₦airaland Forum

[quote author=butterflyl1on post=65591792][/quote]lol. Very loud. A picture says a thousand words. That pic is like a book about the evolution of Atheism.

The apes that refused to evolve when atheists asked them to, were wise indeed. They knew that a dreadful life of cursing their creator was their only reward.

OkCornel:
So if I say your utterances pass for stupid excuses...that's something lovely for you to hear?

Did I ever use any of such words in our conversation? was it necessary for me to use the word stupid or foolish to pass across my point?

I am being careful here, and exchange of insults usually start from words like that...


So "stupid excuses" sounds like a compliment from your end...ride on. My feedback to you sounds like stupid excuses...it's not an insult...it's a very lovely compliment isn't it?

Atheism is a religion setup to insult the creator GOD and the messiah JESUS CHRIST.

I follow the golden rule in the Holy Bible which warns, "Dont throw your pearls of wisdom to the swine, they will trample it, then turn and destroy you."

OkCornel I respect what you are sharing in this hell.

bloodofthelamb:
Sir ScienceWatch, how is things now?

SonofThunder Sir, it is always good to hear from you. I have been quietly following your awesome work, as you share the unrivalled LOVE of the mighty JESUS.

Always remember, JESUS is not on trail. I note with respect how you take control and never allow ATHEISTS to question your unwavering faith in the mighty JESUS.

butterflyl1on:
Excuse me sir, what have you to do WITH THE PERSON I first quoted?

I wish Sonofthunder could see this. Where are you?

vaxx:
ensure you wear undies so that the punana will not be exposed when your skirt is finally lifted... it is good to reply you back in your terminology, you understand it better

VAXX your humour is off the charts as usual. I am having uncontrollable fits of laughter.

BudaAtum knows how to tickle your Funnybone. Lol. Lol. Lol.

budaatum:
Listen to yourself heaping praise on me. I am so touched that my eyes mist over!

My beliefs are very relevant, to me, wherever I am. While I may appear to observers to be a Roman when I am in Rome, I am still buda atum, Omo Basorun, the Son of the King of the Heavens, wherever I may be, underneath my toga..

You, for one, know how my beliefs influence and motivate my bringing light from heaven. But just let me try convincing others that my beliefs are literally true and watch people ask me if I use a bucket or a suitcase to carry the sun from the heavens to the Orolu Kingdom. You may be aware of another who also claimed to be the Son of the King of Heavens. Do the words "Crucify him! Crucify him!!" sound familar? That's what people of this world do when they think you are asking them to see things as one does. They can't take it so they shut you up.

My beliefs should not be so relevant to others, is what I would like to be understood please. My beliefs are very relevant to me or else I would not believe them.

I believe you have been thinking, by the way. Missed you!

I am always respectful of others cultural/spiritual beliefs. I find that it mostly has the power they profess.

We should never let secular education blind us to truly rich cultural/spiritual heritage.

Omo Busorun, continue your sacred mission and bring light from heaven in this dark and excessively evil world.

budaatum:
There you go again with the snideness. Can't you help yourself?!


"You wait and see" Is what Obatala and Ogun people would say too.


You don't know anything about me. That's why I am here laughing.

My maternal great grandparents were Ifa Priests in the Orolu Kingdom. And because of it we are steeped in the Ifa awo. My paternal grandfather, the Basorun, was an Obatala Priest. Obatala is the Supreme God in Orolu Land. You might from this understand that I have pedigree.

Whenever I arrive in the Orolu Kingdom, I do a walk around the town as part of my os[h]a (I've added the h so it reads well), and I must start after 2am, for that is when the Spirits that ensure Orolu prospers roam around the Kingdom. The walk takes me past Saint John's - the first church in town, past the first mosque and past the Palace in front of which stands the I Bo Osa (Osa Shrine), and takes approximately 1.5 - 2 hours. And on it, I will meet nightwatchmen, who are Ogun worshippers, as nightwatchmen usually are in Yoruba land.

They will shout out, "Iwo wo lo nlo ni ibe yen?" (Who is it that goes there?). And I will respond, "Emi" (Me). They would ask, "Ta ni iwo?" (Who is 'me'?) and I will respond, "Emi Basorun". (Me, Basorun). You see, I'm not the Basorun, my uncle is, but we Basoruns have this thing that every Omo Basorun (Child of Basorun) refers to themselves as Basorun so when you see one, you have seen us all. They will then respond, "Te le jeje o, S'Orun" ('Thread on the ground softly, you the Heavenly Doer'), plus some other things. I will respond with the appropriate response, and go on my way.

Now, if you know anything about Yoruba land, you would know that my walk has a meaning to those who are in the know. What amazes them is that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo, ("The Child of the Old Man from London" - the old man, having spent years abroad and who appears to have practically lost all knowledge of the local culture), first, knows the role of his forefathers (walking around town in the middle of the night conversing with the Spirits and ensuring they keep on making the Kingdom prosper). Second, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo is brave enough to take on this role (The middle of the night in the Orolu Kingdom is when the Gods send the Spirits to place a mark on those who will depart from earth that day so, if you don't want to die, stay indoors!). And third, that Omo Baba Ilu Oyinbo knows the right things to say when the Spirits accost him on his walk (not knowing the right words is like not knowing the password, and if you get it wrong the Spirits will just make you depart from earth that very moment!). You might understand why, part of our response in the dialogue is the phrase "Ilu a toro o" (There will be peace and prosperity in the land o).

As Omo Basorun, it is my duty to go up into the heavens and bring light to my people. And the only way I can personally defy the Gods of the land is by me not performing the duty assigned to me by the Gods. And if I do not perform my duty, which is not just walking around town in the middle of the night but also going up into the heavens and bringing Light to my Kingdom, I, buda will die. But I like performing my duty, so buda, lives!


I hope from what I've said above that you would understand me when I say, in the old days, the Gods will tell the likes of myself to take those who defy them to the bottom of the river and bash their heads in and use their skulls to drink sekete. But like human sacrifices, which we did because our Gods required it, we do no more because we are not so stupid anymore. And since we, the doers of the errands of our Gods no more do that which we claimed our Gods told us to do, they, our Gods, have lost their potency to punish those who defy them. Now, they have learnt to forgive many times and make different demands of us.

But besides that, Omo Basorun (It means "Son of the King of the Heavens", in case you do not know), is not able to defy his father, 'The King of the Heavens'. And if anyone is bold enough to falsely accuse him of such a crime, the Son of the King of the Heavens will go up into the Heavens, get permission from his Father, The King of the Heavens, to blot out the light and the Kingdom will be in darkness!

My point is that my beliefs are irrelevant. When I am in Rome I am a Roman, And when I am in the Orolu Kingdom, I am Omo Basorun, the Son of the King of the Heavens who goes up to his Father, the King of the Heavens, from where he brings Light into the Orolu Kingdom.

Thanks for the language lessons. It helped me appreciate the deeper spiritual lesson you are sharing here.

I disagree with your point that your beliefs are irrelevant because you happen to be in Rome.
In spiritual reality. You are always Omo Basurun.

budaatum:
I was pulling up my skirt. I did not want anyone to see!

Lol really loud this time.

budaatum:
The Orolu Kingdom is 8 hours away from London, door to door at that. A blink of the eye and like one single step for the Son of the King of the Heavens. If they sneeze in the Kingdom, the Son hears it wherever she is. I do confess that modern technology helps.

I never expected you to understand anything I wrote, so your response hardly surprises me. Someone referred to you as Analice. Is that really you. It would explain a lot. Please note that your right to have your questions to buda answered has been suspended, though buda has the right to ignore this rule at any time she wishes.

Lol.

vaxx:
first of all, obatala, ogun or any other energies are not GODS. they are orisha. when you put it into yoruba syllable , it goes like this ori- ti- a- sha...meaning ,the head we specifically selected ...we do not worship orisha rather we honor and acknowledge them ,our cuilture
are characterized by a deep sense of the interdependence of all life. every life form and element of Nature has an inner soul force – including rivers, rocks, clouds, metals, flowers, thunder, and the wind. These natural energies that comprise the Universe are symbolically represented by Orisa . Each Orisa has its own specific function. Humans are in constant communication with Orisa energy, whether we’re aware of it or not. for instance, te-ki- ina- lo- Ji(press and let fire wake it) known as technology in English are simply a combination of iron, steel,metal and human ability to convert fire to electricity, coal to gas and so some other interesting things we do with fire.. so you can not defile this natural energy and go Scot free, the ogun and shango, are the symbolic representation of technology,(i.e. the inner soul in them)cars ,phones, electricity even cutlass or any other product of technology comes with their taboo, check the manual instructions, if you defile them, they will work against you... it work till today, as it work in the past no one defile the orisha and go Scot free.

Obatala is the symbolic representation of purity and cleanliness , No one defiles purity and cleanliness without facing the consequence.

I agree 100%, no one can escape the consequences. The rich fail daily, and they know not why.

vaxx:
To those who may not know about the two great people,Tagore and Eisenstein, they are both recipient of the most recognized award (Noble laureate)Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist who developed the general theory of relativity, one of the two pillars of modern physics and Tagore on the other hand was a Bengali polymath who reshaped his region's literature and music.

Well done VAXX, An awe inspiring read.

Gggg102:
I've answered

Ok, my humble apologise. I will go examine all your posts again.
All the best on your tough journey into TRUTH beyond intellect.

[quote author=butterflyl1on post=65543739][/quote]I really admire the patience you and OkCornel share with Gggg102.

A picture paints a thousand words to aid Gggg102 to understand. Now Butterfly1on has donated a sculpture after those actors, and Gggg102 may still need further learning aids.

OkCornel:
I'm awaiting your answers to the 5 questions I asked you

If you don't mind OkCornel, I am following here again.

I am also waiting for Gggg102 to answer.

Gggg102:
something being natural does not make it right.

rape is natural
murder is natural
incest is present in the natural world.

I think it will go well with me if I agree with you Gggg102. Please don't hold it against me if I agree with you.

Wishing you all the best for 2018.

butterflyl1on:
It's official

Damn, how do you get it right every time ? I mean employing the right actor to express those complex emotions on your behalf to someone that has never experienced the mind-blowing reality of the HOLY SPIRIT.

For now, Gggg102 can walk away with great value if he rather study all the actors you are sending him. LOL. REALLY LOUD !!!

butterflyl1on:
SMH

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/smhp.gif

once again I congratulate you on your choice of actors to express your true feelings about the insanity expressed by Gggg102.

Forgive me but your actors are giving me bouts of uncontrollable laughter. Lol, HHHaaaaaa hic hic

butterflyl1on:
And he showed you Acts 15 and I explained to you that Jesus shifted the foundation and gave you several references with explanations yet you do not understand what OkCornel was trying to say despite all I said in detail?

I even told you that the law is the shadow while Christ is the reality.

I told you the law brought sin while Christ brought righteousness of God

I told you the law brought death while Christ brought life etc

Yet you still could not understand anything?

Butterfly1on, you are an Instrument in the hands of the HOLY SPIRIT. That is why you can explain complex higher spiritual truths with such refreshing simplicity.

If Gggg102 still find it difficult to understand the mind-blowing superiority of Christianity over Judaism, he simply need to be pointed toward scientifically verifiable evidence of daily demonstrations of that supreme superiority.

If Gggg102 is a genuine truth SEEKER, he will have no problems finding scientifically verifiable evidence of what you have so eloquently taught him here.
I wish Gggg102 all the best on this difficult journey. Truth and wisdom won't fall on his lap.
The mighty JESUS said, "Seek and you will find."

butterflyl1on:
Muttleylaff do you see why I said I need to soak my entire body in ice? The pain this elicits....... I can't deal


[img]https://media1./images/09c075a32556feeb23c5943c3b5bd496/tenor.gif?itemid=3420322[/img]

Lol, You again chose the right actor to express your true feelings about THIS madness. I am rolling on the floor with laughter.

frank317:
Read ur post, u said atheist believe humans were created by nothing

NO-god created ATHEISTS out of nothing.

vaxx:
it is not about who he seems to be supporting, it is what should be the truth.... who knows he might even have a different view... i realized the atheist folks stay away from the discussion... sure they will, who argue self evidence, who argue personal experience, only the great scientist budaa does. you will soon enter the Guinness book of record as the only scientist to ever prove axioms.... that is a great feet

You guys are doing great. There seems to be an innocent misunderstanding of BudaAtums brilliant argument due to poor environmental conditions.

budaatum:
It's too late to move the conversation! And not for you to answer my question, you dishonest gnat!

At least you reminded me what I love about you. Lol

Lol. ROTFL

budaatum:
It's too late, and a great pity. I even considered copying the posts to a new thread, but that would be taking it out of the context of the posts that surround it. No worries though. Vaxx and I will return to this in the future. That however is no reason for not answering my question!

Can you point out how my reaction to vaxx differs to yours?

Frustrations abound in noise and distractions. Overlook the frustrations and shake hands. the work is not done.

My response to you now will have no value seeing that you said "it is too late." I will note this and respond at the appropriate time.

butterflyl1on:
My niggah, how have you been? You have been away for a while. Welcome back.

We are seeing a lot of spear throwing going here on this thread but as long as you can see the spear coming, you can avoid it. Keep your cool. We squeeze lemons and get Lemonade from them and not necessarily throwing away the lemons.

Let's see how we can make lemonade from all the lemons on this thread alright?

Aaaah ! Your kindness knows no bounds. I am well thanks. Thanks for the kind advice, yes I am fighting to keep my cool. I was about to get my horse and sword from the stable.

budaatum:
Now read the conversation below. It is what started this merry-go-round. Can you point out how my reaction differs to yours?




Now go back and see what I got, and which you seem to be supporting.

Do you know what I admire about the amazing dialogue between you and VAXX? No one is trying to simply score points. You both are engaging a very complex problem. There is too much distraction here. Agree to created a new topic exclusively for this. Following.

superhumanist:
What is this Tramadol addict saying

PLEASE STAY OFF MY MENTIONS COWARD. You start the insults uninvited, then when I respond you cowardly press the "REPORT"
button.

Dont waste my time, you are a low-level unregistered, Non fee/tithe paying Atheist. You like free rides. Go ride somewhere else !!

butterflyl1on:
Luke 4: 33 - 35




Demons do not like being confronted by the word of God. Even when the word isn't confronting them directly they still somehow react to it in an offensive manner.

Like In mark 5:12 when Jesus was just minding his business and the trademark "legion" possessor couldn't help but react.

It's the most consistent proof of demonic activity in a person.

What you say is absolutely true. There are tons of real life evidence that proves it to be true.
WatCH what happens when these words are spoken in public, "I LOVE YOU, JESUS."

butterflyl1on:


You are speaking mysteries which he cannot decipher.

He does not realise that light cannot be denied. Once someone who has been in darkness and it's torment for years sees light and the freedom and peace it brings he cannot deny it and would never want to return to darkness again not even when coerced.

Your wisdom is very refreshing to the soul.

budaatum:
So, I point to vaxx walking towards us, and that is not sufficient evidence for you, because I am an atheist?

Does the fact I am an atheist make you blind?


I don't remember saying "self observable evidence is not objective, it is merely subjective". But I should have said it and hope I did, because I agree with the statement. If a thing is only evident to me, it is not sufficient for me to convince others it is there (well, unless I am their god and they believe whatever I tell them!). But, lets look at my example above.

I say, "vaxx is coming". (Subjective view of mine)

You say, "where?" (Requesting objective evidence)

I point to vaxx whom is walking towards us (Presenting the object vaxx)

You see vaxx - if indeed he is walking towards us and the atheist is not just lying (Objective evidence seen!)

The fact is that if you see vaxx coming towards us, the evidence is no more the sole "self observable evidence" of mine. It becomes the "evidence observable by you too", i.e., Objective, as in, seen by any other subject irrespective of your stupid subjective biases!

You make excellent points BudaAtum. Therefore, I will respectfully address only the bolded RED.
My experiences of the Atheistic mind-set is that they are very suspicious and unbelieving when told something. So, out of respect for their own attitudes toward subjective spoken evidence, I clone their thinking for the sake of polite conversation.

When you said that "VAXX is walking towards us," I instinctively responded "Prove it."

Consider this Sir, It is an objective fact that a large group of Christian people claim to “hear God’s voice” when they hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and/or read the Bible.

The New Testament itself testifies to this, doesn’t it?
1) “What then is this, a new teaching with authority” (Capernaum Synagogue, Mark 1:27);

2) “To whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.” (Peter, John 6:68);

3) “No-one ever spoke the way this man does” (the temple guards sent to arrest Jesus, John 7:46);

4) “My sheep hear my voice” (Jesus, John 10:27);

5) “When I came to you my message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power... If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command” (Paul to the Corinthians, 1 Cor 2:1-4, 14:37);

6) “God made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ” (2 Cor 4:6);

7)“Our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction...when you received the Word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the
word of God, which is at work in you who believe” (Paul to the Thessalonians, 1Thes 1:4-5, 2:13);

“You have been born again...through the living and enduring word of God” (1Peter 1:23);

“You have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth” (1 John 2:20).


We must remember to respect VAXX's profound explanation when he said, "I will do my best to explain a little here... ''axioms are assumptions accepted and chosen by individual scientific workers is certainly a fact, but only a superficial one. A more penetrating notion is that while scientific axioms are continuous with the assumptions of everyday thinking, they are factors necessary in carrying on intellectual and scientific work. Whether known or unknown to the worker, no intellectual work can be organized into a system of interpretation and explanation without the operation of axioms as basic assumptions.
In a notable sense scientific work attains its meaning and significance largely in the measure of its deliberate inclusion of assumptions guiding the work''

vaxx:
The analogy He is using is faulty for two reasons...... do you both have the same objective personality of whom vaxx is.....maybe you are both seeing vaxx for the first time....how will you judge that this is indeed vaxx...?


2.... Let's assume you both know vaxx but you happen to see vaxx coming before you and BudaAtum pointed that this is vaxx coming. How sure is he that you will not have your own subjective evidence of whom vaxx should be? Which might not even be the same as his.....both of you can only agree for the sake of mental inconvenience that vaxx should be this and that.....

Well said VAXX !! You and BudaAtum are both giants here. The level of thinking you both are engaging requires absolute silence and focus. The myriad of distractions here are not fair to both of you.

We will support you as silent spectators/students, if you both can quickly agree to move over to a new tread/topic.

budaatum:
...............Now that's funny. If I see vaxx coming towards me, I'll say, "I see vaxx coming towards me". Assume now that sciencewatch says "prove it", I just point to vaxx coming towards me. It would be odd if sc says, "that's not proof", since it is self evident. The evidence for proving that "vaxx is coming towards me", is the self observable evidence that Vaxx is indeed, at that particular moment, coming towards me!

But like I said, the fact you claim I do not know what I'm talking about shows how much of it you hear. Enjoy Sunday.

BudaAtum, I agree with your beautiful example because Sciencewatch will never believe what someone tells him. He always exhaust himself digging for evidence.

Yes BudaAtum, I will have to say prove it, if you say that VAXX is coming toward you. You say that you will simply point to VAXX. No Sir, that will not be enough for me because I have learned so much from Atheists here.

You have asserted elsewhere that self observable evidence is not objective, it is merely subjective. Which means that even if I agree with you, Atheists will forever doubt what we saw, we both could be hallucinating.

Therefore it is odd that I say to you Sir, "that is not proof."