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Ndu, you never fail, Lol. Anyways, I wasn't referring to you, but at any rate we all still know you make shallow argument whenever you see folks threatening your grandfather's estate. However, your threats don't bother me because the fate of Nigeria is irrevocably sealed and you know why. |
For the fella who said confederation and regionalism is retrogressive, hope you go through ndu_chuks posts and see how shallow your argument is. |
tensor777: Loads of strawmen arguments in your post Ikenna but I will try and address the main issues you raised and not follow you chasing straws.Nwanne, your points are irredeemably shallow. At this point there's no gain in engaging you anymore. Any Nigerian who opens his mouth to say Nigeria is non-negotiable, that confederation or regionalism is retrogressive, and that the problem of Nigeria stems from SE's myopic and dysfunctional leadership is not worth a cent. For that I shall pay you no mind. However, if you care to know the answers to your hollow questions feel free to check the link below, its a back-and-forth between ndu_chuks and I on issues pertaining to this empty casket you call giant of Africa. https://www.nairaland.com/883858/ndu_chuks-question |
tensor777: Actually I don't think regionalism is the way to go Ndukwe.Dude you're a joke. Really? So Nigeria's problem is now because SE has myopic and dysfunctional leadership? I guess this is a new one. The same SE that lost over 20% of their population in the civil war you declared on them because they dared to live on their own. Bro, go check yourself ok. Even the most unrepentant hater of SE would never say the problem with Nigeria stems from myopic SE leadership. You really need help, seriously. Anyways, I will announce to you that One-Nigeria can run but it will soon get tired. Since 1970 the argument in favor of One-Nigeria has been exponentially losing steam. I advise that you start asking yourself how it will pan out for you should the inevitable happens. Intimidation, treason tag, un-patriot tag, and all other tags that used to work before won't cut it anymore because folks are fed up big time and I'm one of them. Believe it or not we're leaving you, if not for anything, at least to keep our myopic and dysfunctional leadership so you don't have to worry about it. No hard feelings, I'm just about to cash my right to self-determination. On another note, Sweetcheeks - you're killing it. I wrote this in one of my earlier posts - I dared these loudmouths who always want to play African gods to let any African country hear their baseless "God bequeath us with African leadership" delusions of grandeur. And its refreshing to see that you heard and got them served. Its a joke and utterly insulting to see a man who cannot put his yams in the barn telling another man that has a near-ordered barn how to do it. 53 years since this "African leadership role" craziness started we've not been able to put a suck on any national leakage. We can't count ourselves, we can't give employment, no security, no pipe-borne water, no decent health care, no top university, 10 million almajiris, can't have credible election, can't stop polio when the rest of Africa has, can't check our entry points to stop islamists trooping in and bringing arms on camel-backs because some sections are in cahoots, can't diversify economy because some sections would kill to keep the oil flowing, can't have a uniform unity school cut-off point because some sections can't make the grade yet they demand the leadership by force. Where do I start fellas - is it security. We're already dead in our country. Boko haram is busy icing the cake their fathers baked in 1945. America just said 100m Nigerians are destitute and these jokers want us to believe that is leadership. We have introduced trans-Atlantic terrorism in Africa, we have rubbished Africa in no small measure yet instead of seeing where we're headed some folks would rather bury their heads in the sand and hold unto a useless and baseless illusion of leadership and size that have become a co-join nightmare. Everyone in Nigeria owes more allegiance to his/her ethnic group or zone than Nigeria. If we owed supreme allegiance to Nigeria, if we cared about Nigeria, if we cared about each other, if we really did then Abiola would be alive today, IBB would not have embezzled $12b, OBJ would have made a go for third term, Akaluka's head would be on his neck today, Oluwatosin would be with her daughter today, Odi would be alive and well, Zaki biam would not be leveled, NYSC boys and girls murdered in 2011 post election violence would not have happened, Awo would have been a president, Nigeria-Biafran war would not have been fought, Sharia and the associated crisis would have been averted, MEND, OPC, MASSOB, MOSSOP, EGBESU, ANSARU, Boko Haram, and other harams would be with us today, my fathers would not have received 20 pounds after the war, Niger delta would controlling their oil, 10 million alamajiris would be in school, Fulani would not be exterminating Beroms before our eyes, Hausa-Fulani would give people of Southern Kaduna some breather - if we cared and loved this nation those and more would not have happened. Many if not all happened because we're different. So, One-Nigerianists its time to get on with the program and cut the BS. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks]I'm afraid that most Nigerians do not share your views above, and no serious group is suggesting spliting the country within the constitutional review process or the national conference process. I agree with you that the status quo is unacceptable, but I believe that a step towards 3 - 6 regions or states, is safer and would be less bloody. No one wants to fight the civil war all over again, or start new wars which could kill millions more Nigerians.[/quote]You're right, no one wants another civil war. We lost 20% of our population in the first one and that's enough to make any sane person lose faith in this project that claims it wants us. And to see that, even as we speak, the same kind of violent provocation is going on in the core north today with fellow Nigerians bellowing in the air and rising as smoke is depressing. Its depressing to me yet you preach that I should help change it when you haven't been able to rein in on your brothers to stop the carnage - a carnage that started in 1945. If you can't stop the carnage who will? I'm fed up buddy. Its time for us to pursue our individual interests. If yours is One-Nigeria then good luck. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks]Some people are telling you not to expect sensible responses to your questions because they believe that opinions which differ from theirs are nont sensible and inferior, and I think you should ignore such small minds. I share your very reasonable concerns but I disagree that our problems are due to high population. The federal allocation to some states is much more than many countries' GDPs, yet these states are not developed. I think the main problem with us, especially those abroad, is laziness and selfishness. We need people like you who have been to the other side to come home and show us how things should be done and participate fully in the developnment of this country. You cannot split the country up and repopulate the new 'countries' with people other than Nigerians. Think about it.[/quote]ndu, give it a rest buddy. We're sane human beings so we know what we want. If you split the nation today South West will have a nation that, at its core, has a Yoruba outlook, national ideology, cultural similarity, and a blend of Yoruba/British/American government and educational system - I could be wrong for the simple fact that I'm not one of them. I don't assume to know what their system will look like unlike One-Nigerianists that assume to know what everyone wants. As for Umuigbo ndi m n'eji eme onu, we know what we want which is a system of egbe bere ugo bere, a system of onye ahala nwanne ya, and a system of onye hu uzo oma ya zi nwanne ya. We shall blend our traditional democracy, values, and ideals with what I call reciprocatary foreign policy and anchor it in an export oriented economy. We shall have no business with wahabi or any extremist religion or cult. And any of our citizens that ventures into lands known to be religious hotbeds do so at his/her own peril. Our education shall not be free. It shall be paid for by responsible parents - so no free lunch for men and women who do not want to get some sleep at night. Lest I forget - no quota system and no unity cut-off sham. You either make the grade or look for a trade. Did I forget that we will put an end to this - Igbo shall not be president, I am born to rule, we shall dip the koran into the ocean, and other nonsensical utterances that I hear everyday. Most importantly, we shall not be threatened again with pogrom or genocide neither shall we be part of OIC and its derivatives. I want a pure secular country where no special laws apply. I want to live my life without insulting other people's sensibilities neither do I want them to insult mine. I don't have to be nervous for my brothers when a mere cartoon is drawn in far away Denmark or when some loses an election. We shall put an end to this NYSC idiocy that has been taken the lives our well trained and bright youngsters. Ndu, those and more are what I will enjoy in a free Igbo nation, tell me what yours will be - I'm interested. |
tensor777: It is still very difficult for you and others in your position to grasp that elusive concept as to what it means to be a Nigerian.Wow! For real? We can't even do a simple headcount since 1960 - something one Ugandan minister used as a jab few years ago - remember? Most of us haven't forgotten how the Nigerian ambassador to Uganda lodged a complaint after one Ugandan minister asked if his country had become Nigeria that couldn't count how many they were. And you call that "lead Africa and Black race?" Lead Africa - like have an international passport that instantly subjects you to untold human indignity. Well, I'll accept if by leadership you mean lead in polio, illiteracy, terrorism, almajirism, extremism, tribalism, and all other negative isms. Its an insult to say Nigeria leads in anything positive or worth copying by other Africans. Try say that to a Ghanaian or South African, or even someone from Benin Republic, Niger, Equatorial Guinea, Gambia - you know, people from small African countries. In case some folks missed the bus, Nigeria peaked between 1957 and 1963. From 1963 we've been going downhill and in 1966 it accelerated. Today we're just simply stuck - no movement whether in the forward or backward direction and you call that hope and leadership? Its funny when you ask people what Nigeria problem is and the first thing you hear is "corruption!" I know I extensively wrote on this issue before and perhaps its relevant that say it again - Nigeria's problem is never corruption. People who mistook it for corruption in the beginning did so at their peril - we know how that ended. Our problem comes from our un-detachable adhesion and undiluted loyalty to our respective ethnic groups. This same problem happens in all ethnically diverse nations so Nigeria is not unique. However, the reason ours is very deadly and highly retrogressive as well as eternally counter productive is because we have three big major ethnic groups that cannot influence each other so as to effect a single and clear national direction. In the US Blacks see things from African American angle just as whites see things from their own standpoint. The only saving-grace is that Whites outnumber Blacks and Hispanics and, therefore, can decide the direction of the country. Just wait in the next 50 years when Hispanic population catches up with Caucasians' and you'd be shocked how unlivable America might become. Fellas, have we forgotten how GEJ's pilgrimage to Israel riled up many folks in the north, even GEJ's recent indisposition united many in the core-northern enclave. We saw how they prayed for GEJ's death, didn't we? Tell me it had nothing to do with ethnicity. Or have we forgotten how forceful OIC membership aggravated southern Christians? What about Sharia? What about Oduah's case - both for and against - tell me ethnicity didn't play a major role? think about all the arms Lebanese people have been stocking up in the north, oh you think many high caliber northerners, both military and civilians, didn't know it was happening? You think it had nothing to do with ethnicity and religion? Don't forget those Lebanese pilled up those arms during military era. Common people! What about post election violence, killings in Jos, born to rule ideology - you think they had nothing to do with one ethnic group wanting to clear the other from their natural domain? Nothing is done in Nigeria that is not done with regards to where you come from provided the power or directive comes from Abuja, thats just the simple fact and the earlier we realized the different components of this nation are and will always be like oil and water the better for us. And for people who're defending their grandfather's estate I ask - how many more souls shall we kill in the name of defending this estate for? Tell us. tensor777: But there will never ever be, nor could there ever be such a disintegration. The unity and sovereignty of Nigeria is absolutely, completely and irrevocably non-negotiable.The quote above is simply laughable. Basically you're saying you own me, you own my right to stay or opt out, you own any group that wants out - really? This is a joke because sooner or later you'll realized no one scammed you but you. Usurping another man's right is a declaration of war - who knows, perhaps you're ready for another one. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks]Haba!! You of all people should continue to acknowledge my courteous responses to folks like you. I never curse people who do not curse first, and only as a last resort. You may want to refresh my memory on the 3 questions you are referring to. Let me aforewarn you that i do not respond to irrelevant or useless questions. For me, more important questions which beg for answers include: (1)Why are you people afraid of democracy and refuse to fully participate in it, in Nigeria? (2)The fact that your fathers and grandfathers failed does not mean that you should not try your own best to make this country a success; why have you people refused to try? (3)Assuming you get your own 'country', you'll have to practive some form of government; why have you not aggressively pursued that form or proposed modifications to our current systenm, using the democratic process in place? You can start with these very simple questions.[/quote]ndu nwanne, you're good at flipping the script. Ride on bro, but I will not like to change or derail the debate by swerving towards you. I will keep it straight ok. I believe you read most of the posts before you went on One-Nigeria overdrive so don't be sleek with me. You know the questions, answer them. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks]The sad truth is that, the most 'vocal' nairalanders on the issue of separation are unserious, lazy, toothless, impotent, and for the most part do not believe in democracy. As a matter of fact, many of them are closet communists as can be deciphered from their posts by discerning minds. We have an ongoing constitutional review process where there have been ample opportunities for these loudmouths to make submissions and put their resources, if they have any tangible ones, towards promoting what they purportedly believe in. Yet, these people have made no such submission. GEJ has also setup a national conference, albeit a seemingly deceitful one, but the same loud mouths are yet to be heard from, except here on nairaland where their tantrums have the least amount of effect. I have news for you people, dogon turenchi, or cyber tantrums will never get this country split up. You have to first come up with a plan to checkmate the "owners of nigeria", who will fight you to the end, to keep Nigeria one, before you will come close to achieving your aim. It is understandable that hopeless diaspora residents would not mind if another 2 million people die as long as it gives them some sort of hope of escaping the slavery they find themselves in. The good news is, Insha Allah, our country will wiggle her way through the current growing pains, and we shall become great once again, with or without you people. Mr. Gull can relate to what I am saying. If shymmex, DerideGull, Sam_Ikenna and most others, who are calling for disintegration of this great country do not live abroiad, then my name is not ndu_chucks (aka Nduka Chukwunenye)[/quote]ndu nwanne, I enjoy reading your posts because you seem to speak from a hardened and unrepentant desire to keep this estate of Dan fodio, Nigeria, going or should I say limping as its been doing since its inception. But you have to accept though that some people do not enjoy limping. They'd rather walk or run if they could. Well, since you decided to join the debate I expect you have the answers to the 3 nagging questions posed by the gentleman. By the way, I've prepared my mind for your usual mud-slinging and curses whenever the unity of your grandfather's estate is threatened. |
[quote author=nnenna.1]Or maybe Imolites are more inclined to pursue higher education. Too many variables to be certain.[/quote]Maybe. But when you consider that both states are the same people you can be sure that, to some extent, we can hold those variables constant and make a good guess. Also my belief is borne from the fact that Imo and Anambra are relatively equal in academic pursuit. None out-schools the other, therefore Imo has to be slightly bigger in population. If you have the time to check out the useless stats in Nigeria, wherever you find Imo you find Anambara. Or you see Anambara you must find Imo. |
No one can say for sure. The census in Nigeria is useless so there's no reliable data on population distribution. But if I have to guess I would say Imo. The reason is because for over 15 years Imo state has consistently had more school enrollment. Therefore, given that Imo and Anambara are the same people with almost the same approach to human endeavors, it is wise to say that the state with more school kids is the state with more population. |
DerideGull: In addition to the example you have already cited with India, it must be recall that India has gone through initial disintegration which saw India and Pakistan as different countries. I am sure that India is not yet done with disintegration and I wonder why such idea is a taboo in Nigeria.Bro looks like you forgot, India split into 3: Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India. |
Lol, I've been waiting for someone to answer what Nigerian identity is. I guess I might as well forget it because it doesn't look like it exists. Its a shame we've killing and attacking each other for eons without properly looking at other alternatives that are capable of serving our interests in a much more humane, peaceful, and less tribalistic ways. Its true that many Nigerians on the street don't give a hoot about separation. But its also true they don't do so because of their daily struggle to put food on the table. I admire Nigerians a lot, I do. I think they must be one of the toughest and smartest people on this planet. Unfortunately they're in an impossible nation tinkered together by the colonialist, and held together by petro-dollar, mutual hate, and eternal suspicion. A nation like ours cannot work, its just can't. I respect those who feel different and I wished they were right. But in the end we gonna have to agree that when 3 major ethnic nations of equal sizes are put together - 3 major blocks with sharp differences on how and where a nation should be - then I'd say we're lucky we haven't reduced everything to a rubble - I forgot we did that in 1967 and still doing that now. Its shameful to see the near-unlimited individual potentials of the blocks that make up the nation being delayed, or even destroyed in some cases. Some say our size is our gain but how does that bring back those who're six feet under due to unending ethnic and religious bloodletting? And even if we're to buy the size thing, what about countries like Luxembourg, Finland, Austria, etc? In fact the size of Igbo, Hausa, or Yoruba is about the size of South Africa yet SA's economy is bigger than ours. Fellas what good is your size if you can't use it right? Nigeria is simply a tricycle that has all its three tires moving in different directions. I believe we need a new and mutually agreed direction or, for the love of God, lets disembark from this tricycle and, perhaps, use a simple bike, trek or do whatever we think can get us from point A to B. Time is gold and we have already killed millions, pauperized many, wasted 50 years on this silly Nigerian project. We would have done irreparable damage to ourselves and the Black race if we wasted another 50 years on a project no one has been able to define its mission or identity. |
Afam4eva: From my understanding, an OSU is a descendant of those that were sacrificed to the gods and the only way you'll know an Osu is if you're told. It's not written on the forehead. I've never seen an Osu in my life and invariably have not seen the discrimination people keep talking about. Though i heard there are communities that are wholly Osu people.Bro I don't think you're entirely correct. I have asked that question and have delved deep into Igbo culture and history and I can say that the emergence of out-castes in Igboland, even though very minuscule, is a complex one and most often had a lot to do with people who were either heavily indebted or in existential danger and, voluntarily, had to seek protection in many dreaded shrines that spanned the land in those dark ages. You can see it as filing for bankruptcy kind of thing. The only problem is that once you fail to bail yourself out and seek the protection of community gods/shrines people in the community see you as someone belonging to the dreaded god. They give you a huge space and, alas! you don't need protection anymore. But it turns out you're stuck. However, because Igbos are generally competitive and would avoid shame by all means, folks chose to pay their debt, did their thing, and stayed away from being the property of the gods. So, when you say "sacrifice," I say its kind of close but not exact. Anyway, who knows. Perhaps other communities had different routes they used to get to the same system. However, at the end of the day Christianity has destroyed the practice just as it destroyed polygamy in Igboland and what's left of the practice has been abolished and the population of Osu is perhaps a thousandth of a percent of Igbo population and I'm really happy for that. |
Nice convo. Would like to see more views both for and against. Any how, I wrote a piece two days ago on this thread and got banned by antispambot or whatever it's called. Mod maybe you can tell me why. |
Interesting story, I admire the gentleman. Though I would say this - patriotism cannot and will never be for sale. It comes from the inner chamber of a man's heart where his soul finds love, peace, camaraderie, and courage to do tasks for the fatherland. It can make a man walk into the unknown and defy the very worst. Its a reason men freely lay down their lives for their fatherland. Patriotism! Patriotism is arguably more powerful than religion. It trumps ethnicity, it beats negligence and stupidity, it shatters mediocrity, it upholds fairness, and it lights the fire of competitiveness in countrymen and women alike. It pushes us to go over and above to avoid defeat lest we bring shame to the land we love. patriotism is the reason a man would leave his newly wedded queen for a life in the trenches. Can anyone divorce patriotism from a nation? Is it possible? The nation dies when patriotism dies just as patriotism dies when the nation dies. Both are inseparable. In our hearts we wished Nigeria was better. Not just better in terms of physical structures, after all what are those - are they not mere structures that collapse from time to time? are they not things that we can build whenever we want to? - that's not what a better nation entirely entails. A better country is a country that gives not some but all citizens a sense of belonging. You just can't describe but somehow you know feel something that imbues in you a sense of pride and justice and you'd be dam.ned if anyone crosses your nation. The reason small nations like Iran challenge big and powerful countries like The US is not because they can win the battle, its because of the amount of pride they have in Iran - that right there is patriotism, like it or not. And I know without any doubt that the same amount of pride in Iranians, the same thing that makes them challenge 'almighty' US is also in all Nigerians. We posses it like the Iranians and my guess is that, perhaps, we have it more - we just have it for our respective ethnic nationalities, not for Nigeria. The reason we don't have it for Nigeria is because our nation died a long time ago. We've just been in denial about it. We might get it back if and only if Nigeria gets restructured such that all regional groupings take total control of their resource and political destiny - wherever it leads them. But for as long as many of us can't worship, live freely, and pursue our dreams to the fullest extent of our desires, for as long as we have this unstable combustible mixture of radical political Islam with 10 million almajiris waiting in the corner to be used as tools, for as long as we have and maintain this age-long ethnic zero-sum slug-fest, for as long as we refuse to level the field, conduct a clean census, destroy the unity school cut-off sham, accept each-other as equals, kill born to rule ideology, and return land and the resources therein to the owners, then we might as well stop worrying about patriotism and accept that Nigeria has peaked. What we should be asking is how hard the fall is likely to be. But who knows, the National Conference might do the magic. I hope it does. |
[quote author=Jingo-OAU]The day Stella Oduah lost her respect is the day she called my dad and hurled whole damn curses on him in my presence just because the man highlighted what to be done in aviation. If by counting, my dad was the first aeronautical engineer in Nigeria and he was the first Nigerian to be an inspector in the accident investigation dept since 1968. If someone with so much experience could be insulted just because he offered his advice to the minister, its all glaring that the minister actually goofed. Anyway, whether she's indicted or not, all I know is dat nobody can insult my ethnic group, and I make bold to say that the Yorubas which am part of, are the most foolish and useless of all the ethnic groups I've ever seen in Nigeria. Whenever any Hausa and Igbo person is in a position of authority, they recruit their people enmass so that they can have leverage on others irrespective of their educational attainment. An average Yoruba person will always want to foolow due process by following laid down rules and regulations. In 1995, my dad and Dr Demuren, the former DG of NCAA were sent to Canada to represent Nigeria on ICAO floor not knowing that their sack letters was waiting for them for no just cause. The two of them were forcefully retired because they refuse to share in the 6billion fraud under their nose and Abacha forcefully sacked them with no entitlement. This stark experience later changed Dr Demuren's orientation to the effect that when he was eventually appointed as the DG sometimes around 2007, he also starch some funds for himself and his family and make use of his allowance which he later used to establish the evergreen company. In a nutshell, if you find yourself in any position, kindly make use of it by embezzling as much as your whole community needed so that they wouldn't start cursing u if u leave the position. This is the exact trademark of an average Igbo man[/quote]Below is Femi Fani Kayode's response to ur statement above: [b]More importantly I gave more sons and daughters of Ife and indeed Osun state indigenees more jobs in the various parastatals of Aviation and Culture and Tourism when I was Minister in both than ANY other Minister in the history of our country. If you doubt that go and ask the people and the families from Osun that benefitted or the Ooni of Ife himself and the local and political leaders of that ancient community who were all fully aware. I gave those young men amd women those senior managerial jobs only because they were encouraged to apply for them and they were well qualified for them and I have no regrets about doing so. As a matter of fact I was very proud of doing so because some of them had not worked for years or since they left university. I made so many efforts for those from my ''home region'' that in 2008 the Senator Anyim Ude-led Senate Aviation Commitee on Aviation wanted to ban me from public office for 5 years simply because I put ''too many yoruba people in the aviation parastatals'' [/b] |
bloggernaija: Prof. Chinua Achebe got it all wrong from the title of his latest infamous book “There Was A Country”, right down to the contents. This has expectedly generated a lot of controversies capable of dividing us more than it will unite us. If the foundation is crooked, what should we expect of the structure put atop it? Papa Achebe apparently is still getting carried away by his dream of Biafra so much that he forgot that Biafra is a country that never was.After looking at the emboldened above please do us a favor and tell us where your own heart lie as you take us to "school." Its not enough to lampoon Achebe and belittle his body of work because he took a shot at your 'beloved.' Every human belongs to a 'side' no matter how objective and saintly he claims. So, since its ok to dismiss Achebe's war account because he was a 'Biafran,' we would like to know your own side of the divide - Nigeria or Biafra? And when you're done, tell us why we should believe your story given the side you belong to. Most of the war players said their piece before they went six feet under so what is it that Achebe said about Awo that Awo didnt implicitly or explicitly corroborate when he was alive. Did Awo not say all is fair in warfare? Starvation is a weapon of warfare? Did he deny the 20 pounds policy? I remember one documentary on Sadam and the Iraqi Kurds in which Iraqis were praising and exonerating Sadam on the chemical attack on the Kurds. They praised their leader and blamed the attack on Iranians. However, when the camera beams on the Kurdish side you get a feeling of their real belief, ie - they know who's responsible for the chemical attack. So I wonder, isn't it puzzling that same way someone in Bagdad knows "accurately" what happened in Kurdistan is the same way some fellas who've never seen 'our falling' Niger Bridge know "everything" about Biafran war account, effort, plight, and story. Hmm! Interesting! Simply put - we know the truth so we don't need anyone, let alone our wartime enemies, to tell us our story. We love you guys though. However, what is sacrosanct is that no matter how good and quick a lie is, truth will eventually catch up and justice will be done. |
Hmm! interesting. Hopefully, will have some time within the week to comment on the subject. So much personal "sermons" and "my-stories" here to be left intact. |
Katsumoto: Please let Sam justify Oduah's corruption by proving that others have embezzled before her. We are waiting for the list 100 agencies. At the end of that exercise, perhaps we will find out that there are groups that have not embezzled before. Prof Corruption: It doesn't take much time to publish a list of thieves. Is it not copy and paste with a link supplied?Lol, bro I don't know about you but I do not exist on the pages of NL. I'm a very busy person ok. I said 4 agencies and you keep saying 100, well if you're very much interested in the remaining 96, where Igbos outnumber Yoruba looters, why not bring it to NL. I mean, its not like anyone is stopping you from showing how Igbos are stealing too. What you guys think about the list or my expose is immaterial at this point. I will finish the list at my own time. If you believe I'm omitting Igbo names then its your job to dig deep into that agency and find out the names of the alleged looters and then come with whatever discrepancies you find. I said before the whole shabang took off that my expose will be methodical, it will come in bit by bit to allow folks dissect the veracity of the info - thats what I'm doing. If its coming in slower than you and I expected, well that's life. Writing, presentation, or whatever the heck it is is not my field so I will do it when I do it. If you don't like my style then I'm sorry. Anyways, I'm fixing to bring to NL another names of alleged looters in another agency. Remain tuned and God bless. |
russellino: OP - keep it coming please.I will as soon as I get some time. Thought I would do more yesterday and today but, as always, time in the West is unnecessarily expensive. Hopefully in the middle of the week I will show a gargantuan show of shame that took place under our nose in one of the four agencies I listed earlier. It seems to me that many Nigerians who're between the age of 15 and 25 do not have a good handle on who destroyed the nation they were born in. Many of us have succesfully indoctrinated them into the myth of "this group is evil and the other is saint, this group likes money while the other despises it, this group ruled more while this one didnt, this group must rule and the other will never, this group caused this and that." What is going on really is a serious herd-mentality that obscufates the truth. Even though some groups have had more lion share than others in determining our national trajectory and thus, contributed to the decay in the society more than others, I still feel no section has any right to pontificate. I have never seen any nation where criminality was rampant without the stench oozing from the top. It never happens anywhere. Its only in Nigeria that the leader blames the subject. Its only here that the sections that have ruled more blame the ones that have followed more. So bro my attitude towards this whole thing is - be cautious, don't throw wild allegations until all facts are in the public domain or verdict passed. But it seems some people don't apply that simple rule. They'd rather pontificate to others. Ok then, why don't we truthfully and honestly dance naked and see how honest we all have been in this nation. I said this before - If Oduah illegally enriched herself using her position then she needs to be shown the door. If she made any purchases so as to get a kick-back then she must go. However, if the only reason she's going through hell is because she stepped on the toes of one Babalakin and his Bi-Courtney, if the reason Lagos echo-chamber and Osun Defender are up in arms against stella has anything to do with what Sobowale wrote in the Vangaurd Newspaper back in Feb 13, then this visciousness has got to stop. This hypocrisy needs to be unbundled once and for all. |
Katsumoto: Sooner or later, the objective of starting this thread will become clearer.My interest is to show how agencies are destroyed by entrenched interests. If I wanted it to be different I would have presented a damning expose on few top shorts that are regarded as the worst offenders in the history of Nigeria. guess what? that list has about 25 Nigerians and it doesn't even have one single Igbo Name. In fact the most damning report is on MKO Abiola. Taking that route would have been a cheap-shot and I wont do that. I made a U-turn and decided to bring up the group that destroyed our national prized assets. That list is a sneak-peak of how stuff is sheared in Nigeria grass-root wise. The truth about Nigeria is simple and you can reject it if you want to - the more you go up the thieving-ladder the fewer Igbos and South South you see. Prove me wrong me if I'm lying. |
Man I need to run along. Will come back, maybe, tomorrow. |
Onlytruth: Did these ones refund the money?No way. Few visited the EFCC, thats it. No money, nada. |
What I posted is about 25% of the story. They management of NA started looting as soon as the company was handed over to them. My plate is really full to go through the whole of the mess. However, we can all see the pattern and I have no doubt that the entire shabang ended with the current pattern because the system was settup such that brother gives batton to another brother from the same group. After taking a little of time to xray the list of people who destroyed Nigeria I came to the conclusion that aside the military which the north used to keep their bogus born-to-rule idiocy, the southern Nigeria destroyed Nigerian economy. Its like no match. You can't even compare it. The disparity is self-evident. After going through nice amount of documents the only grouse I have with the northern military is - how could you allow this happen and for that I hold them responsible as well. But when it comes to physical cash and who took it - brothers, its south. The south, especially their civilians, stole the oil money. Its now more clear to me why Nigeria is not breaking soon. If I have more time I will present the destroyers of Nigeria Railway. But from the little I saw it, seems like the north is more represented than the south in the carnage that went on there, though the amount involved in NRC pales in comparison. It seems like for a united Nigeria to have a glimpse of hope, a generation might have to be either exiled, banned, or eliminated anyhow. There's no other way to get them out. As we speak they're in Abuja. |
I'm going to do a little bit of u-turn now. This reason is because I feel its more important and helpful to dig deep into the four organizations I listed earlier and see what happened to them as much as who did what. I shall start with Nigeria Airways. I must admit the info I present here is not all of it, in fact its just a tiny portion of the full mess, but nonetheless it is something to begin with. So lets start. I shall beging by giving credit to OBJ for NA. Our former president, OBJ, was the one person who really made Nigerian Airways possible. Even though the noble idea of floating a national carrier has been in the works earlier before OBJ came in, he arrived and gave it a huge breathe that resulted in Nigerian Airways having about 30 aircraft in its fleet. The organization was first managed by KLM for about 2 years before the management was handed over to British Airways and, later, South African Airways. Just to be frank, I’m not if it was British Airways that managed it first before KLM, but either way, both companies managed Nigerian Airways at the early stage before it was finally handed over to Nigerians. Its worthy of note that when the KLM, BA, and SA Airways were in charge Nigeria Airways made profit, in fact not only did it make profit, it was one of the preferred airlines in the African sky. So the question is what happened? How did we get here? How was it that at the time Nigerian Airways died, it only had one aircraft flying domestic route? How was it that when the requiem mass for Nigerian Airways was held it was shamelessly leasing two aircraft for its international route. How’s it that when it was over for Nigeria Airways it owed more debt than the capital used to establish it in the first place. Take note fellas, this debt was paid by Nigerian govt. Not only did the managers and their brothers and sisters eat our prize collective organization dry, they also got us in huge debt. Even as we speak, none of them has seen the walls of Nigerian prisons instead they’re still angrily pouting and hanging around Nigerian aviation sector waiting to swoop in and take over. I remember listening to Richard Branson speak on his experience in Nigeria sometime ago. He clearly stated that Nigerian people were the nicest people he’d met, and hardworking too. However, he said that no week passed by without someone from Abuja knocking on his door with one request or the other. According to him, Abuja people always came asking for “something or something” would happen. Even though Branson was paying Nigeria their own cut some people were still frustrating him for reasons known to them. I can only guess its because they lost to the gentlman. Anyways, in the end he said enough is enough and that was the end of Virgin Nigeria. From what he said, which I had no reason to doubt, he really made profit for Nigeria in that short period with less than 30 aircraft bearing the Virgin Nigeria Logo. So why did Nigeria Airways fail and, not only did it fail woefully, got us into huge debt? Fellow countrymen please check out the names below and find out how much you think you know about Nigeria Airways and its numerous destroyers. I must state that the names below have been adjudged guilty by EFCC. However, I won’t say they’re guilty yet but it’s interesting to at least know who they are. Their names below come with the amount they’re required to refund to Nigeria Airways. Please Note: “xxxx” means no figure yet. Also if a name appears twice it means the name allegedly stole on two occasions. Mrs. C.O. Awosika N26,959,883.00 Mrs. Adeloye A. B. xxxx Mr. Omoregbe K. xxxx Mr. D.A, Adebiyi N86,179.00 Kinshaha, Mgbengbe M. N123,280.00 Capt. Mohammed Joji US$10,276,030 Mrs. Saliu afore N1,482,982.00. Alhaji Jani Ibrahim US$4,073,991 + N15,200,000.00 Jos, Mrs Dilli K.M. N3,258,284.00 Ilorin, Mrs. Olobayo T.D. N188,768.00 Abeokuta, Mrs. Adeluola V.I. N82,768.00 Sokoto, Alh. S.I. Atipebi N574,969.00 Onitsha, Mr. J. Osukporu N723,469.00 Benin Mr. A.A. Eehu N1,115,269,28 Ikeja Mr. Aro $203,484.00 Maj. Gen (Rtd) Olu Bajowa US$4.35 million Mr. Fakeye US $108,129.28 Mr E. Lebechi N534,247.00 Mr. J. E. Lebechi US $19,335.00 Mr. Samuel N171,990.00 Mr Audi G.M. N861,658.00 Mrs. Apochi A. N155,000.00 Mrs. V I. Ademola N1.468,748.00 Mr. M. Modibo xxxx mr Alam Nwagbosu US$2,344,210.5 Miss F. P. Gwani N898,960.00 Mr. F. O. Adeosun N646,241.00 Mrs. A.A Shelleng N26,059,209.00 Mr. M. A. Akolie N2,616,519.00 Mr. O. T. Odunlayo N1,288,850.00 Alabo Tonye Grabam-Douglas xxxx Maj. Gen. (Rtd) Olu Bajowa xxxx Alhaji M. Abdulsalami xxxx Mr. T. Mgbhor xxxx Dr. U.S.U. Maigida xxxx Engr. Andrew Agom xxxx Mr. M. Idiakula xxxx That Engineer A.A. Agom xxxx According to the report, the underlisted persons be declared unfit to hold public office in Nigeria for the roles they played in destroying NAL: 1. Chief Adebiyi Olafioye 2. Mr Yemi Omowunmi 3. Mr A.S. Amalu 4. Engr A.A. Agom 5. Group Captain Peter Gana 6. Captain Mohammed Joji 7. Alhaji Mohammed Kari 8. Mr John I. Abulime 9. Admiral (rtd) Patrick Koshoni 10. Air Commodore (rtd) B.N. Banfa 11. Mr U.S.H. Maigida 12. Alhaji M. Shaba 13. Air Vice Marshall (rtd) A. E. Okpere 14. Captain J.B. Ibrahim 15. Mr T.N.O. Mgbor 16. AVM (rtd) J.N. Yisa Doko 17. maj. Gen. (rtd) Olu Bajowa 18. Capt. Allwell-Brown 19. Alhaji Abdulsalam 20. Alabo Tonye Graham Douglas Here, underlisted names should jointly refund the sum US$63,682,523.79 to NAL i. AVM (rtd) Abdullahi Dominic Bello Chairman/CEO ii. Mr Pascal Dozie (member) iii. Alhaji Isiaku Umar (member) iv. Otunba Tunji Adesoye (member) v. Chief Bassey Hogan Itam (member) vi. Mrs Stella Ugboma (member) vii. Captain Muhammed Joji (member) In case you think I’m preaching my own sermon or if you’re still in the mood to read then this is more evidence of what happened under our noses: While the Federal Government has concluded plans to spend N75 billion ($500 million) to procure 30 aircraft for airlines, none of those indicted, by a government White Paper ten years ago, for the fraud and misappropriations that led to the collapse of the Nigeria Airways has been prosecuted or made to return the money they stole. A PREMIUM TIMES Investigation revealed that some of those indicted are still active players in the aviation industry and may directly benefit from the government’s intervention. Nobody has been prosecuted or convicted for his/ her role in the scam. In 2002, outraged that the national carrier that had 32 airworthy aircraft in the early 1980s has only two functional airplanes, former President Olusegun Obasanjo set up a commission of inquiry to investigate the management of the Nigerian Airways. The commission was mandated, amongst other things, to “examine all books of account and records and determine whether there has been compliance with appropriate regulations.” After a year’s work, the commission submitted a four-volume report that revealed mind-boggling fraud, misappropriations and wanton recklessness running into billions of naira involving several officials of the airline, administrators, travel agencies, financial institutions local and foreign companies, as well as one prominent development organisation. On December 11, 2002, the Federal Executive Council, FEC, the country’s highest decision making body, met and approved a draft White Paper on the commission’s report and directed the Ministry of Justice and the police to prosecute and recover the stolen funds. It also directed the office of Secretary to the government to gazette the recommendations of the White Paper. Nobody remembers what happened afterwards, but neither did the police, Justice Ministry or the Secretary to the Government of the Federation follow through the FEC’s directives. If they know what happened, officials of the President Goodluck Jonathan administration are unwilling to tell Nigerians. Media aide to the president, Reuben Abati, did not respond to our questions about the status of the White Paper. Ambrose Momoh, the media aide to the Attorney General and Minister of Justice, could also not get his boss to respond. Mr. Momoh did not respond to our enquiries several weeks after they were sent to him. Just before he took ill and was taken to Saudi Arabia for treatment, the late President, Umaru Yar’Adua, had vowed, to those close to his government, to prosecute those indicted. That was the last that was heard of the report. An orgy of fraud Findings by the Justice Nwazota led Commission of Inquiry revealed that Nigerian Airways was run like a repulsive orgy of corruption. In total disregard for all decency, huge sum of monies were stolen and misappropriated by the airline officials. Administrators arbitrarily signed shady contracts with agencies and companies without recourse to regulations, funds were dubiously deposited and lost in moribund financial institutions; and airworthy airplanes were sold as junks and the money embezzled. Also, huge loans were taken on behalf of the airways and pocketed by private individuals. The report painted a bacchanal of fraud where every administration was jostling to out-steal the one before it. Between 1997 and 1999 “every project and contract was conceived with fraudulent intent,” the report noted. The Managing Director of the airline during the period, Jani Ibrahim, was described as “fraudulent and highhanded.” It revealed that Mr. Ibrahim treated the airline’s account like his personal wallet and summarily sacked those “he thought were threats to his fraudulent practices.” Between 1997 and 1999, Mr. Ibrahim spent $4,052,234.00 (N607.84 million) rental due to the airways without recourse to lay down regulations. Also, he single-handedly paid $1.78 million (N267.8 million) without guarantee to a travel agency, Alpine Aviation, for the 1999 Hajj operation. Only $560, 000 (N84 million) was recovered. The balance of $1.22 million (N183.75 million) was never recovered. From 1997 to 1999, Mr. Ibrahim appointed a third party company to collect revenue on behalf of Nigerian Airways even when the airline had the capacity to carry out the job. He subsequently paid a commission and handling charge of $928,895 (N139 million) to Hak Air, the agency he recruited for the purpose. Mr. Ibrahim also presided over the overpayment of $1.45 million (N222 million) to Hak Air for the overhauling of two aircraft – DC10-30 and B737, the report stated. Mr. Ibrahim also spent N607.84 million ($4,052,234.50) being rent due to the airline “without regard to laid down regulation.” During the first C-Check of an Airbus in Nigeria by Revilo, Mr. Ibrahim made an over-payment of N92.4 million ($616,052.26). He also “single-handedly signed and disbursed N156 million ($1,039,439.00) without the signature of the airline’s financial director as regulation required.” Between 1996 and 2001, he also unilaterally allotted 24 plots of land belonging to the airline in Ayobo, a suburb of Lagos to non-staff members. In keeping faith with his authoritarian approach to leadership, the committee found that Mr. Ibrahim went into a Wet Lease agreement with Al-Mahfooz that was to last for a year, but the venture collapsed because Mr. Ibrahim excluded the airline’s technical department. The failure of the agreement cost the airline N247.28 million. Mr. Ibrahim could not be reached for comment as his whereabouts remain unknown. Banned from holding public office Perhaps the biggest damage done to the Nigerian Airways by an individual was done by its former Managing Director of the company, Mohammed Joji. Mr. Joji, a retired Air Force Captain and the current Secretary General of Airline Operators of Nigeria, AON, was so unabashedly corrupt as stated in the report, that the FEC banned him from holding public office in Nigeria. The White Paper revealed that in March 1993, Mr. Joji, who is the owner of Sky Power Express Airways, “unlawfully approved” N2 million to one Grace Hembah as imprest account. In the same year, Mr. Joji “collected and spent” N1.8 billion ($12 million) royalty from Swissair without approval. Also in 1993, Mr. Joji claimed that he paid N1.62 billion ($10.8 million) to Sabena Airline but it was later discovered that he only paid N150 million ($1million), the panel discovered. In 1992, Mr. Joji also paid NICON Insurance Plc, N361.7 million ($2,458,064) less premium due. This fraud was even made worse by the fact that N 33.5 million ($2,230,357) being discount on premium that accrued to the airline had vanished without a trace, the white paper stated. It was also revealed that he would willingly choose foreign consultants for jobs that the airline staff could handle. The committee found “he would hire them in with all expenses paid.” In 1993, Mr. Joji outsourced the maintenance of a Boeing 737 aircraft to consultants from Brazil and paid them fully even after staff of the airline has completed 75 per cent of the maintenance. The airline lost N176.56 million ($3,531,358.50) in the process. In a telephone interview with PREMIUM TIMES, Mr. Joji denied any wrongdoing. He said the White Paper was a product of a “witch-hunt” orchestrated against him by former Aviation Ministers, Babalola Borishade and Kema Chikwe. “There were several panels. Nwazota was just a consultant. Is that what you call a panel? They didn’t do a proper job,” he claimed. “Do your research. The question you have to ask is who wrote the white paper? Was it gazetted? Was anyone charged?” Mr. Joji also uttered a subtle threat of litigation to PREMIUM TIMES. He wondered why we were interested in the story 10 years after: “At that time, no newspaper wrote about it. The White Paper was published 10 years ago, why are you just writing about it now,” he queried. When told we recently started publishing, he replied: “You are starting on a bad note. They will charge you to court. The White Paper is not gazette. You’re playing a dangerous game. Ten years ago something was written and you just came over night and want to write something about it.” “It just a wishy-washy thing by Mr. Borishade and Kema Chikwe. It wasn’t gazetted and I wasn’t charged,” he said. http://premiumtimesng.com/news/119933-investigations-part-1-after-stealing-billions-grounding-nigeria-airways-indicted-officials-still-enjoy-loot.html |
[quote author=re@lchange]@sam_ikenna we are still waiting for more information! hurry up bro[/quote]Bro, I will. My time-zone is, I suppose, different from yours. I said Saturday or Sunday and it's Saturday morning here. Anyway, in few hours I will begin the series like I promised and this time I'm going the full nine yards. Nigerians need to know who stole our collective wealth and I'm going to do the expose diligently without malice or bias. I will try to be objective as any human with adamic flaw can be possibly be. To set the mood for what's to come I will preempt by saying - I'm not going to bring up any offender that has ruled Nigeria before neither shall I bring up anyone that stole from the states that make up Nigeria. I will present those who have manned our several national agencies and usurped our commonwealth but flew under the radar because they were given official posts. Any Nigerian born between - say 1970 and 1985 can tell four agencies or organizations that really dominated, or perhaps defined, Nigerian economic life in the 80s through 90s and they're: (1) Nigerian Airways, (2) Nitel, (3) NEPA, and (4) Nigerian Railway (known as NRC). Won't it be nice to go back memory lane and find out who brought the wrecking ball to peace offering? I ask that you join me in this quest. Some fellas might call it conspiracy theory or whatever suits their inner desire - not worried about it. But in the end, Nigerians who were born between 1985 and 2000 need to know the perpetrators and perpetuators of the corruption we see today in our body polity. If you ask an average Nigerian youth today he would point at IBB and Abacha as the bringers of corruption. But what he does not know is that's half the story. While I do not hold brief for any leader, as I consider all of them bad apples, I know that many eminent Nigerians we all worship today milked the nation dry while the northern military held the cow down. They did it while calling others names to intimidate and scare. The question is - who are they as much as what did the media, especially Lagos echo chamber, do when those 'honorables' bled us all to death. I will roll the drums nice and slow, and it will be one alleged 'honorable' offender at a time. That way, we'll have enough time to dig into the actions and history of the individual and, hopefully, ascertain whether the OP is witch-hunting or un-witch-hunting. Like I said, this expose will only touch on individuals who're alleged (emphasis on alleged, we don' t designate them as criminals yet until the court speaks) to have stolen from the center. It will have nothing to do with ex-heads of state or regional saints and sinners. The reason for this is because almost all knows about the crimes of our ex-leaders and all the regions know about their own homegrown sinners, therefore it's pertinent to xray the actions of those who were, and perhaps, still are major players in the center but were alleged to have un-invitedly entered our big cookie-jar. Who are they? The answer as to who the worst alleged offenders are will start coming in few hours. Tune in and remain blessed. |