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cocoman4u:
Lie! Lie! Lie!
What you are doing here is draging the question or looking for a sacpe goat. Justcol did not allege that "you" was omitted in the KJV, The "you" was actually omitted in KJV, therefore it cannot be an allegation. He compared KJV with other English translations, and actually in KJV, the word "you" was actualy omitted(missing). Omitted simply means "left out," "not included" "disregarded". In KJV the word "you" which most English translations included was omitted. You can argue that the omittion was correct because the word "you" was not on the original Greek verse. But you cannot say the "you" was not omited in KJV when compared with other english translations. justcol was compareing KJV with other English translations not the original greek version.

Besides, anybody who know about languages and translations, knows that you do not translate sentences word by word. In order to convey the right meaning, when translating, words may be added or removed. This is done in-order to comply the operations of the language. I will give an example;

In English you can say, "One should wash ones hands before eating." When translating this sentence to igbo or some other languages, you have to remove the "one" at the begining of the sentence otherwise it will not make sense in igbo. In igbo "one" which means "ofu or Otu" cannot be used to denote a person as it is usualy used in English. If you tranlate the sentence word by word in igbo, you will have, "Otu kwesiri ikwo aka tupu otu eri ihe." This hardly makes sence. Therefore in-order to rightly translate the sentence in igbo, you will have to remone the "one"(otu) at the begining and replace it with either "you, a person, or a humanbeing."
Therefore the correct transaltion on igbo will be, "Mmadu(humangeing) kwseiri ikwo aka tupu ori ihe."

Therefore the fact that the word "you" was not in the original Gree version does not mean that it should not be in the English version. In-order to convey the right meaning of that verse in English, the word "you" is added at the begining. Otherwise the meaning may be distorted. This thread made me research on translations and perticularly John 5:39. The truth is the utterer of that verse does not recomend the scriptures as the source of eternal life. He says that the scriptures bear witness of Him yet they do not come to Him. I believe that Jesus only recomended Himself as the source of eternal life, not the scriptues. Actaully that verse warns against the attitude that poeple have towards the bible today. It also shows that the scriptures can prevent sombody from going to christ, if that person takes the scriptures to be all and all.

I clearly see why the word "you" should be at the begining of the sentence in-order to convey the right meaning of the verse. In English if you say "search the scriptures, " it is usually taken as a command. But when you say, "You search the scriptures, " Depending on how the rest of the sentence goes, this may not be a command.
Therefore, in-order for the sentence to make sense in English and still hold it's original greek meaning it should be translated as, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." The concluding parts of the sentence shows that it is not a command, so in English it will not be very correct to start it with a commanding tone.

I am greatful for this thread because I leant alot from it and the researches that it forced me to do.

Word!

worthy also to mention that in English when ever you address an issue with: "You think, or they Think." It usualy means that you don't agree with their line of thought. Or that what they think is not an established truth. If waht they think is the Truth, you cannot say, "you think" rather you will say, "You know"

If I say to you, "you respond that way because you think that I am a man." This usually means that I don't agree that I am a man or that I don't consider that your thinking of me as a man is right.
If I agree that I am a man or if it is an established truth, then I will say, "you respond that way because you know that I am a man"

If I say, "you go to america because you think that there is money there." Does this mean that I think that there is money in america? No!

If it is an established truth that there is money in America, I will say, "you go to america becuase you know that there is money there."

If I say, "You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life"
This means that I don't believe that there is eternal life in the scriptures, otherwise I would have said, "You search the scriptures because you know that in them you have eternal life."

cocoman4u:
Lie! Lie! Lie!
What you are doing here is draging the question or looking for a sacpe goat. Justcol did not allege that "you" was omitted in the KJV, The "you" was actually omitted in KJV, therefore it cannot be an allegation. He compared KJV with other English translations, and actually in KJV, the word "you" was actualy omitted(missing). Omitted simply means "left out," "not included" "disregarded". In KJV the word "you" which most English translations included was omitted. You can argue that the omittion was correct because the word "you" was not on the original Greek verse. But you cannot say the "you" was not omited in KJV when compared with other english translations. justcol was compareing KJV with other English translations not the original greek version.

Besides, anybody who know about languages and translations, knows that you do not translate sentences word by word. In order to convey the right meaning, when translating, words may be added or removed. This is done in-order to comply the operations of the language. I will give an example;

In English you can say, "One should wash ones hands before eating." When translating this sentence to igbo or some other languages, you have to remove the "one" at the begining of the sentence otherwise it will not make sense in igbo. In igbo "one" which means "ofu or Otu" cannot be used to denote a person as it is usualy used in English. If you tranlate the sentence word by word in igbo, you will have, "Otu kwesiri ikwo aka tupu otu eri ihe." This hardly makes sence. Therefore in-order to rightly translate the sentence in igbo, you will have to remone the "one"(otu) at the begining and replace it with either "you, a person, or a humanbeing."
Therefore the correct transaltion on igbo will be, "Mmadu(humangeing) kwseiri ikwo aka tupu ori ihe."

Therefore the fact that the word "you" was not in the original Gree version does not mean that it should not be in the English version. In-order to convey the right meaning of that verse in English, the word "you" is added at the begining. Otherwise the meaning may be distorted. This thread made me research on translations and perticularly John 5:39. The truth is the utterer of that verse does not recomend the scriptures as the source of eternal life. He says that the scriptures bear witness of Him yet they do not come to Him. I believe that Jesus only recomended Himself as the source of eternal life, not the scriptues. Actaully that verse warns against the attitude that poeple have towards the bible today. It also shows that the scriptures can prevent sombody from going to christ, if that person takes the scriptures to be all and all.

I clearly see why the word "you" should be at the begining of the sentence in-order to convey the right meaning of the verse. In English if you say "search the scriptures, " it is usually taken as a command. But when you say, "You search the scriptures, " Depending on how the rest of the sentence goes, this may not be a command.
Therefore, in-order for the sentence to make sense in English and still hold it's original greek meaning it should be translated as, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." The concluding parts of the sentence shows that it is not a command, so in English it will not be very correct to start it with a commanding tone.

I am greatful for this thread because I leant alot from it and the researches that it forced me to do.

Word!

worthy also to mention that in English when ever you address an issue with: "You think, or they Think." It usualy means that you don't agree with their line of thought. Or that what they think is not an established truth. If waht they think is the Truth, you cannot say, "you think" rather you will say, "You know"

If I say to you, "you respond that way because you think that I am a man." This usually means that I don't agree that I am a man or that I don't consider that your thinking of me as a man is right.
If I agree that I am a man or if it is an established truth, then I will say, "you respond that way because you know that I am a man"

If I say, "you go to america because you think that there is money there." Does this mean that I think that there is money in america? No!

If it is an established truth that there is money in America, I will say, "you go to america becuase you know that there is money there."

If I say, "You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life"
This means that I don't believe that there is eternal life in the scriptures, otherwise I would have said, "You search the scriptures because you know that in them you have eternal life."

@pilgrim
there you go looking for trouble again. You intimidate poeple in this forum but You will not intimidate the likes of me. I will not be like justcool who lets things go for the sake of peace. I will reply to all you post.

pilgrim.1:
@justcool,

I didn't take offence - and that appeal is not saying anything to my rejoinder. I saw the fact that your addressed your rejoinder to Kunle; but you also mentioned "people" several times, did you not? I asked who was saying the things you alleged - did you care to give any answers? If not, is that not saying something about the allegations being false?

You are not the only person in Nairaland who qualify as poeple, how come you are the only one to take offense? Guilty conscience? the guy did not allege anything, peoeple has been attacking kunleOshob all along this thread.
Did you not write this to kunleoshob

pilgrim.1]You always cry the victim's song of people insulting you, but are very much at home to use such slobbers when you don't ever want to discuss. If there were issues, the sane and simple thing to do was point them out and request answers - not demand them and then cry the victim's song again. Thanks for the "typical" assumption, though[/quote]

pilgrim.1:
Kunle,

Please go and study your heart. You really don't have a clue about these issues, and even if one has to take you up on simple matters in the Bible, you still don't even know the ABCs of that Book. If you are seeking to protect your predispositions, no worries: but you haven't seen anything yet until stuff begin to happen to you!

pilgrim.1:
There is a term which people have used to describe this kind of problem: syncretism.

pilgrim.1:
Now, the above is not to say that I direct syncretism as a malady to KunleOshob. . at best, it seems that is where he had begun to be inclined while still alleging that others are "ignorant". We are thankful. All the same, if one cannot trust the Bible and only believes that God's Word is written on our hearts, is it not hypocritical for such people to appeal to the same Bible when arguing a case?

These are just a few quotes where you not only attacked the guy but insinuated that he sufferes from syncretism.



[quote author=pilgrim.1:
@justcool,
Okay, I hear. Let them read and see who's been making false allegations - when shown, you still stand by them, yes?

You are the person always picking a fight and making false allegation. You have demonstreted this in all the threads that you posted on.

pilgrim.1:
@justcool,

Lol, was that supposed to be a threat or what? Bros, relax. . if you want God to fight for His servants, you're defintely not on solid grounds to claim such a waver. I have asked questions, and making this shakara is not the same thing as addressing them. Where's the "fight" there?

Here again you insulting. Saying that he is making shakara. You say that he doent stand a solid ground, are you God? Believe me pilgrim there is nothing Christlike in you. All you do is fight and fight and fight and fight against people. You are fighting him because he gave his own advice to KunleOshob, doent he have to right to contribut. He  didnt mention your name in his contribution, so why fight the guy??

pilgrim.1:
@justcool,

Oh brother!! Please show me O. . I may have forgotten! I beg you in the name of being "Christ-like", just show me gently. Thank you, dear sir.

You have forgoten!!! I thought you are god. does god forget? I thought you know the bible Even if you cant find where mathew said it, the fact remains that John said and it is in the bible. or is john not part of the bible? or is mathew not inagreement with john?

@justcool
I dont know why you let people like pilgrim 1 intimidate you. This is not the first post that you have had to ru away from because of her stupidity. I dont mean to insult you but knowing you personaly, I find it strange that you let the likes of pilgrim talk down on you.

@justcool
Thanks for a wonderful clearification. Indeed you threw alot of light on the situation for me.
It all makes sense now, even the issue of Judas betraying Jesus. They have always taught me that it was God's will that Judas should betray Jesus. But I keep asking, "if so, why then was Judas cursed for betraying Jesus?" But now I know that it was not God's will but Lucifers will. The issue of man possesing free will answers a lot of question.
The way I see it is this, if an enemey is about to land in Abuja airport, then the Nigerian millitery will move towards the airpot to attack the enemy. I take the jews and the Germans to represent the airport. When Jesus was born among the jews, the enemy or the devil moved towards the jews to fight Jesus. I belive, like you said that lucifer was trying to win over the disciples. And I think thats why the bible said that Jesus once said to Peter, "get behind me satan." Indeed satan was trying to use peter.

I will be at starbucks coffee today, and I hope I will see you there. I havent seen you in a while, why?

@enitan2002
Thanks also for a wondeful clearification. I think you amswered all the questions that Justcool gave to me as a food for thought. It makes a lot of sense, considering all the powers that the Germans possed at that time. One thing that is striking to me is how people find it imposible to be indifrent towards the jews and also the Germans. Everywhere you see a jew, there always poeple hating them extrememly and people loving them extremely. i think about things like antisemitanisim, and expressions like, "jew man" and I wonder why the jews deserve so much hatrade. And I think the same thing is happening to Germans. Even the history channel spend most of the time anaylzing the second world war, Hitler, Nazi, all these things have to do with Germany. Indeed there was a terrible power in Germany during the time of the second world war.
Putting your post and Justcools post together really answers the question.
Also, I want you to know that I am reading the Grail Message, but I am not done yet.

@Pastor AIO

Pastor AIO:
I've heard that argument before. According to Fela Kuti Nigeria is the most Spiritually advanced place in the world and that is why there is so much Corruption.

I dont think that's exactly what justcool meant. I dont think justcool and fela are saying the same thing.
But anyway sha, we all see things our own way.

@ Pastor AIO
Your ignorance is outstanding. No amount of rubissh from you will justify you calling Germans generally cold and unsentimental temperament that values might and power above all else. And you dared comeback and claimed that you never called them bad.
Its like saying that sombody stole from you and then at the same time saying that that person is not a thief. You may not have used the word "bad" but you infered it!.
I don't know your level of education but your ignorance is astunding! Germany exsisted even during the time of the roman empire. I think the romans refered to them as Gull. Read Julius Ceacer's "gullic wars". The German empire was formed in 18 January 1871. They became a republic in 23 May 1949. But before the empire, Germany had been in exisitance for decades of years. I repeat, Germany is older than America which was born in July 4, 1776. America got their indepence from Great Britain. Germany got their indepence from the roman empire, just like Great Britain. At first they were called the Holy Roman empire, which was formed in 962.
Man get your facts right!
If you understand that your criterial for judgeing spiritual maturity may be different from other, then why do you call Justcool's post bolony? From what justcool posted, this is what he said:

justcool:
". He incarnates among the people who are spiritually developed enough to receive him. And in an environment that will allow Him to fulfill His task."

I don't see where he said that the Germans are the most spiritually advanced poeple on earth. Please if you refereing to another post, post it and lets see it.

The fact that sombody cried and apologised is actually a sign of being civiliced. Even here in America, educated poeple always apologise when their emotions takes over them. It is simple cortesey.
I hate it when poeple gerneralize about an entire poeple just because of a few. We Nigerians who are always victims sterotype should be the last poeple to do that. Just because you met a few Germans, you feel knowlegable enough to call the entire Germans generally cold and unsentimental temperament that values might and power above all else. It is things like this that cause racial wars and tensions. How would you feel is you are a german and come across a post where your entire poeple are discribed as cold?
Germans are known for their effectiveness, and their ingenuity in biulding effecient machines, even we Nigerians have expressions like, "German engine."

@justcool
i am still waiting to see why the likes of Hitler and Nazism was found among the poeple "who are spiritually developed enough to receive Abd-ru-shin. And in an environment that will allow Him to fulfill His task."
M_nwankwo please answere, or is Justcool wrong?

@Pastor AIO
Germans are not that bad. My sister lived in Germany for more than ten years, she still thinks that Germans are the nicest poeple she ever met. She had a legitimate Job there, and she says that the poeple were so good to her and her family to the extent that when she was migrating to America, all her neigbors in Germany were crying like babies. So many Nigerians in Germany are into illigal things, which the Germans and their Government frown upon, this makes Nigerians say that they are bad.
Hitler decieved Germans. He is not a hero in Germany today. His party, Nazi is also very unpopuler. So many Germans, even during the world war, knew that the war was unjust, but some of them were just fighting out of petrotisim. Just as so many Americans think that the war in Iraq is wrong yet they fight out of petrotisim for America.
Hitler, Nazi and the world war was just one apple. don't use one event to qualify a whole poeple who have exsisted for a very long time.  Remenber that Hitler was a dictator. Racisim and racial superiority was introduced to Germans by the nazi party. I dont want to mention where Hitler leant that from. But research into it. Infact Hitler actually is not a full blooded German. Hitler has a Jewish background and some Historians say that he was actualy Austrian. He used the German poeple who were very gulible. Please research further into the issue.
Will you say that Americans are bad becuase of the iraqi war or becuase of bush?
If those things that you mentioned are the only bad things in history for a country as old as Germany(even older than America), then they are not bad at all.
Even the jews who are God's Chosen pople had some bad apples, like King Herod. But this doest not justify calling the jews a bad poeple. PLEESSSE!!!!

@justcool
Although I disagree with Pastor AIO but I do not see how the atrocities that he mentioned showed the correctness of your explanation. Please explain.

QuotaSyste:
Bia, this person, are you for real? How did my quote above equate to Britain siding with the Biafrans during the war? Look at how much time and energy you wasted trying to convince me without even reading through the lines of my comment. Now, i tell you, go back and read what i wrote to understand it very well.

@QuotaSyste
I think somthing is wrong with my key bord. Parts of my earlier post was deleted. What I intended to say was:

My friend you are right. You (people who insuniated that Britain sided with Biafra) must be from planet Jupiter, because you have no idea of what happened during the war!

Sorry for the mistake.

QuotaSyste:
Is he not from the north? What do you expect? One of them even insinuated that Britain sided with the Biafrans during the war. Can you imagin? Those people's IQ are no better than nama's.

@QuotaSyste
My friend you must be from planet jupiter, because you have no idea of what happened during the war!

It is a well know and documented fact that Britain supported Nigeria during the war. At a time despite British help to Nigeria the war was at a stalemate. Despite all the help that Nigeria got and despite the genocide and war crimes that Nigeria committed against Biafra, Nigeria could not win the war, hence the stalemate. Meanwhile through the help of neutral journalists like Fredrick Forsyth, the world was show evidence of the genocide, war crimes and the blocked done to Biafra. Prior to that Nigeria denied such allegations until Fredrick Forsyth provied pictures of the atrocities done to Biafra. This attracted sympathy for Biafra and mounted pressure on the British prime minister who had always defended Nigeria. Also at that point a new election was comming up in Britain, and the prime minister feared that if the war continued in stalemate, people might not for him. There were Protests (peaceful demonstrations) in Britain asking the Prime minister to end the war and stop the genocide in Biafra. It was obvious for him that if left alone Nigeria cannot defeat Biafra, and if Biafra wins, worst things that Nigeria did during the war will be revealed to the world. So he had to end the war in favour of Nigeria, in-order to save his reputation for the upcoming election. Therefore he intensified Britains support for Nigeria. At this point the war was almost between Biafra and Britain . This is how Nigeria won the war.

Read your history. Read the story from unbiased and neutral writers(foreign writers). Don't just read and believe what Nigeria writes about the war.


I will tell you another shamefull fact:
Biafra captured the midwest at the beginning of the war and occupied that area. Not even one genocide was committed by Biafra during Biafra's occupation of midwest. The moment Nigeria recaptured that region, from the midwest to asaba, Nigeria tied all the igbo speaking people in that area(including women and children) and shot them at close range and fromthe back. This is one of the genocide that Fredrick Forsyth reported to world. This is a terrible genocide done by the battalion led by Murtala Mohamed.

davidylan:
permit me but your question is very foolish. Your response to justcool's clear explanation is even worse.
If Christ had come to China, you'D ask why He wasnt sent to Africa. If Christ came to Ghana, you'D ask why He wasnt sent to the Jews. In essence, with the stupid . . . God can never win. Would it have made more sense if Christ had divided Himself into billions and sent Himself to every tribe at once?

Ok lets look at another scenario . . . millions of Nigerians living in Nigeria will NEVER see their Yar Adua face to face . . . does that mean he is president only to those who can see and talk to him?

Read justcool's post again, it made tons of sense (even just the first 5 sentences was enough) . . . read it without a closed mind which is simply waiting to entrench your flawed position.

Word!

@mazaje
Please don't take this in a bad way but my advice to you is to see a psychiatrist. First of all it is absurd that you will ask such a question considering that middle east is part of the world. Dont you know geography? Middle east is not in Jupiter, it is part of the world.
Justcool gave you a wonderfull and detailed explanation, your reply to his post is just ridiculous and completely devoid of any sense. Why do you reply his valid logic with Biblical verses when you dont believe in the Bible. This is not a good strategy for argument, seeking to validate your argument with verses that you consider false and made up.

davidylan also gave you a wonderfull analogy in his post above yet you still make noise.

A wise man knows when quietly to dismiss himself.

@lipuka
You are very correct and I agree 100% with you. The problem with Africans, especially we Nigerians is inferiority complex. It is a shame that we abandon our beautiful culture( a culture which even white people respect) and try to adopt other people's culture.
They appear as freaks when they change their names and try to change their accent. It is very shamfull. Life in America has taught me that every people have accents. Infact many people(whites and etc) think that the Nigerian accent is very sexy. But unfortunately most Nigerians try to change their accent. They never really succeed in changing their accents or acting like whites, rather they end up talking like freaks and looking like fools.
Fake accent and trying to be white is also a form deceit. Another form of 419, somebody trying or claimimg to be who he is not.

RichyBlacK:
@topic,

As seeklove stated, Murtala Mohammed was guilty of war crimes during the Biafran War. His men killed Igbos, young and old, in cold blood from Umunede to Asaba. They continued into the Igbo heartland but were routed at Abagana! For his unique style of evil during the Biafran War, I've never really had any respect for him. His assassination by Dimka was karma.

My favorite military regime remains Buhari/Idiagbon. This Muslim-Muslim duo, did so much good for Nigeria, and tried to bring back Nigeria's glory. It's not about religion but about character. In my opinion, no government since then has come close! May Idiagbon's soul rest in peace!


@everybody,
[size=18pt]The naira was introduced in 1973 while Gowon, not Murtala, was head of state.[/size]

Word!!!!!!!
The issue here is not religion! The issue is the character and leadership of Murtala Mohamed. Let us remain objective and not make this thread a religious war arena.

I can't believe what I am reading in this thread!

Murtala Mohamed was a villain who, if in a civilized country, should have been tried and hanged for his war crimes.
Murtala Mohamed committed a lot of war crimes during the Nigerian/Biafran war. He also was a terrible soldier; He made so many mistakes during the war, to the extent that Gowon had to replace. He was relieved of his duties during the war due to his tactical errors and shamefull war crimes. Because of the shame of being relieved of his duties, he ran away to Great Britain where he remained till the end of the war.

The fact that he was a dictator who took power by force is enough for him to be considered a villain! He participated in the coup of July 1966, where almost all the Igbos in the military were killed including Aguiyi Ironsi. He also participated in the coup that disposed of Gowons regime.

Nigeria named Ikeja airport after him for what!! Just because he illegally highjacked and ceased the airport during the July 1966 coup so that no plane will take off to rescure Aguiyi Ironsi!

Nigeria is a terrible country that rewards people just because of their ethnicity.

Great and internationally decorated soldiers like Aguiyi Ironsi, who never participated in any coup, never stole a penny from Nigeria, and who died on duty while trying to make Nigeria one, should be respected and not war criminals like Murtala Muhamed.

Please Nigerians research on your history!

I wasnt yet born when all these happened but I garthered these information from researching into Nigerian History. If I'am wrong please give me facts, and show where I am wrong.

justcool:
@huxley
Pardon me!! But do I have to explain everything to you.
Cant you see the relationship between curiosity(questioning), knowledge, and belief or conviction. Haven't you ever taken any psychology class?

Curiosity is a desire for knowledge, and out of knowledge comes belief or conviction.

Should I explain further? Okay, I will:
One who is curious of something shows that he desires the knowledge of that particular thing and also that he has the ability to posses that knowledge.
Sometimes questions arise out of a knowledge that we have, slumbering, inside us. By questioning, we awaken this knowledge that is already inside us but only slumbering.
There is no knowledge that questioning did not precede. And their is no belief or conviction that knowledge did not precede.
Therefore, sometimes, for one to question something, means that he already posses the knowledge but have not yet fatformed or deciphered it. By questioning he will gradually decipher the knowledge that already lies in his subconscious mind.

I hope this is clear enough. I can go further if you want.

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m_nwankwo:
You have not yet answered how you know that a child is born an atheist. Neither have you given any scientific method by which one can independently verify your postulation. The example you gave with your son is an anecdote. Anecdotes are purely personal and subjective. It is not a research method employed in scientific enquiry. Besides a 4 year old child is not the same as new born. Does your child display knowlege of atheism?

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justcool:
@huxely,
The above have absolutely nothing with what I wrote. I never defined knowledge as "True and justified belief," those are your words not mine.
You smartly avoided going into my explanations because you cannot deny the fact that:
(1) At a certain age (usually around 18) every individual begins to serious question the origin of life and existence, even if the person has never been taught about God.
(2) Curiosity always precedes knowledge. Sometimes curiosity arises from a knowledge deep within the subconscious mind. By questioning one gradually deciphers this knowledge that lies hidden his subconscious mind or the back brain.

Don't avoid issues!

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james1:
the 2 of you should understand that God is a God of abundant mercy and also a consuming fire!
should the children not change from the ways of their father(if it is sinful)they will will be rewarded with the sin of their father!

@ james1
what is your point?? You are just repeating what "Justcool" has already said. Justcool said the same thing with the following words:

justcool:
Even many years after the man who invented it has died, as long as the belief is still passed down, from generation to generation, in his family, the evil remains. [b]And the consequence of this evil, will remain and afflict the family from generation to generation until one generation realises that this belief is wrong.
If they discard this wrong belief and seek God; they will find the Truth, and consequently, the curse will fall away from them.[/b]Therefore be careful with what you teach your descendants. The man who teaches his descendants wrong teachings, will remain held in the beyond after he dies; he will not be able to ascend to Paradise as long as his wrong teaching remains in the family. Even if it takes centuries.

Therefore the children are not being punished for the sins their father commited, the childeren are being punished for their own sins or for doing the evil that their father taught them. If they stop doing the evils that their father did, then their curse will be lifted from them.

I have discussed this issue with "Justcool" in the past, I wrote to him through his personal e-mail and this is what he said based on his knowlege from the Grail Message:

Generational curse does not imply that it is God who curses the descendants.
"The sins of the fathers shall be vissited on to the sons," does not mean that it is God who does this injustice by making the sons suffer for the sins of their fathers. It is we humans that are responsible for this injustice. How??
I will give an example:
A man teaches his son that God does not exist. This teaching and the belief(atheism) resulting from it is evil will remain in the family. Even after the father dies, the son still carries this belief; and he may teach his sons the same thing. And from generation on to generation the evil continues. Even many years after the man who invented it has died, as long as the belief is still passed down, from generation to generation, in his family, the evil remains. And the consequence of this evil, will remain and afflict the family from generation to generation until one generation realises that this belief is wrong.
If they discard this wrong belief and seek God; they will find the Truth, and consequently, the curse will fall away from them.
Therefore be careful with what you teach your descendants. The man who teaches his descendants wrong teachings, will remain held in the beyond after he dies; he will not be able to ascend to Paradise as long as his wrong teaching remains in the family. Even if it takes centuries.

Therefore be careful with what you teach your descendants. You will be held accountable for whatever you teach people. Even everything you write in the Nairaland forum; you must one day face the consequences.

I definitly agree with him

@all
Wow. All I can say is that I agree with justcool. He explained everything men. I didnt know all these things before he explanined them. men this is a thread of knowlege.

@justcool
More grease to your elbows.

@huxely
how come you did not reply justcol's first post where he asked you questions. I will like to see your counter agurement, or do you agree with him? Did he convince you??
Maybe, you are now a beliver

Oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This guy kobojunkie is just a fool. Look how you disgrace yourself. Everything you said in this post and the other thread;
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-143728.0.html are complete bullshit.

This is what you get when ignorance meets hatred.

Please go back to school or commit yourself to a mental institution. It is people like this fool who proudly call himself a junkie, that give Nigeria a bad name.

@Kobojunkie

After reading your last post I have to say that You are a complete fool without reservations. You insulted justcool and just for the sake of peace he apologised(eventhough he did noting wrong), and you have the guts to reply and talk complete nonsense. It is people like you that give Nigeria a bad name. You cant even behave responsibly even in a forum. I am sure that you exhibit the same behaviour wherever you are and that why you don't have problem with people calling Nigerians scammers. You are a scammer.

You call yourself a junkie and still open your mouth about people being bad.
You are a complete liar, idiot and a junky.

You are very stupid. I doubt your level of education. Look at the English you write!
You call somebody, "another dishonest Nigerian." What has Nigeria got to do with me being dishonest. Read my posts and yours and lets see who is dishonest.

Your are a complete fool.

texazzpete:
@justcool
The true patriots are those who constantly strive to improve their country. I am yet to see any sign of what seeklove and ifygurl have done to improve this country, so holding them up as a shining example of Nigerian patriotism is seriously flawed.


That's simplistic logic at work. Nigeria's rot starts from the people, not neccessarily with the government alone.
If in 99% of the threads concerning 419 on Nairaland most respondents offer tacit support for the crime, what has the Government to do with that?

There's a thread on paying taxes in this Politics section. over 70% of the people replying insisted they would not pay taxes. So who's the traitor? The Government or the individuals refusing to pay taxes?

I really do not want to argue with you. But please can someone show me where in this quote below is evidence that Kobojunkie hates Nigeria

We ARE living with mediocrity! Take a look at the NEPA going on strike thread and see the resignation Nigerians have when it comes to power problems. Is the thorough exasperation Nigerians have for our roads and utilities conveyed in the gist ifygurl gets from her dad?

I live and work in Nigeria. I've travelled overseas several times but i've always been glad to come back to my country. But i know what happens here, i know the hardship people go through here in this country and noone living outside the country is going to tell me that things are perfect here.

@texazzpete
It is unfortunate that you completely misread Justcool's post.
texazzpete, I will delete this post if I were you. You read but you dont understand. Terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SeanT21:
So give it up and stop being anti-american.

Ha Ha Ha
Look at who is calling me anti-American. Well my dear, America does not think so, they made me a citizen. I am an citizen of America so you should be kissing my ass, since you think America and Americans are gods.

superman:
it doesn't worth the effeort here tryin talk to these deluded Nigerians!!! of all they posted, you  already know they replicate what white people implies  docile human beings(oh ha black race) u right? you are just merely walking looser on the making! they always think their opinion are flawless. As a Nigerian which is your country, you,you, and me have the fundamental responbilities to involve in the nation building,

My brother you completely got it!
Do you know that a white friend of mine once told me a joke, He said:
"if you want a Nigerian to slit his mother's throat, tell him that if he does it you will give him a white woman or let him live in America."

The truth is the whole world knows that most Nigerians have inferiority complex. That's part of the reasons why Nigerians are treated badly. That's why Oprah said what she said. So knows that no matter what she says about Nigerian, there will always be Nigerians to kiss her American ass.
Do you know what they call fat and ugly women in America? The type of women that cannot get any decent man. Such women are called "Abandoned for Nigerians" or "Reserved for Nigerians."

deor03:
@ seeklove
Crime rate in SA is far higher than what is obtainable in Nigeria but do you see a reflection of that in the media?
We have the largest concentration of BLACK people in the world , so we shouldn't expect anything less.

You couldn't have said it better. Nigeria is the most populated black nation. Out of every four black people, one is a Nigerian. If this is so, then it logically follows that out of every four crimes committed by blacks one has to be a Nigerian. It doesn't mean that most Nigerians are criminals. It only means that most black people are Nigerians.

What these Nigeria-hating Nigerians don't know is that nations are like individuals, every individual has a butt. It is the individuals duty to cover his/her own butt. Every country has a bad part. It is the duty of the citizens to defend and promote a good image of their country. Pride is infectious. If we Nigerians become proud of our great Nation, it will also affect others and make them respect Nigeria.

Lets be proud of our country! God was not a fool to make us Nigerians!

For those who worship American government, Please click on this link:

www.fa-ir.org/90.htm

I am not saying that American is evil and I am not saying that all Nigerians are good. What I am saying is that in all contries there are good and bad people. Nigeria is not an exception, there are good and honest Nigerians one of which I am.
What bugs me is why people view everybody from Nigeria as evil. Even Nigerians themself perpetuate this lie. But anybody who knows psychology will know that for somebody to say that all his country men are dishonest, this shows that that person too is dishonest.
If you consider yourself honest and you are a Nigerian, dosen't this prove that not all Nigerians are dishonest?
we the good Nigerians should not let the bad ones ruin our reputation. If people say such things( that Nigerians are dishonest) tell them that it is a lie and prove them wrong by your words and actions.
Become an exemplary Nigerian. This is the way to uplift your country.

Nigeria is a great country and not all Nigerians are dishonest.

Kobojunkie:
@Seeklove, I have to say, you are just another dishonest nigerian looking for an excuse to claim love for Nigeria and I must say, after going through your posts, I really do not think it worth my time engaging you much. I tried to make sense of your posts but the more I read, the more I believed it was not worth replying. I am going to guess @Palmwine will actually post more reasonable responses than what you have pulled out so far in defense of your "BELOVED NIGERIA". Good luck with your delusions and let me keep mine.

Obviously you cannot answer my questions. You are right: I love Nigeria.
By calling me a "dishonest nigerian" you have shown what you are made of. You easily resort to personal attacks when you lose grounds in your argument.
Well thanks and good luck my honest friend.

Kobojunkie:
NAME one of the things that americans will not say about America, just in their own interest. Please IMPRESS ME with information here.!!

There is a street called "Town street." in LA. There is a part of this street near down town LA where majority live in the street under conditions far worst than you will ever see in Nigeria. A street filled with the sick, drug addicts, transsexuals, and prostitutes. I have never seen that street in TV. when they America on CNN, the always show the good parts.

iseobio:
it is a shame. I also receive such emails. i am of the opinion that the victims of these Nigerian scammers are also potential scammers if the situation arose. How can one want to gain from where he/she did not toil? Theyare all greedy that is why they fall for their scams.

In America, everyday we are bombarded with junk mails and phone calls from tele-marketers, most of which are scams.
Sometimes the computer(an automated system) will call and say things like: "Do you know that the your vehicle's insurance is about to run out? Do you know how close you are to a heart attack?" These are all lies, just a way to get your attention. Sometimes auto dealers will send you a fake gift certificate so that you can go to their shop and get triked into buying a car. If you live in America you must have experienced this over and over. Are these not scams or 419?
What about identity theft? What about illegal immigration from Mexico and south America. I guess it's okay as long as you're not a Nigerian.
Since they are Americans, everybody usually hangs the call and forget it. But if they are from Nigeria, then we label all Nigerians as scamers.
When it comes to 419, Nigeria is no where close to America!

I don't condon 419.  It is wrong and very bad.
But Nigeria definitely does not deserve the bad publicity it gets. The problems is that so many Nigerians have no national pride and will blame everything on Nigeria. A co worker once said something bad about Nigeria in my presence and I got very upset and told him to go to hell. Later he came and apologised and told me that I am the only Nigerian that defends Nigeria. He told me that he used to work with many Nigerians that have nothing good to say about Nigeria.

@Kobojunkie
I have a question for you:
1) Tell me in any field of crime where a Nigerian is among the first 10 most wanted. ( Research CIA records)
2) have you ever heard of drug dealers like Pablo Escobar and many others from south America? How many of such killers has Nigeria produced? Why don't Colombians receive a bad reputation like Nigeria?
3) How many alpercinos has Nigeria produced? How many mafia organisations has Nigeria produced?
4) Have you heard of the way some American troops treated Iraqis? Is that America's fault? if not then why blame Nigeria for the bad behaviour of some her citizens in another country.  Why don't America receive as much a bad reputation as Nigeria?

Africa should be grateful to Nigeria for sending their troops in troubled contries, but rather than that they talk of illegal immigration.
The Truth is that Nigerian is a black nation with the potential of being better than the western countries one day. hence, all these hatred for Nigeria and her citizens.
The major obstacle that Nigeria has is the citizens who have been brainwashed to considering everything Nigeria as inferior, evil and bad. this is a result of colonization. Some Nigerians think that the way to be civilized is to talk bad about Nigeria and worship white countries.

Nigeria is not yet 100 years yet. Research into American history and you will find out that when they were as young as Nigeria, they were no way close to what Nigeria is today. I have lived in America for nine years and I have seen that most of the things they say about America when I was in Nigeria are lies.
Watch CNN when they show America, they will show the best parts. But when they show Africa, they will show the worst parts.
Nigeria is a great country, and Nigerians are not bad people.

tpia:
why do people tell such boldfaced lies.


someone can read this now and go and start beating up their American wife/girlfriend thinking since she's not Nigerian, there wont be any repercussion.

@ seeklove- you see nothing wrong in this your barbaric friend who is beating up women all over the place, but would rather focus on which of the girlfriends is likely to call the police on his sorry behind?

and who told you an American woman will not deal with a batterer?

please answer oh.

@tpia
I sorry, if you don't see the irony and humour in my post.
Any body who reads it and goes beating American women is a complete fool, and will get his behind thrown in jail. I never said that you should do such baberric thing.
Let me explain to you.
The irony is that my friend maltreated a good American girl and payed the price in another relationship. You reap what you sow. The truth is that some American woman go through a lot of abuse in the name of love. And some of them (especially blacks) don't like to get the police involved because of the stereotypical relationship between the police and blacks.

But most Nigerian women wont tolerate any nonsense from anybody as soon as they get to America. Perhaps it is because of the way some people treat women in Nigeria. So many Nigerian women have been abused in Nigeria, and in Nigeria there is almost nothing they can do about it. So when they get to America, where they can do something about abuse, they get to sensitive about it. You have to be careful dealing with some of them.

Please understand me before you crucify me. I don't support abuse.