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Conclusion

Generosity and grace giving are built on the qualities we have already studied. If you’re free from bondage to greed and debt, you won’t be enslaved to money. If you’re a person of integrity and if you’re faithful as a manager, not the owner, of your money, then when God supplies you with more, you will prayerfully channel anything above personal and family needs into His kingdom.
In this church, we don’t use pressure or gimmicks to get people to give. I want your giving to be between you and God, based on your response to the love He has shown you at the cross. Also, I want to encourage each of you to refuse to give to any organization that uses pressure and fund-raising gimmicks. If you believe in the work of this church, then give generously as God has prospered you, out of love for Him.
Don’t assume that because we don’t use pressure we don’t have needs. I believe it is legitimate to inform the church family about needs so they can give wisely. We have needs: to meet our monthly budget; to get some better office equipment; to pay off the mortgage on the house next door so that we can use it and the house across the street for ministry; to buy more property for adequate parking; to pave the lot behind the church. We have to turn away missionaries who need support. I believe the way to meet these needs is to help God’s people get their hearts right before Him and to teach what His Word says about money and giving. As we respond to God’s grace by giving generously, the needs will be met.
A farmer who was not much concerned with spiritual matters once went to hear John Wesley preach. Wesley was preaching about money and he soon had the farmer’s attention, because his first point was, “Get all you can.” The farmer nudged his neighbor and said, “This is unusual preaching! I’ve never heard the likes of this before. This is good!” Wesley talked about hard work and purposeful living.
His second main point was, “Save all you can.” The farmer became more excited. “Did you ever hear anything like this?” he exclaimed. Wesley denounced waste and extravagance. The farmer was quite happy, thinking, “I do all this.”
But then Wesley advanced to his third point, which was, “Give all you can.” “Oh, dear! Oh, dear!” moaned the farmer. “He has gone and spoiled his sermon.”
I hope you don’t think that I have spoiled this series on money by saying, “Give all you can.” God has given all for us; He wants us to be cheerful, generous givers who respond to His grace.

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Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches giving is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.

The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).


Thank you.

.......Continued

F. TITHING LEADS TO A FALSE CONCEPT OF STEWARDSHIP.

It leads to the notion that 10 percent is God’s money and 90 percent is my money. In reality, 100 percent is God’s money, and He may want me to channel 90 percent into His work and live on 10 percent. Tithing can be a bad rut.


G. TITHING IS BURDENSOME FOR SOME AND TOO EASY FOR OTHERS.

If a man with a family of five makes $20,000 a year and tithes, he has $18,000 (apart from taxes) to support five people. If a childless couple makes $100,000 a year and tithes, they have $90,000 (apart from taxes) to support two people. That would be burdensome to the man with five mouths to feed, but ridiculously easy for the couple.
There are seven reasons that argue against tithing. Then what is God’s standard for giving?


2. Generous grace giving is the New Testament standard.


When you say “grace,” a lot of people, unfortunately, connect it with hang-loose, undisciplined living. But that is not grace! Nor is grace the balance point between legalism and licentiousness. Rather grace (as a system) is totally opposed both to legalism and licentiousness, which are two sides of the same coin.
Legalism and licentiousness both operate on the principle of the flesh. Legalism is an attempt to earn standing with God through human effort and leads to pride or condemnation, depending on how well you do. Licentiousness casts off restraint and lives to gratify the flesh.
But God’s grace is His unmerited favor based on Christ’s sacrifice. The motivating power in grace is the indwelling Spirit of God. The person under grace responds out of love and gratitude to God and depends upon the indwelling Holy Spirit to conform his life to what God requires. With that basic understanding of grace, let me spell out some things that grace giving is not, and then some things that grace giving is.



A. GRACE GIVING IS NOT ...

(1) Random and irresponsible. It does not mean that you give every now and then, hit and miss; rather (as we shall see next week), it is planned and systematic (1 Cor. 16:2; 2 Cor. 9:7).
(2) Based on feelings. Being under grace does not mean living by feelings. Living under grace means walking by faith and obedience in response to God’s love. There are many commands under grace.
(3) Usually less than the requirement of the law. God’s grace should motivate us to excel far more than the minimum under the law (1 Cor. 15:10).
(4) Giving God the leftovers. God deserves the best, not just what is convenient. If we love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, then we won’t just give Him what’s left over after the bills are paid. He deserves first place.
Thus grace giving is not sloppy, irresponsible, haphazard giving whenever we feel like it.




B. GRACE GIVING IS BASED ON ...


(1) God’s example in Christ (2 Cor. 8:9). Aren’t you glad that God did not just give a tenth! He gave all. The Lord Jesus Christ was infinitely rich. He dwelled in the unimaginable splendor of heaven, apart from the sin and corruption of this world. But He gave that up, laid aside His privileges, and took on human flesh. He could have chosen to be born as a prince in palatial splendor. But instead He was born and lived in poverty. He ultimately impoverished Himself to the maximum by taking upon Himself the sin of the human race in order that we might become rich (2 Cor. 5:21).
Grace giving looks to the nail-pierced hands of the Lord Jesus, who gave Himself so that we might be rescued from the wrath of God, and says, “Lord, You gave all for me! What can I give back to You?”


(2) The concept of stewardship. “You are not your own, for you have been bought with a price ...” (1 Cor. 6:19-20). All that we are and have belongs to God, not just a tenth. I am merely the manager of His resources. As a good manager, I use the Owner’s resources to further His work (see Acts 2:44-45; 4:32-37; 11:27-30 for some examples).


(3) Inner motivation, not outward compulsion (2 Cor. 8:3-5; 9:7). Motive and attitude are crucial. It is better to give a small amount based on a loving response to God’s grace than it is to give a large amount based on outward pressure or pride. Note the attitude of the Macedonian believers: they had an abundance of joy (2 Cor. 8:2); they gave of their own accord (8:3); they begged with much entreaty for the favor (8:4!); first they gave themselves to the Lord (8:5); they had both the readiness and desire (8:10-12, 9:2); they gave cheerfully, not grudgingly or under compulsion (9:7).
We should not think, “How much do I have to give?” but rather, “How much can I give?” We should not wait for someone to pressure us with a need; we should look for needs that we can meet (8:4). I look for and give to Christian organizations or workers that do not pressure donors with desperate appeals for funds. You almost don’t notice these workers because there are so many pleading for your money so that they “won’t go off the air next week.” May I say, “Let them go off the air!” Christians ought to give based upon inner motivation, not outward pressure. Grace giving is based on ...


(4) A new relationship with the Holy Spirit, not the old dispensation of the Law. Romans 8:14says, “For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God.” Galatians 5:18says, “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.” The context of both passages shows that Paul is talking about the Holy Spirit leading the believer into righteous, godly living. In Galatians, such righteous living is spelled out in the context, in part, as sharing financial resources (6:6, 10).
It’s easier in some ways to follow a set of rules. Just give your 10 percent and that takes care of the matter. But God wants us to be led by the Holy Spirit. That’s kind of scary! The Holy Spirit might want me to give 35 percent or who knows how much! But the point is, I am not living by rules, but in a relationship with the living God.


(5) How much God has prospered you. How much should you give? How much has God prospered you? (Note 1 Cor. 16:2, “as he may prosper”; Acts 11:29, “in the proportion that [they] had means”; 2 Cor. 8:3, 11, 12). Generally, they gave according to their ability, and in some cases beyond their ability. Sometimes you should give sacrificially. (We will look at that next week.) But the general principle is, give as God has prospered you.
When God entrusts you with more money, instead of spending it on more junk that you have to protect from moths, rust, and thieves, you should ask, “Lord, how do you want this money used in Your kingdom?” As God gives you more, you should increase the percentage you give, not just the amount. If you have enough to live comfortably, then invest the rest where God pays guaranteed, eternal dividends.
But here’s the catch: we need to start giving where we’re at, and not put it off until someday when we’re rich. The Macedonians gave in the midst of a great ordeal of affliction, out of deep poverty (2 Cor. 8:2). Jesus commended the poor widow who gave all she had to live on, but He was not impressed with the large gifts of the rich, because they had much left over (Mark 12:41-44).
George Muller is remembered as a man who received millions of dollars to support his orphanage, in response to secret prayer, without making any needs known to others. What many don’t know is that Muller gave away vast amounts to the Lord’s work out of funds that were given for his personal support. From 1870 on, he personally contributed the full support for about 20 missionaries with the China Inland Mission. From 1831-1885, he gave away 86 percent of his personal income! As the Lord prospered him, he could have lived in style. But he lived simply and gave away the rest.

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Last week in my church we talked about "The christian and Money"

Lo and behold I read about tithing in the bible and I decided to share.

Please join me

“It would be political suicide to give that speech,” said an aide to his boss. “He’s right, Senator,” chimed in another aide. “It’s just one clear-cut statement after another” (Morrie Brickman, Reader’s Digest [4/83]).
It’s probably suicidal for a pastor to preach on why you should not tithe! It’s risky at best, because some may hear the part about not tithing and block out the rest of the message! I would guess that if everyone who came regularly to this church gave ten percent to the church, our income would probably triple, at least! So why am I not preaching instead on why you should tithe?
The answer is that tithing is not the New Testament standard for giving. Perhaps more than any other factor, giving reflects the condition of our hearts: “Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” (Matt. 6:21). You can fake some things, but you can’t fake giving your money! You may get mad at me, but I’m going to give it to you straight: If you give ten percent or less of your income to the Lord’s work, in most cases it reflects a lukewarm heart toward God. I used to give ten percent and thought I was doing fine. Then I made the mistake of preaching on giving! I discovered that God’s Word teaches that ...
We should not tithe because God wants us to give generously, and tithing is the bare minimum.
Our God is a generous, giving God who so loved the world that He gave that most precious gift, His only begotten Son. “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich” (2 Cor. 8:9). As God’s people who are to be like Jesus, we are to be generous givers.
The Bible teaches that God, who richly has supplied us with all good things, wants us “to be generous and ready to share” (1 Tim. 6:18). But what does generosity mean? Isn’t giving 10 percent of my income to the Lord’s work being generous? If not 10 percent, how much should I give?



1. Tithing is not the New Testament standard for giving.

Many churches promote a concept called “storehouse” tithing, based on Malachi 3:10, where God tells Israel to “bring the whole tithe into the storehouse.” They teach that the local church is the storehouse, the tithe belongs to God, and His blessing is conditioned upon faithfulness in tithing. One pastor in a church near me in California preached that if his people weren’t giving ten percent to that church, they were in sin and needed to go home and repent!
Before I critique this view, let me point out that there are some commendable points regarding tithing: (1) Those who tithe are often acting in obedience to what they believe God has commanded. (2) Tithing gets some to increase what they give. (3) Tithing helps consistency and discipline in giving. But consider these seven reasons why tithing is not God’s standard for Christians:


A. TITHING WAS A PART OF THE LAW OF MOSES; BELIEVERS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

Romans, Galatians, and other New Testament passages make it clear that Christians are not under the law of Moses. That does not mean that we are lawless, because we are under the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:20-21; James 1:25; 2:8, 12; Rom. 13:8-10). Those aspects of the Mosaic law that reflect the moral character of God are valid under the New Covenant and are repeated as commands in the New Testament. But the church is never commanded to tithe.
Those who argue for tithing point out that Abraham and Jacob both tithed prior to the Mosaic law (Gen. 14:20; 28:22). Thus tithing supersedes the law, they argue. If the New Testament gave no further guidelines, that might be a valid point. But it does, as I will show. But there are other practices, such as circumcision and sabbath-keeping which pre-date the Law and yet are not binding on us.
If you examine the references to Abraham’s and Jacob’s tithing, you will see that God did not command them to tithe and there is no indication that this was their regular practice. On one occasion after a victory in battle, Abraham tithed the spoils from that battle, but nothing is said regarding his other possessions or his regular income (Gen. 14:20). To follow Jacob’s example would be wrong, because he was making a conditional vow before God, promising that if God would keep him safe and provide for him, then he would give God a tenth (Gen. 28:20-22). That’s hardly a good example to follow in giving! Tithing was required under the Mosaic Law, but believers are not under the Law.


B. TITHING WAS AN INVOLUNTARY TAX TO SUPPORT ISRAEL; BELIEVERS ARE NOT A PART OF THE THEOCRATIC NATION.

In the Old Testament, there was both required and voluntary giving. The tithe was required. It was commanded for every Israelite to fund national worship and help the poor. In actuality, there was not just one tithe, but rather two or three ([1] Lev. 27:30-33, Num. 18:20-21; [2] Deut. 12:17-18; [3] Deut. 14:28-29), so that the total was not 10 percent, but more like 22 percent (see Charles Ryrie, Balancing the Christian Life [Moody Press], p. 86). Thus if we are required to bring the whole tithe into the storehouse today, we had better up the percentage from 10 to 22 percent!


C. TITHING IS NOT MENTIONED IN ANY INSTRUCTIONS TO THE CHURCH, ALTHOUGH MUCH IS SAID ABOUT GIVING.

G. F. Hawthorne writes (New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology [Zondervan], 3:854:
Since the tithe played such an important part in the OT and in Judaism contemporary with early Christianity, it is surprising to discover that never once is tithing mentioned in any instructions given to the church. Jesus mentions scribes and Pharisees who tithe ..., but he never commanded his disciples to tithe. The writer to the Hebrews refers to Abraham paying tithes to Melchizedek and Levi paying his tithe to Melchizedek through Abraham ..., but he never taught his readers to follow their example. Paul writes about sharing material possessions to care for the needs of the poor ... and to sustain the Christian ministry .... He urges and commends generosity ... but never once does he demand, as a command from God, that any specific amount be given.
If tithing is to be practiced by the Christian church, it seems strange that Paul did not mention it when he wrote of giving, especially to the predominately Gentile churches which would not be familiar with the Old Testament.


D. TITHING IS NOT MENTIONED IN ANY WRITINGS OF THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS.

By itself this is not decisive, but it lends weight to the biblical arguments. If the early church practiced tithing, then the concept should surface somewhere in the writings of the church fathers of the second and third centuries. But it does not, even though giving was an important part of early Christian worship (see Hawthorne, pp. 854-855).


E. TITHING PUTS THE WRONG EMPHASIS UPON GIVING.

Tithing emphasizes your obligation to God; New Testament giving, as we shall see, emphasizes your willing, loving response to God’s grace. Furthermore, tithing limits giving by making a person feel that he has paid his dues (so to speak) and thus nothing more is required, when, in fact, much more could be done. Tithing has a tendency to put a person on a legal basis with God, rather than a love relationship. It’s the wrong emphasis.

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To be Continued....

Nice one mehn

So I was wondering, and many thoughts crossed my mind. I really want to know if its possible to know if a woman just had sex.

I went to the normal site where I usually get "updates" like that but couldn`t get much..

Here`s what I got.

Did you know that just by walking down the street, or across the office, people may be able to figure out that you've gotten laid? Because having a vaginal orgasm does more than just put a little pep in your step. It actually causes you to walk differently, with a longer stride and a greater pelvic rotation. In a European study, trained sexologists (nice job title) were able to pick out, with an 81 percent accuracy, which women had an orgasm just by watching them walk.
But that's not the only way someone can tell if a woman has had sex. Here are a few others:



The Glow: There’s a scientific reason for us getting the flushed in the cheeks look after sex -- more blood flow -- but what about that aura of calm that seems to float around us after the fact? It happens. Recently, my husband and I went on a post-coital grocery store trip and ran in to some friends. The wife remarked to me, “You’re glowing,” with a little wink and a nod.

The Cat Who Ate The Canary Grin: This is also known as the Smirking Smile and if you see a woman looking sideways with this look on her face, you’ll know, yep, she just got laid. She has a secret that's making her go through her day with a sense of fulfillment. Because, seriously, nobody is that happy unless they just had sex with a happy ending.

The Wet Spot: I know this is gross but getting seminal moisture leaking through to your pants can be an unfortunate byproduct of having sex, at least if you don’t use a condom or your partner doesn’t pull out. And it's not one of the good ways you would want someone to be able to tell that you recently had sex. Wearing a pad post-intercourse can help prevent this -- just sayin'.

The Unflappably Buoyant Mood: A post-intercourse rise in endorphins can give you a fresh perspective on the annoyances of every day life: Go ahead, honk at me because I’m going too slow. Cut in front of me in the check-out line at the store. And let my kids scream at each other while they argue over who gets to sit in the front seat on the way to school. I. Don’t. Care. Thanks to a little early morning sunrise surprise, nothing is going to put me in a bad mood.


She looks prettier than normal: “During sex, your body undergoes a lot of changes,” says Bean Robinson, Ph.D., associate professor in the Program of Human Sexuality at the University of Minnesota Medical School. “The two main things that happen have to do with muscle tension and the increase of blood flow to all areas of your body.” A slightly flushed face indicates better health, higher estrogen levels—a hormone linked to perceived fertility in women—and attractiveness, reports a study from the University of St Andrews in the UK. All other things being equal, her flushed cheeks tell your brain she is more sexually attractive.


She feels Happier: Aside from offering a welcome distraction from a stressful work week, and the benefits that come with the natural physical exertions in the sack, research by the University of Colorado, Boulder, shows that frequency of sexual activity increases self-perception of happiness. The study, which surveyed more than 15,000 people, found that those who reported having sex two to three times a week were 55 percent more likely to report a higher level of happiness than respondents going through a several month dry-spell. Additionally, the research shows that we get even happier with our lives when we think we are having more sex than our peers. Competitive much?

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So do you guys have anymore clues? Especially those with "PHD" in woman matter

TrollinStone:
Poor but smart. If the person is so smart then the money will come before long. The rich dummy will most likely end up poor

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do you guys really agree with what he`s saying?

alobright17:
The same wife that can even fuckkkk another guy and still dash him money?Yes the money in dollar abeg.

Hahahahahahahaha... See honest answer abeg. Straight to the point.... Don`t mind all these pretenders here that even do it for free self

thatkindthing:
Op... Is it the Tecno L8 or the L8 plus? And how much u buy am?


@Topic... Mehnnnn that's a difficult decision to take o especially with this kinda economy...

I know some ppl that will do it for lesser amount self.

I just asked him. Its just the L8... Its even on NL I heard about L8+ some days ago.

According to him he bought it 30k though I've know someone who bought it for N29,500.

Abeg if u see the L8+ let me know o cos me too go rush am. I learnt its an upgrade of L8. Meaning e go be bad ass phone.. Battery fit reach 1wk e never die

Ikeja Electic Dist. Co no dey try at all.

Imagine them taking the light today that is Saturday one needs to rest at home and enjoy fan and watch film.

Well, since I was bored, I had no option than to "bully" my cousin so I can use his phone to browse the internet since his phone has better image quality and wider screen than mine. He uses a Tecno L8. I wasn`t bothered about the battery since I don confirm with my two eyes say the battery dey last die. Even as him never charge am for almost two days the battery no gree die (I didn`t use his MB o . I used mine and connected using hotspot tethering b4 una go say I dey wicked )


Well, back to the issue at hand.


I was on youtube when I stumbled on a "prank" video where a man approached one couple and requested to sleep with his wife for $1 million.

Like play like joke he open the suitcase and showed them the money.

At first they were looking at him with one kind "eye" but later to my greatest shock the man collected the money and the woman followed the new man for the "Knacking"... In My mind I was like POWER OF MONEY at work


I come dey think. can Nigerians do that?

What do you guys think?? Can you allow someone sleep with your wife/husband for N100 million? If No, what about $1 million??


P.S using condom or not is the decision of the person going to sleep with your spouse.

kesses:
guy if i be you i will go for the girl but i will tell my friends about it after all no be you call am. and guy stop saying that your Tecno Boom J8 is a small phone because it is not, 41k no be small money

bros that N41k na chicken change to some people. That`s not even up to what they spend per night in a club.

sureinfo:
Oga we're not talking of gadgets here o.. We're talking of foodstuffs...

Go into the market then you'll really appreciate gala sausage roll for sticking to their price..

Cc: lalasticlala come and see o.

We`re saying the same thing, okay?

other commodities in the market increased the prices instead Tecno brought down the price of Tecno W4 to N22,700... Isn`t that worthy of one to talk about it??

you self check am na.

tbliss22:
No mind Op, he has answers to his question already. He wants to empty his bucket of sperm under him.

Funny Op!!

lol... or he just wanted to hear what others would say.

Strawman:
You were expecting to see sexy female Nigerian officers?

Exactly... Why show us officers of other countries?

korel9:
Isn't that the more reason why wives should put up a selfdefence by giving romance for romance or even better?

Why you come dey call my name inside una discussion?

kennyman2000:
The price has even gone high sef. a friend said it sells for
44k now. checked konga and its 44k truly.

Like seriously The fear of Konga is the beginning of wisdom.

Youngpo413:
for self defense.

Hmmmm i`m sure you just feel like calling my name abi??

moonnstar:
are u sure?

yes I am very sure.

Maximum83:
see

Thanks very much for the pix update.

Cliveglobal1:
That's your Opinion. I'm still waiting to hear the Weight of the Phone. Metallic body plus a 5050mAH battery. If its Light then Tecno forever won My Heart.

Did you finally get your response??

topradar4:
You must be a careless person to prefer the metallic body lol. But this Phone is super cool.

OP please how much does it go?

that I prefer the metallic body doesn`t mean I`m careless.. Just that I like metallic things.

bejeria101:
You ancestors be nama! In what selfdefence? You are so lawless,you enter a mans property,damage his goods and you kill and call it selfdence? When they retaliate dnt complain o,otondo!

oHHH... make una no dey quote my name naaaaaaaa

iflywithbuhari:
You are here. Have you heard the latest. The Fulani's have come out to confess that they are responsible for the killings, but did so out of " SELFDEFENCE". Too bad, they came out to rubbish your piece of garbage you put down to salvage their reputation. They don't even want you.

Why are you calling my nME

djgrafiti:
Since when did Nokia torcchlight phones started browsing or using whatsapp? Hmmmm i need to get one of those....#Op can lie eh.

E concern you o.

hool:
no it works on android PC and bb as well unlimitedly

Oh really??

Thanks for the info.

Not only them o. Other sausage rolls too didn't

Even funny enough brands like Tecno reduced price especially with the W4 that has the specs of most smart phones but reduced price to less than 23k

I don't get the moral of the story.

A mad person on the lose... Run everybody

Smh vigorously for the op

Op spare us the lies.