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It is comfirmed. According to my sources, MJ is dead.
This is a great loss. The world has lost one of the greatest musicians ever lived. He lived for others! I pray that the almighty will forgive him his sins.

nuzo:
The story seems very incomplete to me and most foreigners in china (both white and black).

However, stories has it that he was a known drug dealer who had a fight with club bouncers after he was warned several times to leave the club or stop selling his wares.

Nigerians in china have gained notoriety for drug peddling and thereby being denied visa renewal.

Whichever way, those who committed this crime should be brought to book.

@nuzo
Intelligent input.

Ellyptical:
@Kobo,
My Dear, I have on several occasions explained to you that you seem to have an identity crises but your recent behaviour shows that your case may have deepened. While you are known to always try to move against the direction of general opinion, your recent statement on this thread shows how myopic you can be all because you want to say something opposing what every one is saying.
Do not get me wrong. I admire the boldness is takes to speak against the general view but i detest empty and irrational boldness.
Does the poster in anyway support the killings carried out by the Nigerian police? Does the fact that the police commits such offences justify this case in china? Can you prove that nigerians do not cry for justice when a policeman commits a killing? Did you watch the video of the mob action (that resulted in death) carried out on a police man that killed an innocent civilian near churchgate (if i can still recall) in lagos?
You need to rediscover yourself. You are not yourself. The "you" in you is defined by what the environment is saying., meaning that while you think you stand hard and firm, you are tossed around by the slightest wave - though tossed in the opposite direction.
I can bet that if i open a new thread "Call For Justice : Pilice Kills Innocent Citizen" you will jump out and ask
"Why do we not call for action when a citizen is killed in China.
Once again Tracy,
Rediscover yourlself.
You need a psychologist!
Obtigado.

@Ellyptical
My brother I completely agree with you in the above. Some people's agenda is to oppose everything Nigerian. If a Nigerian is killed in China they justify it with injustice in Nigeria. Is there any country where there is no injustice? So people should be killed unjustly in foreign countries just because there is injustice in their country of origin.
You are very right, an individual with such sentiments of hatred towards his own country is definitely suffering from Identity crises. It is also a sign of extreme inferiority complex. The guy may get offended but the truth is that he definitely needs a psychologist. He may be a danger to himself and Nigerians around. Even if not physically,  his sentiments are very dangerous.

Kobojunkie:
Before I go off on the chinese without thinking, how come there are no calls for justice for the many more Nigerians brutally killed by our own police men and government officials each year?

This is really serious. This is the height of being uncivilized. Justifying injustice due to another injustice. The fact that Nigerian police is unjust does not excuse Chinese security men to act unjustly. Injustice is wrong no matter who does it, and there is no excuse or justification for it. This is civility.

Judging from some the posts I see in this forum, I wonder some posters educational background.

4 Play:
With a name like Seeklove, no doubt, a pun on Strangelove, how are we sure you are not a spy?

I could very well be. Being an agent for CIA is not a crime; it is a job of honnor, and a job of patriotism.

bawomolo:
Why is it so hard to believe this is for research?

or does everything oyinbo get you guys hyper?

naija man working in mcdonalds is espionage o.

I do not doubt that the guy is on research. But what I am saying is that it very possible for CIA to have an agent who is a street hawker. But like somebody said, they will not use a white man for such a job in Nigeria where one can easily spot him. There are so many Nigerian Americans who can blend in the Nigerian street without anybody suspecting. I believe CIA would rather use a Nigerian American agent or at least a black agent for such a mission.

@kobojunkie
Please educate yourself about the CIA. There is a bill in America called the freedom of information bill. Since it was passed, people can get more information about the CIA and there hitherto secret operations. You'd be surprised what and who the CIA will use an as undercover. It is possible that the guy is a secret agent.

bawomolo:
you are right, cocoyam was the one who misyarned.

I dont think that he misyaerned. He was just making a general statement. If the law allows the child the freedom to choose his fathers race then the law is that the child is the race of the father.

But it dosent mean that the child cannot chose the mothers race. The law alows both choices.

If i say that all igbos are Nigerians, it doesnt mean that i am saying that all Nigerians are igbos. If I say that the nigerian law protects the igbos, it dosent mean that the nigerian law does not protect the housas and the yorubas too.

Saying that by the law the child is his fathers race, doesnt mean that the law forbids him from being his mothers race. It only means that which ever parents the child choses to identify with, the law recognises and protects it.

Anyway this is the way I see his statement, but if thats not what he meant, then he is wrong

bawomolo:
seeklove, what part of the constitution says you are race of your father?

@bawomolo
what part of the constitution says you are black by one drop rule.


I repeat in America the law recognises that the individual can identify with the race of any of his parents.

Aloy.Emeka:
And if his/her father is unknown like many of them nko?. You are yet to hear of the one drop rule. A biracial child with a black mother and white father is black and not white.

Wrong. What you wrote above is not neceserely true. One drop rule is not formal, it is a racial clasification bassed on racisim. There is no law enforcing one drop rule. A biracial child of a black mother and a white father can choose to be either white, black or biracial. Either way the law is at the child's side. If he choses to identify himself as white, there is no law disqualifing him. By law a child has the right to chose the race of any of its parents and he is entitlled to their racaial benefits.
One drop rule is an informal and a racisit opinion. it is propagated by racist groups like the KKK. The law does not protect that rule.

St☆rStruck:
In the United States?

That's not true. You are whatever race you choose to identify with.

Year right! You can identify with whatever you want but if there is a quoter for whites, no black person of black parents can enter that quoter. You will be disqualified.

cocoman4u:
Yes but only to a limited extent. If there is a scholarship available only for African Americans, a white child of white parents cannot get it because he is not African American. But a white child of adopted African American perents have the right to apply for the scolarship and he is qualified to recieve it because he is african american by the virture of his perents.

Tell me what I know I have seen this happan many times.

This is true. The company that I work for once gave a scholaership for poor african american kids. A latino looking kid won it. I was suprised only to find out that he was adopted from childhood by black parents.

There has been many law suits concerning this issue in America. Everybody knows it. You are entitled to the benefits of your father's race, even if you were adopted. Acordingto the law, father is father. There is no diference between a biological child and an adopted child before the law. The law will not relinquishe any of your responsiblities towards the child just because he is adopted, by the same token the law will not deny the child any benefits entitled to his fathers childeren just because the child is adopted.

tpiah:
use the search function- this topic isnt new to NL.

Albinism is a mutation, just like Down Syndrome. Linking physical characteristics of this condition (I mean albinism) and using them as evidence of extra racial transcegenation, is the central theme of the Osiris or Isis modern day cult. I forget what they call themselves- its a majorly black movement trying to prove whites are descendants of African albinos.

Of course you're free to believe anything you want.

But stop thinking you're reinventing the wheel.

And if you dont know the difference between a white Caucasian and a black albino with white skin, then I cant help you.

@tpiah
you are wrong. Scientists have discovered that all mankind decended from a group of Africans who where dark in complexction. This is scientific discoervry and not superstion. Skin color is as a result of adaptation and mutation. There is no biological difference between a white man and a black man. There is nothing like genegtically white. All people on earth shear a cartain amount genetic material.

google these thing and you will find.

Jarus:
If anything, there is no other religion that frowns against racism more than Islam. So grave is racism that the prophet(PBUH) specifically mentioned it in his all-important last sermon, which could be described as summary of his message. That is how grave racism is. Let me reproduce the sermon here:


The prophet, not necessarily the Arabs, is our model in Islam. And whatever he said or did definitely supercedes whatever any other other human, Arab or non Arab, says or does. So any Arab that thinks he's more superior to black Muslims is definitely ignorant, and I'm sure knowledgeable Muslim Arabs will not say that.

Looking at your argument more critically it appears you reached your conclusion based on the the way Nation of Islam adherents are seen by orthodox Muslims. Ironically, that should even be a point for the fact that Islam is not a racist religion. The nation of Islam is essentially racist, more of defending black interest, hiding under Islam. May Allah guide them aright, this is wrong. But the good thing is that is that most of tehm eventually finf the truth and join orthodox Islam, like Malcom X.

Thanks for your reply and the quote that you provided which is very informative. Like I said, I dont know wheather it is in the koran or not, I just bassed my argument on the conduct of a few Moslem's that I work with.

I was surprised at your post especially the highlighted parts, it is definitely very true, touching, and non-racist. But what I don't understand is how come some people read that in their holy book and still don't refrain from racism.

I guess we have such in all religions. Some Christians defend their atrocity with the bible eventhough the bible condem such atrocities.

This has taught me a lesson never to judge a book by its cover.


I was surprised that such words of love is from the Koran. Based on the quotations that some people have provided even in this forum, I thought the Koran was full of hatred. I know somebody once said that the prophet Mohamed once gave up his black salves for one non black one. Is this true?

Did prophet condone slavery?

After reading what he said in the verse that you provided I find it hard to believe that such a wise man can be a racist.

I also must commend your civility, rather than getting upset and insulting, you replied with facts. I wish some of your fellow Moslem's will learn from you. They are rather very quick to anger when somebody says something against Islam based on his or her personal experience.

Here you guys go lying again. There is definitely hairachy in Islam. Moslems generly think that arabic poeple and arabic moslems are superior. I work with a bunch of Arabic moslems who are racists and dont believe that blacks can be true moslems.

I dont know if this is in the Koran or not but Arabic moslems always look down on black moslems. I have see this happen so many times. History tells it clearly enough. Please find out why malcolm x was delayed from entering mecca on his first vissit to mecca.

I know an Arabic moslem who think that blacks moslems, esspecially nation of islam is an abomination before allah.

If you think that all moslems are equall, go to saudi arebia and see how they treat blacks.

How does this theory of "one must reap what he has sown" compromise with the theory of an all forgiving God. If man must reap what he has sown, then how is God all forgiving. Isn't God all loving and all forgiven?
I thought that when a man repents, all things he did in the past are forgiven and he becomes a new creature. Doesn't this annul the law of reciprocal action?
If man must reap what he has sown in the past, how come Jesus forgave some people's sin. Did Jesus annul the law of reciprocal action?

@justcool
Really an intresten post. There is nothing flawed in your resoning. Makes one question so many things.

I bet huxely will stay away from this one.

@ayinba1
I will not condescend to arguing with you any more. You can say whatever you want to say, but I wish to let you know that no matter how many times you deny it, you are a complete fool and a layer. You, your Allah(false god) and your prophets are noting. You keep making threats on their name because that all you know.

Believe you cannot kill me. My God never denies me, I don't make threats on His name but He never fails to fight for me. Even Murkina who deleted cocomans thread was made to paste it on the therad, is this not a miracle?

Let me see the workings of false idol -- noting. If your god is real why don't he fight for himself. why don't he stop me from desecrating the koran. why do you have to fight for him? because he is nothing.

Since you think that I am afraid, let me repaet, [size=16pt]You, your allah(false god) and your prophets are noting.[/size]

I don't want to stick my hand into your throat, I rather stick into the toilet. Your throat is full shit.

[size=16pt]You, your allah(false god) and your prophets are noting.[/size]

@mukina2 and the rest.

All of you terribly dispoint me. You do worst to Islam than its enemies. A wise muslim will first of all caution the one who makes death threats in the name of Islam. Death threats should be very sensitive to muslims because people have committed a lot of atrocities in the name of Islam.

Here you are protecting that fool called ayinba1 who makes threat on me. What I do with the Koran is my business because it is my property. I have 5 muslim co-workers and we argue about about religion all the time, eventhough they are arabic they never made threats of death. I tell them worst things about the Koran, yet they take it with humour. Actually the koran that I have was given to me by one of them. Of course I don't do anything bad to the book but what I say to that fool called ayniba 1 is in retaliation for her insulting the igbos and making personal attacks against me. The was the person who started it.

For those who think that an internet threat is not serious because we don't know each other. Let me say that it is very serious, she may not know me but her post may inspire some fools somewhere else to commite atrocities in the name of Islam. Remember muslims that killed Igbos in the north just because of cartoon made in Europe. You don't know who is reading this, I know I let my muslim co-worker read things in this forum.

Let me just say that all that I explained here is for the sake of peace, not that I am afraid of any body. Anybody who makes death threats is a fool irrespective of his religion. I wont be afraid to say that mukina 2 is terribly partial. The insult started with aynba 1, and so does the death treat, but why is she not being warned. Life is a serious thing, whoever threathens another persons life must be warned. I don't understand why you deleted the thread that cocoman created to address the issue. You should be ashamed of yourself.

@cocoman
Lets not get carried away. Don't let the stupidity of another person make you a hater. All muslims are not fools like the fools we have here.

@Pataki, and JJYOU
You are both reasonable, intelligent and civil.

Igbos hate unnecessary shedding of blood. They respect and value human life. Even the ancients Igbos, before Christianity came, they respected human life and love peace. Christianity easily won over the Igbos because it is peaceful and respects human life, even the life of an enemy.

Those that think that Igbos have not been exposed to Islam are wrong. Igbos have long been exposed to it, even today Igbos all over the world are exposed to Islam. Sometimes muslims will even try to win converts by promising them riches. I know how many times they have tried to convert me, my friends, and etc. I know Igbos in the muslim countries, still they will never consider joining. A friend of mine happily lost a contract that would have been his, if only he accepted Islam. The few Igbos that pretend to be muslims only do it to get positions and contracts.

@Ifygurl
I am sorry but your teacher may be very correct. The fact that you and I are Igbo does not mean that we know where we originated. I have heard your teachers theory before and it is not just speculations but a theory born out of exhaustive investigation.
The fact that it was written by a white man should not be a problem. Lets face the Truth, we are not into investigating the origin of peoples as much white people. The white people are more intrested in archielogy and genealogy than we black people.
Also it is a very weak argument on your part to suggest that Igbos do not have Israeli blood in them because they have never been to Israel. It is a well known and documented fact that the Jews were in Egypt during the Egyptian empire. It is possible that some of them travelled as far down as to the rigion of Africa called Nigeria. Egyptians enslaved people from all over the world, it is possible that they even enslaved some Nigerian tribes. Even the roman empire which was in Europe, travelled as far south as to Nigeria. This is documented, they mistakenly called the Niger and extension of the Nile. Don't be supprised that a European tribe(White) may have Igbo, Hausa, or Yoruba blood in them. Recent DNA testing has shown that all tribes of the world(America, Europe, Australia, and etc) is related to an African tribe. This is why scientists say that all humans are biologically Africans.

She is also very correct in terms of mixture from black tribes. Actually there is no significant difference in the features of Igbo, Hausa, and Yoruba. We only perceive differences due to cultural orientation. You can tell a Yoruba, by the way he talks, acts, and etc. But culture apart, there is no significant difference. If you raise an Hausa child in the Igbo environment, he will grow up to be Igbo. I know a guy who is very Igbo, People used to call him "igbotic", he loved everything Igbo and he is an epitome of Igbo. But the secret that nobody knows is that this boy's biological father was Hausa. Not even this boy who detests Hausas know. I was told by my grandmother who was very close to the boys mother.

I think you should apologize to your teacher. Take that book and read it. You will learn a lot from it. When you understand DNA and genealogy, you will see how stupid(I don't mean you) it is to be racist or tribalistic,because everybody on earth is related some how. We are all Africans.

Emad:
there goes another of my typical 9ja bros , who thinks sucess is only measure in terms of how well a person get married
so according to him Van is more sucessful than Genny because he is married happily and she is not

Yours is an uncivilised mentality. Definitely, "how well a person is married" adds to the measure of success. In civilized countries marriages are respected more than in Nigeria. Believe it or not marriage is part of success. If you don't think so tell me why you cannot hold an important position (Presidency) in USA and other civilized countries if you are not married.

Success is not just having money and cars. This is a primitive definition of success. A successful person has to be well rounded-- he has to be honest, humble, truthfully, a good father or mother, a good husband or wife.

A woman who cannot maintain a happy marriage with any man due to her pride is a complete failure, no matter how much money she has.

Get civilized!

babs787:
@Seeklove

Can you show me anywhere that all those you mentioned above are christians?

I never said that they were Christians. They were simply servants of God. God has no religion. Both Christianity and Islam are man made religions. God does not require that his servants must belong to any religion.
It is also a lie when the Christian churches claim that their religion was founded by Jesus. Jesus did not found any religion.
One can arguably say that Moses founded Judaism. This is not exactly true because the Judaism that moses founded was a way of life and not exactly the way Judaism is practiced today. But Islam and Christianity were definitely not practiced by Moses who live centuries before both religion was founded.

babs787:
Jesus is a Muslim as well as those before him?

Thank but you should know that delay is very dangerous.

This is blasphemy of the highest order! The Lord Jesus Christ, the son of the only true God is not a muslim. He was never a muslim and will never become a muslim.
The same goes with all the prophets before Him, who muslims falsely claim to have been muslims. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel and etc were not muslims.
Islam is nothing but an arabic invention .

Stop spreading lies!

@olabowale and babs787

All these your long posts are to prove that it is okay to kill senselessly like muslims do.?
Why don't you guys open your eyes and question the morality of that religion. Listen to your heart!! what does it tell you?

Islam is terribly lacking in morality. It is nothing but false scams and lies cooked up by some barbaric arabian people. It is noting but a political way of enslaving the minds of people and promoting barbaric arabian culture.

Why do you have to pray to your allah in arabic? Because he is an arabic god, and not the universal God.
How come your allah posses nothing but qualities of arabic people i.e. wickedness, lust, lust for murder, and deception? Because he is an arabic god, and not the universal God.

I work with a bunch of arabic people, and they all posses these qualities that I mentioned above. When you catch them lying, they will tell you that the Koran says that it is okay to lie for the sake of peace.

They are also racists, they don't like black people at all, as much as they hate jews too,

From my experiences with arabic people(the inventors of islam), I will advice anybody to beware of islam and muslims.

@Frizy

I have an advise for you. Please if those thing that you wrote on this thread actually make sense to you, then I beg you to check yourself into a mental institution. I have never read anything so dumb!!!!!

You advice muslims not to vote at all, do you know the implication of this? Please tell me, how many brain cells do you have? You don't want them to vote which is the only civil way of making their voice heard. Is it because voting is peaceful and does not involve suicide bombings and sensless killings of innocent people? Are these suicide bombings and sensless killings of innocent people the only thing that muslims should do?

No matter how much you try to hide your racism, your post reveals it. Your problem with Obama is because he is black(African American). You have the guts to say that he is not! Please what is he? Stinking Arabic killer? I have noticed that islam is a very racist religion, no matter how much they try to hide it. Any black person who is a muslim is a complete fool who lacks the knowledge of the history of that rubbish called islam.

I don't know if there is something in islam that makes its followers dumb and stupid. I have seen otherwise pretty smart people, but whenever the discusion is about islam or politics they become totally stupid. Driven by lust for murder, anger, hatrad, they open their mouths and talk rubbish.

The major problem with the world today is islam. We wait for the day America or any other country will eradicate islam from the face of the earth. I know the time is coming.

my best posters is in the religion forum are
seeklove
justcool
justcool
justcool
m_nwankwo.
Pastor AIO

@m_nwankwo
How could you forget me!! You used to be my hero!

manmustwac:
When the missionairies arrived if they had carried the Quran instead of the Bible then Nigeria would've been a muslim country.

That would have been the worst thing that ever happened to Nigeria. Christianity or the missionaries leaves a little for the people, Islam destroys everything and replaces it with Arabic culture of violence. The only good thing about Nigeria is that Nigeria is not a Muslim country, other we would have been like Sudan now.