₦airaland Forum

AreaFada2:
You might as well go and argue with the lots at "Uselu in". Despite their pathology, they will reason better than the repetitive cross dresser masquerading as a historian.

TAO12:
Stop being a little Benin liar. It is I instead who applied your dumb logic to you to demonstrate your foolishness.

For you: No written eyewitness account means non-existence, e.g. Oduduwa.

Applying the same logic: No written eyewitness account of Ewuare I, Eweka I, and several of your ancestral daddies prove that they are fictional cartoons.

You mean the accomplishment of how you all were named, brains-washed (into Yoruba religion), clothed, etc.

I never received the memo that it was a fight.

I am glad there was such 400 years writing account which shows how the Benin king was submissive to a greater overlord. Thank for writting.

This has been proven beyond what a mere sorrowful rant can salvage.

No your daddies still a lol the Ooni as Oghene till date. And the following historians have examined the documents and concluded that Ogané (your King’s) overlord was in fact the Ooni of Ife:

Stoll, Roth, Marquette, Talbot, Schurhammer, Bradbury, Marti, Mauny, Law, Obayemi, Bradbury, Willett, Akintoye, Smith, Horton, Akinjogbin, among several others.

Yufi was documented in the 1300s by Ibn Battuta.

Scholars have examined the writings and found that he referred to two (2) different places by that name:

(1) A place in Zimababwe

(2) And the more popular Yufi which is none other than IFE. Die if you want to!

I don’t try, I cited it. Yes, I knew it will hurt you if I cite such fact. I didn’t it on purpose because I’m aware of your insecurity.

A big mistake. I’m disgracing to sane people. And they’ve been confirming to be seeing your insecure Bin lies.

gomojam:
Come u be logic and reasoning professor?

This one too much for my Benin people fa.

gomojam:
Abeg carry ur coconut head comot. You no dey shame!

gomojam:
Mention me when it's done, pls.

TAO11:
You mean the achievement of how Yorubas imposes names, deities, monarchy etc. on your ancestral daddies??

TAO11:
So now “whatever his name and title was” appears to you to be a great answer.

Okay then, the Europeans also note Benin’s relationship with others, whatever their name was also doesn’t matter.

Sounds good to you? Satisfies you? Looks like the same standard? Or your delusions isn’t yet clear?

cc: babtoundey

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Just so you know I will copy and paste the above refutation to the next page when a new page comes up.

TAO11:
Interesting! You mean that all these your Benin daddies (Eweka I, Ewuare I, et all) are all mythical and fictional cartoon characters.

Or

Just as they didn’t write anything about Eweka, Ewuare, et al.

Hence your greatest daddies are all fictional animes.

Who spoilt Benin people’s lives like this. Inferiority complex gripped them hard. I suspect Awolowo.


Exactly as Oranmiyan conquered you all and you took the name Benin till date.

The conquered truly takes the name of their boss.

Or may be as Aje (from Ibadan) was slave-raiding your daddies back in the days before the Nile came to addd salt upon injury.

cc: @babtoundey. The Ife-Benin Connection of which they live in denial is upon them.

There is no escape from it. Suicide is loading in. Skin today.

See link:

babtoundey:
When Benin itself (it gods, religion, politics, name, arts and revered stool of authority) is a property of the mighty Yoruba race. the igogomigodo people or whatever it is they are called watched as oranmiyan colonised them inside out. That is the fact no million lies from online savages could refute.

babtoundey:
Then prove it. Yorubas have given you a hundred and one meanings of Oba (all pointing to the same meaning), they have given you ancient names, that have "Oba" attached traditional rulers, titles and positions that are prefixed with "Oba", that have given you names of traditional position that derive their meaning and essence from the word "Oba" they have provided standing proofs that Benin stole the name from them. You could tell us what "Oba" means in your language let alone substantiating your odious claim "oba" is truly yours.
Must we be forced to ignore sense and reasoning and embrace your "it is what it is" stance because you are Gregboy, the mouthpiece of the entire Benin empire and the confused originator of "shinny seki" and it's red". We know you're confused. Just make us believe you're not confuse as you truly are. prove Tao wrong at least for once.

babtoundey:
This is a well-done job. God bless you, Tao. Only a lunatic,
whose condition can never be redeemed, will at this point
believe their flawed narrative of Yoruba stole the name Oba
from us. You have always proven to be their worst nightmare
while making people see through their motive and despiration
to rewrite history and claim what is never theirs and what will
never be theirs.
I even expected to see something like "shinny seki" "it's red"
"it's shinning" as the true meaning of "Oba" (as supplied by
these online nutcases) in that dictionary. But the person that
compiled it shows he is a sensible and dignified person that
cannot stoop low to peddling cheap and ludicrous lies.

gregyboy:
It is simple yorubas took the word oba from benin, then started using as a collective name for thier kingship to elevate their stool internationally


The word oba got into yoruba lexicon through eastern Yoruba

The conquered takes upon the name of the conqueror

macof:
what 1863 document called Adolo an "Oba"?

Edeyoung:
You self you be winch, youre the man of the match in this thread bro

Even with their bannee

TAO12 is going to dig for more with her smelling pussy

macof:
The first Ọmọnọba or Oba of Benin referred to in a document with the word "oba" is Ovonramwen and only in retrospect as this was after he had been deposed. Documents I have only date to 1906
If he can provide a document from an earlier date showing any Ọmọnọba before ovonramwen called "ọba" it would be very impressive but I doubt such document exist.

Edeyoung:
Samuel was banned the pE guy was banned too
And we are all Benin’s


Does this bann mean tao12 has been saying rubbish


Samuel post your screenshot of your banned


Peguy was banned for helping smuk drop the screenshot that mention the king of Benin as oba 1863 he was banned for dropping his evidence


Lol,yorubas can’t even get hold of their cowardice for a debate

Etinosa1234:
What are u saying

Even most igbos know all of them don’t originate from the same ancestor

Suddenly u are now denying ur hero

I just remembered


Isn’t there a place called onitsha ado ?

RedboneSmith:
Again, no substance in this response. Just emotion. 'Benin is great' is no proof of Benin conquest of the SE. Just as 'Rome was great' is no proof that the Roman Empire expanded up to Sweden.

Benin adventure in Eastern Yoruba is remembered in traditions. We know, for example the stories surrounding Osogboye and Iken. Where are the stories of Benin adventure in the SE? Who were the heroes/warriors? Where were the battles fought? Why are there ZERO traditions of military or even social interactions, the way we have traditions of such interactions between Benin and the Eastern Yoruba, or Benin and the Western Igbo (a.k.a., Anioma)?

Give me something here, please. Don't give me emotion.

Edeyoung:
Stop using samuk to escape my question present me what i requested

TAO11:
A consideration of the details of the Owu War tells of how the home-kingdom of the Owu people (Owu-Ipole) was sacked and grounded (never to be rebuilt till date) by a combined army of Ife and Ijebu-Ode. ~ See S. Johnson Chapter VIII, page 210 as embedded below:

gomojam:
So this is your proof? You are not serious.

bandit9000:
The reports I read describe jebu as an independent kingdom which had friendly relationship with Benin and whose traders often made the travel into some regions of Benin Kingdom to trade with the international community.

gomojam:
Pls bring proof that Benin ever conquered the Ijebu. Abeg.

AreaFada2:
The large Yoruba slave population made it easy for any other slaves that lost their origin to get dumped with Yoruba slaves in Lagos. Some Lagosians of today even left Sierra Leone, another major dumping ground to Lagos for opportunities. We must remember that this is just over 200 years ago. Not long ago. Before that only Benin administrative genius that got Lagos to where it was then.

The fact that Yoruba were so comfortable selling themselves into slavery shows they were a bunch of divided, warring, loosely related tribes.

Those that came under Benin like Eastern Yorubaland, Lagos, Ijebu and others were luckier in organisation.

Oyo administrative skills that came much later was copied from Benin. But Oyo was more interested in selling slaves as it began growing in 1680s. Barely 140 years later, Fulani have already overran it. Its empire was very shortlived.

Some will argue how Oyo administration was copied from Benin. They Will suddenly forget how and when Oyo chiefdom was first founded before it grew.
Etinosa
Gregyboy
Valirex
Samuk

TAO11:
The 1666 French pamphlet itself is a translation of an Arabic text relating an ancient Coptic tradition about certain now-deified personages from Ife.

bandit9000:
Actually the first written documents talking about the region already show lagos as being a part of Benin empire, just like Warri, Auchi and many other pieces of land. Benin Kingdom (also referred to as Benin empire) was a large kingdom unlike the many villages (e.g ife) which started to call themselves kingdom as soon as the british invaded the region and defeated the militaries of the actual real kingdoms (e.g: Benin empire, Kano emirate, sokoto califate), therefor making it possible for former slaves to call themselves kings.
Indeed, the thing which you guys seem to forget easily is that a huge chunk of the "yorubas" descend from slaves who were deported from the american continent after they were liberated.

The only real kingdom in southern nigeria is called Benin and most if not all "kings" in southern nigeria and some in the midle belt derive their sit of power from the authority of the Oba of Benin.

So please do not dash Lagos to the descendants of the slaves who were dumped there by the british and other europeans. Lagos (as testified by anybody who visited the region in the precolonial era) is a region of Benin.

Contrary to what some people seem to think, Benin city is only the capital of Benin Kingdom ! Just like london is only the capital of england. The queen of england rules over the entire england, not just london. A king rules over his entire kingdom, not just over his capital. Just like there are goveernors in nigeria, in the precolonial era there were "vassals" who were in charge of their respective regions within Benin Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom being the Oba of Benin. Some of his vassals: Obi of Onitcha, Oba of Lagos, Ataru of Auchi, Olu of Warri ...

TAO11:
ALREADY TRASHED!

Next ...

TAO11:
Before I open my eyes, bundle your sickling clownish dry ass out of here and go provide evidence for your delusional claim that there “600 years” old written accounts naming/describing a Benin King as “Oba”.

Oh! As well as the evidence for your delusional claim that the Yorubas didn’t use “oba” for their kings until after 1 9 3 8.

That’s what you should battling with at the moment — oya, alele! grin

cc: Afam4eva
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PS: Your Benin claims of Lagos has been refuted still: 2- 0.

I am glad this came up. The people now know better.

valirex:
They keep peddling lies, but it's like turning water into a basket