AnAbnormalHuman:


You have said well OP.

I think many Biblical stuff is always full of symbolisms.
Even the best may always run into errors cos it's some serious complex stuff.

But you also said well by adding that the JWs shouldn't condemn other religions as a way of redeeming themselves from their imperfections.

That Babylon the Great, it's not a physical Kingdom, it's Spiritual.
Just like the physical Babylon ruled over every nation of the world back then, the spiritual Babylonian influence is ruling over every part of the world these days, and it will be evident when you observe trends that flow fluidly across different races.

But the Kingdom Of Heaven is also here with us, so even though Babylon rules, we don't actually belong to it's Kingdom, we belong to the Kingdom of Heaven where there's Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit.

Fine point.

achorladey:



The reality before us is that, that concept called "Jehovah’s organization" na fraud set up for the worship of humans as GODS

They already know that when we talk about Jehovah's organisation today it refers to the 9 GODS of men housed in USA

I feel it's just the way they understand the scriptures. They are not alone in this, there are other denominations with different theology based on how their leaders understand the bible.

However, different opinion doesn't need to cause this fight among the body of Christ. But the witnesses just have lots of pride and with low scriptural understanding. Such a contradiction.

I don't blame them, had most church leaders equipped their sheep very much without this love of money I see among them, many witnesses would have been shown their errors at every door they knock. And many young ones pay little or no interest in God's word. The witnesses are armed to the teeth with the lies of the Gov body well fixed in their psyche through studies.

Leaders in the body of Christ, not all for sure, but many are just looking for money. We can see the consequences, many are now being deceived with lies and they peddle it as truth. Do you blame them?

Janosky:


You know that Mr Russell applied Divinity of Christ to Philippians 2:9.

Oga, did Philippians 2:9 teach that God made Jesus equal to God?

No nau!

It was a trend common to Trinitarian translators of the Bible to capitalise pronouns ("He,Him" etc) that refers to Jesus.
Most translations do not do so anymore.

Mr Russell is NOT a Trinitarian, he said in page 71 you cherry picked. ( screenshot evidence)

"We affirm the pre-existence of
Jesus as the mighty Word (Logos)—Spokesman—‘the beginning
of the creation of God,’ ‘the First-Born of every creature,’ the
active Agent of the Heavenly Father, Jehovah, in all the work of
creation. ‘Without Him was not anything made that was made.
(Rev. 3:14; Col. 1:15; John 1:3.) "

For the first time, you have made a fine rebuttal. Kudos!

While Russell's belief about the son is in some way different from that of JW today, he didn't see the son to be equal to the Father intoto. He believed that all the son had was from the Father. However, there was a difference in how he viewed the son as opposed to what the witnesses believe today. Secondly, another difference is about the spirit.

achorladey:


The deeds of those that are not even classified is the one you use justify the reason for your mistakes.

For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we can repeat mistakes as much as possible and have hope

Below is your reference


Irenaeus, a writer of the second century C.E., said that according to some in his day, Paul was speaking at Romans 13:1 “in regard to angelical powers [or] of invisible rulers.” Irenaeus himself, though, viewed the superior authorities as “actual human authorities.” The context of Paul’s words shows that Irenaeus was correct.

Even irenaeous did not manipulate the scripture in order to use it as support to ban members going to war

You can just tell us you are after peddling your Mumu and no get sense on nairaland

Cc: Sand2022

Powerful point

I might also add, Irenaeous whom they doubt is a true disciple got the correct understanding, but they came along and kept flip flopping over just that simple truth. What is sad is that they still view themselves as the only true religion with all these flipflops.

Janosky:

John 20:24-27
@ first,Did Thomas believe Jesus resurrected?

Did Corinthian brethren believe Jesus resurrected?

Matthew 26:31-35,69-75, Did the disciples make FALSE predictions?

Did the disciples correct,amend their ways?

Oga, if you want to WAIL about this, please continue.

Proverbs 24:16 & 1 Corinthians 15:12 & 1 Corinthians 13:9,Oga REMOVE am from your Bible, Mr Perfect.

Is it that you guys don't have brains to understand my point or you do understand it and pretend you don't? I just don't get it, you guys are not even rebutting my argument at all. Let me state it simply:

- the apostles make mistakes for sure. However, they didn't say it was God's spirit that led them to those mistakes. For eg, they never said "God's spirit made me discern that Jesus was going to restore the kingdom to Jerusalem now". Never!

- whenever they had a spirit led understanding, they never tomorrow term that previous spirit led understanding false, in other words, they didn't bring up a new spirit led belief that contradicted the previous spirit led belief.

Since the apostles never did that, your situation is different from theirs.

Now, if you say that you are making mistake just as the apostles made, that is, without spirit leading, then leave it at that. Make it plain that your understanding is purely human effort to understand the sacred scriptures. There is nothing wrong with that. The mistakes of the apsotles were just that - human effort to understand the scriptures. However, even under this human effort, I have not seen flip flop among the apostles. Not that flipflop will be wrong in that instants, no. Thats human for you.

Your position is quite different. You say you have spirit led understanding, yet you flip flop. Making me wonder which spirit is that.

Let me tell you what your organization mean. There spirit led understanding doesn't really mean spirit of God leading them to any understanding, but because the bible is inspired, and they make their doctrinal decisions based on the bible, they now concluded that their decisions is spirit led. In other words, they mean that they made the decision from an inspired word of God, as such, the understanding is spirit led. That way, there understanding matches with the situation of the apostles who made mistakes. It is unfortunate that there is no good JW apologees on this forum. Sorry.

So that is purely a human effort. All they tell you about spirit directiing, leading etc, the above is what they mean.

I don't need comments that lack proper understanding of my position.

Janosky:


1 Corinthians 13:9 "our knowledge is not complete."

You are WAILING upandan about JWs,

Even the disciples dey do flip flops, John 16:16-18.

How does that John 16:16-18 sound like a flipflop to you?

Is this what you guys can produce? Shmh

oteneaaron:


YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

A whole Elder like you, see how cowardly you speak.

You said that the holy spirit showed you that Emusan and Achorladey are the same persons.

When it is time to spread falsehood, you mouth starts running like a parrot.

Simply accept Emusan's challenge and prove to everyone on Nairaland how beyond all reasonable doubt, the holy spirit showed you that Emusan and Achorladey are one and the same person.

But you can't accept the challenge, because you are just a coward.

Stop running around in circles and prove that you are not a coward.

Who said he is an elder? An elder and doesn't know their doctrine?

MaxInDHouse:

NO!
You're deceiving yourself big time!

How many apostles did Jesus chose?
Twelve!
How many were inspired to pen down words?
Only five: Matthew, John, Peter, James and Paul.
So when they committed blunder which led to the death of that Christian couple they were all together as the first century Governing Body.

So how do i know that God was using them?
It's because they were able to continue making disciples who were peacemakers like the Prince of Peace {Act 1:8} that's what inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they began calling them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26
In fact Jesus said all those gifts you're crying for doesn't make someone his real disciple! Matthew 7:21-23

I don't mean by individuals. A group approved by God has His evidence in miracles. It's not subject to your approval. The bible says:

Heb 2

4 while God joined in bearing witness with signs and wonders and various powerful works and with the holy spirit distributed according to his will."

Matt 7:21-23 is not contradicting Heb 2:4. Jesus is rather saying that even with that spirit one has to do his father's will to inherit life. He is not saying that miracles doesn't prove anything. It does.

I fact he had already made that statement before he promised them not to live Jerusalem for the spirit will come and then they will use it's power to preach as you rightly quoted at act 1:8.

We have gone through this path before

MaxInDHouse:

Of course their imperfect human intellect led them to think they can eradicate poverty among themselves not God's Holy Spirit!

I can understand. That question makes you uncomfortable. It can slide. But show respect to God's word abeg. They didn't want to eradicate poverty for God's sake. I have wondered if youre actually a JW.

HISSCRIBE1995:
I noticed that the jehova witnesses around me usually feel uncomfortable when a christian song is been played but they are quick to dance and sing along to secular (even ungodly ) songs.
They seems not to like hearing a christian sermon but would prefer to listen to sermons from other faith (islam)

Now the question is - why do these people react this way but chose to be more positive to unchristian subject rather than christian subject of which they are already familiar with.
It is also a wonder that these people Choose not to be identified as Christians (please if I'm wrong with this assertions you can correct me)
I think these organizations need to be studied very well to see why they Choose to be the way they are (their doctrines, and differences in scriptures)

If you know anything about this group called jehova witnesses, or had experienced some of their reactions, please share so that the church and general public can know more about them and their beliefs without castigasting anyone.

What you need to know is that many Jehovah's witnesses don't even know what their organization teach. Trust me on this. Few that I have met here on nairaland is one example of this. If you know there teaching so we'll, you will know they don't even know what their Governing Body reach.

Some witnesses don't know the difference between secular christian songs and liturgical songs. There organization condemns liturgical songs, that's what they prohibit. They do not prohibit secular Christian songs like the one sang by Chinwo, Sinach, Frank Edward etc. But even many of their church leaders don't know this. The same way most of them don't know their organization don't prohibit beard. All they need to be careful about is only the lyrics.

Their organization will be happy if they play those gospel song more than the secular non christian pop they play and dance shamelessly.

However, their members are worldly deep within.

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ that's the undeniable truth!

God's people has never for once gotten things perfectly but despite their blunders they will continue doing God's will that no other group or organization can do!

So stop deceiving yourself blunders is evidence that we are IMPERFECT humans but ability to fulfil God's promise is evidence that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with imperfect humans!

I repeat:

However, you agree they didn't flip flop under the spirit leading. Agree?
It's not just application, if God doesn't tell you anything supernatural, and plainly, you are likely to reach wrong conclusions. However, when you have reach that wrong conclusions, it is not the holy spirit that led you to it. Your intellect led you there. Do we agree?

MaxInDHouse:

You're the one mixing things up for yourself.

The Holy Spirit is not responsible for blunders that's the effect of imperfection in humans but how do you know that God's Holy Spirit is working with imperfect humans?
Despite their blunders they will achieve what God promised!

Your avoiding flip flop makes me conclude that you don't believe they flip flopped.

No, how you know whom God is using clearly is by His telling you through vision, dreams or miracles as He pours His spirit. If not, you can think that your work is being done for God when in fact you're working against Him.

Neither Paul nor the Pharisees knew that God had rejected them. Only through supernatural works performed by the apostles could be the prove that God has shifted His attention. Your publication agrees with that.

If God has not told you anything, you may actually be wasting your time thinking you're in His organization.

MaxInDHouse:


The matter is simple:

No servant of God has perfect understanding of what the Holy Spirit is revealing except Jesus Christ, all servants of God even though they were inspired do commit blunders during the application of what God's Holy Spirit inspired them to pen down.

So there's a big difference between inspiration and application when it comes to inspiration God's Holy Spirit delivers the message perfectly to imperfect humans and they pen it down just as they were inspired. The Governing Body weren't inspired so it's only the application they're working on and just like all other imperfect servants of God in the past they also committed blunders but despite their blunders they're the one and only group that has achieved what Jesus promised that we will see as evidence that God is with mankind! John 13:34-35

Remember you're the one calling there mistake blunders. Not me. You should be careful though.

However, you agree they didn't flip flop under the spirit leading. Agree?

It's not just application, if God doesn't tell you anything supernatural, and plainly, you are likely to reach wrong conclusions. However, when you have reach that wrong conclusions, it is not the holy spirit that led you to it. Your intellect led you there. Do we agree?

MaxInDHouse:

The Apostles surely committed blunders!

Jesus taught them that it's not possible to eradicate poverty for now {Mark 14:7} yet that is exactly what they tried to do which led to the death of a Christian couple! Act 5:1-11
So you can't deny that they never committed blunders even though they were baptized with Holy Spirit!

It is revealing how you insult Jesus apostles because you want to protect human organization. Your interpretation of that was wrong. Even if it was true, it's not a spirit led flip flop. Try again.

MaxInDHouse:

Walahi talahi you're not a Bible student you only read the Bible!

Now let's go back to what Jesus said himself.

@ Matthew 16:16 Jesus said it's God's Holy Spirit that revealed something to Peter right?
Few minutes later that same day Jesus said what Peter said again was according to flesh in fact to show that the next thing that's coming from the same Peter is worse Jesus called Peter "Satan" {Matthew 16:23} So it's very possible for God's Holy Spirit to speak through a person and Satan to confuse the same person with human reasoning but did Jesus changed his mind regarding Peter being the ROCK upon which the congregation will be built? Matthew 16:18
NO!

Well did Peter or Jesus say the holy spirit told Peter to rebuke Jesus? Was it the spirit's leading? Or did Jesus later say, "oh sorry Peter you know it was not Satan that made you rebuke me, that act was in fact the truth from my Father"?

Are you saying that Satan revealed some so called truth to Russell?

MaxInDHouse:


Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word "FALSE"
Ordained minister under Christ have a duty:
To ORGANIZE Jesus' sheep so that they go on preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood {Matthew 28:19-20} with that the result is that among all adherents of their TEACHINGS there must be no division {1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} and LOVE will permeate their gathering so that all those adhering to their teachings will no longer think of lifting weapons against anyone again as disciples of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8

Did the GOVERNING BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses meet up with this assignment?

If they do whatever errors they made while doing it is irrelevant because errors only shows that they are imperfect humans just like the first century Jewish Apostles!

Changing the topic is a craft taught to Jehovah's witnesses. And you seem to have learned that well. Kudoz, but you ain't escaping this one.

Let me post again:

You have not mentioned any flipflop by the apostles, neither have you shown them accusing the holy spirit for any wrong understanding like you guys do. Let me show you how your Founder Russell saw flipflop. He says: "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

So your leader, whom you say God used above other church leaders says that the situation that your religion now found itself aka flipflop is an evidence of human followership. That for God, never can there be flipflop. I concur with your leader.

Do you agree with him?

Does the apostles have flipflop? Can you give examples.

MaxInDHouse:


Perhaps you have forgotten that the Holy Spirit was sent to continue the work Jesus did among imperfect humans:

"And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever" John 14:16

Jesus is the PERFECT helper guiding IMPERFECT humans to do God's will so the Holy Spirit has come to replace him therefore don't think their understanding became perfect after the Holy Spirit came:

"For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially" 1Corinthians 13:9

Do you want to tell me that Apostle Paul don't know what he was saying in the above or the Holy Spirit has not come to teach them?

it will only continue to guide them into all truth just as Jesus was CORRECTING them anytime they needed it. John 14:26-27

So what will be the EVIDENCE that God's Holy Spirit is working with them?
They will be able to continue doing God's will despite their imperfection and errors because God's Holy Spirit is there with them guiding them always! Act 1:8 compare to Proverbs 24:16

That's why i keep asking you to present the group that's performing better than Jehovah's Witnesses if truly you know the WORK of God's Holy Spirit!

You don't get the point, do you? If the holy spirit reveals a truth to you, it is truth, it can't change or be extinguished by another truth from the same spirit. Common bro. Can you listen to yourself? Like seriously? Flip-flop from the holy spirit? Stop the blasphemy my dear. Your understanding is human, don't accuse the holy spirit.

I have also stated that when the apostles misunderstood a point either by Jesus or what the bible says, they don't go one blaming the holy spirit for that, it was not spirit leading them. It was there own human understanding that didn't get the point. However, whenever the spirit lead them to a truth eg concerning uncircumcised gentiles, that truth never change. It is constant. That's what we call spirit lead truth. Your leader Russell agrees with that.

Yours is not. It is pure human understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Sand2022
Hatred may blur the sense of judgement but it is wise to be open-minded in delicate cases like this! 1Thessalonians 5:21 compare to Act 17:11


What we found written in the Bible today were INSPIRED through God's Holy Spirit so it's not possible to find errors in what was inspired but regarding how the first century practiced Christianity YES they committed lots of blunders in understanding and applications {Act 15:1-5} but God's Holy Spirit was there to correct them that's why each time something goes wrong in the way they applied what they knew the Apostles comes together to pray over the matter so that God's Holy Spirit can direct them! Act 15:28-29

The GOVERNING BODY today weren't inspired like them so the same errors that happened in the first century due to imperfection cannot be avoided but one thing is sure:

God's people are doing His will today globally as One big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

You have not mentioned any flipflop by the apostles, neither have you shown them accusing the holy spirit for any wrong understanding like you guys do. Let me show you how your Founder Russell saw flipflop. He says:

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

So your leader, whom you say God used above other church leaders says that the situation that your religion now found itself aka flipflop is an evidence of human followership. That for God, never can there be flipflop.

I concur with your leader. Unfortunately, you now call the so called God ordained leader a false teacher.

Emusan:




I mean KJV didn't used ONLY TEXTUS RECEPTUS but Vulgate where the comma appears.

The main text for KJV translation is Textus Receptus, Vulgate was secondary. Whether it was found in the vulgate available for KJV translators is open the to question since not all latin versions had the comma.

At what point does it added to the MAIN TEXT?

Before 5th century or after 5th century?

For latin it should be in the 5th century. But for Greek it's around 15th century.


[quote]The original was written in Greek no doubt about it but what we have today are COPIES of the original. So something can happen along the transcription.



Just as the Greek manuscripts we have today are COPIES of the original.



If we wonder about how! We can only ask questions.

So the question is, what if it was removed intentionally or by omission?

What if it wasn't in the original at all?

I think the majority of scholars, Trinitarians inclusive agree that the comma is spurious. Tomorrow more studies could reveal to the contrary. So let's stick to the best evidence for now.

Like I said earlier, an Umluats (double dot) was discovered in 1 John 5:7-8 in one of the oldest Greek manuscripts Codex Vaticanus those who discovered it acknowledged the dots but tried to explained of its non important away.

But the truth is the Umluats are there and the only thing missing with the Umluats is the comma.



I didn't.



In 1995 Philip B. Payne discovered “umlauts” (double dots) in the margins of various places in Codex Vaticanus. He and many scholars agree that these umlauts indicate lines where a textual variant was known to the scribe.

Interestingly, an umlaut appears next to the phrase “τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες” in Vaticanus. Payne briefly discusses and seemingly dismisses the significance of the umlaut in 1 John 5:7 (p. 112, footnote 34), but without a doubt the umlaut is there.

Check the attached below screenshot

There is umlaut there, Payne acknowledged it was there, but he stated that the Johannine comma was not found there. Where was the umlaut found? Close to the "the" in "there are three witness bearers". This umlaut was not added in the fourth century, but around 10th century by a scribe who saw difference between the Vatican 1209 and other manuscripts in Latin. There had been redaction to the Vatican manuscript over the years.

Janosky:



Please look for the meaning of divinity and educate yourself.

Divinity= a god, godlike.Screenshots evidence.
John 1:1 the word Jesus was a god.

Case closed.

You don't need to go far to understand what Russell meant. The word "divinity" in his article of faith has "" in capital.

Secondly, notice the "he" after that. The "h" is also in capital.

Janosky:

Is Charles Russell infallible?

John 17:7, what did Jesus have that he did not receive?

Jesus breathed holy spirit (given by his God) into the disciples, John 20:22.
Jesus Christ did not breath a person into the disciples.
Oga, are you learning something?

Your founder claimed that other christians were rejected because of false teaching, on what basis was Russell then chosen?

If he is fallible, why act and attack other doctrines as if he is not fallible? You see the situation it has left him. He has become a false teacher he accuses others of.

Jehovah God will continue to REFORM, Readjust his Servants, 2 Corinthians 13:9,11.
Jehovah readjusted prophet Samuel,1Sam3:20 & 1 Samuel 16:6.

Jehovah used Paul to readjust Corinthian brethrens, 1 Corinthians 15:12. 2 Cor13:9,11.

Jehovah is not reforming your doctrines, that's the mistake you guys make. You are searching to understand the bible like other scholars do. Remove Jehovah from that so that you don't blaspheme. Flip flops that exist in your doctrines is just the evidence that Jehovah is not involved at all. Using your intellect to want to understand a scriptural point isn't wrong, that's what your org do, don't accuse God and His spirit.

God doesn't reform and counter-reform someone.

Emusan:


But it wasn't originated from Erasmus.

Does it?

Not true, KJV used those manuscripts I mentioned earlier.

What wasn't originated from Erasmus, the Textus Receptus?

I don't understand your last statement. Do you mean that KJV used the earlier Text you mentioned? If so, I think you did mention Textus Receptus, unless I didn't understand you post. I quote;

"NT: Textus Receptus
Apocrypha: Greek Septuagint; Latin Vulgate."

It is not spurious!

People used the comma years long before 16th century.

And the comma was found in Old Latin 6th -7th century.

Yes, that's possible. I did say that the Comma appeared on the margin for years before it was added to the main text. It first appeared in a latin bible around 5th century.

The comma was in Latin, not Greek manuscripts. That's suspicious because the original was written in Greek. So, the latin was a translation. One would wonder why it is not found in all the old Greek manuscripts but a translation, latin.

An Umluats (double dot) discovered in Codex Vaticanus shows text was missing between 1 John 5:7-8 and the only textual variant here is nothing but the comma

If I understand you, you say that the comma didn't appear in Vatican 1209. Yes, it didn't appear there, and that is significant considering the importance attached to that manuscript. So that phrase must be spurious.

MaxInDHouse:


You need to go back and STUDY how the disciples fumbled countless times over and over again until they were able to master Jesus' teachings.

We are talking about a perfect teacher and his imperfect students so if a perfect teacher say anything his imperfect students may stumble many times over their teachers teachings.

That's exactly what happened to the Bible students in the 20th century!

Flip flop among the apostles? I mean moving from doctrine A to B and then returning to doctrine A? Where in the bible did you ever see such a thing among the apostles? Show me.

2. The few areas the apostles misunderstood Jesus words, they didn't say the holy spirit was gradually leading them to the truth. It was purely their imperfect human understanding. However, the JWs don't see it that way, they rather accuse the holy spirit for gradually taking them through one error to another. That's blasphemy.

And don't forget the point being made. What Russell believed about the holy spirit was not caused by Christendom, neither was Christendom the architect of Pyramid of Gizeh, Bathsarim, 1925, 1914, 1975 etc. Now you're saying Jesus led you to those errors. Don't accuse Christendom.

Thirdly, your leader Russell claimed that he did an independent search for truth aside from the creed of his time. He said he brings out a topic, then goes through all the scriptures to check what it says, then when they arrive at a conclusion consistent with the bible, they adopt it. Bros isn't that what you guys claim happened? So why are you saying that you're being led away from false teachings of Christendom again? The 6 bible students that met to research this matters, did any church send a representative to that group? Were they not the ones that reached their conclusions themselves? Guy wake up. You shouldn't accept any excuse they tell you. Think up.

Let me give you example of flip flop;

Russell believed that the Superior Authority was the Government (doctrine A). Christendom had arrived at that teaching long before then.

Later, during Rutherford's reign, he now said that the Superior Authorities were only Jehovah and Jesus. (Doctrine B)

Now your church teach that the Superior Authorities refer to the Governments (a return to Doctrine A)

If that is an evidence of holy spirit leading, sorry for you.

Emusan:


What do you mean by Greek master text?



No! KJV only translate Bible using OT: Masoretic Text

NT: Textus Receptus
Apocrypha: Greek Septuagint; Latin Vulgate

And the text was in oldest Latin manuscripts 6-7th century.

Erasmus was the one who introduced the comma in his edition of the Textus Receptus.

KJV was made from TR after the Comma had been added.

And this thread is about the text authenticity.

The text was alluded to by many early Christians, so something must have happened along the way.

It is spurous. The Comma initially occured in the marginal note. It was never part of the bible until Erasmus added it in the 16th century.

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus WAS CORRECTING them just as he did when he was here in the flesh and don't forget that most of the things he taught them face to face they missed that's why he had to repeat it over and over until they're able to grasp it.

So it's the same Jesus o {Hebrews 13:8} he will never ever condemn his willing students as long as they're ready to welcome correction!

Lol. He didn't even try answering the questions.

Leave Jesus out of this. He didn't give you your errors. Jesus obviously can't be behind flip-flops, can he? When you move from doctrine A to doctrine B, and latter returned back to doctrine A again, does that sound like what Jesus would do? Or Jesus told you to formulate a doctrine to worship pyramid of Giza? Be careful bros.

MaxInDHouse:


Stop deceiving yourself!

If there is little poison inside a meal you won't eat it so if you don't accept our teachings there's no need siding with part of it condemn it all as Satanic.

That's what we do to all the teachings from any other religion! Matthew 16:6, 12

I can't be haughty like you then. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for ungodly doctrines, but he still obeyed the correct ones like doing the Passover, attending synagogue worship, he even did bible reading inside the synagogue even more. So, your overrighteousness won't let you guys breath. I don't follow your example. I follow Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:

So do you accept our publication?

I have no problem with reading it. In as much as there is substance from God's word. However, when there is lies, I reject that part. I don't have this rotten view you guys have of others, I detest that. You guys should stop such haughtiness for God sake. And it's not as if you guys are Mr know all. Your doctrines are litered with errors, yet I don't know where this undue pride emanates from. And God has not even appeared to you guys to say you have been chosen, so why all this pride? There are thousands of scholars out there doing well in scriptural exposition, your church benefits from their labour as well. Many churches can prove that God had at least spoken to them, you don't have such evidence, yet pride pride pride. You got to stop.

Even with all these, I value you as an individual in as much as you have faith in Christ. And I read whatever is true scripturally, either from you or others. But at times I just get pissed off when you guys spew nonsense about other Christians who also are running the same race. And I see no scriptural evidence for all these hatred.

MaxInDHouse:


Charles and his colleagues were making research regarding what is wrong with Christendom churches so everything they believe back then is exactly what they all got from Christendom churches until Jesus returned in the year 1914 to correct them and gradually God's people were totally freed from all the LIES of Christendom Churches! John 8:32

Today God's organization has grown past all the nonsense and Ingredients they got from Christendom churches that's why the true God began calling us by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

The Finished Mystery was published way after 1914. So Jesus supposedly abandoned Christendom as you say, and appointed someone with falsehood in his basket?

If as at the time, they had Christendom lies as you say, on what basis were they then chosen as the true religion? Or are they true falsehood religion? Ok give us a date when all false religious teachings were all clear out.

2. When Russell taught his followers to revere pyramid of Giza in Egypt, was that also a teaching gotten from Christendom? When they arrived at the end of the world in 1914, and 1925 was that also a false teaching gotten from Christendom that Jesus wants to purge out? When Russell was called the Faithful and Discreet slave, was that also gotten from Christendom? Lest I forgot, which Christendom church ever taught that Holy Spirit manifested in the personality of The Father and the Son? Were they not rather teaching God the Holy Spirit?

I stumbled unto this page in the Finished Mystery of Jehovah's Witnesses that spoke of what Russell believed. The book says:

"... We affirm that the Word (Logos) was made flesh—became the Babe of Bethlehem—thus becoming the Man Jesus, ‘holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.’ As we affirm the humanity of Jesus, we equally affirm the Divinity of Christ—‘God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name above every name.’ (Heb. 7:26; Phil. 2:9.)

“We acknowledge that the personality of the Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son; that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both, and is manifested in all who receive the begetting of the Holy Spirit and thereby become sons of God. (John 1:12; 1 Pet. 1:3.)"

Finished Mystery page 71 and 72.

We can notice that even the holy spirit was not believed to be active force, but manifested in the Father and Son.

Yet God supposedly used him for believing what JWs today will call falsehood. No wonder they no longer print such book and is not even in their library.

MaxInDHouse:


Guy what happened to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in ancient times were written in the scriptures as examples examples for us not RULES!
So if you know how it's applied practically just follow those doing so today i am telling you how JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are practically applying the PRINCIPLE today!

My interest is not about whatever you chose to believe as a religion. It's your business. My interest is that it's not scriptural. That's all.

MaxInDHouse:


So are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

I am telling you the difference between laws and principles but you're here trying to change the subject thinking it's about OBEDIENCE.

Well let me tell you now that JWs imprisoned for their faith stood for what they knew is best for all while other witnesses would run away without having to face such test of faith those that ran away won't be disfellowshiped o!

I don't even need your answer on this anymore cos I doubt if you're a witness. The publications of JWs has proved that my point is legit.

If you don't accept the bible, and don't accept the publication of your claimed religion, your biz.

Emusan:
1 John 5:7 in the KJV contains these words called the Johannine Comma (also known as the Comma Johanneum or the Heavenly Witnesses). 

Why this verse was not found in some translations today:

Was it fraudulent inserted?

OR

Was omitted from Ancient Greek?

It was added to the Greek master text by Erasmus. That's how it entered the KJV.

However, it's origin seem to date back to the 4th century in some latin manuscripts till it found its way to the Latin Vulgate. It seem to be first noted in the margin before it entered the main bible text.