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MaxInDHouse:
The WAS refers to the time he walked the earth just like Moses who served as God for a period of time.

This is serious. Are you the one who wrote this? This is concerning.

MaxInDHouse:
Absalom is no longer a worshiper of God by the time he decided to kill Jehovah's anointed King so God's servants serving the same Jehovah never raise weapons against themselves it has always been an enemy of God's will who has been won over by Satan that will lift a weapon against God's organization!

Wrong answer. Return to our earlier conversation and give proves to all the cases servants of God fought, and show us scripturally when those ones served other gods.

MaxInDHouse:
"In the beginning" says God's word {John 1:1} that shows someone has a beginning definitely not the Almighty God!

The WAS is in the imperfect tense. By using the imperfect tense, John is conveying that the Word's existence was not a fleeting moment or a point in time with a beginning. Instead, it suggests a continuous existence in the past, before the creation event described in Genesis 1:1 (which is echoed by "In the beginning...".

Just make research.

MaxInDHouse:
Bible says:

“You must not murder." Exodus 20:13

Killing only comes to mind when God declares the judgement but against our fellow worshipers Jehovah's Witnesses has never done that because it's MURDER from the standpoint of our God.
So if your own people are fighting and killing their fellow worshipers know that they are not worshipers of our God!

That commandment was there even when David army fought with Absalom. And when Jepthar fought with his brothers.

MaxInDHouse:
He was a spirit being like God the same nature of angels.

The construction won't support that. The WAS in that scripture shows existence of the son prior to the beginning. Obviously something more than spirit. And the grammatical setting shows that what God's nature is, the Son is.

MaxInDHouse:
Where most people don't notice is the past tense used in the Bible:


John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ‭NIV‬


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. KJV


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. NWT

None said "the word is God" rather they all said the word WAS God.

WHY?

Because Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and Moses WAS a God! Exodus 7:1

The verb "was" is used, implying a state of existence before being manifested in Jesus. It is consistent with the earlier "WAS the word".

The use of theos in John 1 for Jesus is not the same with that of Moses. The word God in John 1 is saying that the Word is of the same Divine nature as God with whom the Word was with.

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares what you think?
Ọmọ there can never be enemies dividing God's camp so it's either you are for or against God in or out!

I care about what the bible says.

The following will help us get a gleams of Gods complex nature. Why the phrase, one essence, three persons is fitting is because of some scriptures that suggests so.

1. Matt 28

19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

Here we see singular name, but three persons.

JWs will say that the Holy Spirit is not a person. If that were true, the Holy Spirit wouldnt appear here since the Father already has been mentioned.

At Genesis we see this sungular nature, but more than one persons being repeated in some verses.

Gen 1:26

"Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness... "

"God" Is singular, but he says let "us", and also in " OUR" image and not imageS. Of course, we know we are made in God's image, not image of two individuals. This helps us see that there is a sense in which God is both one, and more than one at the same time. Scholars have identified that this One is in reference to his nature, while in personhood, He is three.

At Genesis 3:5 satan said that Eve will be like God if she eats the fruit. Now notice a shocking statement by God at verse 22:

"...Here the man has become like one of US in knowing good and bad... "

Did you see that? Instead of God saying the man has become like me, he rather said has becime like one of US, plural, yet the one speaking is Jehovah, singular. This is even more significant if youre a JWs, since among JWs, the knowledge is a special knowledge of determining what is moral good and bad. This is especially reserved for the Almighty who is the Universal Sovereign. Ok, now we are seeing another Sovereign. Well, is it not tre that only the Father and the Son that is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords? Obviously Universal Sovereign.

See another example at Genesis 11

7 Come! Let US go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”

From verse 6, we see that only Jehovah is the one speaking, as if speaking to himself, but in verse 7, he says let US. Plural. Now from verse 8, we see that the one who scattered their language is still Jehovah, singular. The account didn't mention that he was speaking to anyone but himself.

Side note: I believe that the word Jehovah is probably the name of God's nature. It wasnt only used for the Father in the scriptures.

We can see that in one sense, God is one, and in another more than one. Trinity is the effort made to bring all that the sceiptures has to say about God in one name. One Nature, three persons.

There are other examples of this singular in one sense and plural in another sense in the scriptures, but I will stop here for now.


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italkdlonly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeUtVZLDuWc

Deeper Life Ghana National Overseer, Pastor Edward Kofi Twumsiah, shares his scriptural reasoning behind the belief that it is unbiblical for a wife not to bear her husband's name.

He make this declaration at the concluded Deeper Life Global Easter Retreat.

He made a good point. The culture of a wife bearing the husband's name was not present during the bible time.

However, in ancient biblical jewish society that is largely patrilineal, the culture of a woman bearing the husbands name would have been accepted, after all, it wasn't cultural to have a woman's name in their genealogical records. Today's society is coming up with different worldview not known during the bible era.

This subject shouldn't be a huge issue. Let a family decide how theirs will run. If the husband approves the wife to use her fathers name, then that's ok. What should be borne in mind is that the husband is the head of his wife from God's point of view.

MaxInDHouse:
And i've been fully prepared for this very moment that's why i keep telling you not to tag me again in your thread because you refused to face me directly.

So if truly you want this then start a new thread for just the two of us preferred title:

"Are Jehovah's Witnesses Right Claiming Only One Group Belongs To Christ?"

You already know my stand that there can't be two groups claiming Christians yet contradicting themselves in teachings so if you are sure of yourself come out plainly just you and i let others give their likes and shares for whoever is hitting the point!

Another wrong answer. Last chance.

MaxInDHouse:
You read but got lost due to mischief you concentrated on letters not minding what the spirit of God in doing:

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2Corinthians 3:6

War is a sign of disunity and God is not for confusion but peace! 1Corinthans 14:33

So whatever makes war erupt it means a party is not doing God's will both can't be doing God's will yet fighting against themselves that is impossible read what Jesus said and think about it:

“Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand." Matthew 12:25

Both sides can't be fighting for God and at the same time killing themselves nah.

Haba! Are you saying Satan succeeded in turning God's own camp against themselves?
Abeg what will the angels be doing at that particular time?

Wrong answer. Your last chance.

Janosky:
Oga, STOP LYING.
Isaiah 6:1-3 is praising ONLY Jehovah.
Oga, JW's NEVER at all claimed that Isaiah 6:1-3 gave praise or worship to Jesus.


JW's referenced Isaiah 6:8 that "US" included Jesus.
Yahweh the God Almighty said "whom shall I send?"
Jesus did NOT give that command in Isaiah 6:8.

The Jews & Bible scholars referenced "US" to mean Yahweh speaking to the divine assembly of angels, heavenly beings in the court of heaven, Psalms 82:1, Job 1:6.

The "US" Implies that jesus enjoyed glory alongside his father. That is my point there. The study pane says:

The use of the plural pronoun “us” indicates that at least one other person was with God in this vision. So it is reasonable to conclude that when John wrote that Isaiah “saw his glory,” this refers to Jesus’ prehuman glory alongside Jehovah

This is the same with Rev 5:13, 14 from my view. Notice whom John said Isaiah saw:

John 12:41
41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him."

Whose glory did Isaiah see as reported by John? And how many person is represented by the "his"?

Refer to Isaiah
1 In the year that King Uz·ziʹah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.

How many persons did Isaiah say he saw there?

Gabrielshow24:
Typical slitherin' move 😁, don't be surprised he has more up his sleeves 🐍.

I am ready for him.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
They are not worshipers of the same God!

This is where you got everything wrong!

As a worshiper of Jehovah you must keep your senses to know who is on the side of Jehovah not just following the crowd.
Jehovah has never been in support of two opposing sides so it's you who needs to pay rapt attention to know who is doing Jehovah's will.

During the time Joshua led the Israelites to conquer Jericho the inhabitants of that city could have been neutral if they knew Jehovah's will but since only Rahab used her brain to figure out who is having Jehovah's backing she supported God's will.

Now go back to those events and think deeply about each pair of opposing sides, meditate on what each side is fighting for, i'm sure you will know which side Jehovah is before the conquest.

That's exactly what you are missing today.

All the religions on this planet are in one side while the only true religion is on the other side so which one is the only true religion?

If you're not interested in knowing that then i'm sorry for you!

Wrong answer. Respond to those scriptures and prove scrioturally that they were not worshioing jehovah and try again.

Maximus692:
God is not pleased with people killing people yet his worshipers should be pleased to fight and kill one another!

No, not again. Don't escape those scriptures I gave. Read those scriptures and try again.

Maximus692:
So your god is that useless that it's own worshipers as in it's loyalists will carry weapons against themselves despite being worshipers of the same god?

Haba!

Is this how hatred for truth has blurred your senses?

Ọmọ the meaning of that title "God" is "Supreme Being" so get it straight into your brain that no supreme person feels OK when his or her loyalists are fighting against themselves.

Jesus said:

“Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand." Matthew 12:25

So how can you be in your right senses thinking God's children who are fighting spiritually in support of His kingdom will be fighting and killing themselves?

Ọmọ you're sick o!

Is it that you don't read scripture or you read but do not believe it? Didn't David's army fight Absalom and his Israelites army, who all were worshiping the same God? (2sam 18)

Didn't Jephthah fight his Ephraimite brothers, and God made Jephthah win? (Judges 11; 12)

Didn't Ahimelech kingship after killing his brothers, eventually result in a civil in Shechem? (Judges 9)

Are all these not worshiping the same God? War is not fun, God himself doesn't like people killing themselves for no just course, whether they are His children or not. But situations can lead to war. if we say that God is against war, how then will you explain these obvious wars fought by His faithful servants? If you're saying joining the army is a sin, you're calling God a sinner and his bible servants sinners. God authorized wars, took a side in conflicts, called Himself Jehovah of armies.

I understand that you can't accept because that is not what your GB teach. It's ok, but unfortunately the bible has examples of wars God supported. Of His worshipers fighting another of His worshipers. There is nothing they can do about that.

This doesn't mean he enjoys the show, but this is part of what he allows in this side of heaven. This is one issue that should be left for personal decision.

achorladey:
That's what many still captured in that captive organisation see but are too deluded or have high cognitive dissonance to know what hit them. The very thing they point fingers at others as being false Christians is the very thing they do and say they are true Christians.

Where it is sickening the most is that being a Christian have being watered down to being one of Jehovah's Witnesses and what led them to that is the fact that they cannot stop redefining terms to match their lies and manipulations of the scripture and even their own religious publications.

They need help.

achorladey:
I love this response to him. That's the way of the hypocrite. He will say he will avoid you or you should avoid him then when you post a thing that knows are true and exposes the lies and manipulations of his religious organization, he will respond in order to deflect it, minimise it or make people draw their attention away from it.

The bold is a crime in the land of Jehovah's Witnesses especially members who leave. Yet that's what Russell was saying when he said they won't be identified under any name but simply Christians

I don't blame them. It is lack of personal bible study that left them where they are.

Janosky:
Isaiah 6:1-3 references Jehovah
Jesus Christ wasn't given a throne until after his ransom sacrifice & ascension to heaven.
Oga, @ John 17:4-5,24, did Jesus Christ support your claim?
Not at all.
V4, "Father, I have glorified you on the earth"
V5, "Father, glorify me at your side (in heaven) with the glory I had before creation of the world "

V24 "Father,I want those you have given me to be with me where I am (in heaven,1 Thess 4:17) & see the glory you have given me.....before creation of the world ".

Matthew 4:10, (Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy 6:13.)
In John 4:24, did Jesus teach you to worship 2 different spirits?
Oga, don't be deceiving yourself.

Shalom.

In your JW Library study pane, your organization agrees that Jesus pre human existence is referenced in that Isaiah 6:1-3. They only added that his father was there too. This agrees with my post. In fact that study pane even quoted Genesis 1:26 and that implies that jesus is part of the God there.

Maximus692:
You may join them nah as for God's true organization we are no part of the world!

I don't see how I chose to worship my God is your concern. Did I dedicate my life to you to do your will? If you dedicated your life to an organization to do their will, that is your business. If I see someone preaching the word of God, I will listen to the word. I don't care the church name. If you're on fire for jesus, you're my brother, it doesn't matter the church the word is coming from, if it is consistent with the bible, I am in.

I have said it time without number, I am not into institution name, I am for Christ. Don't tell me join A or B. I am join to someone already, Christ my Savior. If you belong to GB or belong to Russel or Rutherford. I belong to Christ.

Courz:
Exactly. Well said! No religion can lay claim to God and Jesus. They can use anyone to make themselves known. Once I realised that Relationships are valued more than Religion by God and Jesus, my life has changed positively. I like that this lady was an Atheist yet God chose her for a purpose which eventually led her to God and Christ. I have realised that Religions like to put God and Jesus in a Box due to man made doctrines. Their wisdom is unmatched such that you cannot tell their moves like how religions like to do. I believe these NDEs are here to stay and it is God's way of increasing knowledge just as the Bible says would happen in the Last days.

You're right. No one can put in a box. He wants relationship. Church A or B doesn't concern God. Churches cause disunity in the body and even obstructs God's plans sometimes. Randy Kay has mentioned this point before. In fact God's next revival will put institutions behind and favour individuals, some of who are not institution based worshioers. Don't think that the increasing evangelism on social media's like TikTok, YouTube etc is random. I feel the next move of God would be in families, individuals and not insitution based.

achorladey:
I remember in the field ministry where we are asked to read galatians 5: about things of the flesh which include sects. We are taught to tell others that since sect is part of the things of the flesh, then all other religious organization seen as sectarian are fleshy in their set up.

They lie and keep manipulating people that they are not a sect. I wonder what they identify as Buddhist and not christian

The self deception is concerning. How someone will benjn Christendom, yet he is saying he is not in Christendom. Don't they have dictionaries?

From the first century to the early 19th century, who have been preaching Christ and spreading Christianity? Is it Russel that has not yet been born?

He now came up to form his own apostate sect of Christianity, then his followers are saying they are not kn Christendom. Then they are in Islam or Hinduism. Or perhaps a cult.

You remember that was how they were saying during the time of Rutherford that they were not religion. That Religion is an error and a racket. But maybe someone that reads dictionary came up to tell them that they are religion. So they now agree. Theirs is also a religion. It's sickening.

Janosky:



All the stuff in your posts can NOT CHANGE Jesus teaching of John 14:28, John 12:49-50 &1 Corinthians 11:3 you desire to undermine.

More so, when you Sand2022 know that Jesus teaching of John 17:22-24 expressly says that the same glory he had before creation would be shared to the disciples.
verse 22
"I have given them the glory that you gave me,
that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory,
the glory you have given me
because you loved me before the creation of the world."

Oga , no dey deceive yourself.

That's not what jesus was saying there. The glory he was tling his father was the one he gave them already on earth. This glory will help them to be United with the Father and Jesus. At John 17:5 is a glory prior to the World's creation.

At Isaiah 6;1-3 we see the glory jesus enjoyed, worship was included. If you read the scriptures honestly if will help you better.

NEWBIN:
Jws
do u believe God speaks to men through dreams in our times?

What are your reasons?

They don't. They don't believe in any supernatural visions, healings, angelic appearances or dreams in our time. They believe all that passed away after the apostles died. They believe that these gifts were given by the laying of hands of the apostles or during their presence. So when the apostles died, the gift ceased.

Of course they're wrong. The gift is not tied to the apostles. God is the one distributing the gift. Ananias was not an apostle, it was evidently through him that apostle Paul got his laying of hand.

OLAADEGBU:
Pastor W.F. Kumuyi Leading Prayer at President Trump's Inaugural Prayer and Praise Meeting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR51x8PbQi8

I am happy he was the one chosen to say that prayer. Deeperlife is quite different from other churches. Kumuyi is doing a great job in the body of Christ.

In 1 Peter 4:11, Peter concludes a charge with reverent praise to God the Father:
"Whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (1 Peter 4:11, ESV)

This doxology—ending with "Amen"—is reverential and worshipful. It is a form of praise directed not to the audience but to the Almighty God, who is not present as a recipient within the letter’s readership. Such exalted praise is a marker of divine honor.
Interestingly, similar expressions of glory and praise—concluded with "Amen"—are directed to Jesus Christ as well:

"...who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16, ESV)

And again:

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." (2 Peter 3:18, ESV)

These doxologies affirm that such glorifying language is not reserved solely for the Father, but also given to the Son. This is not competitive but complementary. When we worship the Father, we do not exclude the Son, and when we honor the Son, the Father is not excluded either. Rather, they share in the glory and worship. This is echoed in Jesus’ prayer:

"And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." (John 17:5, ESV)
This shared glory is also seen in Revelation 5:13–14, where both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) receive worship from all creation:

"And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' and the elders fell down and worshiped." (Revelation 5:13–14, ESV)

This unity in glory between the Father and the Son is not new; it existed before the world began. The prophet Isaiah describes a scene of divine worship:

"In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings... And one called to another and said: 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!'" (Isaiah 6:1–3, ESV)

John later identifies the recipient of that vision as Jesus:

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him." (John 12:41, ESV)

Thus, just as in Revelation 5, the Father and the Son share in divine worship, so too in Isaiah’s vision and John’s interpretation, the Son is seen as the one glorified.

The distinction arises not in essence, but in role. When the Son took on flesh for the purpose of redemption, He assumed a subordinate role—one in which He could say, "My God," reflecting His humanity and mission. Yet, this subordination in role does not diminish His divinity. It adds a redemptive function to His identity, while His divine nature remains fully intact—equal in essence and worthy of the same eternal glory.

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Courz:
This is a testimony from a Lady. A former Atheist, who was taken to Heaven and Hell years ago as an unbeliever. This is not an NDE Experience because her Spirit was taken to Heaven. Her experience is similar to many other testimonies of people who experienced Heaven. She was specifically chosen by God for this experience in order for her to work on herself and share the full details of what she saw with unbelievers and the whole body of Christ. When she got there, she realised she was not the only one as there were others like her who were taken to Heaven for the same purpose.

She gives very vivid details of all the things she saw in Heaven. Angel Gabriel was assigned to her to deliver messages and instructions of things she will see and do while he gave her some Tour. Almighty God was behind her, explaining things she saw and giving her instructions. She described his voice to be the Voice of many waters which is Biblical. She also says the Voice sounded like the voice of Two people but yet one person. She later understood that it was actually Jesus in the Father and the Father in Jesus. She was not permitted to see God’s Face and certain areas in Heaven.

The lady was also shown a Feast taking place over there which was The Marriage of the Lamb recorded in the Book of Revelations.

She was then taken to Hell and shown what it is like when we are not in the presence of God. She explains how she had to work on herself and realised God was not in support of her relationship between her and the Father of her Children. She needed to cut it off as a demonic entity/influence was attached to that Toxic relationship based on Trauma.

Watch and be blessed as we reflect on the Sacrifice our Kings of Kings and Lord of Lords made for us, risen to Life and conquering Death forever, for we who have been called to the Heavenly Kingdom. May this testimony draw you closer to my Heavenly Father and my Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

Sand2022, you will love this testimony.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js-T-4r62HM?si=EgoBlifEXmUAA_yg

I enjoyed it. You see NDEs is among the reasons I see all of us as the body of Christ not minding the church name. Many j have watched that experienced the love of God when they see him acknowledge that God doesn't see us by our church name but as individuals. He is more interested in our having a personal relationship with Him and showing love for our family and neighbors. He is not interested in the name of your church. And His interest is not so much on works.

That is why I pay less attention to church name, but want to have a personal relationship with my maker.

He desires that time in your private house that you sing praises to him and worship him than your church attendance. He wants you to communicate him and praise Him everyday, both in your minds and thoughts. When you sing praises in your mind, and talk to him as if He is there in your midst, that is much more important to Him than church attendance.

Maximus692:
Body of Christ hating, fighting and killing themselves.
Hilarious indeed!

And the JWs took the worse divisive path by forming a sect within Christianity and severe association with other members of the body of Christ. That is apostasy.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny atheist!
God promised to unite people of all the nations and use what is written in His word to help them resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves divert their resources into production of food and information materials stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
The Watchtower has achieved this today throughout the world only adherents of the Watchtower are no more into worldly politics that's leading people into killing people instead they are becoming united the more they study the material together and you are here calling that "indoctrination" shey?
If indoctrination could uproot racism and hatred in the hearts of people from different countries throughout the world abeg i will love to be INDOCTRINATED again and again and again in fact i will love to be INDOCTRINATED forever!

Don't mistake false unity to true unity. Fighting wars is of God himself. I don't know how the GB has blinded your eyes into seeing that Jehovah himself called himself Jehovah of ARMIES. In the future Jesus is coming with the anointed ones to fight mother of all wars, Armageddon. So, some individuals you know today, even members of your GB believe they will join in that war.

While world without war is sweet and can be emotional soothing, it is not the truth found in the bible.

The bible portion you quoted will fulfill in God's new world, not in this age. Unity is achieved through love of Christ, not love of tax collectors and sinners who love only those who love them and hate those who doesn't.

The church have had foundations that display what is called Christlike love and true worship. They cater for victims of natural disasters, wars, infame, disabled, homeless, orphans, widows etc, and they make it available for all, Jehovah's witnesses and the rest. That is the form of worship that is acceptable to our God.

MaxInDHouse:
If pastor's teachings is working out what is beneficial in their gathering what can a Watchtower student say to convince a churchian?
See what a churchian type below



Now compare to this:



Do you think it's right to introduce this group to the guy above perhaps he still wants to continue worshiping the Bible God?

The post you keep charging about JWs is from someone who knows little about Jehovah's witnesses as it is clear from what he said. I have responded to all he said.

However, let's look at the words of Governing Body Member, who knows all the truth about Jehovah's witnesses. Raymond Franz has been there, and in his crisis of conscience, see the summary of what he observed about Jehovah's witnesses. You can read more from his book, crisis of conscience.

According to Crisis of Conscience, Raymond Franz left due to deep ethical and doctrinal concerns. Some key issues include:

1. Authoritarian Control of the Governing Body

Raymond felt that decisions were often made through organizational policy rather than Scripture.

He described the Governing Body as functioning more like a corporate board than a spiritual collective.

Policies affecting people's lives (e.g., disfellowshipping, blood transfusions, etc.) were sometimes enforced based on interpretations that he viewed as legalistic or speculative.


2. Rigid Disfellowshipping Practices

He was troubled by the harshness and lack of compassion in how disfellowshipping was handled.

Raymond objected to how people were excommunicated not just for moral issues but for disagreeing with non-essential doctrines.


3. Misuse of “Unity”

The organization promoted a uniformity of thought that stifled personal conscience and biblical reasoning.

Independent thinking or sincere questioning of doctrine was viewed as apostasy.


4. False Prophetic Expectations

He struggled with the organization's history of failed prophetic interpretations (e.g., predictions about 1914, 1925, 1975) and the lack of accountability.

He believed these failures undermined the organization's claim to be God’s exclusive channel.


5. Personal Crisis of Conscience

Raymond could no longer reconcile his conscience with continued leadership in an organization that he believed was misrepresenting Scripture and manipulating members' lives.

He formally disassociated himself after he was disfellowshipped in 1981 on allegations of apostasy, largely due to his association with people who were also questioning Watchtower teachings."

Compare what the guy said with what a former Governing Body Member, who knows more than you do has to say.

I being once an elder agrees with Ray Franz as I know the religion well. I even have more in addition to what Ray Franz says which I have also shared.

All one need to do is to go to reddit exjw forum and see the experiences of those who have been former members to see how the organization really is.

We will not forget that this self acclaimed organization of Jehovah has the highest child sexual abuse cases per capita compared to the Catholic Church in Australia. And this is so considering the fact that they don't maintain Borden homes, no child care centers like the Catholic church, yet they have more than a thousand child abuse cases.

How can God's organization rank higher in sexual immortality than those they call Satan's organization? Is that not the reason they agree to be paying fines instead of releasing the list of child molesters in their database?

achorladey:
After dropping my disassociation letter, shocked and surprised about the sudden turn of event. The three principal officers came calling to seek reasons.

The only thing I placed in front of them is the way most these religions are set up today,they cause internal conflict (within its own members) and external conflict (with other Christian denominations that equally answer to Jesus Christ).

Internal conflict

Look at the beards and pant wearing policy change as an example. There are many that had been victims and kicked out of the religious organization because they were emphatic that nothing is wrong with having beards and opposed the decision. Their path to grow in the community of Jehovah's Witnesses cut short and labeled spiritually weak, inactive and proud for not following the instructions from the GODS of men housed in USA. This is an example at the minimum level, I am not talking about blood transfusion, alternative service policies, 1914 and other doctrines that they had changed in recent times.

External conflict

If Achorladey is a Catholic, Deeperlife e.t.c and Sand2022 is a Jehovah’s witness then Sand2022 get employed in an establishment that Achorladey had been working for years. You will agree with me that, Achorladey is already in conflict with Sand2022 the very day I know you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact the moment you disclose it to me that you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I start telling you people that don't like praying with others, celebrate birthday, Christmas e.t.c. You people that believe others are false Christians. There will be some certain things I won't bring to your notice based on the fact that you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is what institutions have done to the body of Christ

achorladey:
E no dey easy at all. Na me know how I started my investigation and even tested those findings to check how true it is. I can confidently say even here on Nairaland the investigation and experiment turned out to be true. That's why when I found out the very same thing that they use in condemning others is the very same thing they do then I know staying is IDOLATRY basically worshiping men who say they are apostles but are liars

I know most of the Jehovah's witnesses on this platform while I was still active and locked in the believe will readily support my post. Commend the knowledge and how verse I am even when I still be ordinary publisher.

The moment they detected a slight change in the way I express those beliefs, they come raging at me. Then I know they are always about you towing the line no matter how glaring the lies are.

Is it not same Jehovah's witnesses on this platform that tried everything in their powerful to lie that child abusers are carried not by real Jehovah's witnesses, Is it not same Jehovah's witnesses that was trying to tell me Christians have two hopes when the Bible says one when I challenged that belief?

Thats how it goes, just tell us what agrees with the GB, we're ok, but if you say anything different from the GB, you've become their enemy, yet they will tell a churchgoer to go against his own Pastors teaching. And tell him to question his pastor and even read the Bible to show why one supposed to stand for what the Bible says even if his pastor teach something different. But whenever it comes to their GB, remain dumb. They fail to see that the same scripture they read to others apply to them as well. Make sure of all things and hold fast to what is true is not for only churchgoers. We must obey God as ruler rather than men is not only for churchgoers but for all leaders who go against what God says.