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gregyboy:
You still quoting egharevba myth of oromiyan to him....
Guy stand your ground to prove benin had any connections with ife at any time

That let him drag you into myth my god he will win you

I am trying to point out the stupidity in their lies.

Their lies places the Oba of Benin as the most senior Oba to all Yoruba Obas, she cant even acknowledge it.

Okay, acknowledge that Oba of Benin is senior to the Alaafin according to her Yoruba history, she is still having problems with this.

It just shows how their arguments are blinded by tribalism.

She can't publicly agree to her own historical fabrications because it has now throws up the issues of seniority amongst the Obas.

I am now interrogating her history from within, she is having problems admitting her lies.

TAO11:
You can attempt to "save" all you want. But when it comes to trying to save people with lies and pained distortions, then you need to look inwards and drink some water.

I must reform all you Binis to be a better citizen who utters nothing but the truth. With me, you will leave Nairaland with your lying tongue cut off.

Regarding your dumb 180° rotation of ranking:

Oranmiyan installed his child as king over some forest people, but somehow his child's throne in the distant forest miraculously became superior to his own throne in Oyo.

I think I already dealt you too much blow that you have become confusion personified

Also in your warped and watery mind, Oranmiyan's children were the first Oonis of Ife. In other words, no Ooni in Ife before Oranmiyan was born.

Go and test for Covid-19 urgently, or have I caused you to hallucinate from the floggings?

In case you're confused from all the floggings of today. Sane people's ranking is as shown below:

(1) Ooni Ife (Ooduwa Atewonro) --- GrandFather.

(2) Alaafin Oyo (Oranmiyan Akinlogun) --- Gr.Son.

(3) Oba Ile-Ubinu (Eweka I) --- Gr.Son's son.

Anyways, thank God Oba Eweka II was not as stupid as you when he told Ward-Price the following in the 1920s when the latter visited him. See 2nd attachment for a clue of how he ranked.

And regarding the tussle between the reigning Alaafin and the the former Ooni --- It was merely a personal issue on the basis of political parties affiliation. It has nothing to do with monarchical superiority.

No Alaafin will ever utter it that his throne is superior to his own father's.

To make it quite clear to you, consider the picture below:

I am disappointed in you, you are usually smarter than this.

Where did I argue that Oranmiyan was the first Ooni of Ife?

I argued from when Oranmiyan became Ooni, I didn't say anything about any Ooni before Oranmiyan.

The questions are very simple and your Yoruba historians agree with my answers.

1. Was Oranmiyan ever Ooni of Ife (Yes)
2. Which of the current Oba was his first child? (Oba of Benin)
3. Did Oranmiyan left Benin to found Oyo (Yes)
4. Who amongst current Obas was Oranmiyan second child. (Alaafin of Oyo)
5. Did Oranmiyan left Oyo and returned back to Ife (Yes)
6. Has there ever been seniority contests between the Alaafin and Ooni (Yes)
7. Is the Oba of Benin the senior brother to Alaafin (Yes)

Which of my answers is wrong and please back your argument up with your usual evidence. Don't try to swear your way out of it.

MetaPhysical:
According to Acholonu -

Two divine Kings existed in South.

Oduduwa
Eri.

Any other one is inferior to these.

I can't believe that the Yorubas are so dull not to know the implication of what we are trying to save them from.

By forcefully writing themselves into Benin history, it gives seniority to the Oba of Benin over all Yoruba Obas. So much for their sophistication and cleverness.

This implication was not lost on the source you quoted because he even alluded to it.

Most scholars and historians of Yoruba history agree that Oranmiyan came to Benin and had his first child became the Oba of Benin, he then went to Oyo to have his second child, the Alafin of Oyo and returned to rule Ife where he possibly had other children who carried on as Ooni.

The reason for the seniority tussle between the old Ooni and Alaafin.

Alaafin being the second son to Oranmiyan cant be junior to Oranmiyan later children who took over in Ife.

Some even argued that the present Oonis are from the line of the chief priest that Oduduwa left to be taking care of the shrines after all his children left Ife to found other kingdoms.

Even if we agree that Oranmiyan was Yoruba, that still put Oba of Benin, his most senior son as the most senior Yoruba Obas.

So you have in terms of seniority, from Oranmiyan children. Let me see how they argue this.

1. Oba of Benin
2. Alaafin of Oyo
3. Ooni of Ife.

No matter how they spin it, the Alaafin will always be below the Oba of Benin in heirarchy.

Like to see what the Oyo guys around here think about this. The Oyo guys seats back and allow other Yorubas tribes without history to be arguing their history.

gregyboy:
400c that 500yrs


Sarah20A

I can't believe that the Yorubas are so dull not to know the implication of what we are trying to save them from.

By forcefully writing themselves into Benin history, it gives seniority to the Oba of Benin over all Yoruba Obas. So much for their sophistication and cleverness.

This implication was not lost on the source you quoted because he even alluded to it.

Most scholars and historians of Yoruba history agree that Oranmiyan came to Benin and had his first child who became the Oba of Benin, he then went to Oyo to have his second child, the Alafin of Oyo and returned to rule Ife where he possibly had other children who carried on as Ooni.

The reason for the seniority tussle between the old Ooni and Alaafin.

Alaafin being the second son to Oranmiyan cant be junior to Oranmiyan later children who took over in Ife.

Some even argued that the present Oonis are from the line of the chief priest that Oduduwa left to be taking care of the shrines after all his children left Ife to found other kingdoms.

Even if we agree that Oranmiyan was Yoruba, that still put Oba of Benin, his most senior son as the most senior Yoruba Obas.

So you have in terms of seniority, from Oranmiyan children. Let me see how they argue this.

1. Oba of Benin
2. Alaafin of Oyo
3. Ooni of Ife.

No matter how they spin it, the Alaafin will always be below the Oba of Benin in heirarchy.

Like to see what the Oyo guys around here think about this. The Oyo guys seats back and allow other Yorubas tribes without history to be arguing their history.

MetaPhysical:
Samuk, show up and argue your Benin inferiority here.

I chased you away from this thread, you run to the other thread

I chased you away from that thread, you run back to this thread because you couldn't defend the claim you made on that thread and your Yoruba brothers and sister chased you away because you were messing up their arguments with your low intelligence.

Argue with yourself.

gomojam:
Then go to that thread and mention him there while registering for tuition.

I am sure he is more than capable to make you comprehend.

He said Idu was Oduduwa.

We are discussing Benin/Ife Oduduwa relationship on this thread, why go to another thread to continue a topic that is relevant to this thread.

Are we not allowed to ask questions anymore.

I need to know the connection between Idu and Oduduwa, if he is no longer sure of himself or was joking, he should just say so. It will not be the first time he has joked so far.

You don't determine what aspect of Benin/Ife and Oduduwa that should be discussed here, if someone raises new information, we are allowed to ask questions.

If you guys are tired of discussing Benin/Ife Oduduwa relationship, say so and take a break.

We are not supposed to be fighting but learning from each other.

MetaPhysical:
I said clearly what Acholonu said.

Go to that thread, we will iron it out.

On this thread here, you are defeated.

Accept your inferior Benin and move on to the other thread for a repeat beating.

Dont mess up this thread i love it the way it is.

So you will not be teaching us how Idu was Oduduwa.

This thread topic is how Ooni claimed Benin to be part of Yoruba kingdom.

So are you no longer sure of how Idu was Oduduwa or is this another jokes of yours.

Why do you want to run to another thread to discuss Benin/Ife and Oduduwa history.

You guys seems to be the one running away from the topic now.

gomojam:
She really did and deserves reward for it . You are doing a good job too, kudos.
We allowed them (Benins) to run amok for too long they now mistook our tolerance and civility for cluelessness and cowardice.

I believe they learnt their lessons now even though they don't wanna openly admit.

Not quite, we are still learning new things thanks to Metaphysical.

We are waiting for him to teach us more on how Idu was Oduduwa or Eri.

MetaPhysical:

You are defeated. Now you want to turn it to personal attacks.

Where is your Benin superiority now?

Tell me....where is Benin superiority?

Please tell me how Idu was Oduduwa and Eri. Don't allow anyone to prevent you from sharing your version of history the way you know it.

Then again, you can always quite if you are not so sure of yourself and the validity of your history.

All the Benins here don't neccessarily say the same thing.

They all have independence of thoughts, nobody controls anybody.

Present your information and stand by it, nobody knows everything.

TAO11:
No, you doing a woeful and miserable damage control job.

You're only desperately clutching at straws while trying to forcefully create a new topic because you lost miserably on all the three issues I brought up.

Get yourself off the ground, dust your self, and run away.

Create a new thread for your distractions and tag us accordingly.

Otherwise I will have to copy my precious comments and post tgem at the last page here every night for more visibility ---- your worst nightmare.

Please relax,

Metaphysical just informed us that Idu used to be both Oduduwa and Eri.

Allow the guy to teach yours something new, or is that not why we are here, please stop controlling the guy like you know everything.

You may learn new information you don't previously known.

Metaphysical is big enough to handle himself, don't make him look like he doesn't know what he is saying.

MetaPhysical:
Idu has always been a Yoruba word.
Do you not know?

Okay, so Idu was both known as Oduduwa and Eri.

Please don't mind that interloper TAO11, teach us and humour me with this story.

TAO11:
Go and discuss there on the thread and tag us accordingly.

Stop giving off the false impression to some gullible Binis that you're addressing anything here on this thread.

You adressed nothing!

People can see that I am doing a good job addressing and enjoying Metaphysical jokes.

Do you need a pair of glasses to see better.

Please don't come and spoil my fun. Are you a kill joy.

MetaPhysical:
Looking for Igbo support I see!
So what you guys do online is source for support. It makes sense now why you open 10 threads all about Benin vs Yoruba......because you are looking for support.

The thread i opened was to go through East to see where that road would lead. Go and read what i typed from Acholonu's submission.

There were two Idu
Oduduwa
Eri.

No where was Benin mentioned.

The evidence does not need support....it needs ACCEPTANCE!

Oduduwa is now Idu. It this another joke? If it is, it's very funny. How confused can one person be.

Interesting

MetaPhysical:
That thread is very painful to you. See as you are crying about it.

From any angle you look at it ....Benin is Inferior!

Benin is inferior, says who, a faceless nairalander.

But the rest of humanity acknowledged Benin to be the greatest black race on earth.

Guinness book of world records says so. Something none of you can joke about.

MetaPhysical:
Ase!!!

I second that prayer. She killed it....over and over and over.

I am yet to see anyone with a superior submission and meticulously organized evidence has TAO has done.

I just dont know how to reward her but I would love to. Deserves it!

So are you now abandoning your Edo migrated from Onitsha joke. Let us know that you were also joking.

TAO11:
MetaPhysical, please don't address samuk 's latest distraction attempt at Edo vs. Onitcha.

He should create a selarate thread on that and tag us accordingly if he wants to pursue tgat course.

No come and spoil fun here. We still dey enjoy this one

Metaphysical actually created another joke thread claiming Edo migrated from Onitsha, he was looking to Igbo for support, I chased him out of that thread, so he came here to carry on joking.

He said Oghene or Ogane could be the Igbo Eri

Whilst we continue enjoying ourselves, you guys still have to be reminded about the super human fit that was required to create the great Benin wall. It's up to you to ignore the information.

One of many aspects of Benin history you can't forge or joke about.

MetaPhysical:
The message was clear in 14th century, it was clear in 15th century, it did not change in 16th century, it was revalidated in 17th century, it remained same in 18th century, Britosh arrived in 19th century and acknowledged the five centuries old tradition, 20th century gave us a new political identity but the message was stubborn and would not budge....here we are in 21st century and it still hasnt changed.....Benin is inferior to Ife!

Portuguese said it
Dutch said it
French said it
Spanish said it
Edos said it
Yoruba said it
Ijaw said it
Itsekiri said it
Nupe said it
Igala said it
Igbo said it
Urhobo said it

Prince Charles had to even come back and picture it!

Can you see what Oranmiyan saw with their ancestors and why he concluded these are savages that should have been left in their naykedness in forest?

I know you are joking by saying Benin is inferior to Ife because that is not what the Guinness book of world records says.

Infact no black race has so far matched Benin historical achievements according to Guinness book of world records.

As the official certified nairaland joker, is this another jokes of yours, what will you do with your other joke of Edo migrated out of Onitsha.

TAO11:
Exactly, I already showed him how slow he was not to have realized that the joke was on him.

You guys are jokes and jokers like you just admitted, who wants to waste their time with jokers.

I now get it that all your submissions were jokes and you were joking, shouldn't have taken you too seriously.

Thanks for letting us know you guys are joking, when next I see posts from you guys now, I know you are just joking.

TAO11:
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No, instead if someone newly come to learn aboyt the submission of experts on a topic on which he formerly was mistake n and then decide to grow --- unlike a Benin man who will rather die an ignoramous --- then such is a real human being.



I am still yet to see one tiny shred of evidence with which you can raise even a finger against the conclusions of historians and archaeologists.

What you do best instaed is run away like a Benin b!tch, and clutch at straws while battling for your life and scouting for who is going down with you.


I wish you all the best in your fight with reality.

It's pure hubris to be telling Benin history and claiming expert when you don't know your own history.

Educate us on your own town's history.

Benin historical achievements are internationally recognised, show me anything in Ife that is close in comparison.

Sarah20A:
first let me see the evidence first before asking further questions

Don't waste your time with these shameless revisionists who are looking for people to make themselves feel important and worthy.

Ask them to tell you the history of their various villages and towns.

They should also be promoting the history of their villages and towns or don't their towns have history to brag about.

TAO11:
The latest joke from Benin kingdom has arrived.

Clutching at straws like the proverbial drowning man.

BENIN LOGIC:
(1) A Nairalander imagines "A" about a certain archaeological subject.

(2) An archaeologist actually finds that it's "Z"

(3) Benin logician concludes: Hurray!! The archaeologist is a reckless liar.

Every stable mind knows knkw who is really really from (1) to (3).





Having said that, MetaPhysical has confirmed to me to have updated his understanding of whatever he may have erroneously thought on the subject.

He has grown in knowledge. For the Yoruba person knowledge is a flow concept not a stock concept. We are a dynamic growing people.

It is only in Benin kingdom that you all are not allowed to learn and grow for the fear of killing your ignorance induced delusions of grandeur.

It only shows how confused the Yoruba revisionist, TAO11 and Metaphysical are and all can see that you are also very shameless about it.

I told Metaphysical before that none of you were out for historical facts unlike the Benins.

Benin history to you guys is to make up for the lack of history from your various insignificant villages.

Why not tell us about the history of your various villages. Talking of inferiority complex.

You guys like to hide under the Yoruba umbrella to hide the facts that your various villages and towns lack history you could be proud of.

Metaphysical even went as low as to start a thread were he claimed that Edo claimed to have migrated out of Onitsha, Ife was no longer good enough for him because he saw that no credible evidence support the Ife lies.

He is now looking for allies from the east. How disingenuous.

You guys are suffering from inferiority complex.

Metaphysical has updated his knowledge, same way you guys also updated you knowledge from two sites for your Orun Oba Ado in which you initially created a site for female Obas of Benin.

The Benins should just ignore you guys.

MetaPhysical:
I defer to what TAO has said on Orun Oba Ado.

My account on that subject is inferior to his....like Benin is inferior to a Priest-King.

Too late, gregyboy has already screenshot your comments saying the English man Willie and anyone that believes him is stupid and that makes TAO11 stupid by your submission.

Your retraction is as low as it could get from a very cowardly and shameless individual.

In your dismissal of the Orun Oba Ado, you were even more emphatic than the Benins themselves.

I am happy everyone can now see the sort of characters we are dealing with here on nairaland.

davidnazee:
That is what happens when people try to portray myths as real truth. Myths have been proven to always be false and full of contradictions.

Yoruba people from formerly unknown little insignificant villages will turn the fabrication of Benin history into a career.

TAO11:
How do you know the detailed content of a paper you havent seen or read??

Please share this skill with me, I also need it.

And regarding your question about Oduduwa, I have already answered you since the first time you asked. You need to start reading what you will be replying to.

Also, please point out where I noted that Oduduwa did not exist. You can't afford to start chipping in lies. Leave that to the Benin boys.

Regarding burial, I have addressed that in details on this same thread Go back a few pages to study. I'm sorry you missed it.

You may also refer to the video I have attached inthe above comment for a sneak peek of what to expect.

Below is what Metaphysical said about how stupid your Orun Oba Ado fallacy is

MetaPhysical:


You are still uncivilized gregyboy, still very uncivilized!

There are rites performed at succession to thrones and the new king takes a sacred oath over the body of the predecessor. This oath seals the continuity of dynasty. Once the predecessor is put into ground his remains can never, and must never, again come out. Its a taboo to exhume a king. This is reason they are never buried in cemetry.

If you exhume the heads of kings their successors will perish.

Willett was told by your chiefs in Edo the tradition of sending the head of your Oba for burial in Ife. Willett went to Ife and corroborated the story. He asked to see the site and it was shown to him. He went about digging the sites looking for buried heads. What a foolish Englishman! Did he expect the people to break their taboos because an Englishman wanted to prove their account? The most absurd request!

The fact that both side corroborate same account should be enuff.

Your elders say its tradition in Benin, Ife say its tradition but your forest-roaming instinct wants a dig.

People are not reckless like you and Willett.

TAO11:
The following is his reply in relation to that.

He was simply mocking your megalomania and your kinsmen's; knowing that you will run away from Ife and run into another kingdoms underlay.

The only shocking thing here is that you never realized even up till now that he was indeed mocking your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.

SMH!

That was his reply to a nairaland Igbo guy that is exploring Eri angle to Benin history, it was not his reply to me or a Benin person.

darfay:
How come nothing but these stories to corroborate it as fact?
Benin city as natives, non of them have said any of this, they should have family houses that looked like what you description

Let me assume that you are genuinely ignorant not to know that the old city was completely burnt down by the British in 1897, the only palace that survived from that era is situated along Sakponba Road.

The Palace is now protected by UNESCO as a world heritage site.

Benin hardly brag about their history unless pushed.

Also check out the link below for evidence of the Wall of Benin.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=257034751865597&id=250714491773177&sfnsn=mo

MetaPhysical:
I reproduced it in clearer texts.

That document supports what you said in Eri being a Priest-King.

I had thought it was Arochuckwu that had Priest-Kings.

The point is a King in the East was above Oba of Benin in supremacy.

We said it couldn't be East....that the King was actually West, not East. But Edos themselves said no that we are wrong. They pointed us to what a Portuguese man said in mid-1500s and said the man was accurate.

That accuracy is what Im exploring. It seems to be yielding fruits based on that document. That was produced by Catherine Acholonu.

I know the Easterners have always said Edos migrated out of Onitsha going by narratives of Olaudah Equaino. What pushed Benin to prominence was contact with Portuguese and Dutch.....and if that contact had not been there Edo would be nobody.

It is beginning to make sense now. However, there is a missing link.

The missing link is the seat of power of that Superior King in East with brass cross. I opened this thread for that discovery.

Thanks for highlighting Eri. From that hint I found Acholonu's document. Read it yourself, it says a lot.

It did not once attribute any divine or kingship power to Bini as a founding member or even a principal source of divine authority from the source in Niger-Benue. It said Oduduwa and Eri held supremacy.

The document even took information from a son of Edo who wrote a book called Great Benin Classics and the book pointed to Supremacy elsewhere, not Benin.

So it agrees again with the claim that what made Benin great was contact with Europeans....among its peers in the native region Benin was inferior, and this agrees with the account of numerous writers, of European origin themselves.

Metaphysical,

You seems to be pursuing your history of Benin as if you have problems and issues with the Benin people, what did they do to you that makes you so angry to be reading your history upside down.

Which Edo told you they migrated out of Onitsha.

It's Onitsha and other western Igbos that claimed to have migrated out of Benin.

Olaudah Equiano actually said his Ibo town was under the rule of Oba of Benin.

Below is what Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe said in his autobiography about how his Onitsha people left Benin.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

TAO11:
How do you know the detailed content of a paper you havent seen or read??

Please share this skill with me, I also need it.

And regarding your question about Oduduwa, I have already answered you since the first time you asked. You need to start reading what you will be replying to.

Also, please point out where I noted that Oduduwa did not exist. You can't afford to start chipping in lies. Leave that to the Benin boys.

Regarding burial, I have addressed that in details on this same thread Go back a few pages to study. I'm sorry you missed it.

You may also refer to the video I have attached inthe above comment for a sneak peek of what to expect.

What do have to say about what your brother Metaphysical wrote below.

Re: Is This Not AROCHUKWU KINGS? Who Is OGANE To The East Of Bini? by MetaPhysical: 12:35pm
I reproduced it in clearer texts.

That document supports what you said in Eri being a Priest-King.

I had thought it was Arochuckwu that had Priest-Kings.

The point is a King in the East was above Oba of Benin in supremacy.

We said it couldn't be East....that the King was actually West, not East. But Edos themselves said no that we are wrong. They pointed us to what a Portuguese man said in mid-1500s and said the man was accurate.

That accuracy is what Im exploring. It seems to be yielding fruits based on that document. That was produced by Catherine Acholonu.

I know the Easterners have always said Edos migrated out of Onitsha going by narratives of Olaudah Equaino. What pushed Benin to prominence was contact with Portuguese and Dutch.....and if that contact had not been there Edo would be nobody.

It is beginning to make sense now. However, there is a missing link.

The missing link is the seat of power of that Superior King in East with brass cross. I opened this thread for that discovery.

Thanks for highlighting Eri. From that hint I found Acholonu's document. Read it yourself, it says a lot.

It did not once attribute any divine or kingship power to Bini as a founding member or even a principal source of divine authority from the source in Niger-Benue. It said Oduduwa and Eri held supremacy.

The document even took information from a son of Edo who wrote a book called Great Benin Classics and the book pointed to Supremacy elsewhere, not Benin.

So it agrees again with the claim that what made Benin great was contact with Europeans....among its peers in the native region Benin was inferior, and this agrees with the account of numerous writers, of European origin themselves.

chronique:
Fuel subsidy removal: a good decision taken too late


I really don't know how I should greet my readers and in what languages I should greet them. I'm a Nigerian not vast at speaking any local language fluently,but will try and greet in English language and the little yoruba language I know.

Congrats on the subsidy removal/happy subsidy removal!(English)

Eku subsidy o!!!(Yoruba)

Now that we're done with the greetings,let's get down to business. Pls,permit me to be as vocal and rude as I want to be. It won't be forever;it will be just this once and the reason I'd like to go that way,is cos I think it's payback time and like you and I know,payback is always a bitch!

I'd love for us,to cast our minds back to january 2012 under the regime of ex-president Goodluck Ebele Jonathan popularly known as GEJ. The PDP government at the time,had concluded that paying subsidy on petroleum products,was a collosal waste of scarce national resources,as the exercise was riddled with monumental fraud,the subsidy itself wasn't getting to the ordinary Nigerians,and that the act of subsidy payment wasn't economically sustainable due to the fact that it only created wealth for a few Nigerians. Government at that time,had decided to take the bull by the horn and do what was right. However,the opposition party at the time,the labour unions,and the oil cartel enjoying the subsidy payments,decided to twist the arms of govt behind,by sponsoring protests to kick against the policy. This protest gave birth to the popular occupy Nigeria protest. Economic activities were shut down for over a month,people couldn't even access cash via ATMs,riots and protests took place at various locations,a lot was said in the media and the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Some irate youths who took to the streets to protest and riot,never made it back home;they were gunned down by trigger happy security agents. The opposition,were very much ready to make the country boil. Government tried in futility to sell this idea to the country,as the very best decision. Some of us who knew this was the right thing to do,tried in our own little ways to educate those around us both one-on-one,and on social media. But our efforts were in futility. We were called all manner of names,maligned so badly,accused of being beneficiaries of the fraud,etc. I took a barage of insults from lots of ignorant folks,arguements became heated and I ended up deleting some friends from way-back,on my facebook. Even my ex-fiancee took part in throwing shades at me and considering we had just broken up,what a perfect opportunity it was for her.
Well,since Nigeria is a land made up of mostly illiterate and ignorant folks,their voices were louder. Negotiations went back and forth and govt jettisioned the idea of a full subsidy removal. Those in power today,were the ones who vehemently opposed the removal of subsidy then. The new government has given us divergent opinions over this subsidy issue. When they were not yet in power,they said there was nothing like subsidy and it was all fraud. They got into power,said there was nothing like subsidy,agreed there was subsidy,back tracked on it,and finally agreed that there was a lot of corruption entangled in the subsidy scheme(the same thing the previous govt said in 2012),and have finally decided to stop paying subsidy. The saying that spectators are always the best players,aptly describes this present govt. Prior to the elections,they had dazzled and bamboozled their teeming supporters with the notion that they had full grasps of how the ideal Nigerian environment should function and work. One of them,a certain Professor David Tam West,had gone on air to do a ludicrous arithmetic of how petrol should be sold for not more than #40 naira per litre. Fans of the new govt had eulogized him and even tipped him to be the incoming petroleum minister. It's amusing that this same "erudite scholar" who had told Nigerians that they could buy PMS for #40 naira,can't help the present govt make that possible. According to unconfirmed statistics,Nigeria spends between $7-8 billion dollars a year on subsidy. If we take the mean of this figure for the last 4 years when subsidy should have been removed,it would give us $7.5 billion dollars a year and when you multiply that by 4,it gives you $30billion dollars in 4 years which amounts to roughly about 5trillion naira in 4 years. This figure sounds too huge to be true and in a bid to give our arguement some kind of credibility,I'd love for us to halve this figure into 2. This would leave us with a conservative figure of about 2.5 trillion naira spent on subsidy in the last 4 years. That's more than half of our previous yearly budgets. In a nutshell,about 2.5 trillion naira has gone into private pockets in the last 4 years. I read a report that stated that Nigeria had spent over 4.5 trillion naira on petrol subsidy in the last 7 years. This was an article published in 2015. It is obvious to every sane person that subsidy should have been removed a long time ago. But the insincerity on the part of politicians in power today,the gullibility of a larger percentage of the populace,and the wickedness and greed that generally permeates the Nigerian society,made this impossible.

In 2012 when subsidy should have been removed,I watched different celebrities(actors and musicians),media practitioners,politicians et al,converge at the popular Ojota garage for days,protesting this noble action. Where are the likes of Seun Kuti,Femi Kuti, KWAM 1, Ras Kimono, Pasuma Wonder, Salawa Abeni, Dede Mabiaku, Eldee, 9ice, Olamide, Ruggedman, Eedris Abdulkareem, Banky W,Ade Bantu,Desmond Elliot, Kunle Afolayan,Bimbo Akintola,Pst Tunde Bakare and others who gathered to dance at Ojoto like witches and wizards in their covens practising witchcraft in excitement? What do they have to say? Do they still want to continue the witchcraft dance at Ojota? Or will they humble themselves to admit they erred in opposing the right decision? These set of people led gullible youths to reject a sound policy,and to encourage profilgacy in the name of subsidy payments. Yes,most of these people are people I personally like in the industry,and some of them are people I have huge admiration and respect for their works. But the truth must be said;they have to tender unreserved apologies to Nigerians,most especially the ignorant youths they misled(those who joined the protest cos they looked up to them as role models).

I am not a fan of Buhari and I have never hidden that fact. Forget about all these integrity gibberish being fed us about him;there are men and women of honor with integrity other than Buhari. Nations all around the world,are looking at electing leaders with charisma and bright ideas and innovations to move their country forward,not old men who should be enjoying their retirement in peace,and acting as elder statesmen. In almost a year of Buhari being in power,we have seen how he has dragged us all back to 1983. Even kids being born today,are being forced to experience the wonders of 1983. It's a shame that in 2015,a country of a 170million Nigerians,couldn't present a better candidate other than a 73 years old leader who had ruled the nation before,to challenge the former president. Everytime I think about it,I almost weep for the youths of my generation.
That being said,I won't act like a hypocrite and join in condemning the subsidy removal;I'm not that stupid. If I supported the policy under Jonathan,why shouldn't I support it under Buhari? The only painful thing is that,we're taking a decision that should have been taken when we still had life in 2012,now that we're almost dead in 2016;I hope and pray we survive it. The naira is almost useless and worthless as at today. Prices of goods and services are already too high and by the time we factor in the subsidy removal,it will further push the cost of goods and services high;how do we navigate this? As painful as it is,as daunting a task as it is,we just have to face it head long. But all in all,this is the only sensible thing I have seen this government do. It's just that it is coming at a bad time.

I read on a few social networks how people are already preparing to do an occupy Nigeria season 2. I hear labour unions are already pushing for a showdown. I'd love to appeal to all those who have this protest and economic shutdown in mind,to please desist from it. They'd only succeed in causing more hardship cos the current Nigerian president is a man that has ears but doesn't listen. If the security agencies kill 1,000 people as a result of this,it won't move him. Infact,as the security agents starts killing you guys,he'd be on the way to the airport to board the Nigerian "Airforce 1" to UK,and from there announce to the world that the Nigerians being killed,are the ones supporting corruption. You and I know that the only thing Buhari knows,is corruption. You can't ask him any question without him adding corruption to the answer. Please,do not disrupt the plans of other people. I have mouths to feed,I have debtors to settle,I have projects to execute and the economy isn't helping right now. The last thing we want is to lose everything we've worked for and invested in. This is the change you were promised;take up your cross and walk. Let's hope that the removal of subsidy would go a long way in sanitizing the oil sector,and that the subsidy funds would be channeled into more profitable ventures.

Once again,"eku subsidy"(happy subsidy).



This article was written by @RIO_BILLS

In all you have written, the simple truth is that Jonathan was a very weak president that shouldn't have come anywhere close to being Nigeria president.

The mark of strong leadership is the ability to make difficult decisions and take difficult actions irrespective of the their consequences.

If Jonathan was convinced that removal of fuel subsidy was good for Nigeria, he should have removed it and heaven wouldn't have fallen but he was too weak to have taken such an important decision. Good thing, he was voted out.

Now that the subsidy have been removed, has the heaven fallen.

Metaphysical,

Whilst I don't intend to carry on with the debate but I just came across what you posted below claiming Idu to be Igbo Eri.

Are the Igbos also claiming Benin the way Yorubas are doing.

Are any Igbos in the house to throw more light on this.

You have also suggested that the Oba Benin of was probably under Nupe/Igala king.

So far, you have claimed Benin for Nupe/Igala, Yoruba and now Igbo.

This Benin everyone from the North, East and West are scrambling to have, most be very special.

Please if you have any more reference of Hausa Fulani claiming Benin, also post it here, I don't see why they should be left out of this scrambling.

Benin is the beautiful bride for all to scramble for, it should be a thing of joy to the Benins that so much is being said and written about their history.

The only sad part is instead of all embracing it as a Nigeria achievements, the way Europe embraces Rome and Greek, different tribes are trying to steal it to themselves rather than share it with the Benins as a common Nigeria heritage.

I sometimes wonders what none Nigerians feel when they read all these.

A Benin man says that the Benin Moat is the greatest man made structure on planet earth according to Guinness book of world records, a Yoruba man will reply with, the Yorubas built it, the Nupe/Igala king send his people to build it or maybe it's was the Igbos that built it.

Why is it that the Yorubas didn't build similar structures or any structure that is internationally acclaimed to be the greatest man made structure on the planet, 4 times the great wall of China and greater than the pyramids of Egypt in Yoruba land like the Benin walls?

When the Benins point to their artworks that adores museums across the world from Australia, Canada, Europe, America and other part of the world, the Yorubas will say it's them that taught the Benins how to make them, or maybe it was the Igalas or Igbos.

Why is it that the Ife artworks don't adore museums across the world like Benin artworks?

When the Benins point to the bight of Benin as a mark of it's greatness, the Yorubas will say republic of Benin/Dahomey was an extension of Ife and was ruled by the Oyo empire.

Why is it that republic of Benin is not called republic of Ife or Oyo?

All these, show the division we continue to experience as a country daily.

Why can't we all share Benin achievements and history as one common heritage without trying to fabricate it.

Why can't we all share and enjoy the music of Davido, Timaya, Flavour etc as one Nigeria without bordering on the ethnicities of these artists

Why can't will enjoy Nollywood movie without seeing it as Igbo movies because must of the actors and actresses are of the Igbo tribe.

Why can't we enjoy and share Nigeria comedy without seeing it as a Delta state thing.

We as people have a long way to go, sometimes, I don't blame the Biafrans that want to run out.


Below is the evidence of Igbo claiming Benin, posted by Metaphysical. Read and enjoy.

MetaPhysical:
TAO,
You have done excellently well on these threads.

Here is Dmitri Bondarenko...

Re: Is This Not AROCHUKWU KINGS? Who Is OGANE To The East Of Bini? by MetaPhysical: 2:00am
Here it is in a clearer text -


Linguists and historians agree that the Niger-Benue river valley was the origin of the dispersal of the Kwa language group of the original Niger-Congo linguistic group of West Africa. Since the Bantu group of languages are dispersed from South-Eastern Nigeria, it stands to reason that Bantu was a child of the Kwa language; and that the Niger-Benue was the center of dispersal of the Niger-Congo languages. Ifi Amadiume argues in African Matriarchal Foundations that the Egyptian civilization was an offshoot of this indigeneous West African civilization, and that numerous examples of Igbo cognates in a wide range of Bantu languages support the thesis of an Igbo/South-Eastern Nigerian origin of the Bantu languages. Eri/Idu was the representative of God on Earth.

The fact that Eri/Idu was the great potentate of the Niger Congo/Niger-Benue civilization that grew out of post-deluge Nigeria, is confirmed by the Benin/Edo records of the deluge as narrated in Osaren Omoregie's Great Benin classics. In Great Benin, the oral traditions of the Edo people of Nigeria claims that a post-deluge civilization established , nurtured and upheld by Idu, the survivor of the deluge was located near the waters of the River Niger, then known as Ohinmwi, or Great River. In this Edo/Benin story, the flood which submerged all habitable lands was called Iso Norho. God (Oghene) after saving Iduu/Idu from the floods piled up sand and ceated a plateau on which he ordered Idu to build a temple with a high tower. Idu did as he was told and subsequently became the great representative of God on earth. Idu was the first high priest of God, king and way-shower all combined. He established the first shrine/temple for the worship of the Supreme Being, and it became the first city - a divine palace of God, the first human habitation. "He chose a place at the crest of the territory and mustered the efforts of the people to build a palace for Oghene there. He himself lived there, and he became known as the people's earthly Oghene. Where the palace was built was called Uduwa and he himself was called Oduduwa. ...Oduduwa, Idu, Oghene of Uhe".

Idu/Eri as the representative of God on earth is in consonance with Thoth being the representative of the Dweller on earth: "Emissary on earth am I of the Dweller". The fact that the Yoruba tribe of the Kwa linguistic group claims that the ancestral founder of their tribe was a person called Oduduwa implies that they too were among the descendants of Iduu/Eri. Not only was Iduu the representative of God on earth, he was also revered as the one who received from God/Oghene the power to rule the world and stabilize it. In the Great Benin myth Idu is also called by the divine title Erinmwidu (equivalent Igbo expression: Eri wu Idu) - "Eri is Idu". This title indicates that Eri is the very person whom the Edo tribe calls Idu.

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MetaPhysical:
Samuk,
You cant keep mixing apples and oranges bunching unrelevant issues with ongoing discussion here.

This is about Benin and a Greater King to the East, called Ogane, to whom Oba of Benin is inferior.

Focus on that.

Here is where we are...

You have admitted that deBarros is correct in his account.

You have also preferred that this greater monarch be called PRIEST.

You agreed there is a town to EAST of Benin and is an EDO town.

We need to move forward from here and focused.


Now, you do know in those past centuries monarchs were called Priest-Kings. Correct?

DeBarros used Monarch, Prince (which you called Priest) and King...to ascribe authority to this Supreme leader.

So a Priest-King to the East of Bini had superiority over Oba of Benin. Oba must get permission from him for coronation.

You said this place was an Edo town. Name the town please.

Cc
TAO11

Do you have problems with the English language or English language comprehension?

Where did I admit to anything you presented in my submission?

I actually cast doubt in your source of evidence by saying, we have to verify if that statement was ever made by any Benin king, then we have to sort out the contradiction on the title of the supposed powerful monarch/prince, then will move to the location.

I pointed out to you that King and Prince met different things and your source used the title prince more than once.

I even asked and suggested that your source may have been referring to a shrine or an Oracle and not a king at all.

I suggested the location to be a town in old Benin kingdom.

Your fixation with a powerful king is not making you read properly.

I repeat, I didn't agree to any of your submission, hope others will read and translate my English to you in Yoruba.

MetaPhysical:
Thats what this thread is about to find the foreign King greater than Oba of Benin.

So you agree there was indeed a Priest to the East greater than your Oba.

You said he is in Edo town. Name the town.


For reference.....

Now, the statement that every new Oba of Benin sort validation from this Ogane, have to be verified to be true, after that we have to sort out the inconsistency in the titles used, monarch and prince which was likened to their supreme pontiff.

Was this a shrine or some sort of Oracle that has to be notified of a new Oba like we still do in Benin.

Even your submission have rubbished the fabrication that dead oba of Benin were exhumed and taken to Ife to be reburied.

This is one of the primary evidence people like TAO11 and other Yorubas based their arguments of Benin/Ife connections.

We are now fairly sure that this Ogane if any was not the Ooni of Ife and not the Atta of Igala as you suggested.

In the absence of any strong evidence to back up another powerful king and kingdom in 15c and 16 centuries, my hunch is that your source was probably referring to an Oracle or a shrine somewhere in the old Benin kingdom which I already alluded to in another thread but until further research is done, I will not give you guys the opportunity to distract from the search of true history of old Benin.

Most of you guys are not here for true history but tribal supremacy, that's not history, history should be a search of the truth and shared heritage that should be celebrated.

Are you not curious that in the 400 years of European contact with Benin, they didn't find it curious or necessary to visit this almighty Ogane.