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sauceny:
I want Nigerians to know that The Synagogue Church Of All Nation is harbouring not less than a 100 South Africans here in Nigeria..... Just in case.

Lolz... Just in case Nigerians are planning to retaliate ?


BTW, Why is TB Joshua claiming South Africa now

Hahahahahaha! When cemetery workers are fighting tooth and nail to be the head and they don't care who dies, it's business as usual to them

Redoil:
Let us wait for the certificatless general to come and foolishly throw MTN DSTV and shoprite out of nigeria?

Use your head and refuse to be stupid. GEJ is still the president. If anyone is to do a thing, it's GEJ and not GMB because he still call the shots.

I believe it's way too early to claim it is 'greater' than Ebola, particularly when the origin is yet to be discovered. Ebola is 'powered' by a virus. Until the root cause is reached, it would be unfair to misinform the public.

Just did... #223. All the best!

crazysaint:
Nothing as sweet as watching porn in this life.

Did you say "nothing as sweet"?

Hahahaha! This is epic !


BTW, was he given the new laptop to continue watching or just to compensate him or for mere stunt

efilefun:
yet some gullible ones hate him cuz of this qualities

Honestly, no one hates him for his qualities. Bigotry and 'our brother' mentality is why some people hate on him.

Koro Thugs will be thugs anytime, anyday!

Holy Spirit!!! What sort of illness is this I think the WHO should be alerted on this ASAP! I pray they contain it for good.

Ishilove
Lalasticlala
Seun

You just have to love this man when he speaks. He oozes with confidence and certainty.

efilefun:
The plan might be by tinubu but the project actually started under fashola

That's not true. The BRT lanes were already under construction during Tinubu's time and rumour had it that some 'London-like' buses had been bought before Fashola even ascended. Fashola only completed what Tinubu started as far as the BRT is concerned.

jcross19:
what is the meaning of heavenly host? Did the mention angels in the beginning? Are you telling me that in the creation of earth and heaven simply means that angels were in not in existent if there were not mentioned? The government of God differ from ours okay as for there is a rules and regulations in heaven those that were offenders will be cast out that was the case of the fallen angels. See let me explain to you the government of God: angels - arch angels - principality - virtues - powers - dominions - thrones(24 elders falls to this category)-cherubums - seraphims -God himself. The arch angels are the seven spirit of God that always stand before God according to match luke 1vs19. In ephesian 6 vs 12 talk about principality and powers these are part of heavenly's own before they failed. Bible was written in a mighty forms if you don't ask spirit of understanding to on you ,you won't understand it.know in that rev.4vs6-9 you will see that they were with crown. These are the people they call thrones in heavens they have their own branches or kingdom as well but been ruled by one I mean one king this is part of reason they call God king of kings.pray for God to reveal it to you.basic.

It seems you're more concerned with winning an argument than learning.

To disappoint you, angels were mentioned at the at the beginning. They were there but did not come to play, not until Gen 3:24. Lucifer was an angel before his fall, how come he was able to come into the garden? Please go back to your Bible to keep yourself informed. Angels manifested from Gen 3:24 to Revelations. And to think you wrongly applied Ps 104:4 earlier by saying the Elders are flaming fire is a bit shameful for a believer to say. Please go and study harder.

Surprisingly, most of what you wrote were not demanded, hence the need to respond to them is irrelevant. And since you are very much vast in knowledge about the government of God, I'd like your next response to explain in details the roles and function of each arm, particularly their position when God make decisions. Again, let's not digress from the main subject matter. Please pray for understanding better. You honestly need it. This is about learning, not winning any argument because there's none in the first place

Jcross19, I hope this helps you.

Ezekiel 1:4-25

"4. I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the North - an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The centre of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5. and in the FIRE was what looked like FOUR LIVING CREATURES...13. The appearance of the living creatures was like BURNING COALS OF FIRE OR LIKE TORCHES. FIRE MOVED BACK AND FORTH AMONG THE CREATURES; it was bright and lightning flashed out of it..."

Please do some intensive study of this passage. It is an interesting read. And try to get proper interpretations of Scriptures before giving them out to people

Shalom!

jcross19:
don't say what you don't know about God the bible is there to open yours a bit to know the truth a the supreme optimum God. In isaiah 1:18 shows God love associates , conversing with people and show God have kingdoms he rule unpon. Check ezekiel 28 vs 12 to 18 you will see that God is not the only one in His government. Then psalm 104vs 4 says: blessed be unto God who made his angels to be a spirits and His minister to be a flaming fire. Then who are the minister of God in that verse referring to ? Man of God or prophets .you better for God understanding the word of God.God is a everlasting king and He has the cabinets that rule with him, 24 elders are part of them.

You obviously missed some points. I'll ask some questions and I expect you answer them in the negative or the affirmative.

1. Did the Bible mention that the Elders were with God from the start?

2. Did the Bible mention that Christ was with God at the beginning? (Read John 1:1-6)

3. Did the Bible also make any reference to the Spirit of God before Creation? (Gen 1:1)

With this questions being answered, you would agree with me that I mentioned earlier that the Trinity was very much active at the time of Creation. With Jesus and the Spirit of God, the third person description "us" would not come into play. Please note that the Elders are NOT part of His government as you claimed because He does not operate a democratic or earthly kind of government.

It seems you already answered the question on who angels, ministers and flaming fire are, I'd gladly tell you that you didn't answer some of them rightly.

To arrive at this, we must look at the word "minister".

It means a messenger or a servant. I talked about this on another thread yesterday. A minister is a servant or a messenger and his duty is to DO the will of his lord (Note: lord is not spelt "Lord".

Also, to get a better understand of Ps 104:4, I'd recommend you use an NIV or any other than the KJV. Again, you wrongly assumed the ministers of God in Ps 104:4 are the Elders whereas the passage said "He made his ministers (servants or messengers) flames of fire.

Again I ask, was there a time the Bible described the Elders as flaming fires? Are the Elders servants or messengers according where you suggested?

To help you out, the MINISTERS being referred to are ANGELS but not your regular angels. They are called SERAPHS and they are the closest to God as their main tasks are to worship God for who He is. Seraphs or Seraphim Angels are "ministers", servants or messengers like other Angels but their task is by the Throne, to worship day and night.

Thus, when Ps 104:4 says "Who maketh His angels spirit; His ministers flaming fire" it meant the angels are as winds while the Seraphs who worship at the Throne are as fire.

Seraphims literally mean "The burning ones" - Eze 1:4-25, and these Seraphs each have six wings - Isa 6:2; Rev 4:6-8.

I wouldn't want us to digress from the reason why the OP created this thread but I'd advise that you read the passages I provided before giving a rebuttal.

dolphinheart:
Who wrote the book of enoch and when was it written

There are more things to the Bible than mere understanding. Please note the word "Jewish" and "Judaic" then go online to do your research on how the popular books in the Bible was done

1. Copy and paste a topical issue with a trusted source on any of the sections.

2. To see to #1, be sure such topics have not been earlier created by anyone on the forum.

3. Bring up a debatable topic which could engage all and ask people to contribute. Be sure to keep the content simple and witty.

4. Stalk lalasticlala, 105% of his topics make FP. Also stalk dre11, he is a crime reporter and he seems to be doing it well

5. Use the 'New' icon to view EVERY new topic on the forum. This gives you a higher probability and you stand a chance to make FTC. Ammyluv2002 does this well.

6. Follow two sections of your choice and you could be the first to comment on threads as they are dished out. Careful though. Trolling and space booking comes with a ban now. Ask Ishilove about this.

7. Confirmed celebrity Facebook, Twitter or Instagram fights or clashes make FP comfortably.

8. Make animal threads or list of extinct breeds of dogs or any other creature. This is Seun's weakness.

9. "Trending" threads are potential FP materials, though not all.

10. Thank me later.

Nice try. That's obviously a lie.

@Biblespeaks, I don't want to go deeper into the formation of the Scriptures and I wouldn't want us to exhbit dogmatism. We should be given to study acceptance of possible truths, based on the revelations of the Holy Spirit. To confirm a bit about this, why not read Jude 1:14-15.

InZA:
Sanchez01


I must really commend you for how detailed you've been in crystallizing the ministry of the arch-angels. I thoroughly enjoyed everything you wrote, even though I don't agree with some of them, but since I don't have raw counter facts at the moment, I would leave my contradictory opinion till another time.

That said, there was something that kept on cropping up in your exegesis of the workings of angels - "When you call upon". As much as I've come to know as a Christian, angels should neither be prayed to or "called upon"... I say this cautiously though because I know angels are among other things, basically ministering spirits and at such in prayer they can be called upon in such a way as " In the name of Jesus, Angels I command you to go to the East and the West and bring my breakthrough".

But the way you emphatically used "call upon" It's like you're ignoring the authority of Jesus or the authority in the name of Jesus as the only and absolute force that drives any form of help or deliverance or miracle etc.


You seem to be "deityfying" the arch angels... Please correct me if I'm not fully understanding you.

Thank you so much for your observation. Like I previously mentioned, the problem in churches today is that they don't preach or talk about Angels. The answer to this could be for several reasons. Albeit, they have the congregation to suffer as most of these congregation don't know what should be done in some cases.

Unfortunately, the white garment churches are the only few who understand that these angels are "ministering beings". Please bear in mind that I've never worshipped in a white garment church before though.

Although there are several Arch-angels, their "ministries" are never the same.

But before I proceed, I'd like us to look at the meaning of the word 'minister'.

To minister means to "Serve" or "be a servant". Thus, when Joshua was described as Moses' minister, it meant he was Moses' Servant (Exo 24:13; Num 11:28)

When "we call on Angels", we are simply asking them to do things on our behalf; we're sending them on errands or we're asking them to "minister" to us.

And it would be right to quickly point out that Angels are above humans but in a little way (Ps 8:5). "What is man that you have placed him a little lower than the Angels?"

So, knowing that we're beneath them, it is expected that we revere them. Some, on seeing Angels in the Bible, fell to their face to worship because of their majesty. We are not permitted to worship them but we're permitted to 'put them to use' by calling on them to 'minister' to us.

For people who may be awe-struck by these beings, they may end up focusing on them, rather than God. 'Deitifying' them in the process, possibly.

By saying "we're to call on them", again, means we recognize that we have them at our beck and call and rather than disturb Christ with little petitions, Angels, be it arch or the regular, are always there to make things work out. However, there's a VERY thin line between calling on them and deitifying them which makes it a bit risky for someone who does not understand how to go about it.

Please note that Michael, Gabriel, Uriel and Raguel are the most common or widely known today. Unfortunately, you hardly find a church today preach on Angels and their ministries and this is because the understanding is not there. Lucifer was in charge of Music and Worship before his fall and could not be described as the most powerful of them all but the most loved by God because he had access to the Throne.

Again, there's a great difference between the Son of Man and Arch-Angel Michael. They're never the same and they never will be

For more reads:
http://www.angelfocus.com/archangels.htm
http://www.angelsbysharae.com/ArchangelsList.html


Shalom!

Mo fe ya aworan were

Iamsynord:
The tanoids tho .
Myself and a tan member were in Church and the Choir raised a Song which goes thus .
" Somebody say baba".
" Somebody say baba ".
Baba baba baba.
The tanoid refused to sing .On asking him why ,he replied
They are praising Buhari. Sai Baba.Since when did the wind of change fall on the church ??
I will not join them in saying any baba

Hahahahaha! This is EPIC

Rilwayne001:
I'm not trying to do so too



Okay. never heard of such though.



Lol.

I download one 6th and 7th book of moses from google.
When I couldn't grab the nonsense in it, I deleted it.

Lolz... I'm itching to read it though. Reading it with an open mind should do the trick