying in it.

freecocoa:
Stop talking about women like we are a commodity.

We are priceless.

The Supreme Court just said Ugandan ones are constitutionally commodities.

freecocoa:
Ha! Saga saga, they cannot be priced jor, it's not like women can't or don't do those jobs that men do, maybe the men should sit home for a change and bear/raise children, only then will be be able to tell.

I don't think that method is fair, men are better at sports than women on the average, doesn't mean the women who are good should be made to suffer for it.

It's just like saying men who are in caregiving, should earn less pay because women are generally better at it, if you can do the job, you should get the pay.

If a woman does the same job a man does, then she is equally priced.

If she is doing domestics, it is not equally priced. It is a less valuable activity.

That does not mean it is easy or invaluable, it is just less valuable.

Even you will regard your daughter that has finished university and is sitting at home as contributing less than one that is going out to work as an investment banker and bringing in N12m a year.

If you are doing the job and doing the same level of job, you should get equal pay.

If the job you are doing is of less value, you should get less pay.

Women's Tennis is less valuable than Men's Tennis. It is outrageous and sexist they are getting the same pay.

bukatyne:
@Bold: What does it mean to you

It means equal.

1 = 1

2 =not 1

bukatyne:
@OP:
It is not straight forward.

First, What does Bride Price symbolize in their culture?

Speaking from a Yoruba POV, BP (w hich is not money but gifts) are brought by the groom's family as a guest and hosted by the bride's family as a host hence the bride's family handles the reception.

Often times, the cost of hosting would be more than the engagement stuffs but when you throw in the attire, hall, decor etc, they might balance.

I think demanding a refund of BP is simplistic as both parties invested into the marriage until it collapsed.

Even If you return the BP, you cannot return the man's pains, sacrifices, loving, caring ditto the woman's in the marriage. Perhaps they request a refund because the men invest everything during the wedding rites/ceremony.

In all, expecting to see a spike in divorce.

All this is completely irrelevant.

The point is that a bunch of cretins that argue that asking for a refund is like creating a sales process and unconstitutional should know paying for the same thing is a sales process and should also be unconstitutional.

Even if they are not that bright, they should know it being called "Bride Price" makes it a sale.

When you price something, you are selling it.

You can't say refund is a commercial activity but pricing is not. That is just reetarded.

freecocoa:
I am with you on this one.

Although when what you bought is over used and worn out, it's unreasonable to ask for a refund.

You can ask for the resale value then.

Maybe even structure it by arranging a cut from the sell-on value like in football.

freecocoa:
You brought it up by putting a price to what the man does in the first place and that's because you are thinking about money. It's best left as them playing their roles and they are both priceless and important.

I don't agree with the Wimbledon policy, I don't really know how the pay system works but I think it should be according to output.

That is not the handiwork of feminism, it is the handiwork of a group of selfish individuals, I don't believe women should always be at advantage.

No they are not both priceless.

They can both be priced. There is a valuation process that is apt.

You are only arguing they are priceless because you are a woman and you are looking for an argument that benefits women.

Domestics is less valuable than bringing the bacon home.

It is valuable but less valuable.

As for Wimbledon, payment should be based on the revenue you generate for the event, just like any other entertainment event.

Under such rules, men would earn more. But they were harassed as sexist by feminists until they gave people doing less work equal pay because that is what feminists see as "equal rights".

freecocoa:
So it all about the money then.

I see.

To each his own.

You should speak for yourself alone.

What we are discussing here is the transaction of women.

The fuuktard Justices in the Ugandan Supreme Courts just said it is constitutional to buy women, but it is unconstitutional to ask for a refund.

Pure moronic fuuktards!

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