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obadiah777: yes you are right. all angels worship him because he is the arch-angel. he is their leader. you do err. nowhere in that verse did it mention micheal worship jesus. your own vain opinions

So the leader of the angels now deserves worship? And here I was thinking worship only belongs to God.

italo: The only tradition I have always lived my life by is the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church.

That is why I will have only one wife.

That is why I dont see any human being as an "out cast."

That is why I do not worship Amadioha or any of the other gods.

As a Catholic, I have great respect for our African Tradition and am free to practise it except where it conflicts with Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church also has great respect for traditional marriage and the values it has...but not at the expense of Church marriage.

You've said it all.

robian1: many people especially Protestants claim that they left the Catholic church because it is evil and their doctrine is evil. my aunt recently left the catholic church after years of being a strong Catholic and follower of father Mbaka!!! me as a Catholic I strongly believe that there's nothing wrong with our doctrine! what's your take?

No is the answer. As they are leaving, others are coming in to take their place. We welcome almost ten new members in our church today.

If you ask for my personal opinion, I will say traditional marriage is the most important but if you belong to a kingdom, try to conform to the principles of the kingdom where you belong. That is to say , if you belong to a church and they said you must be wedded in the church for you to be accepted as truly married, you have to adhere to their principles.

italo: To the ladies that are saying traditional marriage is more important for Christians, I have a question:

If you and I have a traditional marriage, would I be free to marry other women as our traditions clearly allow? Or will you suddenly remember that THE BIBLE says one man, one wife?

Your question is a very important one here. But come to think of it did the bible explicitly condemn polygamy for all?

italo: Wetin be traditional marriage. Until I'm wedded before the altar of the almighty God by a Catholic Priest, I will consider myself a single man.

Haa bros is this your personal opinion?

@ Mescopaul.
If you are talking about the institution not folding their hands, then you are right but the issue here is you are suggesting that the best option is to do away with celibacy and that's the reason for this thread.

Now if you talk about the institution not folding their hands, they can choose to go about it in any way they deem fit.

I hope you won't mind me bring in another instance........
If a school offering "Use of English" as a compulsory GS course discovers that most students have been failing the course, should the best option be to scrap off that course in other to ensure they don't witness failure again?.

Mescopaul: No bring that leg at all.

Should I take this to mean u've accepted the fact that am right or should I wait for you to prove me wrong?.

Mescopaul: Though it may seem am drifting but i still think the denomination should see reason.
In your light that "the blame should go to the persons involved and not the institution", there's still a dark spot there, if the institution close their eyes claiming that they are not to blame, that means we would have a bunch of corrupt, immoral, and defiled Priests that come to deliver lukewarm and stale sermons. To this effect what do you think?

Brother I strongly believe u've already fully come to term with the reality here but you feel like draging the issue further. The massage is clear, if you can't remain celibate ; don't join the priesthood. You only think about those who go contrary to the rule, but I tell you, some priest also joined the priesthood because of this same rule of celibacy. In your consideration, you completely forgot such people.

Like I said before, it doesn't make "MUCH" difference to me if they are allowed to get married. But trust me even if such happens, there will always be the "black sheep" yes there will always be just like there are among married pastors (I know you will frown at this but that's the truth). And then we still end up having some defiled priests coming to deliver lukewarm gospel just like we presently have defiled married pastors delivering stale sermon.

Now you can see, doing away with celibacy cannot do away with illicit sex among men of God.
Off to church, to continue when am back. Good morning.

bolaino: My journey towards self actualization has taken me to different paths, in my quest for a better understanding of the problems of mankind, I have read lots of books and practiced one or two religions, but after a while I later believed all religions were the same, and that really there was no concrete evidence for the existence of a supreme being God,

And being in the health care sector, and seeing all sorts of innocent people suffering and dying from different diseases, I believed that there was no God, cos if there was a God, he would help the innocent people, this and other reasons, pushed me into atheism/agnosticism, And to make matters worse the christian community were giving me more reasons not to believe in their God, cos after careful study and research of the bible, I discovered like many atheists that the bible is a book filled with contradictions and errors, and at such should not be taken seriously.

But to cut the long story short, for the past few months I have seen the hand of God in my life, (I'm sorry muskeetoo, logicboy and all my good atheist friends on here) the lord has shown me his mercies in ways I could never imagine, he has favored and blessed me unimaginably, even when he/she/it (I don't know what gender God is) knows about my atheistic views and how I have mocked the Gods in the bible and quran, but still the lord has been faithful,

As from this moment, I rededicate my life to God, I renounce atheism and agnosticism, I embrace God, and I welcome him into my life,

Atheism is not bad, cos I believe that God created us to be inquisitive, and atheism is as a result of Man's inquisitive nature, and I urge my atheist brothers everywhere, to continue being critics of religion and God, one day he/she/it, will reveal himself/herself/itself to you, I am not saying I belong to any religion right now, I still think christianity sucks, but I now believe in God, I believe God shapes our destinies and makes things happen to fit his reasons, and God knows best, I will no longer write or make statements to insult any God of any religion, be it obadiah's armageddon God or logicboy's flying spaghetti monster, lol. I am now a new man,

I hope my atheist brothers do not find this disappointing, but this is a personal decision that I have come to after careful reasoning, I love you guys, muskeetooo, logicboy, plaethon, ooman, wiegraf, folykaze, ifeness, pagan9ja, etc, u guys are wonderful people, keep the atheism flag flying and I pray that your quest for knowledge would lead you to the realization of the existence of God.

NAMASTE!!!

I quite understand that which compelled you to turn agnostic or atheist in the first place. But can't really understand your reason for the present revert. Nevertheless I thank God for your soul, atleast you now acknowledge the fact that a supreme being controls your life. You don't necessarily have to belong to any organised religion.

Mescopaul: True married men do so..., now ans dis " Did married men pledge celibacy?"

The issue is that Rev Fathers should not and never do it because " by being a priest they've pledged celibacy for the rest of their lives". Got it?? ?

No married men didn't take the vow of celibacy but they took that of fidelity. If they become unfaithful to their wives then they've broken the vow of fidelity by committing adultery.

The similarity between them and the priest who broke his vow of celibacy?.......
They made vows and turn around to break them. Hope you get that now.

Mescopaul: For Christ's sake celibacy is a personal decision, Why would someone take a decision that he/she wont be able to maintain in the long run? While celibacy on one hand is supposed to eradicate illicit sex, its better on the other hand to marry and keep away from adultery. If Roman Catholic priests were not celibate , i dnt think this thread would ever have been in existence.

I believe that 6 out of every 10 is guilty, am saying from real experience, my dad was a mass server and he could sit you down for hours telling of the insincerity of these priests.


Thank God he was delivered from the hands of the Roman Catholics and had not bcom a Rev Father, if not were "my humble self 4 dey nw"

Now you are beginning to get my drift even though you don't want to admit that and now it seems we are almost saying thesame thing. Celibacy like you rightly said, is a personal thing and by choosing the priesthood these Rev Fathers personally chose to remain celibate. Now if at the long run they fail to keep or uphold the vows they made, then the blame should go to them not the institution.

Now let me get a bit personal here, when I was much younger, I seriously considered being a religious but two things debarred me. I realised I have this fondness for the medical profession and also this desire to always have children with me. And as at that time I never came across a religious who is also in the medical field so I took it that it was impossible to be a religious and a medical practitioner at thesame time. Again I know being a religious also debar you from having children ( not necessarily giving birth to them yourself but even adopting them).
I decided to forfeit one in other to achieve the other two instead of the other way round. Now I discovered my thoughts then were partially wrong, because I have friends and relatives who are religious and also medical practitioners. But the deed has been done.
Now looking at the above in the light of the topic at hand , it would be silly if I had taken the religious vow and then set out and start giving birth to children or adopting them against the rule of the church. If I do so , I should be blamed; not the church.

Your statistics of six out of every ten priest breaking their vow of celibacy is your thought not a proven fact and also a case of hearsay so am not dwelling on that.
Finally if to say your papa become 'Fada' dey for no born you. Lol. But never mind, he wasn't called to the priesthood. God knew you were supposed to come into the world through your father, so your birth wasn't by accident.

Mescopaul: Celibacy doesn't take people to hell, thats true but cant you see that it has lead many to commit sin and pls remember this topic is wholely focused on Rev Fathers of the Catholic Church and not all and sundry. As long as Rev Fathers that are supposed to be celibate are not adhering to it and hence are committing all sorts of immorallity then i really think the Authorities of the church should take a bold step in annulling it completely.

I understand where you are coming from but I want ask ...

Did you take the statistic of these erring priests as against the total number of priests before opening this thread?
Do you think doing away with celibacy will eradicate illicit sex in the world, or better still among the men of God?

Yes this topic might be for priests and celibacy but that doesn't mean we will not bring in useful instances when necessary.
Again you seem to think every priest is guilty of not adhering to the rule of celibacy but that can't be true.

Mescopaul: That onnet scuffle is uncalled for, remember "follow peace with all men.."

Sorry I ignored him even before you noticed, am equally not ready to exchange words that are not beneficial to anyone.

@ Mescopaul I did not generalise, I used many not 'all'

It will look myopic if I choose my instances from the catholic rule alone, so I decided to choose that which affects every believer.

I don't quite get what you are trying to say on the issue of adherence or scraping off, but one thing is certain " it is easy to make rule but not so easy to get everyone to adhere to it" be it within the confines of religion or outside it.

Celibacy doesn't take people to hell rather non-conformity to it on the part of those who are under the obligation to be celibate takes them to hell.

Ray McBlue: Lol!

Just like I said...a mere teen. You always know one from the immature way they organise their sentences.

If you think you can drag me into your war of words through these childish pranks, you met the wrong person.

Try posting objectively when you grow up.

Ray McBlue: I don't expect you to agree or even initiate any reasonable argument on the matter. You struck me as a kid and you post like one too, no offense.

I see, you came to argue? Sorry for your loss. You weren't being reasonable in the first place so engaging you is a waste of time.

Ray McBlue: What do you mean?

There is a primal need for man to fornicate. It's not only exclusive to homo sapiens but to all the animal kingdom in general. Trying to suppress the urge is practically impossible.

All those Roman Catholic Padres pretending celibacy are secret and habitual masturbators, no offense.

I hardly take offence when people air their view on issue even if I don't agree with their views.

Are you a catholic priest or were you once one to warrant you making such ^ comment?.

I also know it is difficult to convince a s*exmaniac that its possible to be celibate.
Perhaps you are writing from just your experience.

lacum: exactly whats on my mind. thanks

Thanks and a fine morning to you.

Ray McBlue: No matter what you do, you are incapable of hoodwinking nature. Nature dictates that MAN MUST HAVE SEX, and anybody that tries to go contrary to the formula by pretending celibacy is only deceiving himself.

You can't be serious.

Mescopaul: To this effect it seems the system has lost its value and is good for nothing but to be cast down and throdden under feet.

Its not fit to be a system if its standards are difficult for its members to carry out.

Stealing is a sin according to the scriptures yet many christians steal in one way or the other. Should we scrap off the commandment "thou shall not steal" because it is difficult for some people to keep?

Personally it doesn't make much difference to me weather celibacy is scraped off or retained but few people not being able to maintain a standard shouldn't be the reason why such standard should be compromised or such rules scrapped off.

Evil Brain: I used to be an atheist long ago until the Lord showed me the truth and I was saved. He took me up to heaven and I beheld the wonders within.

I saw many wondrous things there, not just nåked women. And I said most of the women were nãked, not all. Many of them were wearing G-strings and high heels, with no bra.

I can't help but laugh at this your heavenly journey.

lacum: my guy am fine just dat i only post when i c comments dat irritate me so much. apart from dat, i just read and laugh

I see. *greetings*

Mescopaul: Its true that noone was forced but making it a standard was never initiated by Christ or anyone, hence it has acted like a cage for those whose primary purpose was celibacy but was forced by nature and since it's a no going back process it has led to sin unto them. Any religion or denomination that cages its pastors or members and make them prone to sin is not acceptable to God. The bible said that whosoever that will cause these little ones to stumble is not fit for the kingdom. Priesthood though not a must has acted like a cage to those involved , .

Am not good at repeating myself to someone who continue to run round thesame circle. They are many capacities or areas where people can serve God not just the priesthood. Why would you intentionally take a vow when you are not ready to keep to it?

We all know that school is place of learning and once you enter, you are expected to study hard. But you are making it look like it is right for one to go to school when he is not ready to study.
If you are not ready to study, don't waste your time going to school. In thesame way, if you don't want to be celibate, don't join the priesthood.

The blame shouldn't go to the system but to the person who broke his vow.

marvelling: Your head they there! But i suggest we put pressure on mlscn to certify us for practice. Physiologists can function as histopathologists as far as diagnosis is the aim. Mdcn Will never entertain such plea because of their ego. Any other "professional body" without a charter can never achieve anything or influence events in favor of her members. Our best bet is mlscn, we need to prevail on them to train and license us for practice. #SHIKENA

Physiologists function as histopathologists you say? Believe me the histopathologists under MLS are still puppets in the hands of pathologists. They are yet to gain their own ground let alone accommodate others.

I truly wish these issues be properly addressed in Nigeria

Mescopaul: Bible never said it should be made a rule anywhere that men shouldn't marry. For this denomination to take up that standard was a misconception of what Paul said about marriage. He was saying that its better to remain unmarried not that any should make it a standard, that was why he also said that if the person cannot bear it , its better to marry than commit fornication. Leave the married fallen pastors for God to judge, but why should a religion cage its pastors all in the name of celibacy? If they truly want to practice it then they should stay away from fornication. Who are they deceiving? Shallom!

I should leave fallen pastors for God to judge? I never judged anyone rather you are the one trying to judge.

Paul's massage was clear" he who marries does well but he who did not, does even better" but mind you I never quoted paul before now, instead I quoted the words of christ himself.

Again celibacy was not imposed on anybody, instead people choose celibacy by choosing the priesthood. I still maintain that nobody was forced into priesthood.

Its not for everyone but only for those who are willing.

Mescopaul: Think u should check out my response to Lacum

Are you deliberately displaying this double standard?. Are you telling me it's impossible for one to decide and live a celibate life? The last time I checked nobody was forced into priesthood. And they very well know the rules before joining. Both the pastor who commited adultery and priest who did not keep to his vow of celibacy simply decided to do what they know is wrong.

Again can you tell me what you meant by misconception of the bible?

Ajibam: Lol...nairaland atheist are funny naw
1.They have denominations
2.They believe extraterrestrial God
E.t.c...

I don't believe most of these professing to be atheists on this forum are truly atheists. They just claim to be atheists here for the fun of it.

Evil Brain: No, I'm dead serious.

If you are a woman and you want to make heaven, the only way is to take your clothes off slowly and walk around the way God made you. Preferably with an R Kelly song playing in the background.

Hell is real. Don't joke with your eternity.

You, an atheist( correct me if am wrong) suddenly saw heaven and believed? That sounds more like sarcasm to me.

Again you saw only naked women there? Smh.

Evil Brain: I've seen heaven. All the women there were either in heels and G-strings, or wore nothing at all.

Those who clung to their sin and insisted on wearing clothes were roasting in hell fire. It was terrible!

You women need to repent and take those clothes off (slowly please, don’t rush it). Its the only way to make heaven.

Sarcasm I suppose.

Reyginus: Are you a demon or what? What's wrong with you? Like you detest peace.

He doesn't detest peace, he seems to be catching morning fun.