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Juliusmalema:
When Tao11 has already bathed you guys naked.

You want make I add coal of fire on top. We have conscience and doesn't care.

All we say is sort unasef( Bini/yoruba) out.. period.

TAO11 has been reduced to repeating herself like a broken record since your Igbo brother dismantled her with his history of Yoruba videos that supported and tallied with what the Benin have been saying.

She was rattled beyond beliefs, your Nna bros rocked her world to foundation.

She is now struggling to debunk the fact that her precious Yoruba is a baby creation of the white man in 1808, as if this is not bad enough, she is still unable to prove Benin/Ife connection beyond 1800s.

You Igbos better save those video for the days the Yoruba decide to take on you guys.

Etinosa1234:
Click the link and read Abi u dey use freebasics

The guy is allergic to books and reading.

TAO11 now have two assignments on her hands.

1. To prove that Benin/Ife relationship is older than 1800s.

2. To prove that the creation of yarriba of Yoruba by the white man is older than 1808.

Until she accomplishes these two simple tasks many people will no longer take her seriously, it will be a waste of time to engage her.

Poor her I can see another long sabbatical loading....

Juliusmalema:
Same old regurgitation. Next


These are more of the reason Tao11 always beats you silly here.

History revolving around three characters... of whom are all fictions

You even said the Igbo dictionary presented by Etinosa1234 also lied and didn't cover all Igbo.

The Yoruba can't save your ass on Bishop Crowder's documents, this is your cross to carry, if you believe Crowder lied, present your prove and stop calling on the Yoruba to come save your ignorant ass, it's because of people like you, the Igbos are looked down upon.

Juliusmalema:
Lol

You shared..Lol

We are now conversant if this wild claims, so it is nothing to us.

Guy, you are irredeemable, everything is wild claim to you, not only are you not well informed, you are also not ready to learn.

1. Azikiwe and his grandmother don't know what they were saying.
2. Oluadah Equiano don't know what he was saying.
3. Bishop Crowder didn't know what he was saying

And you that is unknown and probably don't have WAEC know what you are saying.

Juliusmalema:
Are you sure that I do?

Don't think I am not oblivious of my environment and as such I am in total control of my projections.

Go and read what the people of Asaba told Bishop Ajayi Crowder in 1875 about their Benin ancestry and read how Crowder said the Asaba where then different from Igbo in habits and they still retained their Benin phrases in 1875.

valirex:
He has a lot, not just being biased.

It's a good thing they know all this rants ends online. They can't stand before and Edo man and spill this shit

Apart from being biased, some of them are not very well informed. I have just share 1875 document that shows Asaba claiming Benin descendants and some of these Igbo guys that recently migrated to Anioma are claiming Asaba as Igbo.

The 1875 document I shared didn't even see Asaba people as Igbo in 1875, there was a clear distinction made between them.

valirex:
Bro when I say in common I know we had histories with them but aside that we are not related to them

I am sorry it wasn't met for you. It was met for Juliusmalema

I mean to say Juliusmalema have a lot to learn not you.

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RedboneSmith:
Is that so? Asaba claims affinity with Nteje in Eastern Nigeria and to a lesser extent with Igala. There are one or two families from other places. For instance one Igweli in the 19th century descended from an Esan man.

Do you have this document from Crowther where the Asaba claim Benin? I'd like to check something there.

cc: RedboneSmith

please provide your reference were Asaba claims affinity with Nteje in Eastern Nigeria and to a lesser extent with Igala.

I hope you will not come back next time to tell us that most tribes claiming Benin ancestry starting doing so recently.

TAO11:
Oga go and wash my toilet and stop spitting around.

You can’t even read your own Bini language, yet you want to read Ahmed Baba’s Sanghay’s writings. Maga!

I am not one of your low IQ student you deceive with such abracadabra citations.

Our Igbo narrator was right that Yoruba was created in 1808 by the white man, if not so you would have flooded the thread with citations already. Your fixation with Benin history has had the opposite effect and done more damage to the Yoruba brand.

Everyone reading this thread can listen to the video and know that our so called omo sophisticated are nothing but a group of returned slaves from the American and European who were integrated with some indigenous people of western Nigeria.

TAO11:
Why did you bother quoting me when you already know you’re about to type rubbish??

Anyways, here is the refutation to the 1808 crap bald head shared with you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

Our Igbo narrator on that video said Yorriba was one of twelve groups of slaves that were returned to Sierra Leone, the group of returned slaves were diverse and the white man wanted to unify all these groups under one of the groups. This is how yarriba and later Yoruba was created, this umbrella name now cover all these groups from dahomey down to western Nigeria.

Our narrator challenged any one to cite references that proved that western Nigeria people were known as Yoruba before 1808. I didn't see were you debunked it in your reference. I would like to see the 1600 reference claimed to have been cited by the guy you cited. I would like to see where such citation referred to the people of western Nigeria as yarriba before 1808.

TAO11:
The bolded must be true from their logic.

As there is no EUROPEAN eYeWiTnEsS WrItiNg of these fictional Benin CARTOONS.

We all know you are intoxicated on Benin history and get a lot of satisfaction from it, if you know what I nean . Unfortunately you also woke up the Benin that took their history for granted and lift the veil off Yoruba history. Many that didn't know that present Yoruba was the creation of the white man in 1808, now know and thanks to our Igbo video presenter that did justice to the Yoruba history to drive home what the Benin have always said.

RedboneSmith:
Is that so? Asaba claims affinity with Nteje in Eastern Nigeria and to a lesser extent with Igala. There are one or two families from other places. For instance one Igweli in the 19th century descended from an Esan man.

Do you have this document from Crowther where the Asaba claim Benin? I'd like to check something there.

Okay, I will be presenting it between today and tomorrow.

Juliusmalema:
At this point you are losing it by using such igbk dictionaries.

Let me give you an assignment go and research more about Anambra names infacts surnames same as delta area of Igbo and use your dictionary in comparing names you are digging up

You will realize that your dictionary can't give you anything.

You are making grave mistake in using such things to check names.

I would have given you a hint on peculiarity of names and how to arrive at such but since you have a set to target to try and lump it as maybe related to Bini then you are on a wild chase.

Discard that thing you are using, not near to the argument

Anioma and Anambra were heavily influenced by Benin. There is a missionary documented eyewitness accounts by Ajayi Crowder written in 1875 were Asaba people claimed affinity with Benin.

BRIEF HISTORY OF ISSELE-UKU Delta state

https://www.nairaland.com/63004/brief-history-issele-uku#1249450

Juliusmalema:
Revisionist, he wrote Obazee not Obaze.

Obaze Is a general Igbo name that is answered UpTo Anambra state..and has nothing to do with Bini, infact it is an igbo word...

Abeg face what is facing you..

You ask that we should leave Igbo out of the debate but you couldn't resist coming back. Agbor, Asaba to part of Anambra were established by Benin people.

davidmarker:
1) Onojie, Enogie ... are the titles of dukes. Benin Kingdom has only one king like all real kingdoms.
2) it is only make-belief kingdoms like yoruba which have several kings.

3) yoruba was created in 1808

After the creation of Yoruba by the white man in 1808, a library of the new Yoruba words and bible was also created. They begin to write myths as their history. A mythical medieval Ife was created to accommodate the newly created Yoruba people, Ooni was elevated through Oduduwa myths to become the spiritual head of the Yoruba people. But this didn't last long as the Sultan of Sokoto displaced the Ooni to become the spiritual head of more than half Yoruba people including their Obas who are muslims.

The speed at which the Sultan of Sokoto displaced the Ooni to become the spiritual head of most Yoruba people and their obas buttresses the fact that the creation of Ife and the elevation of Ooni had no solid historical backing, this is why it crumbled within a century compared to Benin where the Oba still remains the spiritual head to all his people despite suffering a crushing defeat by the British over a century ago.

The fact the Oba of Benin still reigns supreme amongst his people, being both the spiritual and cultural embodiment of the Benin/Edo people is because Benin history is real and wasn't a political creation on paper like Ooni and Ife.

gregyboy:
Are you aware esan bear names like obazee

Are you also aware edo tribe are offshoot of benin, so why are you sounding retarded and exhausted


According to the false myth, after the ogiso dynasty came oba dynasty from ife, it was during the oba dynasty that esan migrated at of benin and other edo tribes were sprung, so this means if we are to go with the fakse myth all edo tribe should be aware of the title oba


The screenshot is an urhobo name having oba


https://maternitynest.com/nigerian-baby-names-urhobo-names-boys/


Nextlife if you here gregyboy you go move


Etinosa1234
Davidnazee
Prolog
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Samuk
Valirex
Davidnazee

Agbor people of Delta state bears Obaze.

Since Yoruba centered their relationship with Benin around Ife, most part of our debate should be centred around Benin/Ife relationship because most other parts of Yoruba were under Benin colonial rule.

Let's the true Ife people come out to defend the Benin/Ife relationship, not descendants of former Benin colonial subjects or descendants of slaves that were returned back to Nigeria by the white man.

You will hardly find an Ife indigine on these thread because the Ife they are defending here was created on paper and have nothing to do with reality.

[quote author=TAO11 post=96567495][/quote]Considering your history which was brilliantly presented by our Igbo narrator in the videos presented to support what we the Benin have been saying.

I can see why you relish the debate with the Benin. Why will you not feel important when those whose history are centuries ahead of yours debates you.

Trying to punch beyond your historical weight must be intoxicating.

TAO11:
You should hurry up and enroll in a class on logical fallacies.

You already have enough students whose IQs are obviously below yours.

TAO11:
Because historians insist that that specific part is a fraudulent nonsense fabricated in the 1970s.

Just the way other historians who couldn't find historical proof in the first 400 years of Benin history to back up the claim believe the entire story is fairytales. Unproven legends and myths of history.

It's now up to you to show us eyewitness historical accounts earlier than the 1800s.

davidmarker2:
Actually the Oba of Benin said "we believe oduduwa was the son of the king of Benin who ran away and oranmiyan is his son who came back"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-pI7jliNOQ

Anyways, all these are fairytales.

The truth is your tribe was created in 1808; you have no history, all the proofs are provided here. Stop playing blind.

The Yoruba always like to skip the part oba of Benin said Oranmiyan was a Benin. He said it in front of the Ooni and other traditional rulers. This is not the Oba of Benin to say so, his even went further to say Oduduwa himself was a Benin prince. If they are going to qoute the Oba of Benin in their defence of Benin/Ife relationship, they should qoute him properly.

davidmarker2:
Guys, use the parts of the videos which are referenced.
This guy has already done the job.
I don't need to get myself tired.
I can go back to writing my paper.


Perharps it is time to make a topic on yoruba true history with references such as in the videos.
Also add all the proofs I gave.
The yoruba don't like history, they are interested in destroying history, not discovering it.
True history puts them to shame, so they must destroy it and claim other people's history.
You must show them their true history.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU&t=1662s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

Etinosa1234
AreaFada2
Samuk
Valirex
Davidnazee
gregyboy

You are right, a thread putting Yoruba history in proper perspective will be great.

Starting from the pre-Yoruba southwest independent tribal villages that fought and sold themselves into slavery to the creation of Yoruba in 1808 to accommodate indigenous tribes of now south western Nigeria and former freed slaves from Europe who were not all originally from the Niger area.

Some of these former slaves were from across Africa..dahomey, sierra leone etc.

The contributions of some of these free slaves who were missionary agents with western education on the creation of a common Yoruba language through the early Yoruba dictionary and bible.

The indigenous tribes of the south west that were under Benin kingdom in pre Yoruba time should be separated from the Yoruba slave confederacy with the indigenous tribes that was created in the 1800s.

The Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife political creation to give them common heritage.

The attempt to steal Benin history to give the authenticity, legitimacy and extend the history of Yoruba earlier than 1800s.

The Yoruba have been moulding their history up to confuse less informed present day Nigerians.

davidmarker2:
who talked about igbo history ?
look, you are delusional, you hate Edos, noted.
That doesn't mean you can make up your own "facts"

The guy has been thoroughly brainwashed by the Yoruba for too long, Imagine how embarrassing for him to now listen to the video of his fellow Igbo brother and realised that he has been scammed and to add insults to injury, he also realised that his Yoruba masters and teachers have little regard for his Igbo people.

Barbilius:
Lmao. Something said by ibos wey no even get bearing lmao. See the thick ibotic accent sef.

Because it was said by Igbo, so it has to be waved off as nonsense not minding the fact that they guy cited historical references. The truth is the average Yoruba have no regards for the Igbos, not even their intellectuals, who can blame the Yoruba if they see the Igbos as intellectually inferior when you have the likes on Juliusmalema and RedboneSmith publicly claiming that Benin was ruled by Yoruba that was created in 1808 to accommodate freed former slaves.

With these kinds of thinking, the Yorubas may be right about some Igbos.

Besides, what has the guy's Ibotic accent have to do with what he said, we all understood him perfectly.

davidmarker2:
I already know the yoruba next reply: they will claim the statue represents a man from ife coming to teach bronze casting to the Edos.
That is the yoruba offical lie on this subject.
They are very predictable.

I won't be surprised and yet they, the teachers don't have their to showcase apart from few they claimed to have dug up from the ground.

It goes to show the level of education these people have, if the guy had paid little more attention to the video assuming he even bothered to view it or didn't skip the rest after the Ooni had finished speaking, he would have noticed the Benin artworks that depicted an Oba on a horseback and save himself or this embarrassment of laughing off European drawing of horses in Benin.

The eyewitness Europeans largely sketched and described what they saw not what they think and concocts.

Barbilius:
Yes Oyo had cavalry because it was/is still located in the open savannah. Benin was and is still in the forest. How exactly did it use horses inside a tropical rain forest?

The problem with some of you guys is that your quest of knowledge are only limited to a small circle and tribal, if it wasn't said by a Yoruba person, then it's not true and you are not interested, otherwise you would have noticed the depiction of a horse on Benin artwork on the video below that was shared here earlier. In the video is the Ooni in an European museum, probably the British museum admiring a single Ife head sculpture, next to the Ife display were numerous Benin artworks and one of them depicted a Benin nobility probably an Oba on a horseback.

Considering the facts that these Benin artworks were looted by the British in 1897 and majority were done hundreds of years earlier, were did the Benin see hearses to depict in their arts if horses were not already established in the kingdom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

Barbilius:
Yes Oyo had cavalry because it was/is still located in the open savannah. Benin was and is still in the forest. How exactly did it use horses inside a tropical rain forest?

In the coastal area to the south of Oyo, between the River Volta and Niger, contemporary European sources throw some light on conditions from the late fifteenth century onwards. In the case of Benin, there is no explicit evidence of the existence of horses before the early seventeenth century, but the fact that the King of Portugal sent a gift of a horse to the King of Benin in 1552 suggests that horses were already established in Benin when the Europeans first arrived there.

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Barbilius:
Lmao. They even drew horses there. Did Benin ever used horses? Inside a forest region? How did horses survive?

It really shows that must of you rely entirely on TAO11 for your education, even baby Oyo once had a cavalry of horses.

Must you publicly display your ignorance.

TAO11 herself knows that must of her arguments are lies but chooses to play on the lack of intelligence of must of you while entertaining and enjoying herself.

In the coastal area to the south of Oyo, between the River Volta and Niger, contemporary European sources throw some light on conditions from the late fifteenth century onwards. In the case of Benin, there is no explicit evidence of the existence of horses before the early seventeenth century, but the fact that the King of Portugal sent a gift of a horse to the King of Benin in 1552 suggests that horses were already established in Benin when the Europeans first arrived there.

According to an English adage, a picture is worth a thousand (1000) words.

The Benin have put on display numerous pictures from the Benin kingdom. Benin empire/kingdom was real.

This Yoruba history video by an Igbo man should be for the numerous ignorant Igbos on Nairaland being brainwashed by the Yoruba. The Igbo narrator is telling some truth with references on how Yoruba was created to represent groups of former slaves mixed with indigenous south west people in 1808.

These people who were largely former slaves not even from Nigeria are now trying to steal Benin history to make them look older than 1808.

Despite the numerous photos from Benin displayed here, nothing from them. Instead they are concocting and fabricating history on computers.

According to an English adage, a picture is worth a thousand words.

It is gratifying to know that not all Igbos are ignorant of the history of various Nigeria people.

davidmarker2:
One guy's take on the yoruba


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

davidmarker2:
ooni of ife goes to british museum in search of yoruba art, he meets one poor "yoruba head" surounded by a legion of Benin art.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

Did I just heard Ooni claiming Egyptian lineage through Osiri at timestamp 0:59.

Yoruba are really confused. I thought they said Oduduwa was from Saudi Arabia.

These people always stealing other people's history.

I await the lies from the AssClown.