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chiogo:
You believe none of them actually wrote down these proverbs?

Hmm, ok whatever.

and how could they have written it down? With what letters actually? (I mean not the latin A, B, C, X,Y,Z introduced to us by Europeans)



Some people here are missing the point. Literacy has NOTHING to do with speaking English. If you can read and write Arabic or Hausa, you are also Literate.

It has to do with the ability to read and write a language fluently.

Is pathetic that Nigeria is still stuck at this mediocre level

Thor:
silly excuse for bad football and lack of talent  

+1000000000

I wonder why refs dont stop us from winning all the age grade tournaments? Is it just the world cup that they stop us from winning

buzugee is a very insecure guy who is race obsessed. You cannot reason with him because he is paranoid and stuck on race.

He wallows in self-pity all over the place. Every single game thread he is on turns into a self-pity thread. (Go and check all the other threads, its the same thing)

You are wasting your time trying to reason with the guy.

He needs psychiatrist help but I dont think that would even help him.

Make im beg God to help am sha, though am not sure anybody can help him at this point


People get hacked to death every year in Nigeria by their fellow Nigerians just because of being a different ethnicity and somebody is on here acting a victim of phantom issues all the time

(Im no even gonna waste time responding to his attacks because he is gonna come wih the usual banter "uncle this/that, kisser this that yada yada yada, bla bla bla)

Datboyfly:
Give me an answer to this questions? Why is it only African countries who hire foreign coaches to take them to the World Cup most, if not all, of the time? Are there no competent local coaches who can do this job? If there are competent African coaches who can do the job, why are they not hired instead of the white coaches?

Your assertion about African countries being the only ones who hire foreign coaches the most is incorrect. England(Capello), Portugal(Scolari,2006), South Korea(Hiddink,2002), Saudi Arabia (Carlos Alberto Parreira) and a host of other countries have  shown up at the world cup and continue to show up at the world cup with foreign coaches. The point is you should seek to hire competent people who can deliver irrespective of origin to handle the team. In addition, consider that we(Africans) have a background that is somewhat disadvantaged in terms of organization, structure and technical know-how, so hiring foreigners as a way to bridge the gap makes some sense. However, our problems in football stem from a lack of sincerity, a commitment to mediocrity and self interest on the part of our decision makers.

+1000000000000000000000000000

kudos guy. A very honest and rationale answer.

I tire for all the emotional skin colour related discussions that go on even when that should never be part of assessing a coach.

Its sad to see some Nigerians falling into that path

South Korea hired a foreign coach for their succesful 2002 world cup run

England, the home of the game of football have a foreign coach currently doing worse than their local coaches

Russia had a Foreign Coach for their good 2008 Euro

Many countries have had foreign coaches and currently do

Infact Nigerias most succesful era in football 1994,1996 came under foreign coaches


Was it inferiority complex to hire Westerhof and Bonfere who were not even heralded coaches at that time? Should we never had hired both of them?

Princek12:
I don't know whether anyone has criticized Largerback's skin color. I know that people have criticized the NFF administrators who hired him because he is white. They could have hired Siasia who has proved himself. And why do they seem to pay the white people more than the local coaches?

You are right that we have hired incompetent black coaches, but what we are saying is that since we are Nigerians, we should hire a competent local coach. If we cannot find a competent local coach, then hire a foreign coach. But we do have competent local coaches who have not been given the opportunity. Every country does this, where employment preference is given to a local who is competent, willing, able, and ready to work.

What mentality that destroyed a lot of Black Americans are you talking about that Nigerians should run away from? If people like Martin Luther King did not fight the race problems and the mentality of people toward blacks head on, how will he have reduced the racial disparities in America. Even now, the problem afflicting a lot of black Americans is making up excuses rather than grabbing the bull by the horn. We as Nigerians want to showcase our own pride and display qualities of which we are capable.

Give me an answer to this questions? Why is it only African countries who hire foreign coaches to take them to the World Cup most, if not all, of the time? Are there no competent local coaches who can do this job? If there are competent African coaches who can do the job, why are they not hired instead of the white coaches?

My point is that we should always go 4 the best. If I had a chance to hire Jose Mourinho, Il do that in a heart beat for Naija. We should not hire a mediocare foreign coach coach just for the heck of it.

If there is a good local coach who has some pedigree like Siasia we should do that also. A coaches skin colour should be irrelevant to if Nigeria hires him or not

I personally think that Lagerback is not a good coach especially if you are chasing results. He is not bold at all. Now somebody like Mourinho would kick the ass of these lazy, passionless Nigerian players without mercy and he has the guts to make match-winning decisions.

Left with me il probably fire Lagerback and appoint Siasia immediately

But if I got the chance to get Hitzfied or Hiddink or Mourinho for Naija il go for it with two feet because it would benefit Naija



The issue of mentality

Ive seen black Americans who speak well told that they are trying to "act/talk white" and think that the way white people speak is better.
Ive seen the same for those who dress well all the time. Ive seen those who take education seriously accused of the same thing.

The people who are trying to better themselves are accused of trying to be like "whites because they think whites are better or the way whites do stuff is better"
They view everything in life through the lens of "race" to their own detriment

This is a nonsensical and hopeless mentality that Nigerians need to flee very far away from.

I dont think we should be bringing up skin colour when we appoint coaches at all

Westerhof, Bonfere Jo and Christian Chukwu did good jobs


Amodu and Berti Voigts sucked

We should be looking for the best be he a purple or green man

Nigerians need a good coach period regardless of colour.

No Nigerian ever asked for Siasia to be replaced with a foreign coach at the junior level. No Nigerian would because he did a good job. No Nigerian would want Westerhof to be replaced by a local coach in 1994. He was a very good coach.

Critisize people on results and achievement.

Bringing up Lagerbacks skin colour is like somebody always bringing up the skin colour of any of us who is hired in the west as the reason why we are hired aka he was hired because he is "black"

Being a good Coach has nothing to do with skin colour and I would support appointing Hitzfield, Jose Murinho of Hiddink over Nigeria anyday anytime. I would give Siasia time to work on a project and build a team if we cant get a top notch foreign coach.


Nigeria needs a goad coach be he a "green" man, "blue" man, "orange" man, "purple" man etc.

He can come from Mars for all I care

Princek12:
I am glad we are talking about the race issue. And the race problem manifests not only in the U.S. but also in Nigeria; the only difference is that in Nigeria some people have the mentality that white is superior because of colonization by the whites, while in the U.S. some blacks there believe white is superior because they have been robbed of their identity, probably due to slavery. If not for this colonial mentality, why do our administrators hire incompetent white coaches at the expense of qualified local coaches? Simple, they believe white is better.

Nah guy you got me totally wrong. It has nothing to do with white is better or anything like that.

I was saying that back in the days of Westerhof and Bonfere Jo when I was in Nigeria we could actually talk about merits and de-merits of coaches and players in the world with out bringing up some skin colour based crap.

Now all people do is talk about is Lagerbacks skin colour. I never heard about that during Westerhof or Bonferes time. If you are going to critisize Lagerback do so and directly with why he is flawed as a coach.

Stop the he is white is why we hired him thing.

We hired incompetent Nigerian coaches before like Amoudu and Onigbinde. Among foreign coaches that we hire we are bound to hire incompetent ones too.

If you have a valid criticism of Lagerback, his tactics, his substitutions etc level it without mentioning the skin colour thing.


and if anything Nigerians need to run away from the type of mentality that has helped destroy a lot of black Americans. Their obsession with peoples skin colour either theirs or others is destructive and wrecks irreversible damage on any society that adopts it.

This thread could easily end up a race-baiting thread. A lot of threads on Nairaland have become so race based even in the Football section sometimes I wonder if I am actually on a Nigerian forum anymore Looks more and more like an American forum when you cant even discuss any single game or topic without some colour nonsense coming up. I get mad when I see simple match or live game threads turn into some colour shite all because some people who are nuts come on there and start the same nonsense over and over again because they have a very stupid and pathetic victim mentality .

But for this topic

Amodu is not a coach period. He sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am suspecting this Lagerback guy might not be much better and might actually be inept tactically and lacks to balls to make risky  changes when needed. I dont know if im correct but I suspect that about him.

Its either we sack him or give him more time to work on a project till next nations cup.

Either ways whoever is coach next needs to be given time to prepare 4 the next 2 nations cup in 2012 and 2013

Are Walcott, Lenon, Ferdinand, Brown and Cole English?

If not what are they then?

Very poor ref. bad decisions all game.

He should not be allowed to officiate another games. The officiating for this game was a complete joke

chamotex:
I cant believe you truly watch Italian football then mate.

Massimo Busacca is from Switzerland not Italy

Yeah mate. I am the biggest Milan fan on this site and those who have been members of this forums sports section from 2005 would remember that. Just not as active on this site as I used to be following Milan's recent decline . You dont feel like coming here to defend your team after a 4-0 trashing these days when it used to be the other way around . I ment to reference the games he officated over Milan. All the games Mr Busacca has officiated in for Milan including our hideous 4-0 trashing at the hands of Man U have been fair to me. He is not one of the refs Milan fans moan about and I think by and large he is a good ref. He is going to make mistakes but I think he is among the best.

Super Eagles. Lets go there

kenerep:
As a sign of sportmanship to all those I might have offended today with ma comments I say I am sorry i just couldn't help watching ma darling african team get battered! Though the Uruguayan's were better which we all know the red card was totally wrong and also I believe it is wrong to call the ref a racist *which i did* mistakes happen and he has just a split of a second to make a decision but I guess it is those decisions that make others better! To Sage in paticular next time when you throw a jibe I will take it as a joke cos it seems no one is out to insult the other, to you as well I say I am sorry! I hope the Eagles win tomorrow though!

No problems guy. Im sorry too if I came across the wrong way as my intention was not to insult. I am an Italian league fan and I know Massimo Bussacar is one of the best around. I had seen replays done to check for offside while watching the game and it was clear Suarez started his run in an on-side position and the goalkeeper had contact with Suarez hence penalty.

I was just saying that even if the ref got both calls wrong it does not mean he is racist. Mistakes happen in football too. Everyone of us on this site would hate to be on the recieving end of a wrongful "racist" accusation.

Also a white ref being biased does not even neccesarilly translate to racism. African refs also have biases even in African Nations cup. They sometimes favour one country over another.

In this particular case I felt the ref was spot on so the accusation of racism seemed very unwarranted. Even if he was wrong it would probably have been a case of a bad call. I dont think we should level serious allegations like that without a very solid basis.

No probs sha. I feel your loss. I wanted South Africa to progress and I wanted as many African countries as possible in the 2nd round so it was panful for me too.

No worry though, Just join the Naija team . Na the winning team be dat

marutimon:
I'm sorry, why the hell do you need lines when you have the above pictures, it's clear as daylight.

The reason I asked for that was because the replays on TV showed it as onside. I need to look for the replays with those indicators. Who knows maybe ESPN replays might have fooled everybody including me

Il check it out again and Il come back and confirm.

marutimon:
Again:
http://www.d1g.com/video/space/sports/show/?id=3793190

If you stop it well enough you'll get a screenshot where Cavani has yet to touch the ball and Suarez is already offside.

And here is the proof:

Can you get an ESPN version of the goal or any version with a line that indicates offsides. I tried to but ts hard for me where I am now.

ESPN did several replays because even the ESPN commentators thought it was offside and so did I.

But the replays with the lines showed that Suarez was completely onside.

I was actually surprised too because I had felt convinced it was offside

mikeansy:
Why Arabic website? Can't even see a video.

Just a warning!!!! Everything in Arabic is back to font . . . . .I hope your video is not showing reverse-action . . .lol Kidding.

Still waiting for a video have not seen one

Suarez was completely ONSIDE when the ball was deflected.

I dont blame those who think it was initially offside. I did too.

But the replay showed otherwise and I would expect somebody who wants to accuse a very solid ref of "racism" to at least first be sure of what happened before leveling such an allegation at the ref

marutimon:
Sage: Sorry.

Look at 26 sec. for offside.

http://www.d1g.com/video/space/sports/show/?id=3793190

I watched it on ESPN and initially thought it was offside too.

Then the replay a couple of times to my surprise, showed that Suarez was at least half a yard ONSIDE when the ball was deflected

kenerep:
@Sage why I do not result to insult I do not take it lightly expecially from someone who does not know what he has read! Do you understand english at all? Did you read what I posted? It is a pity a computer has found a way to you! If you understand football well enough I am sure you won't be saying the rubbish you just posted I won't go into whether it is a penalty or not since you are not learned to that extent to explain to! I have watched many games where the african team is always on the loosing side of bad officiating and i only queried is there no black ref! if you read well and understand you will see that i already praised the Uruguayans for being the better side but it is a pity tainted is not a word you are accoustomed to, what a pity!

Dude what are you talking about? I read what you wrote and you seemed to be accusing Massimo Bussacar of racism. When an African team plays mediocar and lose its disgraceful to start with this colour nonsense. Dont you see "Black" refs officiating FiFA games? What exactly do you mean by "Black Refs should be the ones officiating African teams games?

I read your post and yes it didnt make sense at all.

can somebody please put a video of that goal to end this controversy once and for all

buzugee:
abeg dont mind mikeansy and sage. they are uncle toms. anything a white man does is always right to them

Free your mind from stupidity and mental chains. Even God cant help you at this point. Just dey spout nonsense that is not rational. Make a rational case for your viewpoint or keep quiet
"Uncle om" yada yada yada bla bla bla.  Uncle Jerry ko, Uncle Nibbles ni?

marutimon:
1. Suarez was OFFSIDE. You can go take a look at it again.
The ball was redirected by a second Uruguayan player in the path of Suarez. Suarez was offside at that moment.

2. Khune DID NOT deny the last man a clear goal scoring opportunity. There was nothing in Khune's play that hindered Suarez's chance. He only touched Suarez when the Uruguayan was already diving and the contact was so minimal. If every touch was a PK than there would be 50 penalties awarded each game.

If the ref had video replay I doubt he would have given the call.

FALSE

When the ball left the feet of the last player of Uruaguay, Suarez WAS ONSIDE

Its a categorical lie to attempt to state otherwise.

There was a clear contact and following FIfa rules a penalty and a red card


Unless you guys were watching a different game

mikeansy:
I hope you guys know the offside rule?

Where was Suarez when the Columbian who played the ball was just about to play it?

Anybody?

Mokena played him onside. You can go watch it again

marutimon:
First of all Suarez was offside, so nothing that Khune did mattered.

Second of all Suarez dived and Khune was just unlucky to touch the falling player who was looking for it.

Yes. Uruguay deserved the win. Yes. Khune made it easy for Suarez. But no - that should never be a penalty. Khune did not cause Suarez to fall over and did nothing to inhibit Suarez's chances to score.

Wrong on all counts

1. Suarez was ONSIDE. You can go take a look at it again.

2. Ref was following a clear FIFA rule with this instance. Last man deny a clear goal scoring opportunity and its a RED card. There was contact and that was clear as day

Massimo Bussaca is a good ref, one of the best in the world. His decisions were spot on.

The only thing to blame here is SOuth Africa's piss poor performance

debosky:
I'm gutted for South Africa, but they just weren't good enough.

Pienaar particularly disappointed in the 1.5 games he's played so far.

I agree completely. I expected more from Pienaar in this tournament.

kenerep:
In a game largely dominated by the Uruguayans the referee has tainted a roller coaster win with sheer stupidity and probably racism and has put the question into my mind again, how come it is a white man that ref whenever an african country and any other country not from africa is playing? Is fifa going to say there is no ref that is black and not from africa that is worthy or being in the middle. Whether we like it or not this controversies will never cease racism is not an african thing it belongs to the whites! Now it has rared its uglky head in our own tournament! The red card was not only illegitimate the player was offside but the lines men and the the ref did not see that but the penalty what a cheap way of winning. Samuel Eto'o was asked the question can an African team win the world cup he answered an African team will win the world cup when FIFA wants it to!

are u well at all? Abi u don dey smoke Igbo?

The only racists involved are you whiny ass girls on this forum. A weak team loses to a better team and u guys are acting like cry babies. Make una continue to dey blame other people for una self-inflicted woes.  White man cause una to lose my nyash. Nonsense

Can anybody tell me what the ref did wrong?

He was spot on with regards to that penalty decision. Anyother thing I missed?

and that was a clear penalty. Clear as day. South African team is simply not good enough

Buzugee carry your racist self and go blow a vuvuzela. You lost! Get over it

Amodu PR people don plenty for this forum abi? They dey pay una? Make una go siddon jor

Amodu is not a coach period!

Why is Sagamite making this a skin colour thing? Its like he is acting like an American who sees everything though the prism of colour and those people usually can not make very rational arguments.

@Sagamite, u be Naija so no dey talk like westerner wey colour issues don mess up their head and everything for them na colour based.

The french guy wey qualify Naija for 1998 world cup was sacked and replaced before the world cup by another European coach. Amodu was sacked and replaced by Onigbinde, another Nigerian despite qualifying naija for 2002.

Nigerians critisized the German guy wey wan coach Naija from Germany and sacked him.



What you have to understand is that Amodu is not a coach. He can be a "green man" for all I cared I would still have personally fired his ass. Lagerbeer might end up not much better but firing Amodu was the right thing to do.

Nigerians love coaches who inspired teams and took them to the next level regardless of colour hence the love for Westerhof, Bonfere and Siasia. It has nothing to do with colour. If Westerhof had dark skin and achieved the same things Naija people would love him the same.

Why are you guys not focusing on the more troubling issue of the decline of quality players coming from Nigeria?

Amodu is no coach and Lagerback might not be much better (we are gonna find out soon) but the bigger issue here points to the decline of quality players coming out of Naija

otokx:
Most Nigerians are in a permanent state of self deception and its a fact. The whole idea of the world cup is to go for points and 3 points at that per game. There is no need playing well and loosing all your matches as NIGERIA is going to do. We have just giving out our National resource to a white man who is not sincere and until we look inwards we shall continue groping in the dark.

We don dey grope for darkness for a while in most things. No be Largerbeer fault

Anyways what do you guys think would have been the result if Naija had Diego Maradonna as coach and the Argies had Lagerback?