MaxInDHouse:


OK i've not said anything shey?

Well principles doesn't require obedience it's a way of life!

MaxInDHouse:

You don't understand what the word "PUNISH" means!

We are talking about PRINCIPLES and someone who is holding a high position is relieved because he is not promoting the PRINCIPLE is that what you call PUNISHMENT?

Perhaps you need this illustration:

When we were toddlers our parents do force most of us to birth and brush our teeth before food they never wrote it in any book as laws but they religiously do this as if our life depends on it but today that we are grown ups each person is practicing all these things not because our parents told us to do so but we now know why it's necessary.

Now imagine a grown up who is to represent a company manufacturing toothpaste but whose child doesn't even brush his or her mouth, do you think such a person still fit in as a representative of that company?
Now if he is relieved for others whose children are doing well in this regard to occupy the position do you call that a punishment?

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ PRINCIPLE is not by WRITTEN CODES rather it's what we fully understood how it will benefit us so each person is fully convinced in his heart! Jeremiah 31:33

MaxInDHouse:


My friend if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't count you as a Christian.

Do you now understand?

MaxInDHouse:

All those are PRINCIPLES not LAWS!

I am just waiting for your prove on how your organization arrived at convention, family worship, helpers to GB etc before the law covenant. Share that publication

MaxInDHouse:


You don't know what you're saying!

Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 2Corinthians 6:14

Can you PRACTICALLY APPLY this scripture when your own child taught by you {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} now choose to marry outside the faith?

Are you an exemplary member of the house of faith if you give your consent to such unholy union?

Go and read what Ezra did regarding people whose children married outside God's chosen people!

21Ogodol:
A family friend who’s a Jehovah’s Witness, said Jehovah’s Witness parents are allowed to perform rites for their children even thou they choose to marry a non witness, that it’s not against the law of the organization and any man who choose not to sit(be it an Elder or a member) is acting so based on his personal belief and not under Jehovah’s Witness.

I have seen cases of daughters getting married and their fathers not attending their traditional marriage or even accepting to collect dowery because she dint marry a witness and he cannot partake in her sin.


One girl said the Dad asked her spouse to first become a witness and get baptized before he can accept her as a son-inlaw and many more like that …

Now this our family friend who is saying it’s not against the law of Jehovah’s Witness is getting me confused and leaving me with so many questions 🧐🧐

If it’s not a against them, then how come so many fathers ignore or even disowned their daughters for taking this step?

How come they all choose to be wicked even thou their organization accepts such?

And those fathers that sits for their daughters who marry non witness, do they get summoned or disfellowshipped?

I need answers pls … someone help me out

MaxInDHouse:


He just want likes and shares from faithless miscreants.
Imagine someone saying the children of Jacob (Israel) assemble periodically because it's the law that say so.
What about the children of Job who never had anything to do with God's laws? Job 1:18

Ọmọ some just feel that it's only whatever the publications say that members of God's organization limit their understanding to.

How on earth can someone say the children of the same man needs a law to tell them that they must converge to rejoice occasionally?

MaxInDHouse:

Exactly!
So where is that BODY having the same line of thought with Jesus and his father? John 17:22

I don't understand sir. Let's ask Heb 2:4 the question; How did God show His approval of the early disciples?

Heb 2:4
while God joined in bearing witness with signs and wonders and various powerful works and with the holy spirit distributed according to his will."

How does that scripture answer the question?

Take note of the word "with". This shows that God supernaturally indicated His approval WITH signs and wonders. Is that not clear?

The Insight of the scriptures says this regarding this verse:

"In the first century C.E. miraculous gifts attended the baptism with holy spirit. These served as signs that God was no longer using the Jewish congregation in his service but that his approval rested on the Christian congregation established by his Son. (Heb 2:2-4."

Now do you notice that your publications agrees that such miraculous power indicates God's approval?

Now if your Organization claims that God had abandoned Christendom and shifted his attention to you in 1914-1919, God should have pour out his miraculous spirit on you guys. He didn't.

Janosky:

Revelation of course!

1 Corinthians 13:9-13, told you what will cease & what will remain?
Oga, do you agree with that scripture?

Why not? Joel 2:28 had initial fulfilment during the first century. Your organization believes that prophecies do have more than one fulfillment. I believe that too. Since Acts 2 shows that this is a last day prophecy, it is clear that it will have a bigger fulfillment in our time. And that prophecy is among the restoration prophecies that would have an end time fulfilment as well. Since we are in that end time, it is fulfilling.

1cor 13 shows that spiritual gifts will be the experience of the church till that which is perfect comes. Your organization believes that this perfect thing is still future. So the spiritual gift should continue to be an experience in the end time church.

MaxInDHouse:

Those aren't a COVENANT but PRINCIPLES that God's people has been practicing before God made a covenant with Israel!

No! God declared His presence through the Holy Spirit which helps believers to do His will all the time.

The scriptures say that the only evidence of God's presence is the Governing Body [/b]that's teaching people how to do God's will.
Jesus told his disciples who were worried about how faithful people in the end time can identify the Holy Ones when falsehood has spread:

[b]So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together" Luke 17:37

So the BODY of anointed men representing God is the evidence of the gathering of Holy ones not supernatural gifts which Jesus said he will deny those displaying it! Matthew 7:21-23

Janosky:


From Genesis to Revelation the visions of God's purposes have been revealed in your Bible,Oga which other visions are you seeking for?

Abi , you want to ADD 23rd chapter to Revelation?

Oga,Did Paul or John the apostle teach you that God has another Revelation aside what was revealed by Jesus Christ ?

You are entitled to your opinion.

Oga, do you have any proof that the apostles taught you that God has another vision or Revelation to disclose aside what was revealed through Jesus Christ in Revelation?

MaxInDHouse:


You're quoting a covenant God had with Israel as if everyone is under that OLD covenant.

Ọmọ i am not under that covenant Jesus said to his people:
“Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe.” John 20:29

In the NEW COVENANT God is speaking with believers through Jesus {Hebrews 1:1-2} so the old covenant you're quoting has become OBSOLETE! Jeremiah 31:31-33

achorladey:
Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses say they are God’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

Here is how one person sees this claim.

"The entire Jehovah’s Witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.

Never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a Jehovah’s Witness are successfully challenged. The more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.

Confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The reason for this is that their evangelical work puts them in contact with many rival belief systems.

In order to overcome challenges to their beliefs and to prevent any doubts creeping in, Jehovah’s Witnesses have to retreat to their echo chamber to bolster their faith.

By repeatedly discussing their beliefs with fellow believers, they convince themselves that what they teach is the only ‘truth’. As well as supporting their own need for certainty, they in turn are helping to reinforce the delusions of other members.

There is a very interesting logical fallacy which highlights this method of confirmation which Jehovah’s Witnesses use, called ‘proof by repeated assertion’.

Here is a brief description:-

“Proof by repeated assertion is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation. The proposition can sometimes be repeated until any challenges or opposition ceases, letting the proponent assert it as fact, and solely due to a lack of challengers. In other cases, it’s repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority fallacy.

…In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.”

At their meetings, Jehovah’s Witnesses are trained by role playing, acting out the arguments they regularly encounter in their ministry. However, they only ever consider the scenarios which present the softest resistance to their beliefs.

By constantly ‘overcoming’ the more easy arguments during practice sessions, Jehovah’s Witnesses are lulled into a false sense of security, believing that they have watertight answers to all the questions and objections they can expect to encounter in their ministry.

However, in real life JWs are occasionally confronted with much more profound and difficult challenges to their faith which they have not previously encountered. They invariably refrain from directly arguing or debating on these topics, but instead use deflection tactics such as referring the questioner to their website, and then they quickly retreat.

Later, when no longer under direct pressure, JWs are likely to replay the difficult challenge over in their mind. If there are no set answers in the Watchtower literature, they are compelled to fabricate a refutation themselves, perhaps by looking for relevant bible verses. The motive for this is often more to reassure themselves than to answer the challenger.

But many times there is no valid refutation. A frequent recourse if they can't find a gratifying way to refute the objection to their religion, is to vilify the character of the challenger, as a means to negate the challenge.

They are then compelled to use flawed logic to find a ‘solution’ to the challenge. Once they have an idea, they cling to it and repeat it, however false or illogical it is, until it becomes an ‘established’ counter argument (at least in their minds).

A classic, often repeated example is as follows. After pointing out a flaw in the Organisation they will reply by saying:-

“Show me an alternative religion that has more truth than ours”........ MaxInDHouse

If their adversary fails or declines to suggest an appropriate alternative religion, the JW erroneously concludes that this is decisive evidence that theirs is the true religion by default....... MaxInDHouse

Many people who have had encounters with Jehovah’s Witnesses will recognise this trait. Very often, when Jehovah’s Witness are confronted with contrary evidence, they simply repeat an invalid point over and over, even though they have been presented with well-founded objections or incontrovertible evidence....... JaNosense and his likes

After several such encounters, Jehovah’s Witnesses begin to have misplaced confidence in their false reasoning, which leads them to the absurd conclusion that their religion is the only one God is backing.

The Watchtower literature is also a factor which builds confidence in JWs that their religion is God’s organisation. The articles repeatedly make the hubristic claim that they are God’s ‘channe[/b]l’, that God is using the ‘Faithful Slave’ to convey his message, etc.

Despite the lack of [b]sufficient evidence, the constant repetition of these claims forms a confirmation bias in the minds of the followers, and these invalid assumptions become an established fact.

One only has to read the posts of many JWs on nairaland to see this process in motion. There are countless answers from JW apologists in which they claim to be God’s people.

Remaining in an environment where this predominant attitude is constantly played out, has convinced millions of followers that their religion is God’s organisation, even though they lack sufficient evidence to back up this baseless claim."



For your reading delight

MaxInDHouse:


Reread Hebrews 1:1-2 it's about how God dealt with people before and after Jesus so if you're still expecting God to come and appear to you after Jesus i'm sorry for you!

MaxInDHouse:


The above quotation is about which nation?

Ọmọ that's the OLD COVENANT in which God used prophets to speak to the nation of Israel {Hebrews 1:1} but at the same time Satan also did exactly the same thing by appearing and speaking to the same prophets God appeared to in dreams and visions.
For instance David was a prophet of God used to prophesy about the Christ {Psalm 110:1-3} yet Satan also used David through the same means {2Samuel 24:1; 1Chronicles 21:1} Satan tried the same thing with Jesus, after God's Holy Spirit has taken Jesus into the wilderness to instruct Jesus on how to go about his ministry {Luke 4:1} Satan also disguised as the same spirit {2Corinthians 11:14} to instruct Jesus {Luke 4:3-12} but discovered that unlike David who forgot to rely on what God had said about Abraham's descendants that they will never be counted Jesus relied strictly on the scriptures until Satan unknowingly revealed his identity demanding for worship from Jesus who has always been a worshiper of the true God so Satan got frustrated and left Jesus looking for another opportunity to get back in a subtle manner {Luke 4:13} and he surely did speaking through a trusted disciple of Jesus called Peter! Matthew 16:22-23

So God is no longer using that Old Covenant you're quoting {Jeremiah 31:32-33} rather God's word will be available to everyone that believes {Jeremiah 31:34} and we can all know the truth through the guidance of spiritual Jews {Zechariah 8:23} whom Jesus sent to teach us to become his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

So if you're banking on people who have seen spirits then you're on your own because you can't distinguish between the spirit of God and Satan, in fact God concluded in the Bible telling us that there's no addition or subtraction {Revelations 22:18-19} which means God won't appear to anyone henceforth whoever wants to know God's organization only need to examine the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 7:15-20} not GIFTS!

MaxInDHouse:

God told the Israelites that another prophet will come in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} Moses and Jesus were like Gods in the midst of their generation {Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6} both of them were given the power to perform SIGNS as evidence of God's approval regarding their mission.

But when it comes to Jesus' disciples they can only perform SIGNS as long as Jerusalem exists once that city is destroyed with it's temple all supernatural gifts will cease {1Corinthians 13:8-10} so if that's what you're banking on then i pity your condition {Matthew 7:22-23} according to Jesus the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit (not GIFT) will be the evidence that God is backing a group. Matthew 7:16-18

What is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit?

LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

According to apostle Paul whom Jesus used to connect people of all other nations whoever disregards the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit but is trying to find fault with the group God's is using is deceiving himself!

MaxInDHouse:


Why must salvation be through a first century Jewish man called "Jesus"?
Why not through your own daddy?
Or are you saying your own daddy is evil?

God's plan is that salvation will come through the descendants of Abraham Isaac and Jacob then the child that will be born through that lineage is the wonderful counselor, then a group will emerge as representatives of Jesus {Matthew 24:45} so failure to ACKNOWLEDGE God's plan means you're on your own! Matthew 25:34-46

Janosky:


It is not by force to agree with Acts 15:6-15 (& 2 Chronicles 7:14 )confirmed by Jesus Christ followers that they bear Jehovah's name.
Isaiah 43:10 (ASV) & 2 Chronicles 7:14 , that is name Jehovah God calls His chosen servants.

MaxInDHouse:


OK but that's our own understanding and it's none negotiable.
Thanks!

Cti28:
Biblically, there is a role for church leadership in the marriages of saints. Paul the Apostle, did a lot in this area. In passages like Romans 7:32, I Cor 7, Ephesians 5:25-33), Paul touches on issues such as the need for marriage, conditions for remarriage, love, care and submission in marriage and even sexual intimacy in marriage.

In Titus 2:3-5, Paul charges older women in the church to teach young ladies on good relationship with their husbands and home-keeping.

Peter in I Peter 3:1-7, offers gives godly and necessary counsel to married couples.

Therefore, it is the divine mandate for church leaders/elders to mentor, support and counsel young people planning to get married and even those who are already married( young or not). The church must be involved in the marriages of the saints through sound teachings and giving help and support whenever it is needed .

Would it be wrong for a church to assign godly, experienced and spiritually mature elders to fulfill this role? I think not. If the role of what some people call the Marriage Committee is restricted to teaching, counselling and guiding couples to have a home that fulfills the will of God, then there is no problem.

But we know what the MC does in many places is the killjoy usurpation of the role of the families of young people and ungodly poking of their noses into the personal affairs of people.

It is important to note that while the Bible has a lot to say on how a Christian home should be, it has no prescription on processes leading to a wedding. The Bible is less concerned on how a man finds a wife, and what mode of wedding a couple adopts.

In the Bible, beyond the admonition for a believer not to marry and unbeliever, our observation is that courtship and wedding matters are private issues. The Bible gives no role to the church or its leadership in deciding, approving, whom a person should marry, how and when to propose marriage, how long a courtship should last, what mode of marriage to adopt, what clothing to use for the marriage, who to join a couple in marriage, and so on.

What is called church marriage is a tradition of men and not a Biblical prescription. A pastor or priest has no divine assignment to conduct any marriage.It amounts to being a busy body when a "church" makes it compulsory for young people to take permission to get married to whomever they choose. It is extra-scriptural. A confused young person who is undecided on how to make a choice in marriage should be allowed to voluntarily reach out to any elder of their choice if they need it.

The true church leadership of today must pay more attention to helping intending couples and the already married, to enjoy bliss, happiness, fulfillment in their homes, than just making rules for young people intending to get married. Too many regulations and rules and unnecessary protocol, have served to dash the hopes of young lovers and would be lovers. Some have been forced into premarital sex. Others have had to tell lies or half-truths to scale the hurdles in place by the denominational leadership.

In a real church, we don't need any rules and guidelines. The scripture is sufficient.

Note, there is no wedding ministry in the church. God does not give crowns to oppressive and dictatorial church "marriage specialists."

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advanceDNA:


Sigh..... the brainwashing is deep.....

U have the bible right in front of you... yet someone told u if u dont belong to watch tower u are false .... nd u believe??

MightySparrow:


They preach from the angle of harassment. Theey like to condemn others while they themselves are not perfect or truthful to their teachings. I have a number of them around me. I hate hypocrisy.

Maynman:

This is what you said about freewill earlier from webster dictionary, voluntary choice or decision. Eg I do this of my own free will

Maynman:

I saw none of what you wrote there.
Screenshot this part “Not in every state. In some states like California, and Florida you can still be charged for manslaughter or murder even under duress.”

Maynman:

Who gave me the certain rights?
If i have freewill i will be FREE TO DO ANYTHING I WILL, without any consequences.

The way you behave in Nigeria is not same with dubai, is that not infringing on my freewill, i have to follow the laws because of the consequences, not that i am voluntarily following it.

Maynman:

Freewill can only be exhibited when there is no restraint of your actions, then we will see how many people are good because it’s good in itself and not because of consequences.

remove heaven and hell, why are you a good person?

Maynman:

Send where you read this.

Maynman:

Been under duress and coercion is consequences for an action, i gave you an example, your money or your life.
Any decision you take is not from your freewill, it’s not voluntary.

Please look up the definition of voluntary.

Maynman:

Is there a law on the land about killing your fellow man?

Do you know as citizens we have certain rights?
Is that not infringing on out freewill then?

Don’t you get it

Deepspirituals:
. Good Point...

Self Control is Good ...There is always a line between being Single and Married .

The point is not about Jumping from every lady to another No .

This is it ...A guy who is a Grown up Adult ,Is not yet Married ,You know Marriage today is not only Love ,You got to have some things in place ,No Controversies ...

Now ,The guy has a Female friend,Just one That he dates ,Have Sex with to calm his sexual Desires down,You may want to say he may contact STD well he might be protecting himself but this guy is not married .

Even in the next 5 years he is not sure of Marriage ...

You mean the guy in his 40 years of age should continue to Control himself for the next 5 Years on and on and on Haba !

Well some can do if U can even stay without sex for 30 years don't turn your self to be others ooo